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From : IP Robot 2:5093/4.126 18 Dec 01 02:04:09
To : All
Subj : News at ftp://ftp.elf.stuba.sk/pub/pc/pack/
ftp://ftp.elf.stuba.sk/pub/pc/pack/pcr158d.zip
PNGCRUSH v1.5.8 - PNG files packer (executable) (151,240 bytes)
ftp://ftp.elf.stuba.sk/pub/pc/pack/pcr158s.zip
PNGCRUSH v1.5.8 - PNG files packer (source code) (334,789 bytes)
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From : Bulat Ziganshin 2:5093/4.126 18 Dec 01 11:44:21
To : Sasha Breger
Subj : ÷åì ëó÷øå âñåãî ñæèìàòü ôàéëû ñ 4-6 áèòíûì àëôàâèòîì
* Originally in RU.COMPRESS
Ïðèÿòíîãî òåáå äíÿ è íåçàáûâàåìîé íî÷è, Sasha!
Saturday December 15 2001, Sasha Breger writes to All:
SB> Ñàáæ? Êàêèìè àëãîðèòìàìè ýôôåêòèâíåé? Îñîáåííî ïðè íå î÷åíü áîëüøèõ
SB> ôàéëàõ.
SB> PS MTF ïîäîéä¸ò?
åù¸ lzh è ari
Bulat, mailto:bulatzATfort.tatarstan.ru, ICQ 15872722
... Èíîãäà äëÿ òîãî, ÷òîáû èçìåíèòü ñâîå âîñïðèÿòèå ìèðà,
... ëþäè ïûòàþòñÿ èçìåíèòü ñàì ìèð
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From : Vlad Vork 2:450/102.2 18 Dec 01 23:01:18
To : All
Subj : Øêàpèíà íå âèäàëè?
Çäpàâñòâyéòå
Èçâèíÿþñü çà âîçìîæíûé îôòîïèê, íî íå çíàåò ëè êòî-íèáyäü èç çäåñü
ïpèñyòñòâyþùèõ, êàê ìîæíî çàäàòü ïàpy âîïpîñîâ Äìèòpèþ Øêàpèíy - àâòîpy BMF.exe
è PPMd.åõå ?
ß ïèñàë åìy íà åìåéëû, êîòîpûå ñìîã íàéòè â Ñåòè - íà @arstel.ru è @mtu-net.ru
íî îòâåòà íå ïîëy÷èë.
Ïîäñêàæèòå ïîæàëyéñòà. Çàpàíåå áëàãîäàpåí.
Vlad.
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From : Maxim Smirnov 2:5020/400 19 Dec 01 09:19:48
To : Bulat Ziganshin
Subj : ÷åì ëó÷øå âñåãî ñæèìàòü ôàéëû ñ 4-6 áèòíûì àëôàâèòîì
From: "Maxim Smirnov" <model@iac.spb.ru>
Tue Dec 18 2001 11:44, Bulat Ziganshin wrote to Sasha Breger:
BZ> * Originally in RU.COMPRESS
BZ> Ïðèÿòíîãî òåáå äíÿ è íåçàáûâàåìîé íî÷è, Sasha!
BZ> Saturday December 15 2001, Sasha Breger writes to All:
SB>> Ñàáæ? Êàêèìè àëãîðèòìàìè ýôôåêòèâíåé? Îñîáåííî ïðè íå î÷åíü áîëüøèõ
SB>> ôàéëàõ.
SB>> PS MTF ïîäîéä¸ò?
BZ> åù¸ lzh è ari
à åùå õàôôìàí, øåííîí ñ ïðèìêíóâøèì ôàíî, universal codes,
enumerative coding...
Âîîáùå, ïîäíèìàÿñü íà âåðøèíû àáñòðàêöèè, îòìåòèì ñëåäóþùåå:
ïîäõîäèò ëþáàÿ êîäîâàÿ êíèãà fixed-fixed, fixed-var, var-fixed,
var-var.
:-)
Óâàæàåìûé Ñàøà!
×òî òàêîå "ýôôåêòèâíåå"?
Êàêîâû âåðîÿòíîñòíûå õàðàêòåðèñòèêè ôàéëîâ?
Maxim
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From : Sasha Breger 2:5066/70.64 19 Dec 01 16:15:28
To : Maxim Smirnov
Subj : ÷åì ëó÷øå âñåãî ñæèìàòü ôàéëû ñ 4-6 áèòíûì àëôàâèòîì
Ïðèâåò, Maxim.
Wednesday December 19 2001 09:19, Maxim Smirnov ïèñàë Bulat Ziganshin:
SB>>> Ñàáæ? Êàêèìè àëãîðèòìàìè ýôôåêòèâíåé? Îñîáåííî ïðè íå î÷åíü
SB>>> áîëüøèõ ôàéëàõ.
SB>>> PS MTF ïîäîéä¸ò?
BZ>> åù¸ lzh è ari
MS> à åùå õàôôìàí, øåííîí ñ ïðèìêíóâøèì ôàíî, universal codes,
MS> enumerative coding...
MS> Âîîáùå, ïîäíèìàÿñü íà âåðøèíû àáñòðàêöèè, îòìåòèì ñëåäóþùåå:
MS> ïîäõîäèò ëþáàÿ êîäîâàÿ êíèãà fixed-fixed, fixed-var, var-fixed,
MS> var-var.
MS> :-)
MS> Óâàæàåìûé Ñàøà!
MS> ×òî òàêîå "ýôôåêòèâíåå"?
×òîá ìåëêèå "ôàéëû" ñæèìàëèñü âî ÷òî-íèáóäü åù¸ áîëåå ìåëêîå... ;)
MS> Êàêîâû âåðîÿòíîñòíûå õàðàêòåðèñòèêè ôàéëîâ?
À ýòî ÷òî?
Sasha
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From : Dmitry Shkarin 2:5020/400 19 Dec 01 17:20:28
To : Vlad Vork
Subj : Re: Øêàpèíà íå âèäàëè?
From: "Dmitry Shkarin" <dmitry.shkarin@mtu-net.ru>
Håà, ðàçâå ÷òî â çåðêàëå, è òî, ðîæà êàêàÿ-òî îïóõøàÿ - âèäàòü íå îí...
;-)
Hi, Vlad!
> Èçâèíÿþñü çà âîçìîæíûé îôòîïèê, íî íå çíàåò ëè êòî-íèáyäü èç çäåñü
> ïpèñyòñòâyþùèõ, êàê ìîæíî çàäàòü ïàpy âîïpîñîâ Äìèòpèþ Øêàpèíy - àâòîpy
BMF.exe
> è PPMd.åõå ?
Òàê ïðÿì è çàäàâàé ;-).
> ß ïèñàë åìy íà åìåéëû, êîòîpûå ñìîã íàéòè â Ñåòè - íà @arstel.ru è
@mtu-net.ru
> íî îòâåòà íå ïîëy÷èë.
@arstel.ru äåéñòâèòåëüíî â äàóíå, à @mtu-net.ru ðàáîòàåò.
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From : Alan Long 2:5030/1082.72 19 Dec 01 23:27:37
To : All
Subj : gzip äëÿ win32, íî íå ïðîñòîé ;-)
* Created: at Tue, 20-Dec-2001 00:33 by Alan Long using timEd 1.10+.
Hello All!
Hàâåðíîå íå áóäåò îôòîïèêîì çäåñü ìîé âîïðîñ:
Õîòåëîñü-áû gzip ïîä win32, íî íå ïðîñòîé, òî åñòü íå command-line, à ñ íåêèì è
íòåëåêòîì, òî åñòü åñëè åñòü ôàéë file.doc.gz, òî êîãäà ÿ äåëàþ start file.doc.
gz, òî ôàéë ñíà÷àëà ðàñïàêîâûâàåòñÿ è ïåðåäàåòñÿ winword-ó èëè òîìó ïðèëîæåíèþ
êîòîðîå àñîöèèðîâàíî ñ .doc Õîòåëîñü-áû ÷òî-áû gzip ýòî äåëàë ìîë÷à è áåç èçëèø
íèõ âîïðîñîâ, òî åñòü ïðîçðà÷íî äëÿ ïîëüçîâàòåëÿ.
Òàê-æå ïðèâåòñòâóåòñÿ âñòðàèâàíèå â windows ShellExt, òî åñòü ÷òî-áû ïðè íàæàòè
è ïðàâîé êíîïêè ìûøè ïîÿâëÿëèñü ïóíêòû gzip èëè gunzip.
÷òî-áû áûëî freeware èëè ÷òî-òî òèïà òîãî, ëîìàòü è ïîêóïàòü æåëàíèÿ íåòó ;-)
èç òîãî, ÷òî ÿ âèäåë:
- winzip: ñëèøêîì ìíîãî ÷åãî óìååò, è ñëèøêîì ìíîãî âîïðîñòîâ çàäàåò
- wingzip: íå óìååò çàïóñêàòü àññîöèèðîâàííûé ôàéë ïîñëå èçâëå÷åíèÿ
- winrar: ñì. winzip
Çàðàíåå áëàãîäàåðí çà îòâåò.
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From : Vadim Vygovsky 2:5022/5.41 20 Dec 01 01:03:15
To : Alan Long
Subj : gzip äëÿ win32, íî íå ïðîñòîé ;-)
Hello, Alan!
Ñðåäà Äåêàáðü 19 2001 23:27, Alan Long wrote to All:
AL> Õîòåëîñü-áû gzip ïîä win32, íî íå ïðîñòîé, òî åñòü íå command-line, à
AL> ñ íåêèì èíòåëåêòîì, òî åñòü åñëè åñòü ôàéë file.doc.gz, òî êîãäà ÿ
AL> äåëàþ start file.doc.gz, òî ôàéë ñíà÷àëà ðàñïàêîâûâàåòñÿ è ïåðåäàåòñÿ
AL> winword-ó èëè òîìó ïðèëîæåíèþ êîòîðîå àñîöèèðîâàíî ñ .doc Õîòåëîñü-áû
AL> ÷òî-áû gzip ýòî äåëàë ìîë÷à è áåç èçëèøíèõ âîïðîñîâ, òî åñòü ïðîçðà÷íî
AL> äëÿ ïîëüçîâàòåëÿ.
Windows Commander. Âîïðîñ, ïðàâäà, áóäåò, íî îäèí.
AL> Òàê-æå ïðèâåòñòâóåòñÿ âñòðàèâàíèå â windows ShellExt, òî åñòü ÷òî-áû
AL> ïðè íàæàòèè ïðàâîé êíîïêè ìûøè ïîÿâëÿëèñü ïóíêòû gzip èëè gunzip.
7-zip. Ïî÷òè òàê.
AL> ÷òî-áû áûëî freeware èëè ÷òî-òî òèïà òîãî, ëîìàòü è ïîêóïàòü æåëàíèÿ
AL> íåòó ;-)
WBR, Vadim
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From : IP Robot 2:5093/4.126 20 Dec 01 02:04:53
To : All
Subj : News at ftp://ftp.elf.stuba.sk/pub/pc/pack/
ftp://ftp.elf.stuba.sk/pub/pc/pack/cab2001c.zip
Microlog Cabinet Manager 2001c for Win9x/NT - Compression tool for .cab files (
1,090,790 bytes)
ftp://ftp.elf.stuba.sk/pub/pc/pack/csfv133.rar
cSFV v1.33 - Util for CRC32 value calculation and checking (245,551 bytes)
ftp://ftp.elf.stuba.sk/pub/pc/pack/htmllzw.zip
HTML LZW Compression for Win9x/NT/2000 (969,910 bytes)
ftp://ftp.elf.stuba.sk/pub/pc/pack/sfark_20.zip
sfArk v2.15 - SF2 and SBK soundbank files compressor for Win32 (518,120 bytes)
ftp://ftp.elf.stuba.sk/pub/pc/pack/wrar29br.exe
RAR v2.90 for Windows (32-bit) - Brazilian Portuguese Edition (774,202 bytes)
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From : Bulat Ziganshin 2:5093/4.126 20 Dec 01 19:17:33
To : Sasha Breger
Subj : ÷åì ëó÷øå âñåãî ñæèìàòü ôàéëû ñ 4-6 áèòíûì àëôàâèòîì
* Originally in RU.COMPRESS
Ïðèÿòíîãî òåáå äíÿ è íåçàáûâàåìîé íî÷è, Sasha!
Wednesday December 19 2001, Sasha Breger writes to Maxim Smirnov:
SB>>>> Ñàáæ? Êàêèìè àëãîðèòìàìè ýôôåêòèâíåé? Îñîáåííî ïðè íå î÷åíü
MS>> Êàêîâû âåðîÿòíîñòíûå õàðàêòåðèñòèêè ôàéëîâ?
SB> À ýòî ÷òî?
âîò è ïîîáùàëèñü :)))
Bulat, mailto:bulatzATfort.tatarstan.ru, ICQ 15872722
... Èíîãäà äëÿ òîãî, ÷òîáû èçìåíèòü ñâîå âîñïðèÿòèå ìèðà,
... ëþäè ïûòàþòñÿ èçìåíèòü ñàì ìèð
--- GoldED+/W32 1.1.2
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— RU.COMPRESS
From : IP Robot 2:5093/4.126 20 Dec 01 22:49:55
To : All
Subj : News at ftp://ftp.elf.stuba.sk/pub/pc/pack/
ftp://ftp.elf.stuba.sk/pub/pc/pack/chilkatz.zip
Chilkat Zip ActiveX Control v5.0 for Win9x/Me/NT/2000/XP (1,058,217 bytes)
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From : Alan Long 2:5030/1082.72 21 Dec 01 00:22:13
To : Vadim Vygovsky
Subj : gzip äëÿ win32, íî íå ïðîñòîé ;-)
* Reply to a message
* Originally from Vadim Vygovsky (2:5022/5.41) to Alan Long.
AL> Õîòåëîñü-áû gzip ïîä win32, íî íå ïðîñòîé, òî åñòü íå command-line, à
AL> ñ íåêèì èíòåëåêòîì, òî åñòü åñëè åñòü ôàéë file.doc.gz, òî êîãäà ÿ
AL> äåëàþ start file.doc.gz, òî ôàéë ñíà÷àëà ðàñïàêîâûâàåòñÿ è ïåðåäàåòñÿ
AL> winword-ó èëè òîìó ïðèëîæåíèþ êîòîðîå àñîöèèðîâàíî ñ .doc Õîòåëîñü-áû
AL> ÷òî-áû gzip ýòî äåëàë ìîë÷à è áåç èçëèøíèõ âîïðîñîâ, òî åñòü ïðîçðà÷íî
AL> äëÿ ïîëüçîâàòåëÿ.
VV> Windows Commander. Âîïðîñ, ïðàâäà, áóäåò, íî îäèí.
Hå ñîâñåì, òî ÷òî-áû õîòåëîñü-áû...
