Showing posts with label Stance. Show all posts
Showing posts with label Stance. Show all posts

Friday, November 10, 2017

John Styers By Carl Cestari

John Styers
By Carl Cestari


Most people have only been exposed to John Styers work through the book "Cold Steel".




It is important to remember that first and foremost this book outlines a BASIC course of close-combat instruction. The elements covered in this system include bayonet, knife, stick and unarmed combat. Styers developed this "system" for BASIC training.

The framework of all of these methods remains CONSISTENT through out. The fundamentals for employing the bayonet, knife, unarmed combat and even the stick work are ALL the same.

Note in particular the "stance" used for the bayonet, the knife, and for unarmed engagement. SAME stance. The "body" mechanics involved in all the methods presented are at their core foundation ALL similar. This in itself shows "genius".

What we see in "Cold Steel" is NOT the STYERS method! It is a "system" that STYERS developed for use in BASIC training. John Styers was a man of both great knowledge and SKILL in a number of man to man combatives.

Those who knew Styers personally have told us about his vast interest, knowledge and proven skill in a number of close-combat methods. From the "French" style of bayonet fighting, to "Russian" knife fighting, to boxing, wrestling, jiujitsu, and of course "dirty" fighting.

As concerns the STYERS knife work as shown in "Cold Steel" it must also be considered that this was but a SMALL part of Styers overall skill and ability in KNIFE FIGHTING. Again this was a system of BASIC TRAINING!

Other sources show this quite demonstrably. The man was a MASTER of bladework.

Now the knife sytem taught in "Cold Steel" is excellent. The "problems" that are often cited by others has FAR MORE to do with a lack of understanding in the tactics and techniques as "they" present them, than it does any practical faults in STYERS method.

ON TO THE METHOD.....................................

First, Styers was training men for battlefield COMBAT! NOT for a "duel". He assumed (rightly so) that in the so-called "fog" of war men will revert to pure "animal" instinct and move right in for the "kill". Think about this! During the frenzy of real combat you and your enemy are REDUCED to fighting with knives. Men are killing and being killed ALL AROUND YOU. YOUR natural instinct for SURVIVAL will seize you by the throat. You will grip that knife as strongly(your LIFE NOW depends on THIS ONE WEAPON) as possible and MOVE RIGHT IN FOR THE KILL!(WASTE ANY TIME and someone else is going to KILL YOU) You are NOT going to "spar" or "duel", you ARE going to KILL, survive and move on to your next threat or objective. Styers KNEW what real "kill or be killed" combat was like. He realized that MOST men in this dire situation will instinctively SEIZE their knife either in an "overhand" or "ice-pick" grip or an "underhanded" type "hammergrip". They will ATTACK with a determined KILLING intent. THAT IS THE BASIS for the Styers method!

Now the "elements" of Styers method rest on BODY position, ARM position, and KNIFE position.

Here is where so many "experts" go right OFF TRACK. Forget any "technique", thrust, slash or "whatever". WITHOUT the FOUNDATION of proper BODY, ARM, and KNIFE position all the "technique" in the world is MEANINGLESS!

Without a REAL understanding of Styers FUNDAMENTAL tactic and what MUST be done to make it EFFECTIVE, all THIS becomes NO MORE than two guys trying to cut and stab each other. THIS IS NOT what Styers envisioned.

On to the "meat & potatoes":



1. Stance-

Whether you assume the "Styers" position from a "classic" fencer's pose, as Styers demonstrates(for continuity) or simply advance(lead leg) retreat(real leg) one pace, as long as your UPPER torso remains square and you body rests "springlike" on your legs you're doing OK. BALANCE must be rested on your center point and the rear heel RAISED. Toes and KNEES pointed FORWARD!

KEY POINT: Body SQUARED. Torso ERECT. Chin PULLED IN. BALANCE centered. Rear HEEL RAISED.

2. Arm Position-

Gripping the KNIFE: Blade vertical to ground. Thumb EXTENDED down backstrap. Slight upward CANT or "cocking" of blade.

Weapon bearing hand and arm: Pulled IN. Upper arm slightly BACK from vertical. Elbow tucked into, not away from side. LOWER ARM raised on a plane EVEN with opponents THROAT/EYES. Weapon hand SHOULD NOT break the latreral plane of the upper torso! THIS IS KEY!

Offhand hand: Pulled in just like weapon bearing hand.

COMMON ERRORS:

Wrong foot placement.

Leanining over or into the opponent.

Chin/Head THRUST out.

WEAPON HAND EXTENDED and/or SPLAYED OUT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Read THAT AGAIN!

Knife LEVEL with ground and NOT POINTED at opponents EYES/THROAT!

Offhand SPLAYED out to side.

Now the WHY'S that make this method succeed or FAIL.

First, try this experiment(THIS IS SOMETHING YOU MUST DO). Don't even talk about this "method" if you HAVE NOT honestly followed this example:

Grab a REAL SHARP FIGHTING KNIFE. EXTEND IT at FULL arm's length with shoulder "twisted" in for added reach.

Tell your training partner to DISTANCE himself from the weapon to a RANGE where he feels at a combatively "SAFE" range. Have someone measure that distance.