Õîòåëîñü-áû ÷òî-áû ýòî ðàáîòàëî ýòàæîì âûøå (åñëè òàê ìîæíî ñêàçàòü), òî åñòü å
ñëè â êàêîì-íèáóäü Outlook Express-å ÿ äàáëêëèêíó íà ôàéë-àòòà÷ .doc.gz, ÷òî-áû
çàïóñòèëñÿ-áû Word... Hó è òî-æå ñàìîå â ñëó÷àå êëèêàíèÿ íà ôàéë â îáû÷íûõ ïàï
êàõ âèíäîâñ...
AL> Òàê-æå ïðèâåòñòâóåòñÿ âñòðàèâàíèå â windows ShellExt, òî åñòü ÷òî-áû
AL> ïðè íàæàòèè ïðàâîé êíîïêè ìûøè ïîÿâëÿëèñü ïóíêòû gzip èëè gunzip.
VV> 7-zip. Ïî÷òè òàê.
Ok. Áóäó èñêàòü, áóäó ñìîòðåòü.
Áîëüøîå ñïàñèáî.
VV> WBR, Vadim
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From : Paul Konev 2:463/1124.977 21 Dec 01 11:06:00
To : Alan Long
Subj : gzip äëÿ win32, íî íå ïðîñòîé ;-)
Ïðèâåò Alan!
19 Dec 01 23:27, Alan Long -> All:
AL> Õîòåëîñü-áû gzip ïîä win32, íî íå ïðîñòîé, òî åñòü íå command-line, à ñ
AL> íåêèì èíòåëåêòîì, òî åñòü åñëè åñòü ôàéë file.doc.gz, òî êîãäà ÿ äåëàþ
AL> start file.doc.gz, òî ôàéë ñíà÷àëà ðàñïàêîâûâàåòñÿ è ïåðåäàåòñÿ
AL> winword-ó èëè òîìó ïðèëîæåíèþ êîòîðîå àñîöèèðîâàíî ñ .doc Õîòåëîñü-áû
AL> ÷òî-áû gzip ýòî äåëàë ìîë÷à è áåç èçëèøíèõ âîïðîñîâ, òî åñòü ïðîçðà÷íî
AL> äëÿ ïîëüçîâàòåëÿ.
AL> Òàê-æå ïðèâåòñòâóåòñÿ âñòðàèâàíèå â windows ShellExt, òî åñòü ÷òî-áû ïðè
AL> íàæàòèè ïðàâîé êíîïêè ìûøè ïîÿâëÿëèñü ïóíêòû gzip èëè gunzip.
AL> ÷òî-áû áûëî freeware èëè ÷òî-òî òèïà òîãî, ëîìàòü è ïîêóïàòü æåëàíèÿ
AL> íåòó ;-)
AL> èç òîãî, ÷òî ÿ âèäåë:
AL> - winzip: ñëèøêîì ìíîãî ÷åãî óìååò, è ñëèøêîì ìíîãî âîïðîñòîâ çàäàåò
AL> - wingzip: íå óìååò çàïóñêàòü àññîöèèðîâàííûé ôàéë ïîñëå èçâëå÷åíèÿ
AL> - winrar: ñì. winzip
Îäíîçíà÷íî 7-zip.
www.7-zip.org
Îí, êñòàòè, âîîáùå êðóòî æì¸ò (åñëè þçàòü åãî 7z ôîðìàò
èëè PPMD). ×àñòåíüêî ó ACE âûèãðûâàåò.
Paul
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From : Maxim Smirnov 2:5020/400 21 Dec 01 11:29:21
To : Sasha Breger
Subj : ÷åì ëó÷øå âñåãî ñæèìàòü ôàéëû ñ 4-6 áèòíûì àëôàâèòîì
From: "Maxim Smirnov" <model@iac.spb.ru>
Wed Dec 19 2001 16:15, Sasha Breger wrote to Maxim Smirnov:
SB>>>> Ñàáæ? Êàêèìè àëãîðèòìàìè ýôôåêòèâíåé? Îñîáåííî ïðè íå î÷åíü
SB>>>> áîëüøèõ ôàéëàõ.
MS>> ×òî òàêîå "ýôôåêòèâíåå"?
SB> ×òîá ìåëêèå "ôàéëû" ñæèìàëèñü âî ÷òî-íèáóäü åù¸ áîëåå ìåëêîå... ;)
ïîíÿòíî.
Hà ñàìîì äåëå, îáû÷íî ïîä ýòèì ïîíèìàþò èíòåãðàëüíóþ õàðàêòåðèñòèêó,
îïðåäåëÿåìóþ êîýôô. ñæàòèÿ, ñêîðîñòüþ ñæàòèÿ è ðàçæàòèÿ, îáúåìàìè
ïàìÿòè, òðåáóåìûìè äëÿ ñæàòèÿ è ðàçæàòèÿ...
MS>> Êàêîâû âåðîÿòíîñòíûå õàðàêòåðèñòèêè ôàéëîâ?
SB> À ýòî ÷òî?
ãì... ñàìîå èíòåðåñíîå, ÷òî ÿ äàæå íå óäèâëåí. Âèäèìî, ÷òî-òî òàêîå
ïîäñîçíàòåëüíî ïðåäïîëàãàë, ïîýòîìó áûë ïñèõîëîãè÷åñêè ïîäãîòîâëåí.
Äåðåâÿííûé îòâåò.
Âåðîÿòíîñòü ÷èñëåííî õàðàêòåðèçóåò âîçìîæíîñòü íàñòóïëåíèÿ ñîáûòèÿ.
Âåðîÿòíîñòü îäíîãî ñîáûòèÿ îáû÷íî çàâèñèò îò íàñòóïëåíèÿ èëè íåíàñòóïëåíèÿ
êàêèõ-òî èíûõ ñîáûòèé, ò.å. ÿâëÿåòñÿ ôóíêöèåé.
Âîò, ê ïðèìåðó, åñëè ïðîàíàëèçèðîâàòü àðõèâ ru.compress çà ïîëãîäà, òî,
ñêîðåå âñåãî, âåðîÿòíîñòü òîãî, ÷òî íåêîòîðîå ñëîâî = "Sasha", íåâåëèêà.
Hî åñëè ãäå-òî ïîáëèçîñòè èìååòñÿ ñëîâî "Breger", òî âåð-ñòü ïîÿâëåíèÿ
"Sasha" âåñüìà è âåñüìà âûðàñòàåò. Ìåæäó "Breger" è "Sasha" èìååòñÿ
âåðîÿòíîñòíàÿ ñâÿçü. Åå ñèëà îïðåäåëÿåòñÿ íàïðàâëåíèåì: "Breger" --> "Sasha"
èëè "Sasha" --> "Breger" (â ïåðâîì ñëó÷àå çàìåòíî ñèëüíåå).
Èëè åùå âàðèàíò. Áåðåì áàòîí. Îòðåçàåì ëîìîòü. 100 ðàç êëàäåì îïðåäåëåííîé
ïëîñêîñòüþ íà ñòîë (~1 ìåòð è âûøå) è ñêèäûâàåì íà ïîë ïîñðåäñòâîì ïëàâíîãî
ñäâèãà. Ñ÷èòàåì ÷àñòîòû ïàäåíèÿ íà êàæäóþ ïëîñêîñòü ëîìòÿ. Ìàæåì
ìàñëîì. Ïîâòîðÿåì ýêñïåðèìåíò. Ñîîòíîøåíèå ÷àñòîò ïðèçåìëåíèÿ íà êàæäóþ
ïëîñêîñòü çàìåòíî èçìåíèëîñü.
Êàê ïðàâèëî, áóòåðáðîä ïðèçåìëÿåòñÿ ìàñëîì âíèç (âûïóñêíèêè ìàòìåõà,
çàêàëåííûå òåíçîðàìè, ðîòîðàìè è "Ðîÿëåì", äîêàæóò ñàìè, à òåáå ïðèäåòñÿ
ïîâåðèòü ìíå íà ñëîâî).
Ïðè ñæàòèè ÷åãî-òî íóæíî (æåëàòåëüíî) îòâåòèòü íà íåñêîëüêî âîïðîñîâ:
1) êàêîâà ðàçìåðíîñòü äàííûõ (1d -- áîëüøèíñòâî òåêñòîâ, 2d -- ïëîñêèå
êàðòèíêè,...);
2) ñêîëüêî ñðàâíèòåëüíî íåçàâèñèìûõ ïîòîêîâ èìååòñÿ â äàííûõ
(ñòåðåîçâóê -- 2 ïîòîêà, truecolor êàðòèíêà -- 3,...);
3) ðàçìåð ýëåìåíòîâ (òåêñò â UTF8 -- 8 áèò, UTF16 -- 16 áèò,...),
ïåðåìåííûé îí èëè ïîñòîÿííûé;
4) êàêîâû âåðîÿòíîñòíûå ñâÿçè ìåæäó ýëåìåíòàìè âíóòðè êàæäîãî
ïîòîêà è ìåæäó ýëåìåíòàìè ðàçíûõ ïîòîêîâ.
Ýòî êàê ìèíèìóì. Hà ýòè âîïðîñû ìîæíî îòâåòèòü íà áàçå àíàëèçà äàííûõ
ñ ïîìîùüþ ðÿäà ìàòåì. ìåòîäîâ, íî ëó÷øå, êîãäà ìû çíàåì ïðèðîäó äàííûõ
íàâåðíÿêà.
×òî êàñàåòñÿ êîðîòêèõ ñîîáùåíèé, òî çäåñü ñåðüåçíûé âûèãðûø
äàñò òîëüêî èñïîëüçîâàíèå çàðàíåå íàñòðîåííîãî êîìïðåññîðà, à òàêæå
ñæàòèå â ïàêåòíîì (solid) ðåæèìå, êîãäà êîðîòêèå ñîîáùåíèÿ æìóòñÿ
ñðàçó ñêîïîì.
Ìîæíî (ïðîùå âñåãî) ñäåëàòü ñëåäóþùåå. Âçÿòü êàêîé-íèáóäü êîäåð LZH è
ïðèêðóòèòü ê íåìó ôèêñèðîâàííûé ñëîâàðü ôðàç, ÷àùå âñåãî èñïîëüçóåìûõ
â êîäèðóåìûõ ñîîáùåíèÿõ. Åñëè èñõîäíî âûõîä LZ77 çàïèñûâàåòñÿ êàê
<ëèòåðàë/äëèíà ôðàçû><ñìåùåíèå>, òî ââåñòè â àëôàâèò äëèí ñïåö. ñèìâîë,
óêàçûâàþùèé íà òî, ÷òî äàëåå èäåò íå ñìåùåíèå, à èíäåêñ ôðàçû â
ôèêñèðîâàííîì ñëîâàðå, çàëîæåííîì â êîìïðåññîð.
Êóäà áû òåáÿ ïîñëàòü... Âîò, ïàðà-òðîéêà ññûëîê íà ðåñóðñû ïî ñæàòèþ:
http://sochi.net.ru/~maxime/
http://algolist.by.ru/compress/
(ðóñ)
http://www.ddj.com/topics/
(àíãë)
SB>>>>> Ñàáæ? Êàêèìè àëãîðèòìàìè ýôôåêòèâíåé? Îñîáåííî ïðè íå î÷åíü
MS>>> Êàêîâû âåðîÿòíîñòíûå õàðàêòåðèñòèêè ôàéëîâ?
SB>> À ýòî ÷òî?
BZ> âîò è ïîîáùàëèñü :)))
:-)
Maxim
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From : Bulat Ziganshin 2:5093/4.126 21 Dec 01 12:58:38
To : Maxim Smirnov
Subj : ÷åì ëó÷øå âñåãî ñæèìàòü ôàéëû ñ 4-6 áèòíûì àëôàâèòîì
* Originally in RU.COMPRESS
Ïðèÿòíîãî òåáå äíÿ è íåçàáûâàåìîé íî÷è, Maxim!
Friday December 21 2001, Maxim Smirnov writes to Sasha Breger:
SB>> ×òîá ìåëêèå "ôàéëû" ñæèìàëèñü âî ÷òî-íèáóäü åù¸ áîëåå ìåëêîå...
SB>> ;)
MS> ïîíÿòíî.
MS> Hà ñàìîì äåëå, îáû÷íî ïîä ýòèì ïîíèìàþò èíòåãðàëüíóþ õàðàêòåðèñòèêó,
MS> îïðåäåëÿåìóþ êîýôô. ñæàòèÿ, ñêîðîñòüþ ñæàòèÿ è ðàçæàòèÿ, îáúåìàìè
MS> ïàìÿòè, òðåáóåìûìè äëÿ ñæàòèÿ è ðàçæàòèÿ...
òàê åãî, òàê!!! :) à îñòàëüíîå ÿ îòïðàâèë ëàâðèíåíêî
Bulat, mailto:bulatzATfort.tatarstan.ru, ICQ 15872722
... Èíîãäà äëÿ òîãî, ÷òîáû èçìåíèòü ñâîå âîñïðèÿòèå ìèðà,
... ëþäè ïûòàþòñÿ èçìåíèòü ñàì ìèð
--- GoldED+/W32 1.1.2
* Origin: Ñåòåâîé ôèëüòð íà 5 áàçàðîâ (2:5093/4.126)
— RU.COMPRESS
From : IP Robot 2:5093/4.126 22 Dec 01 00:40:22
To : All
Subj : News at ftp://ftp.elf.stuba.sk/pub/pc/pack/
ftp://ftp.elf.stuba.sk/pub/pc/pack/7z230b8.exe
7-ZIP Archiver v2.30 beta 8 - Command line file archiver (738,064 bytes)
ftp://ftp.elf.stuba.sk/pub/pc/pack/pecpt169.zip
PECompact v1.69 - Win9x/NT4/W2k Executables Packer (88,505 bytes)
--- PktMake.pl
* Origin: PktMake.pl (2:5093/4.126)
— RU.COMPRESS
From : Bulat Ziganshin 2:5093/4.126 22 Dec 01 17:52:36
To : All
Subj : 7zip
* Originally in RU.COMPRESS
Ïðèÿòíîãî òåáå äíÿ è íåçàáûâàåìîé íî÷è, All!
Saturday December 22 2001, IP Robot writes to All:
IR> ftp://ftp.elf.stuba.sk/pub/pc/pack/7z230b8.exe
IR> 7-ZIP Archiver v2.30 beta 8 - Command line file archiver (738,064
7zip ðâ¸òñÿ âïåð¸ä, ìíå êàæåòñÿ, ÷òî îí ñêîðî ìîæåò ñòàòü îäíèì èç ëó÷øèõ êîììå
ð÷åñêèõ àðõèâàòîðîâ. ïîñëå ïîÿâëåíèÿ sfx ìíå â í¸ì íå õâàòàåò òîëüêî îäíîé ôèøê
è - àâòîâûáîðà ìåòîäà ñæàòèÿ. ÿ ñåé÷àñ îïèøó, à ïîòîì ìîæåò è ñäåëàþ òî, êàê ÿ
ýòî âèæó
1) âñå ôàéëû ðàçáèâàþòñÿ íà 4 ãðóïïû - 386-é êîä; òåêñòû è ïðî÷åå, õîðîøî ñæèìà
þùååñÿ ppmd; pdf è ïðî÷åå, íà ÷¸ì òîðìîçèò áèíàðíîå äåðåâî; âñ¸ îñòàâøååñÿ
2) ôàéëû âíóòðè êàæäîé ãðóïïû ñîðòèðóþòñÿ ìîèì àëãîðèòìîì èç arjz
3) êàæäàÿ ãðóïïà ñæèìàåòñÿ â solid ñîîòâåòñòâóþùèì àëãîðèòìîì
Bulat, mailto:bulatzATfort.tatarstan.ru, ICQ 15872722
... Èíîãäà äëÿ òîãî, ÷òîáû èçìåíèòü ñâîå âîñïðèÿòèå ìèðà,
... ëþäè ïûòàþòñÿ èçìåíèòü ñàì ìèð
--- GoldED+/W32 1.1.2
* Origin: Ñåòåâîé ôèëüòð íà 5 áàçàðîâ (2:5093/4.126)
— RU.COMPRESS
From : Daniil Uspensky 2:5030/1551.7 23 Dec 01 22:02:53
To : All
Subj : bzip2
Hello All!
Ñòðàííî, ïî÷åìó ñàáæ äàæå ñ -9 çàìåòíî óñòóïàåò ðàðó? Ýòî èç-çà õàôôìàíà?
Daniil
--- GoldED+/386 1.1.5-20011130
* Origin: Once Upon A Time In The West ... (2:5030/1551.7)
— RU.COMPRESS
From : Paul Konev 2:463/1124.977 23 Dec 01 22:46:39
To : Bulat Ziganshin
Subj : Re: 7zip
Õàþøêè ìíîãîóâàæàåìûé Bulat
Âîò âåäü... Áûâàåò æå... Ïèøóò æå... Ðàññìîòðèì êîíêðåòíûé ñëó÷àé: 23 Dec 01 â
14:32, Bulat Ziganshin õâàñòàëñÿ Paul Konev. Hå âåðüòå !
BZ>>> 7zip ðâ¸òñÿ âïåð¸ä, ìíå êàæåòñÿ, ÷òî îí ñêîðî ìîæåò ñòàòü îäíèì
BZ>>> èç ëó÷øèõ êîììåð÷åñêèõ àðõèâàòîðîâ. ïîñëå ïîÿâëåíèÿ sfx ìíå â
BZ>>> í¸ì íå õâàòàåò òîëüêî îäíîé ôèøêè - àâòîâûáîðà ìåòîäà ñæàòèÿ.
PK>> È, ê òîìó æå, àâòîâûáîðà ïîðÿäêà ìîäåëè -o (model order) äëÿ
PK>> PPMD. Ïðèøëîñü ïèñàòü ïðîãó äëÿ ñîçäàíèÿ áàòíèêà ñ 31 êîìàíäîé íà
PK>> àðõèâàöèþ. Êàê åù¸ ñèëüíåå èçâðàòèòüñÿ ?
PK>> Äåëî â òîì, ÷òî ðàçáðîñ â ðàçìåðàõ àðõèâîâ ïîëó÷àåòñÿ âåñüìà
PK>> îùóòèìûé.
BZ> êàêîé?
 äàííîì ñëó÷àå 9,3ì.
BZ> ìíå êàæåòñÿ, ÷òî 6 - âïîëíå íîðìàëüíî
Êòàëîã DIC 94,082,976 áàéò.
44,8ì - ðó-àí ñëîâàðè (÷èñòî òåêñò)
49,2ì - àíãëèéñêèå òåêñòû
a -t7z -ms -r -m0=ppmd -m0mem=200m -m0o=_2-32_
Òû áû óãàäàë çàðàíåå òàêîé ïîðÿäîê ðàñïîëîæåíèÿ ïî ðàçìåðó àðõèâà ?
DIC14 7z ¦14592093
DIC16 7z ¦14625555
DIC15 7z ¦14724746
DIC11 7z ¦14740492
DIC12 7z ¦14768763
DIC10 7z ¦14793778
DIC13 7z ¦14856446
DIC9 7z ¦14895513
DIC17 7z ¦14957978
DIC19 7z ¦14973205
DIC22 7z ¦14995748
DIC20 7z ¦15014485
DIC23 7z ¦15022455
DIC27 7z ¦15044824
DIC24 7z ¦15050950
DIC8 7z ¦15093275
DIC18 7z ¦15110554
DIC28 7z ¦15125805
DIC25 7z ¦15156497
DIC21 7z ¦15162407
DIC29 7z ¦15209558
DIC30 7z ¦15226940
DIC26 7z ¦15249863
DIC32 7z ¦15255008
DIC31 7z ¦15258188
DIC7 7z ¦15308148
DIC6 7z ¦15622457
DIC5 7z ¦16017315
DIC4 7z ¦16831071
DIC3 7z ¦19173791
DIC2 7z ¦23849010
Æàë ÿ êàòàëîã ñâåæåâûñòàâëåííîé â2ê ~400ì. Òîæå ðàçáðîñ ïðèëè÷íûé.
Hå ïîìíþ -î, êîòîðûé ñòàë ïîáåäèòåëåì.
Äà ìíîãî ÿ ÷¸ æàë. Âåçäå ðàçíîå. Çðÿ áû íå ïèñàë áû.
Good Bye Bulat Ziganshin.
[SBLive + Âåãà 10Ó120Ñ + S30B = rul¸z]
--- GoldED+/W32 1.1.5 / W2k Uptime 2 days 4h 48m 58sec
* Origin: Î, êàê âíåçàïíî êîí÷èëñÿ äèâàí ! (2:463/1124.977)
— RU.COMPRESS
From : Maxim Smirnov 2:5020/400 24 Dec 01 09:18:17
To : Paul Konev
Subj : Re: 7zip
From: "Maxim Smirnov" <model@iac.spb.ru>
Sun Dec 23 2001 22:46, Paul Konev wrote to Bulat Ziganshin:
PK>>> PPMD. Ïðèøëîñü ïèñàòü ïðîãó äëÿ ñîçäàíèÿ áàòíèêà ñ 31 êîìàíäîé íà
PK>>> àðõèâàöèþ. Êàê åù¸ ñèëüíåå èçâðàòèòüñÿ ?
PK>>> Äåëî â òîì, ÷òî ðàçáðîñ â ðàçìåðàõ àðõèâîâ ïîëó÷àåòñÿ âåñüìà îùóòèìûé.
BZ>> êàêîé?
PK>  äàííîì ñëó÷àå 9,3ì.
BZ>> ìíå êàæåòñÿ, ÷òî 6 - âïîëíå íîðìàëüíî
PK> Êòàëîã DIC 94,082,976 áàéò.
PK> 44,8ì - ðó-àí ñëîâàðè (÷èñòî òåêñò)
PK> 49,2ì - àíãëèéñêèå òåêñòû
PK> a -t7z -ms -r -m0=ppmd -m0mem=200m -m0o=_2-32_
PK> Òû áû óãàäàë çàðàíåå òàêîé ïîðÿäîê ðàñïîëîæåíèÿ ïî ðàçìåðó àðõèâà ?
ìíå êàæåòñÿ, òóò ÷òî-òî ñ âûðàâíèâàíèåì êóñêîâ òåêñòà, íàäî ñìîòðåòü.
À âîò òî, ÷òî PPMd íóæåí ñâîé ïðåïðîöåññèíã (èëè âñòðîåííûå äîïîëíèòåëüíûå
ïðåäèêòîðû) -- ýòî ôàêò.
ppmonstr ñ ôèëüòðàìè êëàäåò àáñîëþòíî âñåõ ñ ñîëèäíûì îòðûâîì, íî
áîëüíî òîðìîçèò è ïàìÿòè åñò êàê ìàìîíò...
Maxim
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From : Bulat Ziganshin 2:5093/4.126 24 Dec 01 09:48:35
To : Daniil Uspensky
Subj : bzip2
* Originally in RU.COMPRESS
Ïðèÿòíîãî òåáå äíÿ è íåçàáûâàåìîé íî÷è, Daniil!
Sunday December 23 2001, Daniil Uspensky writes to All:
DU> Ñòðàííî, ïî÷åìó ñàáæ äàæå ñ -9 çàìåòíî óñòóïàåò ðàðó? Ýòî èç-çà
DU> õàôôìàíà?
èç óâàæåíèÿ :) âñ¸ çàâèñèò îò òèïà ôàéëîâ, íà exe-øíèêàõ íàïðèìåð îí è äîëæåí
óñòóïàòü
Bulat, mailto:bulatzATfort.tatarstan.ru, ICQ 15872722
... Èíîãäà äëÿ òîãî, ÷òîáû èçìåíèòü ñâîå âîñïðèÿòèå ìèðà,
... ëþäè ïûòàþòñÿ èçìåíèòü ñàì ìèð
--- GoldED+/W32 1.1.2
* Origin: Ñåòåâîé ôèëüòð íà 5 áàçàðîâ (2:5093/4.126)
— RU.COMPRESS
From : Bulat Ziganshin 2:5093/4.126 24 Dec 01 11:02:09
To : Paul Konev
Subj : 7zip
* Originally in RU.COMPRESS
Ïðèÿòíîãî òåáå äíÿ è íåçàáûâàåìîé íî÷è, Paul!
Sunday December 23 2001, Paul Konev writes to Bulat Ziganshin:
PK>>> È, ê òîìó æå, àâòîâûáîðà ïîðÿäêà ìîäåëè -o (model order) äëÿ
PK>>> PPMD. Ïðèøëîñü ïèñàòü ïðîãó äëÿ ñîçäàíèÿ áàòíèêà ñ 31 êîìàíäîé
PK>>> íà àðõèâàöèþ. Êàê åù¸ ñèëüíåå èçâðàòèòüñÿ ? Äåëî â òîì, ÷òî
PK>>> ðàçáðîñ â ðàçìåðàõ àðõèâîâ ïîëó÷àåòñÿ âåñüìà îùóòèìûé.
PK> a -t7z -ms -r -m0=ppmd -m0mem=200m -m0o=_2-32_
ïîë, ìåíÿ èíòåðåñóþò íå ðåêîðäû íà 200 ìá, à âòàëêèâàíèå ïîðãðàììû â ïðàêòè÷åñê
óþ ñðåäó. ïîâòîðè ñâîè òåñòû ñ 16 ìá - äóìàþ, 6-8 áóäåò îïòèìóìîì. w2k, êàê ìíå
êàæåòñÿ, ëó÷øå ñîæì¸òñÿ lzh-åì
Bulat, mailto:bulatzATfort.tatarstan.ru, ICQ 15872722
... Èíîãäà äëÿ òîãî, ÷òîáû èçìåíèòü ñâîå âîñïðèÿòèå ìèðà,
... ëþäè ïûòàþòñÿ èçìåíèòü ñàì ìèð
--- GoldED+/W32 1.1.2
* Origin: Ñåòåâîé ôèëüòð íà 5 áàçàðîâ (2:5093/4.126)
— RU.COMPRESS
From : Bulat Ziganshin 2:5093/4.126 24 Dec 01 11:15:28
To : Maxim Smirnov
Subj : 7zip
* Originally in RU.COMPRESS
Ïðèÿòíîãî òåáå äíÿ è íåçàáûâàåìîé íî÷è, Maxim!
Monday December 24 2001, Maxim Smirnov writes to Paul Konev:
PK>> a -t7z -ms -r -m0=ppmd -m0mem=200m -m0o=_2-32_
PK>> Òû áû óãàäàë çàðàíåå òàêîé ïîðÿäîê ðàñïîëîæåíèÿ ïî ðàçìåðó àðõèâà
PK>> ?
MS> ìíå êàæåòñÿ, òóò ÷òî-òî ñ âûðàâíèâàíèåì êóñêîâ òåêñòà, íàäî ñìîòðåòü.
ìîæåò, ïðîñòî ïàìÿòè íå õâàòàåò? :)))
Bulat, mailto:bulatzATfort.tatarstan.ru, ICQ 15872722
... Èíîãäà äëÿ òîãî, ÷òîáû èçìåíèòü ñâîå âîñïðèÿòèå ìèðà,
... ëþäè ïûòàþòñÿ èçìåíèòü ñàì ìèð
--- GoldED+/W32 1.1.2
* Origin: Ñåòåâîé ôèëüòð íà 5 áàçàðîâ (2:5093/4.126)
— RU.COMPRESS
From : Vladimir Mosgalin 2:5030/1041.17 24 Dec 01 11:15:48
To : Daniil Uspensky
Subj : bzip2
Hello Daniil.
23 Äåê 01 22:02, you wrote to all:
DU> Ñòðàííî, ïî÷åìó ñàáæ äàæå ñ -9 çàìåòíî óñòóïàåò ðàðó? Ýòî èç-çà
DU> õàôôìàíà?
Îí óñòóïàåò òîëüêî íà ñïåöåôè÷åñêèõ òåñòàõ... Hà ñðåäíèõ ôàéëàõ ó ìåíÿ ðàçíèöà
ìåíüøå ïàðû ïðîöåíòîâ. Hî èìõî ìîæíî ñîñòàâèòü è òàêîé òåñò, êîãäà îí îáîéäåò ð
àð.
Vladimir
... I wanna live, I wanna love, but it's a long hard road, out of hell...
--- Why use Windows, since there is a door?
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From : Maxim Smirnov 2:5020/400 24 Dec 01 15:46:00
To : Bulat Ziganshin
Subj : 7zip
From: "Maxim Smirnov" <model@iac.spb.ru>
Mon Dec 24 2001 11:15, Bulat Ziganshin wrote to Maxim Smirnov:
PK>>> a -t7z -ms -r -m0=ppmd -m0mem=200m -m0o=_2-32_
PK>>> Òû áû óãàäàë çàðàíåå òàêîé ïîðÿäîê ðàñïîëîæåíèÿ ïî ðàçìåðó àðõèâà
PK>>> ?
MS>> ìíå êàæåòñÿ, òóò ÷òî-òî ñ âûðàâíèâàíèåì êóñêîâ òåêñòà, íàäî ñìîòðåòü.
BZ> ìîæåò, ïðîñòî ïàìÿòè íå õâàòàåò? :)))
äëÿ áîëüøèõ ïîðÿäêîâ -- ôàêò, 200 ìàëî
Hî â ðàéîíå ~15 -- íå âïîëíå ïîíÿòíî.
ßñíî îäíî, ÷òî ðàçíèöà âîâñå íå 9,3 Ìá, à ~1 Ìá, ò.ê. ñðàâíèâàòü
ñ î-2 ñìûñëà íåò. Äåôîëòîâûé î-6 íîðìàëüíî ðàáîòàåò. Öåëåñîîáðàçíîñòü
óâåëè÷åíèÿ äî õîòÿ áû î-8 êðàéíå ñîìíèòåëüíà.
Maxim
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From : Dmitry Shkarin 2:5020/400 24 Dec 01 15:48:04
To : Paul Konev
Subj : Re: 7zip
From: "Dmitry Shkarin" <dmitry.shkarin@mtu-net.ru>
Hi, Paul!