PULL your weapon arm in to a 3/4 extension and repeat. Have someone measure that distance.

PULL in FURTHER to a half bent 90 degree position and repeat.

NOW pull the weapon back to the hip and do it all again.

COMPARE the measurements at each "distance". MOST people will REMAIN quite consistent in the ACTUAL "measured" distance of safety from tip of weapon. THEY will ALMOST always MOVE in as YOUR arm moves back, BUT the "measured" distance remains very close between ALL the given positions.

THAT is the KEY to Styers.

Extend your arm and knife all the way OUT. Your partner maintains that critical safety zone FROM the tip of your very real and sharp blade. COULD YOU cut or thrust him EASILY from that position? Not really. A committed BODY lunge or step is about all you could do to close the "gap". Too slow.

NOW-Pull that arm ALL the way in so that it barely breaks the lateral plane of the body. AGAIN, your training partner will have a DEFINITE tendency to MAINTAIN the measured distance of the safety zone, but HE will MOVE in. The actual measured distance between him and the tip will vary little. HIS safety zone is STILL his safety zone.

What HAS changed is your ABILITY to REACH HIM in the fastest most NON telegraphed manner.

FROM the PULLED IN arm position, SQUARED TORSO, and BALANCED stance you can execute the most rapid, cobra-like attacks or counter-attacks with a great amount of RANGE.

ANY position OTHER than this one, taken by your enemy WILL put him at a SERIOUS dis-advantage. He will almost ALWAYS be offering YOU something, whereas YOU will be offering NOTHING.

His range and speed will be effected by HIS position. Your range and speed will be ENHANCED by YOURS.

IMPORTANCE of BLADE POSITION: Keep that blade tip POINTED at the angle stated. WHY? At that angle it is MUCH more difficult for the opponent to gauge the size and length of your blade. May seem like a MINOR "point", but in a real KNIFE fight I'll USE anything that MAY give me an edge.

TECHNIQUE:

Thrust - front view

Thrust - side view



ALL you REALLY need is a thrust, a snap-slash (DO NOT use the back snap cut with this!), a "stop-hit", and the "hand-cut". The step over and stab is also useful.


In-Quartata

Passata -Sotto



If "In-Quartata and Passata-soto" are NOT comfortable for you, DON'T use them! Since BOTH of these moves are MEANT as "defensive" counter-attacks against an OVERLY committed assault they are NOT mandatory.

The FIVE moves stated above are MORE than enough. PRACTICE THEM moving forward, backward and flanking left and right. I personally DO NOT train the "back" snap cut on the "snap-slash" because I know of an incident in a real fight where the knife was dislodged from the grip on the "return" when the target reflexively pulled his shoulder up after taking the first slash across the right temple and eyes. This is the story I have heard so I won't comment further.

TARGETS: As far as "targets" go...............well the BEST real world advice I can offer is just GO for FLESH! If you see skin, GO FOR IT!

Fingers, hands, wrists, throat/neck and face. The "step over and stab" SHOULD be saved for the coup d' grace.

John Styer's influence was really BROUGHT to bear AFTER WWII. His methods were developed during the Korean War era, long after his discharge from the USMC.

AND........................His job as a FLAG salesman is what brought him into contact with military bases and servicemen ACROSS the country!

There are more anecdotes and more info but this is enough for now.

I always get a "kick" when guys dismiss different methods and/or ideas out of hand. Then when I ask them to "show me", they get the WHOLE d**n thing WRONG! Of course it looks like nuts. BECAUSE YOU"RE DOING IT LIKE nuts!

Ok, hope some of you got some useful insight.



Carl Cestari began his study of the martial arts with judo at the age of 7 under the direction of Yoshisada Yonezuka. During the past forty plus years Carl has dedicated his life to studying the martial arts, hand to hand combat systems, history and religion. What makes Carl unique is his combination of martial arts, law enforcement and military and real world experience. Carl has been exposed to a multitude of people with a wide variety experience. The following is a list of some of Carl’s ranks and honors:

Shinan (Founder) Tekkenryu jujutsu Ryokudan (6th degree) Koshinkai Karate under John Burrelle Godan (5th degree) Jujutsu under Clarke of the World Jujutsu Fedaration (now defunct) Sandan (3rd degree) Nippon Kempo under Narabu Sada Nidan (2nd degree) Judo under Masafumi Suzuki Shodan (1st degree) Judo under Yoshisada Yonezuka Shodan (1st degree) Shukokai Karate under Kimura, Kadachi and Yonezuka Shodan (1st degree) Daitoryu Aikijujutsu Instructors Certificate- Charles Nelson System of Self Defense under Charlie Nelson .






Stickgrappler's Note: IIRC, this piece was written by Carl Cestari on the old defunct SelfDefenseForums. Don't recall if the original post had pictures or not. I took the liberty to add pictures to Carl Cestari's text.