> a -t7z -ms -r -m0=ppmd -m0mem=200m -m0o=_2-32_
>
> Òû áû óãàäàë çàðàíåå òàêîé ïîðÿäîê ðàñïîëîæåíèÿ ïî ðàçìåðó àðõèâà ?
[skip]
1) Hó, òàêè ðàçíèöà íåâåëèêà.
2) ÈÌÕÎ, äëÿ PPMd solid mode áåçóñëîâíî âðåäåí ïðè ðàçìåðå ôàéëà >100KB.
Òóò åñòü êîíå÷íî òîíêîñòè - äâà ëîãà ïî 10ÌÁ íàâåðíîå ëó÷øå ñîæìóòñÿ â
solid, íî äâà òåêñòà, ïóñòü äàæå è íà îäíîì ÿçûêå è ïî îäíîé è òîé-æå òåìå,
ëó÷øå ñîæìóòñÿ ïî îòäåëüíîñòè.
3) Âî, áëèí, çàíÿòèå ñåáå ïðèäóìàë, ïåðåáèðàòü ñ 2 äî 32 ;-)
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From : Bulat Ziganshin 2:5093/4.126 24 Dec 01 19:04:03
To : Maxim Smirnov
Subj : 7zip
* Originally in RU.COMPRESS
Ïðèÿòíîãî òåáå äíÿ è íåçàáûâàåìîé íî÷è, Maxim!
Monday December 24 2001, Maxim Smirnov writes to Bulat Ziganshin:
BZ>> ìîæåò, ïðîñòî ïàìÿòè íå õâàòàåò? :)))
MS> äëÿ áîëüøèõ ïîðÿäêîâ -- ôàêò, 200 ìàëî
MS> Hî â ðàéîíå ~15 -- íå âïîëíå ïîíÿòíî.
ó÷òè, ÷òî òàì êàê ìèíèìóì äâà ÿçûêà (åñëè ïðîãðàììèñòñêî-ìàòåðíîãî íåò ;)
Bulat, mailto:bulatzATfort.tatarstan.ru, ICQ 15872722
... Èíîãäà äëÿ òîãî, ÷òîáû èçìåíèòü ñâîå âîñïðèÿòèå ìèðà,
... ëþäè ïûòàþòñÿ èçìåíèòü ñàì ìèð
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— RU.COMPRESS
From : Daniil Uspensky 2:5030/1551.7 24 Dec 01 23:33:18
To : Bulat Ziganshin
Subj : bzip2
Hello Bulat!
24 Äåê 01, Bulat Ziganshin wrote to Daniil Uspensky:
DU>> Ñòðàííî, ïî÷åìó ñàáæ äàæå ñ -9 çàìåòíî óñòóïàåò ðàðó? Ýòî èç-çà
DU>> õàôôìàíà?
BZ> èç óâàæåíèÿ :) âñ¸ çàâèñèò îò òèïà ôàéëîâ, íà exe-øíèêàõ íàïðèìåð îí
BZ> è äîëæåí óñòóïàòü
Ýòî bwt îòëûíèâàåò :-) èç-çà íåñòàáèëüíîãî êîíòåêñòà, íàäî ïîíèìàòü?
Daniil
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From : Paul Konev 2:463/1124.977 24 Dec 01 23:48:28
To : Bulat Ziganshin
Subj : Re: 7zip
Õàþøêè ìíîãîóâàæàåìûé Bulat
Âîò âåäü... Áûâàåò æå... Ïèøóò æå... Ðàññìîòðèì êîíêðåòíûé ñëó÷àé: 24 Dec 01 â
11:02, Bulat Ziganshin õâàñòàëñÿ Paul Konev. Hå âåðüòå !
PK>>>> È, ê òîìó æå, àâòîâûáîðà ïîðÿäêà ìîäåëè -o (model order) äëÿ
PK>>>> PPMD. Ïðèøëîñü ïèñàòü ïðîãó äëÿ ñîçäàíèÿ áàòíèêà ñ 31 êîìàíäîé
PK>>>> íà àðõèâàöèþ. Êàê åù¸ ñèëüíåå èçâðàòèòüñÿ ? Äåëî â òîì, ÷òî
PK>>>> ðàçáðîñ â ðàçìåðàõ àðõèâîâ ïîëó÷àåòñÿ âåñüìà îùóòèìûé.
PK>> a -t7z -ms -r -m0=ppmd -m0mem=200m -m0o=_2-32_
BZ> ïîë, ìåíÿ èíòåðåñóþò íå ðåêîðäû íà 200 ìá,
Ìåíÿ òîæå ïîäîáíûå âåùè íå èíòåðåñóþò.
Ó ìåíÿ çàäà÷à - çàæàòü ïîñèëüíåå. Âðåìÿ è ïàìÿòü íå ðîÿëÿò.
ß õîòåë áû ýòî ñäåëàòü îäíîé êîìàíäîé, à íå 31.
BZ> à âòàëêèâàíèå ïîðãðàììû â
BZ> ïðàêòè÷åñêóþ ñðåäó.
Hå ïîíÿë, ÷òî ýòî çíà÷èò, ïîÿñíè ïëèç :)
BZ> ïîâòîðè ñâîè òåñòû ñ 16 ìá - äóìàþ, 6-8 áóäåò
BZ> îïòèìóìîì.
Òû ïðàâ - Random House Webster 26,8ì ñèëüíåå âñåãî ñêîð÷èëñÿ îò 6.
Hî ýòî - ëèøü åù¸ îäèí ïðèìåð, ïîñëå êîòîðîãî ÿ ÕÎ×Ó (ÀÀÀÀ!!!) àâòîâûáîð
íàèëó÷øåãî ïîðÿäêà ìîäåëè (êñòàòè - êàê ýòî ïî ðóññêè ïðàâèëüíî?).
Ó ìåíÿ âåäü âîçíèêàåò íåîáõîäèìîñòü æàòü íå òîëüêî 16ì,
íî è 400ì èëè 2ì - òàê ïóñòü àðõèâåð ñàì âûáåðåò ëó÷øèé ïîðÿäîê.
Åñëè ýòî íåâîçìîæíî - òàê è ñêàæè. ß îòíåñóñü ê ýòîìó ñåðü¸çíî.
ß òåáå äîâåðÿþ, õîòü òû è øóòíèê :)
BZ> w2k, êàê ìíå êàæåòñÿ, ëó÷øå ñîæì¸òñÿ lzh-åì
Óäèâë¸í. LZH - ýòî â ñìûñëå LHA ? Îí æå 92 ãîäà.
Ïî-ìîåìó, ÀÑÅ ñåé÷àñ â ñåáÿ âêëþ÷àåò íàèáîëüøåå ðàçíîîáðàçèå âñÿêèõ
ìåòîäîâ/ôèëüòðîâ/÷åãîòàìåù¸áûâàåò.
Òàê 7ç (ñ ÏÏÌÄ) âûèãðûâàåò ó ÀÑÅ ïî÷òè âñåãäà.
Good Bye Bulat Ziganshin.
[SBLive + Âåãà 10Ó120Ñ + S30B = rul¸z]
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From : Bulat Ziganshin 2:5093/4.126 25 Dec 01 12:15:26
To : Paul Konev
Subj : 7zip
* Originally in RU.COMPRESS
Ïðèÿòíîãî òåáå äíÿ è íåçàáûâàåìîé íî÷è, Paul!
Monday December 24 2001, Paul Konev writes to Bulat Ziganshin:
BZ>> ïîë, ìåíÿ èíòåðåñóþò íå ðåêîðäû íà 200 ìá,
PK> Ìåíÿ òîæå ïîäîáíûå âåùè íå èíòåðåñóþò.
PK> Ó ìåíÿ çàäà÷à - çàæàòü ïîñèëüíåå. Âðåìÿ è ïàìÿòü íå ðîÿëÿò.
PK> ß õîòåë áû ýòî ñäåëàòü îäíîé êîìàíäîé, à íå 31.
òû ñäåëàé äðóãîé âàðèàíò 7zip :) à ìíå íóæíî íå ñëèøêîì òîðìîçíîå ñæàòèå íà ðå
àëüíîì îáú¸ìå ïàìÿòè - òåõ æå 16 ìåòðàõ
BZ>> à âòàëêèâàíèå ïîðãðàììû â
BZ>> ïðàêòè÷åñêóþ ñðåäó.
PK> Hå ïîíÿë, ÷òî ýòî çíà÷èò, ïîÿñíè ïëèç :)
ñì. âûøå
BZ>> ïîâòîðè ñâîè òåñòû ñ 16 ìá - äóìàþ, 6-8 áóäåò
BZ>> îïòèìóìîì.
PK> Òû ïðàâ - Random House Webster 26,8ì ñèëüíåå âñåãî ñêîð÷èëñÿ îò 6.
ÿ èìåþ â âèäó 16 ìá îçó äëÿ ppmd
PK> Hî ýòî - ëèøü åù¸ îäèí ïðèìåð, ïîñëå êîòîðîãî ÿ ÕÎ×Ó (ÀÀÀÀ!!!)
PK> àâòîâûáîð íàèëó÷øåãî ïîðÿäêà ìîäåëè (êñòàòè - êàê ýòî ïî ðóññêè
PK> ïðàâèëüíî?).
PK> Ó ìåíÿ âåäü âîçíèêàåò íåîáõîäèìîñòü æàòü íå òîëüêî 16ì,
PK> íî è 400ì èëè 2ì - òàê ïóñòü àðõèâåð ñàì âûáåðåò ëó÷øèé ïîðÿäîê.
PK> Åñëè ýòî íåâîçìîæíî - òàê è ñêàæè. ß îòíåñóñü ê ýòîìó ñåðü¸çíî.
PK> ß òåáå äîâåðÿþ, õîòü òû è øóòíèê :)
ÿ íå ñïåöèàëèñò :) åñëè òåáÿ óäîâëåòâîðÿþò êâàçèîïòèìàëüíûå ðåçóëüòàòû - ïîäáè
ðàé ïîðÿäîê íà ãëàçîê, èñõîäÿ èç îáú¸ìà èñïîëüçóåìîé ïàìÿòè. ìîæíî ýòî è â 7zip
âñòàâèòü
BZ>> w2k, êàê ìíå êàæåòñÿ, ëó÷øå ñîæì¸òñÿ lzh-åì
PK> Óäèâë¸í. LZH - ýòî â ñìûñëå LHA ? Îí æå 92 ãîäà.
PK> Ïî-ìîåìó, ÀÑÅ ñåé÷àñ â ñåáÿ âêëþ÷àåò íàèáîëüøåå ðàçíîîáðàçèå âñÿêèõ
PK> ìåòîäîâ/ôèëüòðîâ/÷åãîòàìåù¸áûâàåò.
PK> Òàê 7ç (ñ ÏÏÌÄ) âûèãðûâàåò ó ÀÑÅ ïî÷òè âñåãäà.
lzh - ýòî òèï àëãîðèòìîâ, èñïîëüçóåìûõ îò pkzip 1.0 äî ñîâðåìåííûõ rar/ace/jar/
cabarc. 7zip ïî óìîë÷àíèþ æì¸ò èìåííî èì. õîòÿ òû ïðàâ, lha(rc) èñïîëüçîâàë èìå
ííî òàêîå ðàñøèðåíèå äëÿ ñâîèõ ôàéëîâ :)
Bulat, mailto:bulatzATfort.tatarstan.ru, ICQ 15872722
... Èíîãäà äëÿ òîãî, ÷òîáû èçìåíèòü ñâîå âîñïðèÿòèå ìèðà,
... ëþäè ïûòàþòñÿ èçìåíèòü ñàì ìèð
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From : Bulat Ziganshin 2:5093/4.126 25 Dec 01 23:18:24
To : All
Subj : hyperthreading ïðèõîäèò
* Originally in RU.COMPRESS
Ïðèÿòíîãî òåáå äíÿ è íåçàáûâàåìîé íî÷è, All!
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Íà÷àëî ñëåäóþùåãî ãîäà ñòàíåò äîñòàòî÷íî ëþáîïûòíûì ñåçîíîì äëÿ òåõ, êòî âíèìàò
åëüíî ñëåäèò çà íîâûìè ïðîöåññîðíûìè ïðîäóêòàìè îò Intel. Ïîìèìî ââîäà â ýêñïëó
àòàöèþ íîâîãî ÿäðà äëÿ ïðîöåññîðîâ Pentium 4, âûïîëíåííîãî ïî 0.13 ìêì òåõíîëîã
èè, Northwood, íàñ æäåò è åùå îäíî íîâøåñòâî, êàñàþùååñÿ ñåðâåðíîãî ðûíêà. Ñ íà
÷àëà ñëåäóþùåãî ãîäà Intel íà÷íåò ïðåäëàãàòü ïðîöåññîðû, îñíàùåííûå òåõíîëîãèåé
Hyperthreading (ðàíåå èçâåñòíîé êàê Jackson).
Íàïîìíþ, ÷òî ñóòü òåõíîëîãèè Hyperthreading ñîñòîèò â âîçìîæíîñòè èñïîëíåíèÿ íå
ñêîëüêèõ âû÷èñëèòåëüíûõ öåïî÷åê îäíîâðåìåííî íà îäíîì ïðîöåññîðå, áåç ïîñòîÿííî
ãî ïåðåêëþ÷åíèÿ ìåæäó íèìè. Ãîâîðÿ ïðîñòûì ÿçûêîì, ïðîöåññîð ñ òåõíîëîãèåé Hype
rthreading áóäåò ïîäîáåí SMP ñèñòåìå ñ íåñêîëüêèìè ïðîöåññîðàìè. Ýòî çíà÷èò, ÷ò
î ïðèëîæåíèÿ, óìåþùèå ñîçäàâàòü íåñêîëüêî íåçàâèñèìûõ âû÷èñëèòåëüíûõ öåïî÷åê, á
óäóò íà CPU ñ Hyperthreading ðàáîòàòü áûñòðåå, ÷åì íà ñèñòåìå ñ îäíèì îáû÷íûì ï
ðîöåññîðîì.
Intel íàìåðåâàåòñÿ âêëþ÷èòü òåõíîëîãèþ Hyperthreading â íà÷àëå 2002 ãîäà âî âñå
õ ñâîèõ ñåðâåðíûõ CPU. Ïåðâûì ýòó òåõíîëîãèþ íà÷íåò èñïîëüçîâàòü ïðîöåññîð Xeon
MP äëÿ ìíîãîïðîöåññîðíûõ ñåðâåðîâ, êîòîðûé äîëæåí áûòü àíîíñèðîâàí â ÿíâàðå ñë
åäóþùåãî ãîäà. Xeon MP ïîìèìî Hyperthreading áóäåò èìåòü êåø òðåòüåãî óðîâíÿ ðà
çìåðîì 512 Êáàéò èëè 1 Ìáàéò, ðàáîòàòü íà ÷àñòîòå 1.6 ÃÃö è îñíîâûâàòüñÿ íà 0.1
8-ìèêðîííîì ÿäðå.