WORDCOUNT

(This section I will not add towards November's tally as well as the header picture I used above... I will only use hand-drawn pictures or animated GIFs I've created towards Nov's totals):

This post: 1,728 words
November running tally: 42,298 words
Words left:  7,702

Tuesday, October 31, 2017

Inktober Day #31: Craig Douglas' Pikal: Some points and stance



Today marks the last day of October and if you have been following along with me, that means it's also the last day of Inktober where artists draw a picture a day in October. I am not suggesting I'm an artist though. I used Inktober to practice my 'gesture drawing' skills as well as read/reread/research knifefighting. Why knifefighting? Learn how to use the knife in order to know how to defend against it.

Can you believe it? It seemed daunting at the onset, but lo and behold, here we are! For my Day #31 of Inktober picture, I'm focusing on Craig Douglas' Pikal expression.

Thank you all for your feedback and support as well as joining me in this project in my Sojourn of Septillion Steps!




In case you missed my other Inktober pictures on stance I've posted, please check out:



And in case you missed my other SouthNarc/Craig Douglas entries I've posted, please check out:




OK, now that the above 'housekeeping' is done ...

(Begin Big John McCarthy voice :-)

Are you ready?

LET'S GET IT ON!

(/voice)



From "An Expression of Pikal"
Craig Douglas aka "SouthNarc"
Pages 1-2


Points
  • "Pikal" - Visayan dialect; means "to rip"
  • "RGEI" - Reverse Grip Edge In... Edge facing body... thrust-heavy application
  • Angles are simply the common #1 and #2 strokes in Filipino Martial Arts regardless of whether it's a diagonal, horizontal, upwards or downwards
  • Objective:  Bull through adversary, thrusting like a sewing machine, rapid-fire and ballistic
  • Attributes that drive the system:
    • Footwork - allows one to close and hit
    • Power - drives blade and sink tip through flesh/clothing
    • Mechanics - hook and clear the interrupted thrust line

Stance
  • Weapon side forward
  • Point facing adversary
  • Unencumbered hand behind weapon
  • On balls of feet for quick zoning in and out of range
  • Keep everything compacted

Notes

  • Face obscured because at the time, SouthNarc was still an active duty undercover narcotics officer in the southern USA when he shared his expression of Pikal, hence, his nick of "SouthNarc"
  • Rear heel raised
  • RGEI - prior to Craig Douglas sharing his expression of Pikal, there were not many instructors publically teaching the RGEI... any time you look in a book or article prior to his teaching, anytime you saw reverse grip aka "icepick" - the edge was facing out and not INTO the body!
  • Humans are generally stronger pulling in than pushing out and with RGEI, a lot of damage can be caused on the pull-in
  • More on SouthNarc's Pikal in the near future.





My drawings for Inktober 2017 - drawing at least 1 pic each day in October:



Sunday, October 15, 2017

Inktober Day #15 - John Styers' On-Guard Stance



Wow! Outside of 2 days last weekend when I went to a Terry Trahan's Weaslecraft seminar that made me late with 2 daily pictures, I've been able to draw/post a picture a day. When I started this, I didn't think I would be consistent enough to produce a picture a day. Here we are at the half-way point of the month!

Today's picture is of John Styers' knifefighting guard stance. In case you missed my previous drawings of knifefighting stances:





NOTES
  • The Guard position. Left arm free. Knife arm drawn back.
  • Side view. Major portions of the body will not be extended into opponent's range.


"Tips
  1. Keep your feet at about a 90 degree angle.
  2. The blade is drawn in, close to the body, and held in an unbroken line from your elbow to the point.
  3. Shoulders face the opponent squarely.
  4. Torso and head are held erect.
  5. The arm on hip should swing free, but care must be taken to prevent it from extending beyond the hand which holds the knife.
  6. Your blade points directly at your opponent's throat. PRACTICE all the points of the proper stance until you can draw your blade on command of "On Guard!" and instantaneously snap into the perfect position without losing a second to make major adjustments.


PRACTICE all of the points of the proper stance until you draw your blade on command of "On Guard!" and instantaneously snap into the perfect position without losing a second to make major adjustments.

PRACTICE until ALL of the points in the ON GUARD position become coordinated into ONE natural movement.

ALL OF THE ATTACKS AND DEFENSES OF THE SKILLED KNIFE FIGHTER ORIGINATE FROM THIS GUARD POSITION."




My drawings for Inktober 2017 - drawing at least 1 pic each day in October:


Sunday, October 08, 2017

Inktober Day #8 - Michael Janich's/MBC's Knifefighting Stance







My 8th picture for Inktober is posted 2 days late :( Not easy to draw a picture a day it seems for me LOL




"Knifefighting:  A Practical Course" (1993) by Michael Janich
Pages 15-18

STANCE

  • Similar to boxing stance
  • Strong-side forward
  • Hands held lower
  • Use all of the body's weapons in conjunction with the knife
  • Feet shoulder-width apart
  • Turn both feet slightly to the left, bend knees, raise left heel
  • Tuck chin in slightly, raise right shoulder just a bit
KNIFE HAND

  • Positioned close to your body near the floating ribs

GUARD HAND

  • Left hand along the left side of neck
  • Back of hand and forearm faces opponent
  • By turning he back of the forearm out, it protects the blood vessels and flexor tendons on the inside of the forearm





My drawings for Inktober 2017 - drawing at least 1 pic each day in October:


NOTE:  Posted 10/10 as-of 10/8

Saturday, October 07, 2017

Inktober Day #7 - Richard Ryan's/DCM's Knifefighting Stance



7th day into October and a month-long event that artists join in to try to draw fast and get a drawing down for each day of October named "Inktober". I have a few comics geeks friends are talented in drawing and joining them to show support in their Inktober efforts.

I had the idea of trying to draw/sketch bodies in motions or poses better as I may be taking down fast notes during a martial arts class or seminar. Thanks to my Instagram friend Christopher D. I now know what I'm trying to accomplish is what in Art/Drawing is called "gesture drawing".

There are official themes/prompts for each day, but I've chose to ignore them mostly and concentrate on developing my gesture drawing skills and you all know me by now, right? My focus is on the Martial Arts and Self-Defense. I'm not a 'knife guy' but am a 'stick guy'. Impact tools are more my thang. However, lately 'knifefighting' has been on my mind and I'm researching/reading/re-reading/watching/re-watching books/dvds on knifework. And killing two birds with one stone, I'm drawing each day in October as well as researching knifefighting.

Thank you all kindly in joining me on my Sojourn of Septillion Steps (my gimmicky schtick/take on the cliched "Journey of a thousand miles" :)

OK, here we go! Truly hope this helps in your Sojourn!



DCM's KNIFEFIGHTING STANCE

Notes from "Master of the Blade" (1999)
by Richard Ryan/DCM (Dynamic Combat Method)
Pages 28-44


STANCE

  1. body balanced and neutral
  2. equal degree of both mobility and stability
  3. weight evenly distributed


CROUCH

  1. compresses the ribs
  2. diminishes target surface pulling lower abdomen out of reach of opponent

GUARD HAND

  1. in front of body
  2. humerus, ulna and radius ones of arm protect thorax and vital organs provides one final barrier before reaching vital targets of throat, heart and abdomen
  3. shield of bone covers the central line of your body 
  4. worst case - take cut to outside arm - unlikely to immobilize you - allows you to fight on temporarily


BLADE HAND

  1. at side and pointed at adversary
  2. at protected but effective position allowing instant access to offense and defense
  3. blade tucked in tight and almost invisible


DRIVE LEG

  1. use legs to resist and generate force through proper body position
  2. drive leg is placed one leg behind you as a brace aligning your feet more perpendicular to his position
  3. rear leg acts as a brace

CENTERLINE

  1. tactical positioning principle
  2. maintain a position of advantage by "tracking" opponent
  3. centerline is an imaginary line that connects you and your immediate adversary
  4. in combat, never let an opponent off centerline, as he would have an angle on your defensive position
  5. if he is off centerline, track him and reorient to reestablish centerline



My drawings for Inktober 2017 - drawing at least 1 pic each day in October:



Wednesday, October 04, 2017

Inktober Day #4 - Bob Kasper's/Kni-com's knifefighting stance


Continuing with the draw-at-least-once-a-day in the month of October, known as "Inktober", I drew a picture of Bob Kasper's knifefighting stance from "Bob Kapser's Tactical Knives" published in 2011. My goal is to develop a fast-draw type of skill for when I attend martial arts seminars or classes when I take some notes.

I also have started journalling.  Here are my notes on Bob Kasper's/Kni-com's knifefighting stance:



GUARD POSITION

  • Foundation upon which other combative knife skills are built
  • Mobility - Advance, Retreat, Pivot, Sway, Hollow
  • Vital Area Protection - "Vertical Shielding" with the "Complementary Hand"
  • Defend and counterattack against any line of attack
  • Knife-hand position - "Cocked-and-Locked" - retracts knifehand while positioning it to deliver various cuts, slashes and thrusts
  • Guard position gives illusion of distance yet remains within striking distance

REVIEW

  1. Take a natural step forward
  2. Square the torso
  3. Place complementary hand in the Vertical Shield
  4. Cock-and-Lock Knife hand
  5. Guard position is a well-balanced stance that's mobile, protective, and ready for defense and counterattack
  6. Practice drawing your knife and moving into the Guard from various positions such as sitting, squatting, bending, and walking until it's natural
From "Bob Kapser's Tactical Knives" by Bob Kasper (2011), pgs 27-32



My drawings for Inktober 2017 - drawing at least 1 pic each day in October:


Hope this helps you in your Sojourn of Septillion Steps!

Wednesday, December 11, 2013

Loren Christensen - No Stance as a Stance



No Stance as a Stance

by Loren Christensen

“Assume your fighting stance.”

Those four words can be found or heard in most instructional books, DVDs, and classrooms, whether the subject is empty-hands martial arts, knife fighting, or firearms. The assumption is that readers and students are going to form, with minor variations, a stance in which the hands are up, the feet are staggered, and the body is angled.

So is this position — let’s call it “the classic” — the only fighting stance?

Of course not, and I’m sure most fighters know this. The problem, though, is that the classic is most often the default training stance. But here is the irony: it’s the one position you’re least likely to assume in a real self-defense situation.