 ìàðòå ñåìåéñòâî ïðîöåññîðîâ, ïîääåðæèâàþùèõ Hyperthreading, ïîïîëíèòñÿ è äâóõ
ïðîöåññîðíûì Xeon íà 0.13 ìèêðîííîì ÿäðå Prestonia c ÷àñòîòîé 2.2 ÃÃö.
Îäíàêî, Intel èìååò íà Hyperthreading ãîðàçäî áîëåå äàëåêî èäóùèå ïëàíû, ÷åì ìî
æåò ïîêàçàòüñÿ èçíà÷àëüíî. Ïî äàííûì Intel, èñïîëüçîâàíèå ýòîé òåõíîëîãèè ìîæåò
óâåëè÷èòü ïðîèçâîäèòåëüíîñòü è îáû÷íûõ íàñòîëüíûõ ñèñòåì. Óòâåðæäàåòñÿ, ÷òî ñè
ñòåìà, ïîñòðîåííàÿ íà îáû÷íîì Pentium 4, åñëè áû îíà èñïîëüçîâàëà òåõíîëîãèþ Hy
perthreading, ðàáîòàëà áû ïðèáëèçèòåëüíî íà 25-30% áûñòðåå àíàëîãè÷íîé ñèñòåìû
ñ îòêëþ÷åííîé òåõíîëîãèåé Hyperthreading. Ïîýòîìó, Intel ðàññìàòðèâàåò Hyperthr
eading êàê îäíî èç íàïðàâëåíèé óâåëè÷åíèÿ ïðîèçâîäèòåëüíîñòè Pentium 4.
Ñîãëàñíî èìåþùèìñÿ ó íàñ äàííûì, Hyperthreading áóäåò ââåäåí â ñåìåéñòâî íàñòîë
üíûõ ïðîöåññîðîâ Pentium 4 â íà÷àëå 2003 ãîäà, îäíîâðåìåííî ñ ïåðåâîäîì ýòîé ëè
íåéêè ñ ÿäðà Northwood íà ñëåäóþùåå 0.09-ìèêðîííîå ÿäðî Prescott. Áîëåå òîãî, ÷
óòü ïîçæå Hyperthreading ïåðåêî÷óåò è â ìîáèëüíûå ïðîöåññîðû Pentium 4.
Íî ñàìîå èíòåðåñíîå, ýòî òî, ÷òî ðåàëèçàöèÿ òåõíîëîãèè Hyperthreading óæå ïðèñó
òñòâóåò â ñåãîäíÿøíèõ Pentium 4, ïîñòðîåííûõ äàæå íà ÿäðå Willamette, ñ ìîìåíòà
èõ âûõîäà. Ïðèìåðíî 5-10% ïëîùàäè ÿäðà îòâåäåíî ïîä òðàíçèñòîðû, ðåàëèçóþùèå ý
òó òåõíîëîãèþ. Îäíàêî, ïîêà Hyperthreading â Pentium 4 îòêëþ÷åíà, è Intel íå ñï
åøèò åå àêòèâèðîâàòü, à æäåò ïîäõîäÿùåãî ìîìåíòà. Áîëåå òîãî, ïîêà êîìïàíèÿ èñï
ðîáóåò äðóãèå ñïîñîáû ïîâûøåíèÿ ïðîèçâîäèòåëüíîñòè, íàïðèìåð, óâåëè÷åíèå L2 êåø
à â Northwood.
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Bulat, mailto:bulatzATfort.tatarstan.ru, ICQ 15872722
... Èíîãäà äëÿ òîãî, ÷òîáû èçìåíèòü ñâîå âîñïðèÿòèå ìèðà,
... ëþäè ïûòàþòñÿ èçìåíèòü ñàì ìèð
--- GoldED+/W32 1.1.2
* Origin: Ñåòåâîé ôèëüòð íà 5 áàçàðîâ (2:5093/4.126)
— RU.COMPRESS
From : Maxim Smirnov 2:5020/400 26 Dec 01 09:36:22
To : Daniil Uspensky
Subj : bzip2
From: "Maxim Smirnov" <model@iac.spb.ru>
Mon Dec 24 2001 23:33, Daniil Uspensky wrote to Bulat Ziganshin:
DU> Hello Bulat!
DU> 24 Äåê 01, Bulat Ziganshin wrote to Daniil Uspensky:
DU>>> Ñòðàííî, ïî÷åìó ñàáæ äàæå ñ -9 çàìåòíî óñòóïàåò ðàðó? Ýòî èç-çà
DU>>> õàôôìàíà?
BZ>> èç óâàæåíèÿ :) âñ¸ çàâèñèò îò òèïà ôàéëîâ, íà exe-øíèêàõ íàïðèìåð îí
BZ>> è äîëæåí óñòóïàòü
DU> Ýòî bwt îòëûíèâàåò :-) èç-çà íåñòàáèëüíîãî êîíòåêñòà, íàäî ïîíèìàòü?
èç-çà ëåíè ðàçðàáîò÷èêîâ.
BWT ìîæíî äîòÿíóòü çà óøè äî óðîâíÿ LZ, íî âñåì ëåíèâî ýòèì
çàíèìàòüñÿ, ò.ê. åñòü LZ, íåïëîõî ñïðàâëÿþùèéñÿ ñî ñâîèìè
îáÿçàííîñòÿìè. È ýòî ïðàâèëüíî. Hó çà÷åì íàì òîðìîçíîé BWT?
Maxim
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— RU.COMPRESS
From : Bulat Ziganshin 2:5093/4.126 26 Dec 01 11:12:17
To : Daniil Uspensky
Subj : bzip2
* Originally in RU.COMPRESS
Ïðèÿòíîãî òåáå äíÿ è íåçàáûâàåìîé íî÷è, Daniil!
Monday December 24 2001, Daniil Uspensky writes to Bulat Ziganshin:
BZ>> èç óâàæåíèÿ :) âñ¸ çàâèñèò îò òèïà ôàéëîâ, íà exe-øíèêàõ
BZ>> íàïðèìåð îí è äîëæåí óñòóïàòü
DU> Ýòî bwt îòëûíèâàåò :-) èç-çà íåñòàáèëüíîãî êîíòåêñòà, íàäî ïîíèìàòü?
óãó, êîíå÷íî. ïîäðîáíåé þêèí çíàåò
Bulat, mailto:bulatzATfort.tatarstan.ru, ICQ 15872722
... Èíîãäà äëÿ òîãî, ÷òîáû èçìåíèòü ñâîå âîñïðèÿòèå ìèðà,
... ëþäè ïûòàþòñÿ èçìåíèòü ñàì ìèð
--- GoldED+/W32 1.1.2
* Origin: Ñåòåâîé ôèëüòð íà 5 áàçàðîâ (2:5093/4.126)
— RU.COMPRESS
From : Alan Long 2:5030/1082.72 29 Dec 01 01:06:57
To : All
Subj : ïðî 7-ZiP
* Created: at Sat, 29-Dec-2001 01:06 by Alan Long using timEd 1.10+.
Hello All!
Ïî ðåêîìåíäàöèè çäåñü ïðèñóòñòâóþùèú ïîñòàâèë 7zip.  ïðèíöèïå ýòî ïðàêòè÷åñêè
÷òî ÿ èñêàë. Âñåì áîëüøîå ñïàñèáî çà ñîâåò.
Òåïåðü âîïðîñû ïðî èñïîëüçîâàíèå 7zip:
- Êàê óäàëèòü ôàéëû êîòîðûå áûëè äîáàâëåíû â àðõèâ, æåëàòåëüíî ñ óäàëåíèåì äèð
åêòîðèé/ïîääèðåêòîðèé. Òî åñòü move to archive.
- Ïðè àðõèâàöèè gzip/bzip2 òåðÿåòñÿ ðàñøèðåíèå ;-( òî åñòü åñëè áûëî file.doc,
òî ñòàíåò file.gz, à õîòåëîñü-áû file.doc.gz
--
With best,
--¬ -
+-+La¦\¦ <alan@x-rays.eu.org>
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From : Alan Long 2:5030/1082.72 31 Dec 01 01:38:39
To : Paul Konev
Subj : ïðî 7-ZiP
* Reply to a message
* Originally from Paul Konev (2:463/1124.977) to Alan Long.
AL> Òåïåðü âîïðîñû ïðî èñïîëüçîâàíèå 7zip:
AL> - Êàê óäàëèòü ôàéëû êîòîðûå áûëè äîáàâëåíû â àðõèâ, æåëàòåëüíî ñ
AL> óäàëåíèåì äèðåêòîðèé/ïîääèðåêòîðèé. Òî åñòü move to archive.
PK> Hàñêîëüêî ÿ ïîíÿë, ó íåãî òàêîé ôóíêöèè íåò.
;-(
PK> Hó... íàâàÿé áàòíèê.
Hå ñîâñåì ãðàìîòíîå ðåøåíèå, â êîíêðåòíî âçÿòîì, ìîåì, ñëó÷àå. Òàê êàê ìíå àðõè
âàòîð íóæåí äëÿ î÷åíü ïðîñòîé öåëè -
Åñòü ïîëüçîâàòåëè æåíñêîãî ïîëó, êðàéíå ôèãîâî îáó÷àåìûå ;-( Îíè ïîëüçóþòñÿ âñÿ
êèìè Outglook Express-îìè è MS-Office, îíè ëþáÿò åêñåëåâñêèþ òàáëèöó ïðèêðåïèòü
ê ïèñüìó...
Òðåáóåòñÿ çàñòàâèòü èõ äåííûå ïåðåä òåì êàê ïðèêðåïèòü ê ïèñüìó ñæàòü àðõèâàòîð
îì.
Õîòåëîñü-áû ÷òî-òî (àðõèâàòîð) êîòîðîå âûçûâàåòñÿ ïî ïðàâîé êíîïêå ìûøè, (òàê ê
àê îè â îñíîâíîì ïîëüçóþò â êà÷åñòâå ôàéë-áðîóçåðà ms-explorier èëè êàê íàçûâàå
òñÿ òî, ÷òî çàïóñêàåòñÿ ïî íàæàòèþ íà "Ìîé Êîìïüþòåð") êîòîðîå èìååò äâà ðåæèìà
ðàáîòû:
1. åñëè ôàéë èìååò ðàñøèðåíèå .gz - òî ïîÿâëÿëàñü íàäïèñü "Ðàçæàòü" ïðè âûáîðå
ýòîãî ìåíþ ôàéë ïîÿâëÿëñÿ à àðõèâ ñòèðàëñÿ,
2. åñëè ðàñøèðåíèå ôàéëà íå .gz - òî ïîÿâëÿëàñü íàäïèñü "Ñæàòü" ïðè âûáîðå ôàéë
ñæèìàëñÿ è óäàëÿëñÿ, îñòàâàëñÿ òîëüêî àðõèâ.
( ðâñøèðåíèå îñîáîé ðîëè íå èãðàåò, .gz çäåñü ïðèâåäåí äëÿ ïðèìåðà )
Òî åñòü ÷åì ïðîùå òåì ëó÷øå. ×òî-áû çàäàâàë êàê ìîæíî ìåíüøå âîïðîñîâ, â èäåëàë
å - âîîáùå íå çàäàâàë. Áûë-áû freeware. Èìåë-áû ïðèåìëåìóþ ñêîðîñòü/ñòåïåíü ñæà
òèÿ (òî åñòü íà óðîâíå pkzip 2.50)
--
With best,
--¬ -
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From : Alexander Alferowich 2:5031/14 02 Jan 02 23:06:53
To : Bulat Ziganshin
Subj : rar 3
Ïðèâåò, Bulat!
Wednesday January 02 2002 â 20:55, Bulat Ziganshin ïèñàë ê All:
BZ> à ÷òî, æåíÿ óæå äåëàåò rar 3?
È òû çíàåøü, íå ïåðâûé äåíü (: Òî÷íî èçâåñòíî ëèøü òî, ÷òî îí áóäåò ðàíüøå, ÷åì
TheBat! 2.0
Âñåãî äîápîãî! (-: Alf
... It's oh so quiet ...
... Ëþáîâü ïîpî÷íà - ÿ çíàþ òî÷íî!
--- GED+386 1.1.5-20011130
* Origin: Fat Spirit of Little Spaceman (2:5031/14)
— RU.COMPRESS
From : Bulat Ziganshin 2:5093/4.126 04 Jan 02 02:13:00
To : Bulat Ziganshin
Subj : rar 3
* Originally in RU.COMPRESS
Ïðèÿòíîãî òåáå äíÿ è íåçàáûâàåìîé íî÷è, Bulat!
Wednesday January 02 2002, Bulat Ziganshin writes to All:
BZ> à ÷òî, æåíÿ óæå äåëàåò rar 3?
ìíå æåíÿ óæå ñêàçàë, ÷òî îí áóäåò îáðàòíî ñîâìåñòèì ñ rar 2.9, íî íå 2.8. ïðèêî
ëüíî. æàëü, ïðîøëè òå âðåìåíà, êîãäà ÿ îòëàä÷èêîì íàõîäèë ãëàâíûé öèêë àðõèâàòî
ðà è ÷åðåç ïîë÷àñà çíàë î í¸ì ïðàêòè÷åñêè âñ¸
Bulat, mailto:bulatzATfort.tatarstan.ru, ICQ 15872722
... Èíîãäà äëÿ òîãî, ÷òîáû èçìåíèòü ñâîå âîñïðèÿòèå ìèðà,
... ëþäè ïûòàþòñÿ èçìåíèòü ñàì ìèð
--- GoldED+/W32 1.1.2
* Origin: Ñåòåâîé ôèëüòð íà 5 áàçàðîâ (2:5093/4.126)
— RU.COMPRESS
From : Maxim Litvinov 2:5020/400 04 Jan 02 21:26:22
To : Bulat Ziganshin
Subj : Re: rar 3
From: "Maxim Litvinov" <limax@hot.ee>
"Bulat Ziganshin" wrote:
> à ÷òî, æåíÿ óæå äåëàåò rar 3?
Hó à êóäà åìó äåòüñÿ? :)
ACE íîâûé ôîðìàò âîí êîãäà ââ¸ë è ïîêà óñïåøíî ëèäèðóåò â ãîíêå ñ RAR-îì.
Hàäî æå ÷òî-òî ïðåäïðèíèìàòü? Òþíèíãîì óïàêîâêè â òåêóùèé ôîðìàò äåëî íå
âûèãðàòü, ïîýòîìó âûâîä - íóæåí íîâûé ôîðìàò è äîïîëíèòåëüíûå àëãîðèòìû
óïàêîâêè.
Hå çíàþ, îáèäèòñÿ ëè îí íà ìåíÿ, åñëè ÿ çäåñü íåêîòîðûå íîâûå ôè÷è
îïóáëèêóþ. Hàäåþñü, ÷òî íåò, ò.ê. âñå îíè âçÿòû èç rar.support è íàâåðíÿêà
îí ÷òî-íèáóäü åù¸ ïðèïàñ íà äåñåðò. :)
Ïîâòîðÿþ, ÷òî ýòî HÅÎÔÔÈÖÈÀËÜHÛÅ äàííûå.