Based on the countless, violent street encounters I have witnessed, investigated, and participated in after nearly 30 years in law enforcement, the likelihood is that you’re going to begin your defense when you’re sitting, lying down, leaning against something, standing casually, kneeling on one knee, or walking.

Think about your typical day. Do you

  • stand or sit in a subway or bus?
  • lean your shoulder or back against something?
  • sit behind a desk at work or school?
  • sit or stand behind a machine in a manufacturing plant?
  • sit on a park bench?
  • sit in a coffee joint or bar?
  • wait for your significant other while seated in your car?
  • lie in the grass at the park??
  • walk to your front door with your arms loaded with packages?

In my experience as a witness, investigator, and a target, these are typical scenarios and positions in which people are beaten and robbed.

On those occasions when the victims were able to fight back, never once did they tell me, “Well, I assumed a fighting stance and began moving about in a sparring mode.” Instead, they defended themselves from whatever position they were in when their day suddenly took a 180-degree turn for the worse.

By the way, most of these victims lost and lost badly, partly because they were not trained fighters and partly because their positions at the moment of the attack put them at a significant disadvantage.

Sometimes an assailant will attack when the victim just happens to be in one of these positions. Other times, a smart assailant will deliberately attack when such vulnerability presents itself.

Your job is to train for any type of an attack from any position. Instead of assuming the classic on-guard stance, assume sitting in a chair, or kneeling on one knee as you tie your shoe, or scooting halfway out of your car. Train until such positions are no longer moments of weakness. In short, train until these less-than-desirable positions are fighting stances.

Oh, and work on blocking from these positions, too.

Loren was a military policeman in Saigon during the Vietnam War and retired from the Portland, Oregon, Police Department after more than two decades of service. He can be contacted through his website at www.lcwbooks.com.






NOTES:

My sincerest gratitude to Loren Christensen for his kind permission in reposting his article to my site.

For other Loren Christensen posts, please check out:



Monday, February 25, 2013

Bobbe Edmonds - Posture, Structure, Stance and Mobility



Introduction

    Motion is to Pencak Silat what Rooted stances are to Karate.

    Stance + Posture = Structure

    Structure + Footwork = Mobility

    Structure divided by Footwork = Mobility vs. Stability

    In the above equations I am using the following terms and definitions in a calculated formulae:
  1. Stance: The position and transition of all body elements from the waist down. This sometimes includes the spine.
  2.  Posture: Position and alignment of all body elements from the waist up. This always includes the spine.

  3.  Structure: The marriage of Stance and Posture to reflect the needs of the body’s defenses or attack at any given time. Structure is a fluid concept, it does not mean “Stance” or “Footwork”, it means the use of a variety of postures in Silat while maintaining balance in motion.

Stance


    Stance” in the accepted Martial Arts reference can be misleading when it comes to Pencak Silat. In the fundamental training of any Martial Art, a stance is noted as a means of sinking the body closer to the ground using the legs for support and stabilization. Now, we do that anyway, every day, just by walking. But a stance is more of an unmoving thing, and the word itself when in reference to Martial Arts usually invokes a kind of statuesque image, the practitioner in a deep-seated squat of some sort, tensing his body and rooting himself as much as possible. Although this is a correct definition, it’s not a really a true one.

    Balance is the heart of stancework, and any art worth its salt will show this early on. Pencak Silat is no different in this regard, only in the approach. In any art, there are essentially two applications of balance in Silat, and they both serve an important purpose:

  1. Balance in STILLNESS (Rooted stance, sinking/squatting with a wide base, almost no mobility at all)
  2. Balance in MOTION (Footwork, Body English, high mobility & ground coverage)

    Balance in stillness isn’t difficult to achieve, it only presents one option: Stand still and find your balance. You would have to be a pretty thick brick to not have some degree of mastery over this after a few months of training. Some arts specialize in this, the common rationale behind such training being that you must be able to stand there and absorb ANYTHING that is being hurled at you. Indeed, most arts advocate sinking deeper in whatever stance and rooting to the ground to appear “immoveable”. The fallacy with that sort of thinking is that it’s only one side of a two sided coin: Motion is just as important as static rooting, and a lack of one will force you to overcompensate with the other. Thus will begin a long confusing road of trying to force the fit of something into a situation where it doesn’t belong, a place where common sense should have just pointed to MOVING out of the way for a better vantage point.

    Balance in motion is the more difficult concept, it doesn’t have a permanent place of residence and therefore harder to nail down in specific terms and postures.

    You can observe the stance-posture-structure relationship in any martial art and discover how it supports the nuances of that particular style: Pencak Silat is mobile and fluid, so less time is spent in rooted positions. Karate is more rigid in terms of posture and stance, so its mobility lends itself to the rooted approach. Southern Chinese Kung Fu styles usually have a blend of the two, although it’s never a balanced one, the static sink/root method being the more dominant.