* Äîïîëíèòåëüíûé àëãîðèòì óïàêîâêè: PPMd (íå ñîâñåì óâåðåí)
* Øèôðîâàíèå: AES
* Âîçìîæíîñòü êðèïòîâàíèÿ èì¸í è çàãîëîâêîâ ôàéëîâ â àðõèâå. Ò.å. ÷òîáû
ïîñìîòðåòü ëèñòèíã ôàéëîâ íóæíî çíàòü ïàðîëü.
* Àâòîîïðåäåëåíèå òèïà äàííûõ è ñîîòâåòñòâóþùèå ôèëüòðû èëè àëãîðèòìû äëÿ
êàæäîãî (â 2.* åñòü òîëüêî ìóëüòèìåäèà-ôèëüòð)
* Ñäâèã ìóëüòèìåäèà-îïðåäåëÿòîðà :) (ò.å. äåòåêòîðà/àíàëèçàòîðà) â ñòîðîíó
exe ôàéëîâ (èëè ëþáûõ íå-ìóëüòèìåäèà?).
* Âîçìîæíîñòü óêàçàíèÿ íåïàêóåìûõ ôàéëîâ ïî ñïèñêó ðàñøèðåíèé èëè ìàñîê.
* Hîðìàëüíûé áðàóçåð ñåòè. (???)
×òî íåêîòîðûå ëè÷íîñòè õîòÿò, íî ÷åãî HÅ áóäåò:
* Èñïîëüçîâàíèÿ êîíòåêñòíîãî ìåíþ Explorer-à
* Àññåìáëåðíîé îïòèìèçàöèè
* MMX-îïòèìèçàöèè 8-)))
* Èçìåíåíèÿ öâåòà ôîíà âî viewer-å :-( (íå óâåðåí)
* Ïðîñìîòðà RTF ôàéëîâ
* Ðàçíîîáðàçíûõ ôóíêöèé äëÿ backup-à
* Hîâûõ ïàíåëåé ñ êíîïêàìè
×òî-òî áîëüøå íå âñïîìèíàåòñÿ.
Äîïîëíèòå, åñëè êòî ÷òî çíàåò?
Êñòàòè, ñ Hîâûì Ãîäîì âñåõ!
Ìàêñèì
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From : Lev Serebryakov 2:5030/661 05 Jan 02 12:36:24
To : Maxim Litvinov
Subj : rar 3
What do you think about sharp blades, Maxim?
[Answer on] [Maxim Litvinov wrote to Bulat Ziganshin at [04 Jan 02 21:26]]:
ML> ×òî íåêîòîðûå ëè÷íîñòè õîòÿò, íî ÷åãî HÅ áóäåò:
ML> * Èñïîëüçîâàíèÿ êîíòåêñòíîãî ìåíþ Explorer-à
ML> * Èçìåíåíèÿ öâåòà ôîíà âî viewer-å :-( (íå óâåðåí)
ML> * Ïðîñìîòðà RTF ôàéëîâ
ML> * Ðàçíîîáðàçíûõ ôóíêöèé äëÿ backup-à
ML> * Hîâûõ ïàíåëåé ñ êíîïêàìè
Áëèí. Ñòðàííûå ëè÷íîñòè. À ÷òî, êòî-òî â òðåçâîì óìå è çäðàâîé ïàìÿòè èñïîëü
çóåò íå-êîíñîëüíûé (òî åñòü, ÃÓÅÂÛÉ, ÷òî áû íå çàìåíèòü áóêâó Ã íà äðóãóþ) âàðè
àíò?!
Òî÷íåå, êòî-òî, êòî ïðè ýòîì çíàåò ñëîâà RTF, backup, etc?
Remember, pain is part of pleasure, Maxim.
... À ïîëåò æóðàâëèêà òàê æå ïðÿì,/Êàê è òûñÿ÷ó ëåò íàçàä...
--- I try to be as sharp as I can
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From : Maxim Litvinov 2:5020/400 05 Jan 02 15:12:04
To : Lev Serebryakov
Subj : Re: rar 3
From: "Maxim Litvinov" <limax@hot.ee>
"Lev Serebryakov" wrote:
ML>> ×òî íåêîòîðûå ëè÷íîñòè õîòÿò, íî ÷åãî HÅ áóäåò:
ML>> * Èñïîëüçîâàíèÿ êîíòåêñòíîãî ìåíþ Explorer-à
ML>> * Èçìåíåíèÿ öâåòà ôîíà âî viewer-å :-( (íå óâåðåí)
ML>> * Ïðîñìîòðà RTF ôàéëîâ
ML>> * Ðàçíîîáðàçíûõ ôóíêöèé äëÿ backup-à
ML>> * Hîâûõ ïàíåëåé ñ êíîïêàìè
> Áëèí. Ñòðàííûå ëè÷íîñòè. À ÷òî, êòî-òî â òðåçâîì óìå è çäðàâîé ïàìÿòè
> èñïîëüçóåò íå-êîíñîëüíûé (òî åñòü, ÃÓÅÂÛÉ, ÷òî áû íå çàìåíèòü áóêâó Ã íà
> äðóãóþ) âàðèàíò?!
> Òî÷íåå, êòî-òî, êòî ïðè ýòîì çíàåò ñëîâà RTF, backup, etc?
Hó-ó-ó, äàâàé òåïåðü åù¸ ôëåéìèòü íàñ÷¸ò "êîíñîëü - ðóëåç ôîðåâà, GUI -
ñóêñü ïîãàíàÿ!" Òû ñèëüíî-òî ïàëüöû íå ðàñòîïûðèâàé.
Âî-ïåðâûõ, ÿ ãîâîðèë ïðî RAR 3.0 âîîáùå, à íå êîíñîëüíûé èëè ãóåâûé âàðèàíò.
Âî-âòîðûõ, â ãóåâîì âàðèàíòå âñ¸ ðàâíî áóäóò âñå ôè÷è ïðèñóòñòâóþùèå â
êîíñîëüíîé âåðñèè.
Â-òðåòüèõ, à ïî÷åìó òàêèõ ëè÷íîñòåé íå ìîæåò áûòü "â òðåçâîì óìå è çäðàâîé
ïàìÿòè"? Ýòî ÷òî, íàåçä? Hó åñòü òàêèå! Hó ÷òî òû ïîäåëàåøü? ß, íàïðèìåð,
êîíñîëü òåðïåòü íåíàâèæó! È òåì íå ìåíåå ÿ òîò, êòî "çíàåò ñëîâà RTF,
backup, etc".  ÷àñòíîñòè èìåþ íà äåñêòîïå ÿðëûê íà áýêàï íîâûõ ôàéëîâ èç
ïàïêè /Projects â àðõèâ ñ èìåíåì ñîîòâåòñòâóþùèì äàòå è ïðåäïî÷èòàþ RTF -
DOC-ó. Êñòàòè, RTF ïîääåðæèâàåò ïðàêòè÷åñêè âñ¸, ÷òî ìîæåò áûòü â DOC,
îäíàêî Micro$oft-îâñêèé RichEdit - ýòî êàñòðèðîâàííûé óáëþäîê, êîòîðûé íå
ïîääåðæèâàåò ïîëîâèíó ôè÷ RTF-ôîðìàòà.
Ìàêñèì
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From : Denis Rybakov 2:5052/4.15 05 Jan 02 16:00:22
To : All
Subj : compress tools
Ïîñîâåòóéòå áèáëèîòåêó (êðàéíå íåîáõîäèìî, ÷òîáû èìåëèñü èñõîäíèêè),
äëÿ ïàêîâêè äàííûõ.
Æåëàòåëüíî, ÷òîáû ýòè èñõîäíèêè áûëè ñâîáîäíûìè (íî íå îáÿçàòåëüíî).
Ñëûøàë, ÷òî áûëî òàêîå íà áàçå zip'a.
Hóæíî òî÷íîå íàçâàíèå ïàêåòà, ëèáî (ëó÷øå) ñðàçó url.
--- GoldED+/386 1.1.5-20011130 (OS/2)
* Origin: Magic Of Eternity (2:5052/4.15)
— RU.COMPRESS
From : Evgeny Sharandin 2:5020/755.12 05 Jan 02 18:14:00
To : Maxim Litvinov
Subj : rar 3
Reply-To: shar@nep.cplire.ru
Ïðèâåò Maxim!
04 ÿíâàðÿ 2002 ãîäà (à áûëî òîãäà 21:26)
Maxim Litvinov â ñâîåì ïèñüìå ê Bulat Ziganshin ïèñàë:
ML> ×òî íåêîòîðûå ëè÷íîñòè õîòÿò, íî ÷åãî HÅ áóäåò:
ML> * MMX-îïòèìèçàöèè 8-)))
À ïî÷åìó áû è íåò?
icl /Qx /QaxiMKW. È SSE/SSE2 ïîÿâèòñÿ àâòîìàòîì, çàîäíî è îïòèìèçàöèÿ ïîä âñå
èíòåëîâñêèå ïðîöû. Ðàçìåðû ñàìîãî àðõèâàòîðà òîëüêî íåñêîëüêî âîçðàñòóò, íî è
ñêîðîñòü ðàáîòû íà Ï4 ìîæåò âîçðàñòè â ðàçû.
Ñ óâàæåíèåì, Evgeny 05 ÿíâàðÿ 2002 ãîäà
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From : Bulat Ziganshin 2:5093/4.126 05 Jan 02 23:21:10
To : Maxim Litvinov
Subj : rar 3
* Originally in RU.COMPRESS
Ïðèÿòíîãî òåáå äíÿ è íåçàáûâàåìîé íî÷è, Maxim!
Saturday January 05 2002, Maxim Litvinov writes to Lev Serebryakov:
ML> Hó-ó-ó, äàâàé òåïåðü åù¸ ôëåéìèòü íàñ÷¸ò "êîíñîëü - ðóëåç ôîðåâà, GUI
êîíñîëü - ðóëåç ôîðåâà
Bulat, mailto:bulatz-AT-fort.tatarstan.ru, ICQ: work 15872722, home 11849833
... Èíîãäà äëÿ òîãî, ÷òîáû èçìåíèòü ñâîå âîñïðèÿòèå ìèðà,
... ëþäè ïûòàþòñÿ èçìåíèòü ñàì ìèð
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From : Bulat Ziganshin 2:5093/4.126 06 Jan 02 00:03:23
To : Evgeny Sharandin
Subj : rar 3
* Originally in RU.COMPRESS
Ïðèÿòíîãî òåáå äíÿ è íåçàáûâàåìîé íî÷è, Evgeny!
Saturday January 05 2002, Evgeny Sharandin writes to Maxim Litvinov:
ES> icl /Qx /QaxiMKW. È SSE/SSE2 ïîÿâèòñÿ àâòîìàòîì, çàîäíî è îïòèìèçàöèÿ
ES> ïîä âñå èíòåëîâñêèå ïðîöû. Ðàçìåðû ñàìîãî àðõèâàòîðà òîëüêî íåñêîëüêî
ES> âîçðàñòóò, íî è ñêîðîñòü ðàáîòû íà Ï4 ìîæåò âîçðàñòè â ðàçû.
ïðîâåäè ýêñïåðèìåíòû íà çèïå, à? âäðóã è âïðàâäà ñêîðîñòü âîçðàñò¸ò â ðàçû
Bulat, mailto:bulatz-AT-fort.tatarstan.ru, ICQ: work 15872722, home 11849833
... Èíîãäà äëÿ òîãî, ÷òîáû èçìåíèòü ñâîå âîñïðèÿòèå ìèðà,
... ëþäè ïûòàþòñÿ èçìåíèòü ñàì ìèð
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From : Evgeny Sharandin 2:5020/755.12 06 Jan 02 03:42:00
To : Bulat Ziganshin
Subj : rar 3
Reply-To: shar@nep.cplire.ru
Ïðèâåò Bulat!
06 ÿíâàðÿ 2002 ãîäà (à áûëî òîãäà 00:03)
Bulat Ziganshin â ñâîåì ïèñüìå ê Evgeny Sharandin ïèñàë:
ES>> icl /Qx /QaxiMKW. È SSE/SSE2 ïîÿâèòñÿ àâòîìàòîì, çàîäíî è
ES>> îïòèìèçàöèÿ ïîä âñå èíòåëîâñêèå ïðîöû. Ðàçìåðû ñàìîãî àðõèâàòîðà
ES>> òîëüêî íåñêîëüêî âîçðàñòóò, íî è ñêîðîñòü ðàáîòû íà Ï4 ìîæåò
ES>> âîçðàñòè â ðàçû.
BZ> ïðîâåäè ýêñïåðèìåíòû íà çèïå, à? âäðóã è âïðàâäà ñêîðîñòü âîçðàñò¸ò â
BZ> ðàçû
Ïíÿ 4 íåò ïîä ðóêîé. Hî âîò ÷òî ïðîáîâàë ïðè ñëó÷àå: HeapSort äëÿ äâóõ ðàçìåðîâ
áàéòîâñêèõ ìàññèâîâ - 16Ê è 2ÌÁ. Äâà êîìïèëÿòîðà, gcc v.2.95.2 (MinGW) è Intel
C 5.01
gcc -Os -fschedule-insns -funroll-all-loops -malign-functions=6 -mcpu=i386
icl /Qip /Ox /Qsfalign- /QaxiMKW
Ðåçóëüòàòû â MIPS-àõ
gcc icl
iPmmx-233, 16K 159 219
2M 113 131
iP4-1400 16K 747 1790
2M 449 674
Hà ïëàâó÷êå ðàçíèöà êóäà áîëüøå, äà è ýòîò ïðèìåð "íå ñîâñåì òî". Äëÿ
àðõèâàòîðîâ îò SSE ïîëüçà òîëüêî â data prefetch.
Ðåçóëüòàòû ïî gzip ìîæíî íàéòè â SPEC-àõ. K7-ãî SSE ïðèøïîðèëî íà gzip áîëåå
20%, íà bzip îêîëî 7%. Ðåçóëüòàòîâ äëÿ P4-ãî áåç èñïîëüçîâàíèÿ SSE íå íàøëîñü.
Hå ðàçû, íî è îò "äàðìîâûõ" 20% îòêàçûâàòüñÿ áåç âåñòêèõ íà òî îñíîâàíèé íå
ñòîèò. Åñëè æå ó÷åñòü, ÷òî Intel C ìîæåò çàïèõíóòü â îäèí exe-øíèê
îïòèìèçèðîâàííûé ñðàçó ïîä âñå êàìíè êîä, òî âûèãðûø ìîæåò áûòü åùå çàìåòíåå.
Ñ óâàæåíèåì, Evgeny 06 ÿíâàðÿ 2002 ãîäà
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From : Maxim Litvinov 2:5020/400 06 Jan 02 16:28:16
To : Bulat Ziganshin
Subj : Re: rar 3
From: "Maxim Litvinov" <limax@hot.ee>
"Bulat Ziganshin" wrote
ML>> Hó-ó-ó, äàâàé òåïåðü åù¸ ôëåéìèòü íàñ÷¸ò "êîíñîëü - ðóëåç ôîðåâà, GUI
>
> êîíñîëü - ðóëåç ôîðåâà
È íå ñòûäíî? Òåáå-òî...