    To understand the unique use of stance in Kali and Pencak Silat, first look at the objective of these arts: Motion. Everything in the combat systems of the Archipelagos points to MOVING, not ROOTING. Think of stance like this: If you are constantly moving with an innate sense of balance and coordination, then your stance becomes just wherever you happen to be standing, in whatever position your legs/feet happen to be in. It’s not something you think about, or have to look down to make sure it’s there, if you train for it then it WILL be there. The first action in the feet should be to move, not root to the ground. You need to be able to find balance and stability in motion, moving from one point to another without achieving the rooted aspect of stance. If your first action is to sink and root, then you will have to bring your musculature back to the initial point of relaxation before you can move at all, and who has that kind of time in a fight? Mobility is necessary for entries, evasion and counters. Mobility allows you to adjust for sudden changes in tempo and rhythm of the fight, as well as drastic shifts in terrain, conditions, etc. Mobility promotes adaptability, and helps you maintain a feeling with your opponent at several angles at once. Rooting in stance/structure only applies in a force-against-force contest, something you should be striving to avoid.

    The rooting method is usually the first style of stancework trained, and therefore it’s the style that’s emphasized the longest in a practitioner’s life. It’s embedded in his mind, and he will always return to it because it was drilled in as a beginner. Because of this, progression is really the key when training stance. Most beginning students can’t tell their left from their right when they start training Martial Arts, and complex motor patterns will only confuse them. In this respect, focused stance training is fundamental because it teaches a slow step by step process of transitioning from one space to another in a specific manner. Without this training, the beginner will usually have a much rougher road to achieving flow in Silat. That being said, there should be a natural progression OUT of stancework and INTO footwork/Body English, a progression that should move with the momentum of the student’s learning curve. If you delay the transition into motion, then the student gets used to drilling in a static stance, and will have a knee-jerk impulse to “sink and root” in preparation of any conflict.

    The problem with this approach is that it encourages you to “sink into a stance” during times of stress in combat, and root when you should move. It is a static element brought into a dynamic atmosphere (fighting). In training different Martial Arts styles, I have discovered that the traditionalist is often taught that the right stance can counter anything, and by implication, if their stance is strong enough then they can withstand even the most brutal attacks. There is some merit to this, and it does have application…But it’s not really a strategy you can go to war with. A rooted stance of ANY sort only works in one direction at a time: The front, or whichever way you are facing/direction you are going, and it will assuredly stack the deck against you in a fight because you will feel encouraged to either stand in the path of danger and “absorb it” as if you were a tree, or meet the attacking force head-on. This is not a very prudent strategy, especially if your opponent is faster or stronger than you, and it will cause you to make poor decisions in combat because you chose a poor position to begin with, and will constantly be playing “catch up” to your opponent’s lead.

    Also, if you were successful in the initial clash and you did manage to deflect the incoming barrage, you will likely have every muscle and joint locked down, with the muscle mass so dense and rigid it can hardly move at all. You will be inhibited from responding to any openings quickly, nor will you be able to recover or change positions with any real speed, you must unclench your body first. Once you activate density in your body during combat stress, you will find it difficult (if not impossible) to regain mobility and relaxation needed for fluidity, because you have an innate momentum built up in favor of tension over relaxed, dynamic motion. Again, you will return to your first principles, the thing you were taught at the beginning, only it will be working against you even if you are doing it right.

    It may seem as if I am campaigning against the rooted stance approach. Actually, it’s a necessary element, and it does have its uses…But they are far more limited than the use of mobility, and it doesn’t lend itself to fluidity very easily. For this reason you must have a firm grasp of the uses and disadvantages of each.

    There is much written about the mathematical and mechanical elements of stance, many calculations, diagrams and equations laid out to give the appearance of something more meaningful than simply “balance in motion”. In a motion-based martial art, this idea is fundamentally wrong, and it’s a mistake to pursue some algebraic formulae hidden within horse stance, except maybe as an academic exercise. Not that the math itself won’t add up, it will. In fact, if you try hard enough you will discover several different formulae for each stance you know. However, the focus will always be on finding that math in the first place, looking for geometrical patterns in every stance instead of looking for the fluidity OUT of stance.


Posture


    Next on the list: Posture.

    By posture, let me say right off the bat that I am not speaking of “proper bone alignment” or “correct shoulder-spinal placement” like what you get from etiquette class. This isn’t the kind of straight-backed walking posture, but how you position your upper body in relationship with two separate points: Your feet & your opponent. Your posture will reflect your ability to move, defend or attack, depending on how you position yourself against an opponent.


Structure


    Structure is the final element, and it’s last for a reason: You will have to master Stance and Posture to get to Structure, because it’s a combined element of the first two. Structure deals with our body’s trained and natural defenses, and how we find balance while using them in motion. But the definition of structure isn’t “Stagnant”. There are degrees of stability, and you have to decide what you need more of at the appropriate moment: Rooted, unmovable structure or a fluid, less stable one. There are times for sinking down and absorbing everything coming at you, and times to get the hell out of the way.

    Moving allows you to negate an attack when “structure” cannot withstand the force. If you do not know or train for this, then you will not be prepared for it when it hits, nor will you be able to recognize when the opponent is doing it to you. If you train for balance in motion, you will not be confused. Your hands and feet will seem to move almost on their own, and your attention will be focused on the attacker, not how good your stance is. Balance is something you FEEL, not SEE.