Ìàêñèì
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From : Vlad Vork 2:450/102.2 06 Jan 02 17:50:57
To : Evgeny Sharandin
Subj : MMX
Çäpàâñòâyéòå Evgeny!
ML>> ×òî íåêîòîpûå ëè÷íîñòè õîòÿò, íî ÷åãî HÅ áyäåò:
ML>> * MMX-îïòèìèçàöèè 8-)))
ES> À ïî÷åìy áû è íåò? icl /Qx /QaxiMKW.
à ÷òî êîíêpåòíî äåëàåò ýòà icl ? îáüÿñíèòå ÷àéíèêy, ïëñ.
ES> È SSE/SSE2 ïîÿâèòñÿ àâòîìàòîì, çàîäíî è îïòèìèçàöèÿ ïîä âñå
ES> èíòåëîâñêèå ïpîöû. Ðàçìåpû ñàìîãî àpõèâàòîpà òîëüêî íåñêîëüêî
ES> âîçpàñòyò, íî è ñêîpîñòü pàáîòû íà Ï4 ìîæåò âîçpàñòè â pàçû.
à ÷òî áyäåò íà ñòàpûõ Ïåíòèyìàõ, íàïpèìåp ñàìûõ ïåpâûõ ñ ÌÌÕ ?
P.S. Â ïîääåpæêy ÌÌÕ-îïòèìèçàöèè - ïàpy ôîpâàpäîâ
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from www.ddj.com/topics/compression/
Intel's PII Inverse DCT Application Notes.
Intel has a nice document showing how one can optimize the inverse DCT
when running on processors with the MMX instructions, such as the Pentium II.
Listings include code you can drop into the Independent JPEG Group's library.
cedar.intel.com/cgi-bin/ids.dll/content/content.jsp?cntKey=Legacy::irt_8
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Îò:Malcolm Taylor (mtaylor@clear.net.nz)
Çàãîëîâîê:Re: Faster rangecoder
View: Complete Thread (13 articles) | Original Format
×èñëî:2001-10-24 01:15:36 PST
Mikael Lundqvist <mikael.lundqvist@spray.se> wrote:
>I must admit that I've not tested on alphabets with more symbols than
>256. I guess that your interest for e.g. a 2048 symbol alphabet is
>because of your PPM(Z).
Actually I am looking at it for a LZ coder, but I have often used
order-0 models with alphabets larger than 256. Of course for some
distributions you can easily tailor a sort of heirarchical model using
several order-0 models in order to reduce the alphabet size of each
(ie. code from one model, then conditionally choose to code from
another for the remaining bits)
>I've been considering to experiment with something that could learn along
>the way. But this means more code == possibly slower code.
Stick a PPMCB coder and use it to predict the next symbol :) Hmm...
kindof defeats the purpose :))
>According to Dmitry can't BIT be used with PPM though because of symbol
>exclusions.
>He's using a sorted array instead, he said.
Yep, in PPM most of the contexts only have a few characters in them so
scanning an array is not really to difficult. By sorting the array on
frequency you are more likely to scan a short distance to get your
cumfreq.
Possibly if you were doing PPM on very large alphabets then the BIT
would be useful, but it would be a fine line as each exclusion would
be O(log n) just like the search for the cumfreq.
>I abandoned programming in assembler a decade ago.
>I thought it could be useful on an 8 MHz Atari. ;-)
>I realize that MMX may be poorly utilized in most modern compilers, but
>why bother with a machine as quick as yours?
>Perhaps it's more clever to choose a shorter road than to choose a faster
>car?
Well, please convince all RK uses to accept the current speed then :))
I have found MMX to be able to create some large gains on specific
code (like this), and it helps to be accessing memory in 64bit chunks
as well (especially on very modern CPUs). It is not difficult to code
two versions, one PC specific and the other generic.
Of course, I realise you are probably not interested in an MMX
version. However it would be an interesting indicator of the
algorithms performance potential.
>> PS. Kindof reminds me of the old quick sort vs. bubble sort argument
>Not even the great "divide and conquer", quicksort is the best choice in
>*every* case.
>E.g. small amount of data elements to sort or if data is almost sorted
>already.
I've always met both sides of the argument. Bubblesort is terribly
easy to write, and it has such low overhead that it tends to be faster
than qsort for small N. Of course it is hard to beat qsort for
anything else :) (Not to mention the ease of implementation for linked
list data structures......)
Malcolm
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From : Vladimir V NATROV 2:5055/124 06 Jan 02 21:42:28
To : All
Subj : BioArc 1.92
Ïpèÿòíî ïîîáùàòüñÿ All!
Ñêà÷àë ñàáæ, ïîñòàâèë è ïîòåñòèpîâàë íà ÄÎÑ-òåêñòàõ. Ðåçyëüòàò ïpåâçîø¸ë îæ
èäàíèÿ (ìîè, êîíå÷íî ;): íà òåêñòàõ ýòîò àpõèâàòîp "ñäåëàë" è RK, è SBC è 7Zip.
Êòî ÷òî ïpî íåãî ìîæåò pàññêàçàòü?
P.S. ß íå ïpîôè - èíòåpåñyþùèéñÿ :).
Ñ yâàæåíèåì ìàøy py÷êîé:"Äî íîâîãî êîííåêòà, All!" OS/2 the best!
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From : Anton Kulikov 2:5030/1181.5 06 Jan 02 22:36:14
To : All
Subj : boa
Ïpèâåò all!
Hàòêíyëñÿ òyò íà î÷åíü ëþáîïûòíyþ âåùèöy
-+- BOA Constrictor Archiver v0.58b -----------------------------------------
-+- Copyright (c) 1997-98 Ian Sutton. All Rights Reserved.
×òî ìíå â íåé ïîípàâèëîñü, òàê ýòî òî ÷òî îíà î÷åíü ñèëüíî æìåò òåêñòû, íàì
íîãî ñèëüíåå ÷åì ha (ïpàâäà î÷åíü ìåäëåííî ïàêyåò/pàñïàêyåò), òàê âîò âîïpîñ: ý
òîò ïpîåêò pàçâèâàåòñÿ äàëüøå èëè õîòÿ áû pàçâèëñÿ äàëüøå áåòà âåpñèè?
ÇÛ Ïîäñêàæèòå ÷òî-íèòü ïîäîáíîå äëÿ ñæèìàíèÿ òåêñòîâ, æåëàòåëüíî ëy÷øå è áûñòpå
å.
Anton
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From : Bulat Ziganshin 2:5093/4.126 06 Jan 02 23:03:36
To : Evgeny Sharandin
Subj : rar 3
* Originally in RU.COMPRESS
Ïðèÿòíîãî òåáå äíÿ è íåçàáûâàåìîé íî÷è, Evgeny!
Sunday January 06 2002, Evgeny Sharandin writes to Bulat Ziganshin:
ES> Hà ïëàâó÷êå ðàçíèöà êóäà áîëüøå, äà è ýòîò ïðèìåð "íå ñîâñåì òî". Äëÿ
ES> àðõèâàòîðîâ îò SSE ïîëüçà òîëüêî â data prefetch.
òàê sse è data prefetch - ýòî óæå îäíî è òîæå? äàà, ïðîãðåññ íå ñòîèò íà ìåñòå
Bulat, mailto:bulatz-AT-fort.tatarstan.ru, ICQ: work 15872722, home 11849833
... Èíîãäà äëÿ òîãî, ÷òîáû èçìåíèòü ñâîå âîñïðèÿòèå ìèðà,
... ëþäè ïûòàþòñÿ èçìåíèòü ñàì ìèð
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From : Bulat Ziganshin 2:5093/4.126 07 Jan 02 01:07:19
To : Vladimir V Natrov
Subj : BioArc 1.92
* Originally in RU.COMPRESS
Ïðèÿòíîãî òåáå äíÿ è íåçàáûâàåìîé íî÷è, Vladimir!
Sunday January 06 2002, Vladimir V NATROV writes to All:
VN> Ñêà÷àë ñàáæ, ïîñòàâèë è ïîòåñòèpîâàë íà ÄÎÑ-òåêñòàõ. Ðåçyëüòàò
VN> ïpåâçîø¸ë îæèäàíèÿ (ìîè, êîíå÷íî ;): íà òåêñòàõ ýòîò àpõèâàòîp
VN> "ñäåëàë" è RK, è SBC è 7Zip. Êòî ÷òî ïpî íåãî ìîæåò pàññêàçàòü?
VN> P.S. ß íå ïpîôè - èíòåpåñyþùèéñÿ :).
ðàñïàêîâûâàåò? íàâåðíî, áèîòåõíîëîãèè îò ñàìóíã :)
Bulat, mailto:bulatz-AT-fort.tatarstan.ru, ICQ: work 15872722, home 11849833
... Èíîãäà äëÿ òîãî, ÷òîáû èçìåíèòü ñâîå âîñïðèÿòèå ìèðà,
... ëþäè ïûòàþòñÿ èçìåíèòü ñàì ìèð
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From : Dmitry Shkarin 2:5020/400 07 Jan 02 01:48:34
To : Evgeny Sharandin
Subj : Re: rar 3
From: "Dmitry Shkarin" <dmitry.shkarin@mtu-net.ru>
Hi, Evgeny!
> Ïíÿ 4 íåò ïîä ðóêîé. Hî âîò ÷òî ïðîáîâàë ïðè ñëó÷àå: HeapSort äëÿ äâóõ
ðàçìåðîâ
> áàéòîâñêèõ ìàññèâîâ - 16Ê è 2ÌÁ. Äâà êîìïèëÿòîðà, gcc v.2.95.2 (MinGW) è
Intel
> C 5.01
[skip]
Àãà, à ñ êàêèì-íèáóäü LatticeC ðàçíèöà áûëà-áû åùå áîëåå ðàçèòåëüíîé.
Ýòî íå èç-çà íîâûõ ïðîöåññîðíûõ èíñòðóêöèé, à ïðîñòî IntelC - õîðîøèé
êîìïàéëåð. Êàê îáû÷íî, ÷åì êà÷åñòâåííåé êîä - òåì ìåíüøå ðàçíèöà ìåæäó
õîðîøèì è ñëàáûì êîìïàéëåðîì.
> Ðåçóëüòàòû ïî gzip ìîæíî íàéòè â SPEC-àõ. K7-ãî SSE ïðèøïîðèëî íà gzip
áîëåå
> 20%, íà bzip îêîëî 7%. Ðåçóëüòàòîâ äëÿ P4-ãî áåç èñïîëüçîâàíèÿ SSE íå
íàøëîñü.
> Hå ðàçû, íî è îò "äàðìîâûõ" 20% îòêàçûâàòüñÿ áåç âåñòêèõ íà òî îñíîâàíèé
íå
> ñòîèò. Åñëè æå ó÷åñòü, ÷òî Intel C ìîæåò çàïèõíóòü â îäèí exe-øíèê
> îïòèìèçèðîâàííûé ñðàçó ïîä âñå êàìíè êîä, òî âûèãðûø ìîæåò áûòü åùå
çàìåòíåå.
GZIP/BZIP (êàê è ëþáîé íîðìàëüíûé êîìïðåññîð) íå èñïîëüçóþò ïëàâàþùóþ
òî÷êó è SSE/SSE2 äëÿ íèõ áåñïîëåçíî. MMX (è ïðèìêíóâøèé ê íåìó 3DLater!)
îðèåíòèðîâàíû íà ïàðàëëåëüíîå âûïîëíåíèå îïåðàöèé, ÷åãî íå áûâàåò â
áåçïîòåðüíûõ àëãîðèòìàõ ñæàòèÿ, òàì îáðàáîòêà êàæäîãî áàéòà çàâèñèò îò
ðåçóëüòàòîâ îáðàáîòêè ïðåäûäóùåãî áàéòà.
> Åñëè æå ó÷åñòü, ÷òî Intel C ìîæåò çàïèõíóòü â îäèí exe-øíèê
> îïòèìèçèðîâàííûé ñðàçó ïîä âñå êàìíè êîä, òî âûèãðûø ìîæåò áûòü åùå
çàìåòíåå.
Ïðè ýòîì åêçåøíèê ñèëüíî ðàñïóõàåò, èç-çà ýòîãî è èç-çà ïîñòîÿííûõ
ïðîâåðîê òèïà "êàêîé òàì ó íàñ íûí÷å ïðîö", íèêàêîãî âûèãðûøà, êàê ïðàâèëî,
íå ïðîèñõîäèò.
Ðîæäåñòâåíñêèå ñêàçêè... (ñ Ðîæäåñòâîì, êñòàòè ;-))
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From : Evgeny Sharandin 2:5020/755.12 07 Jan 02 05:57:00
To : Bulat Ziganshin
Subj : rar 3
Reply-To: shar@nep.cplire.ru
Ïðèâåò Bulat!
06 ÿíâàðÿ 2002 ãîäà (à áûëî òîãäà 23:03)
Bulat Ziganshin â ñâîåì ïèñüìå ê Evgeny Sharandin ïèñàë:
ES>> Hà ïëàâó÷êå ðàçíèöà êóäà áîëüøå, äà è ýòîò ïðèìåð "íå ñîâñåì òî".
ES>> Äëÿ àðõèâàòîðîâ îò SSE ïîëüçà òîëüêî â data prefetch.
BZ> òàê sse è data prefetch - ýòî óæå îäíî è òîæå? äàà, ïðîãðåññ íå ñòîèò
BZ> íà ìåñòå
Ôàêòè÷åñêè òàê è åñòü.
IA-32 Intel Architecture Software Developers Manual. Volume 1 :Basic
Architecture (24547004.pdf).
SSE INSTRUCTIONS:
- SIMD single-precision floating-point instructions that operate on the XMM
registers.
- MXSCR state management instructions.
- 64-bit SIMD integer instructions that operate on the MMX registers.
- Cacheability control, prefetch, and instruction ordering instructions.
SSE2 INSTRUCTIONS:
- Packed and scalar double-precision floating-point instructions.
- Packed single-precision floating-point conversion instructions.
- 128-bit SIMD integer instructions.
- Cacheability-control and instruction ordering instructions.
Ñ óâàæåíèåì, Evgeny 07 ÿíâàðÿ 2002 ãîäà
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From : Evgeny Sharandin 2:5020/755.12 07 Jan 02 06:06:00
To : Dmitry Shkarin
Subj : rar 3
Reply-To: shar@nep.cplire.ru
Ïðèâåò Dmitry!
07 ÿíâàðÿ 2002 ãîäà (à áûëî òîãäà 01:48)
Dmitry Shkarin â ñâîåì ïèñüìå ê Evgeny Sharandin ïèñàë:
DS> [skip]
DS> Àãà, à ñ êàêèì-íèáóäü LatticeC ðàçíèöà áûëà-áû åùå áîëåå
DS> ðàçèòåëüíîé. Ýòî íå èç-çà íîâûõ ïðîöåññîðíûõ èíñòðóêöèé, à ïðîñòî
DS> IntelC - õîðîøèé êîìïàéëåð. Êàê îáû÷íî, ÷åì êà÷åñòâåííåé êîä - òåì
DS> ìåíüøå ðàçíèöà ìåæäó õîðîøèì è ñëàáûì êîìïàéëåðîì.
×òî áûëî, òî è ïðèâåë. Hî åñëè òû çàìåòèë, íà iP1 ðàçíèöà ìåæäó gcc è ic îêîëî
20% (íà ipII, êñòàòè, åùå ìåíüøå), òîãäà êàê íà iP4 áîëåå 2-õ ðàç.
>> Ðåçóëüòàòû ïî gzip ìîæíî íàéòè â SPEC-àõ. K7-ãî SSE ïðèøïîðèëî íà
>> gzip áîëåå 20%, íà bzip îêîëî 7%. Ðåçóëüòàòîâ äëÿ P4-ãî áåç
>> èñïîëüçîâàíèÿ SSE íå íàøëîñü.
>> Hå ðàçû, íî è îò "äàðìîâûõ" 20% îòêàçûâàòüñÿ áåç âåñòêèõ íà òî
>> îñíîâàíèé íå ñòîèò. Åñëè æå ó÷åñòü, ÷òî Intel C ìîæåò çàïèõíóòü â îäèí
>> exe-øíèê îïòèìèçèðîâàííûé ñðàçó ïîä âñå êàìíè êîä, òî âûèãðûø ìîæåò
>> áûòü åùå çàìåòíåå.
DS> GZIP/BZIP (êàê è ëþáîé íîðìàëüíûé êîìïðåññîð) íå èñïîëüçóþò
DS> ïëàâàþùóþ òî÷êó è SSE/SSE2 äëÿ íèõ áåñïîëåçíî.
Îäíàêî ðåçóëüòàòû ãîâîðÿò îá îáðàòíîì. Äà è â ñîñòàâ SSE âõîäÿò íå òîëüêî
èíñòðóêöèè ñ ïëàâàþùåé òî÷êîé, íî åùå è èíñòðóêöèè, óïðàâëÿþùèå ïðåäâàðèòåëüíîé
ïîäãðóçêîé äàííûõ/êîäà â êåø, âûðàâíèâàíèåì, îïòèìèçàöèè öèêëîâ è ïð. - à îíè
ïîëåçíû âñåì.
DS> MMX (è ïðèìêíóâøèé ê íåìó 3DLater!)
Ñàì ÌÌÕ íà ïîìîéêó. Hî, îäíàêî, êîìïèëÿòîðû, ïîääåðæèâàþùèå àâòîìàòè÷åñêóþ
ïîääåðæêó SIMD èíñòðóêöèé íåïëîõî ìîãóò âåêòîðèçîâàòü êîä. À âîò ýòî óæå
êîå-÷òî. Òîò æå Intel C èëè PGI C òîìó íåïëîõîé ïðèìåð.
>> Åñëè æå ó÷åñòü, ÷òî Intel C ìîæåò çàïèõíóòü â îäèí exe-øíèê
>> îïòèìèçèðîâàííûé ñðàçó ïîä âñå êàìíè êîä, òî âûèãðûø ìîæåò
>> áûòü åùå çàìåòíåå.
DS> Ïðè ýòîì åêçåøíèê ñèëüíî ðàñïóõàåò,
Ðàñïóõàåò, èíîãäà è ðàçà â 2. Hî ýòî êóäà ëó÷øå, ÷åì íåñêîëüêî exe-øíèêîâ èëè
æàëîá, ÷òî äâóõòûñÿ÷íûé ïåíü-4 ñëèâàåò ïÿòèñîòîìó öåëåðîíó (óòðèðîâàíî, êîíå÷íî
æå).
DS> èç-çà ýòîãî è èç-çà ïîñòîÿííûõ ïðîâåðîê òèïà "êàêîé òàì ó íàñ íûí÷å
DS> ïðîö", íèêàêîãî âûèãðûøà, êàê ïðàâèëî, íå ïðîèñõîäèò.
À ðàçâå íå îäèí ðàç, ïðè ñòàðòå?
DS> Ðîæäåñòâåíñêèå ñêàçêè... (ñ Ðîæäåñòâîì, êñòàòè ;-))
Ñïàñèáî, òåáÿ è âñåõ òàê æå. ;)
Ñ óâàæåíèåì, Evgeny 07 ÿíâàðÿ 2002 ãîäà
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From : Bulat Ziganshin 2:5093/4.126 07 Jan 02 15:04:30
To : Vlad Vork
Subj : MMX
* Originally in RU.COMPRESS
Ïðèÿòíîãî òåáå äíÿ è íåçàáûâàåìîé íî÷è, Vlad!
Sunday January 06 2002, Vlad Vork writes to Evgeny Sharandin:
VV> P.S. Â ïîääåpæêy ÌÌÕ-îïòèìèçàöèè - ïàpy ôîpâàpäîâ
VV> Intel's PII Inverse DCT Application Notes.
äà, ïî ñëóõàì â rar3 áóäåò èñïîëüçîâàíî èìåííî DCT ñ îïòèìèçàöèåé ïîä SSE3
VV> I have found MMX to be able to create some large gains on specific
VV> code (like this), and it helps to be accessing memory in 64bit chunks
VV> as well (especially on very modern CPUs). It is not difficult to code
VV> two versions, one PC specific and the other generic.
÷òî êîíêðåòíî óñêîðÿåòñÿ ÿ òàê è íå ïîíÿë. ìîæåò, ðå÷ü êàê ðàç î ïðåäâûáîðêå â
êåø?
Bulat, mailto:bulatz-AT-fort.tatarstan.ru, ICQ: work 15872722, home 11849833
... Èíîãäà äëÿ òîãî, ÷òîáû èçìåíèòü ñâîå âîñïðèÿòèå ìèðà,
... ëþäè ïûòàþòñÿ èçìåíèòü ñàì ìèð
--- GoldED+/W32 1.1.2
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— RU.COMPRESS
From : Paul Konev 2:463/1124.977 07 Jan 02 21:15:00
To : Anton Kulikov
Subj : boa
Ïðèâåò Anton!
06 Jan 02 22:36, Anton Kulikov -> All:
AK> -+- BOA Constrictor Archiver v0.58b
AK> ------------------------------------------+- Copyright (c) 1997-98 Ian
AK> Sutton. All Rights Reserved.
AK> ×òî ìíå â íåé ïîípàâèëîñü, òàê ýòî òî ÷òî îíà î÷åíü ñèëüíî æìåò
AK> òåêñòû, íàìíîãî ñèëüíåå ÷åì ha (ïpàâäà î÷åíü ìåäëåííî ïàêyåò/pàñïàêyåò),
AK> òàê âîò âîïpîñ: ýòîò ïpîåêò pàçâèâàåòñÿ äàëüøå èëè õîòÿ áû pàçâèëñÿ
AK> äàëüøå áåòà âåpñèè?
Ïî-ìîåìó - íåò. Ýòà âåðñèÿ áûëà ïîñëåäíÿÿ ÈÌÕÎ.
AK> ÇÛ Ïîäñêàæèòå ÷òî-íèòü ïîäîáíîå äëÿ ñæèìàíèÿ òåêñòîâ, æåëàòåëüíî ëy÷øå è
AK> áûñòpåå.
RK - äîâîëüíî ìåäëåííûé, íî æì¸ò êðóòî.
7ZIP - áûñòðûé (äëÿ òåêñòà þçàé ÏÏÌÄ) è æì¸ò çàìå÷àòåëüíî.
Paul
... Îòñóòñòâèå çàêîíà íå îñâîáîæäàåò îò îòâåòñòâåííîñòè
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From : Bulat Ziganshin 2:5093/4.126 08 Jan 02 01:03:10
To : Evgeny Sharandin
Subj : rar 3
* Originally in RU.COMPRESS
Ïðèÿòíîãî òåáå äíÿ è íåçàáûâàåìîé íî÷è, Evgeny!
Monday January 07 2002, Evgeny Sharandin writes to Bulat Ziganshin:
ES> - Cacheability control, prefetch, and instruction ordering
ES> instructions.
ñïàñèáî, íå çíàë
Bulat, mailto:bulatz-AT-fort.tatarstan.ru, ICQ: work 15872722, home 11849833
... Èíîãäà äëÿ òîãî, ÷òîáû èçìåíèòü ñâîå âîñïðèÿòèå ìèðà,
... ëþäè ïûòàþòñÿ èçìåíèòü ñàì ìèð
--- GoldED+/W32 1.1.2
* Origin: Ñåòåâîé ôèëüòð íà 5 áàçàðîâ (2:5093/4.126)
— RU.COMPRESS
From : Bulat Ziganshin 2:5093/4.126 08 Jan 02 01:03:24
To : Evgeny Sharandin
Subj : rar 3
* Originally in RU.COMPRESS
Ïðèÿòíîãî òåáå äíÿ è íåçàáûâàåìîé íî÷è, Evgeny!
Monday January 07 2002, Evgeny Sharandin writes to Dmitry Shkarin:
ES> Ñàì ÌÌÕ íà ïîìîéêó. Hî, îäíàêî, êîìïèëÿòîðû, ïîääåðæèâàþùèå
ES> àâòîìàòè÷åñêóþ ïîääåðæêó SIMD èíñòðóêöèé íåïëîõî ìîãóò âåêòîðèçîâàòü
ES> êîä. À âîò ýòî óæå êîå-÷òî. Òîò æå Intel C èëè PGI C òîìó íåïëîõîé
ìû âñ¸ åù¸ íå çàáûëè, ãäå íàõîäèìñÿ? áüþñü îá çàêëàä, ÷òî òû â ãëàçà longest_ma
tch íå âèäåë. ÿ ìîæåò è ãëóïåå êîìïèëÿòîðà, íî âåêòîðèçîâàòü åãî íå ñìîãó
Bulat, mailto:bulatz-AT-fort.tatarstan.ru, ICQ: work 15872722, home 11849833
... Èíîãäà äëÿ òîãî, ÷òîáû èçìåíèòü ñâîå âîñïðèÿòèå ìèðà,
... ëþäè ïûòàþòñÿ èçìåíèòü ñàì ìèð
--- GoldED+/W32 1.1.2
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— RU.COMPRESS
From : Anton Kulikov 2:5030/1181.5 08 Jan 02 02:03:30
To : Paul Konev
Subj : boa
Ïpèâåò Paul!
PK> RK - äîâîëüíî ìåäëåííûé, íî æì¸ò êpyòî.
PK> 7ZIP - áûñòpûé (äëÿ òåêñòà þçàé ÏÏÌÄ) è æì¸ò çàìå÷àòåëüíî.
Îòêyäà ìîíà ñêà÷àòü?
Anton
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From : Vlad Vork 2:450/102.2 08 Jan 02 12:03:10
To : Bulat Ziganshin
Subj : MMX
Ïpûâiòaííe Bulat!
VV>> Intel's PII Inverse DCT Application Notes.
BZ> äà, ïî ñëyõàì â rar3 áyäåò èñïîëüçîâàíî èìåííî DCT ñ îïòèìèçàöèåé ïîä
BZ> SSE3
à âîò Øêàpèí, äåëîì äîêàçàâøèé ñâîé àâòîpèòåò â êîìïpåññèè, yòâåpæäàåò çäåñü, ñ
âåñüìà pàçyìíî âûãëÿäÿùèìè äîâîäàìè, ÷òî â áåçïîòåpüíûõ àpõèâàòîpàõ íè÷åãî
òàêîãî ñäåëàòü íåëüçÿ.
DCT êàê ÿ ïîíÿë - îápàòíîå äèñêpåòíî-êîñèíyñíîå ïpåîápàçîâàíèå. ß ïpèìåpíî
ñëûøàë, êàê îíî ïpèìåíÿòñÿ â JPEG, íî çà÷åì îíî Rar-y ? ×òî è êàê îíî áyäåò
yñêîpÿòü? Ìîæíî ëè ýòî èñïîëüçîâàòü â äpyãèõ ìåòîäàõ ñæàòèÿ?
(ÿ êñòàòè âèäåë MMX-âåpñèþ png-crush.exe - äîæèìàëüùèêà ôàéëîâ ãpàôèêè png, òàì
âpîäå áû ZIP-ñæàòèå. Êòî-íèáyäü çíàåò - ÷òî òàì äåëàåò ÌÌÕ ?)
VV>> I have found MMX to be able to create some large gains on
VV>> specific code (like this), and it helps to be accessing memory in
VV>> 64bit chunks as well (especially on very modern CPUs). It is not
VV>> difficult to code two versions, one PC specific and the other
VV>> generic.
BZ> ÷òî êîíêpåòíî yñêîpÿåòñÿ ÿ òàê è íå ïîíÿë. ìîæåò, på÷ü êàê pàç î
BZ> ïpåäâûáîpêå â êåø?
ß ïîëíûé ÷àéíèê â ñæàòèè, è ê ýòîé òåìå îápàòèëñÿ ëèøü âûíyæäåííî, ïîýòîìy äàæå
åñëè ïîïpîøy Òýéëîpà pàñêàçàòü ïîäpîáíîñòè, òî íàâåpíîå íå ñìîãy ïîíÿòü åãî
îòâåòû. Hàâåpíîå, ïpîôåññèîíàëàì ëy÷øå ñàìèì åãî ñïpàøèâàòü (è pàññêàçûâàòü î
påçyëüòàòàõ â ýõå, ÷òîá âñåì ïîëüçà áûëà).
Ç ïaâaãaé, Vlad.
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From : Vadim Yoockin 2:5020/1042.50 08 Jan 02 13:11:53
To : All
Subj : Re: BioArc 1.92
From: "Vadim Yoockin" <vy@thermosyn.com>
Hi,
Vladimir V NATROV <Vladimir.V.NATROV@f124.n5055.z2.fidonet.org> ñîîáùèë â
íîâîñòÿõ ñëåäóþùåå:1010353366@f124.n5055.z2.ftn...
> Ñêà÷àë ñàáæ, ïîñòàâèë è ïîòåñòèpîâàë íà ÄÎÑ-òåêñòàõ. Ðåçyëüòàò
ïpåâçîø¸ë
> îæèäàíèÿ (ìîè, êîíå÷íî ;): íà òåêñòàõ ýòîò àpõèâàòîp "ñäåëàë" è RK, è SBC
è
> 7Zip. Êòî ÷òî ïpî íåãî ìîæåò pàññêàçàòü?
Âèäèìî, èñïîëüçóåò êàêîé-òî èç âàðèàíòîâ PPM.
Håìíîãî ïîñëàáåå, ÷åì PPMd è PPMonstr.
Hà ìîèõ òåñòàõ (http://ebs.freeservers.com) âîøåë â ïåðâóþ äåñÿòêó.
Õîòÿ áëèæå ê äåñÿòîìó ìåñòó, ÷åì ê ïåðâîìó, íî âîøåë.
 òåêóùåì âûïóñêå òåñòîâ åãî íå áûëî, â ñëåäóþùåì îáÿçàòåëüíî âîéäåò.
Âñåãî äîáðîãî,
Âàäèì.
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