    When it comes to the Filipino and Indo-Malay martial arts, the name of the game is BALANCE IN MOTION. We don’t simply lurch in one direction and pray to God that we have balance when we arrive. The recognition and capitalization of an opening in your opponent’s defenses will only occur if one or more of you is in motion, usually responding to the other’s motion. To pull this off under combat stress conditions, you must be comfortable and confident in your abilities to flow with balance.

    If an opponent is simply standing there with his guard up, why attack? You will need to move to a better position, or change your strategy. Also, motion is critical in countering your opponent mentally. Standing still is a mistake, because it allows your opponent to draw a clear bead on you, plot his attack, and gain the advantage of ground and the ability to adjust for his surroundings, as well as any tactical advantages to be had. Movement makes planning difficult for your opponent and allows you to stack the odds in your favor by choosing the setting & pace of the fight.

    Rooting also doesn’t address what to do if the attacker decides to use a feint & you are caught by it. The purpose of feinting in the first place is to lure your opponent into over-committing to an attack that was never going to the evident target in the first place, a tactic designed specifically for targeting rooted structure. Mobility will save you, but structure bets the farm on a single roll of the dice. You better be able to fight perfectly every time, because that’s what you are training for. And nobody ever fights perfectly, something always goes wrong.

    In the end, you have to have a mastery of all four elements. Then you can decide for yourself what tool is most prudent for your situation, mobility vs. stability, strength vs. speed, footwork/Body English vs. stance.







NOTES

My deepest gratitude to Bobbe Edmonds for his kind permission in allowing me to repost his article.

Photo Credit:  Bobbe Edmonds

You can contact Bobbe Edmonds via Facebook or his blog Thick as Thieves and last but not least, please check out his YouTube Channel.

Thursday, December 05, 2002

Terminology and Stance thread started by lefthooker


NOTE: I had this thread archived to my 2nd Tripod site ages ago. Tripod took down my second archives. In time, I will be adding to this blog some of the info that was up there. My thanks to someholdsbarred and waise pairasta for their help.

----------------------------------------------------------------------------------
From: lefthooker
Date: 18-Nov-02 10:41 AM

Terminology and Stance

Terms of Direction, Forward, Backward, Outside and Inside.

In teaching my system of boxing the direction of the different punches and moves are very important. Forward and backward are self explanatory. I do not use the terms left or right as it relates to direction. It is easier to use the terms OUTSIDE and INSIDE to determine and refer to lateral direction. These moves can be employed by either the right-handed or the left handed boxer.

Lateral movement is started from the center of the body. For the right handed boxer movement to his left (toward his jab) is referred to as movement to the OUTSIDE. Movement that starts to his right (toward his power hand) is referred to as movement to the INSIDE. For the left handed fighter the terms remain the same. Any move that starts towards his jab hand is to the OUTSIDE and any move towards his power hand is going to his INSIDE.

Proper On Guard (Stance) position. The proper stance is very critical. All offense, defense and movement must come from a balanced and relaxed stance. There are many different stances depending on the preference of the of the trainer and the boxer. Some stances are very square with almost the entire body with the shoulders and hips in a straight line and both feet in a straight line. Others are slanted at an angle with the rear shoulder almost hidden. Some boxers have a severe parallel stance showing very little of their body with their feet at a right angle to their head.

The directions for the stance that I use in my system will be described for the right handed boxer. For the left handed boxer the stance is the same just reverse the directions.

  1. Place your left foot directly in front of your left shoulder.
  2. Place your right foot under your right shoulder, step back with your right foot about 18 inches and turn your right foot to approximately a 45 degree angle. There should be a slight angle with the back shoulder directly over the right foot.
  3. You should be in a comfortable stance, bend both knees slightly and sit slightly, dropping down an inch or two. Raise your right heal so that you are resting on your entire left foot and the front half of your right foot. You should feel a bit "springy" and loose, not at all tight.
  4. Tuck your chin into the center of your chest so that you can see forward with the tops your eyes. All you need is a very narrow focus. You should focus your gaze on your opponents shoulders, you want to see any hint of movement.
  5. With your elbows close to your body, turn your hands and palms forward with the fingers open, do not make a fist. Keeping your hands in a tight fist will only tire your hands and arms and make them react slowly.
  6. The left hand should be over the left foot.
  7. The right hand should be just in front of right ear. There should be about a 6 inch open area between your hands.

----------------------------------------------------------------------------------
From: lefthooker
Date: 18-Nov-02 10:42 AM

Because of the different physical and individual characteristics of each person the stance can be modified to fit the boxer. The spread between the legs can be adjusted but you should have good balance, the rear leg should too far or close together. A good way to check your stance is to see if you can sit down and make a "U" by moving up and down from one leg to the other and back again. If you can your stance should be corre

----------------------------------------------------------------------------------
From: Stickgrappler
Date: 18-Nov-02 11:15 AM

this is from your booklet or your coach's booklet, right? i vaguely recall you mentioning this.

cool!

----------------------------------------------------------------------------------
From: lefthooker
Date: 18-Nov-02 11:16 AM

Yes this is from the boxing manual that we created. Once we meet up we're going to make a video as well.

----------------------------------------------------------------------------------
From: martinburke
Date: 18-Nov-02 04:05 PM

MORE,DAMMIT!!!!:)

----------------------------------------------------------------------------------
From: Nikto
Date: 19-Nov-02 05:13 AM

Lefthooker, are you a trainer?

Any info on the left hook? :)

----------------------------------------------------------------------------------
From: lefthooker
Date: 19-Nov-02 06:09 AM


No I am just an aspiring boxer. I'll post something on the left hook later.
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------
From: wanderer
Date: 19-Nov-02 10:24 AM

Awesome post. Threads like these are so much more interesting than "Roy Jones sucks ass" or "So-and so is the best". This kind of thread is why I keep coming back to this forum.

----------------------------------------------------------------------------------
From: JoeyCrawford
Date: 19-Nov-02 11:14 PM

Well, I was going to make a whole new thread but you sound like a good guy to ask about this: I'm about 6'3" or 6'4" and anywhere from 175-185, so I'm taller but less powerful than most guys I fight. So should I still only squat slightly to take advantage of my height or should I "sit down" in my stance more to even out the power part? Here's a quote to take into consideration:

"An advantage is only an advantage if you take advantage of it."
- Dikembe Mutombo

----------------------------------------------------------------------------------
From: TOMMYDAPIT
Date: 20-Nov-02 12:06 AM

thats a good question crawford, me id use my size and reach, did you see the morales/barrera 2, if you did you see how morales is trying to stand tall and use his reach, i dont like the stand straight up style,id stand tall and use my size and reach like lennox does also

----------------------------------------------------------------------------------
From: lefthooker
Date: 20-Nov-02 07:36 AM

I'd stand tall, but still have a little bend in your knees of course.

----------------------------------------------------------------------------------
From: wanderer
Date: 20-Nov-02 09:14 AM


What if it's the opposite? Me, I'm about 5'8" and around 156-158 lbs. I'm actually shorter than most guys in that weight class. Many guys are going to have height and reach on me. Should I do the opposite thing that Joey should do, and get even lower into a crouch?

I remember someone saying"If you have a tall guy, make him fight tall, and if you have a short guy, make him shorter." Something like that.

Thanks.

----------------------------------------------------------------------------------
From: lefthooker
Date: 20-Nov-02 11:43 AM


you don't have to be in a crouch, no need to make yourself smaller than yoiu alrerady are, just fine the right level of stance for yourself and work from there.

----------------------------------------------------------------------------------
From: martinburke
Date: 20-Nov-02 01:27 PM

I'm with them,Joey.Fight tall.Make the other guy reach for you-that'll make your punches that much more effective.

"Sitting down" all the time ends up being more like "setting your feet";you'll end up trading more.

Why give up your strength to play into theirs?

The only time you may need to make yourself smaller is if you find yourself moving straight back.Close yourself up for that split second(at least you hope)before you come to your senses and circle out of there..
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------
From: jcruz
Date: 20-Nov-02 02:05 PM

good stuff, indeed, lefthooker. sounds alot like my instructor and what i get in class. reading this post and the reactions certainly re-enforces the fact that i'm getting excellent training.

thanks again.

----------------------------------------------------------------------------------
From: tacticalfighter
Date: 21-Nov-02 12:42 PM
Edited:21-Nov-02 01:07 PM

Crawford,

I am 6'2 and 195-200 (up from 185-190 last year), I too share the same concern, some of my sparring partners are stronger 215, or 230 lbs. Luckily, since I am leaner, and happen to be faster and lighter on my feet. Develope your punching speed by relaxing, working lots of reps on the bags, shadowboxing combinations fast and light. Get back to basics, work one round just jabbing, one crossing, etc. Speed and endurance work well for me. And don't get me wrong the guys say I am a hard hitter( anyone using good mechanics and weighing over 150lbs can hit hard-if you weigh 185 to 200 thats harder yet) But developing the good attributes you have now will be easier than developing new attributes. Same goes with skill acquisition-polishing what you have is faster than learning new skills. (Though you should also work on your weaknesses too, but you may find encouragement from some nice quick improvements!)

And work on your foot work by jump roping. I don't know how much you rope, but I try to do 3-5 rounds each training day as my warm up. I skip stationary for 1 round, then I skip forward and backwards, and hop side to side with both feet for a couple rounds. Single leg skipping adds variety too, but wears you out quicker. Also spend a few rounds just working foot work. Step and slide, slide and step, shuffle, pivot circling one way then the other. On Sunday, one of my conditioning days, I will work 3-5 rounds of foot work with a rubber strength bands looped to the wall with a heavy duty eye bolt and to my weight belt by the handles. I then work foot work drills a round with resistance facing forward away from the wall, the next round facing the wall. Damn good workout!

Ray

www.absolutejkd.com


----------------------------------------------------------------------------------

NOTE: posted to the Underground's Boxing forum..




Originally posted to this site on Dec 22, 2008 - edited today Nov 27, 2013 to mirror my old site's posting of Dec 5, 2002. Copied from http://stickgrappler2.tripod.com/ug/lhstance.html.

ShareThis

 
back to top
Stickgrappler's Sojourn of Septillion Steps