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From : Vadim Yoockin 2:5020/1042.50 08 Jan 02 13:11:53
To : Anton Kulikov
Subj : Re: boa
From: "Vadim Yoockin" <vy@thermosyn.com>
Paul Konev <Paul.Konev@p977.f1124.n463.z2.fidonet.org> ñîîáùèë â íîâîñòÿõ
ñëåäóþùåå:740796981@p977.f1124.n463.z2.ftn...
> 06 Jan 02 22:36, Anton Kulikov -> All:
>
> AK> -+- BOA Constrictor Archiver v0.58b
>
> AK> ×òî ìíå â íåé ïîípàâèëîñü, òàê ýòî òî ÷òî îíà î÷åíü ñèëüíî æìåò
> AK> òåêñòû, íàìíîãî ñèëüíåå ÷åì ha (ïpàâäà î÷åíü ìåäëåííî
ïàêyåò/pàñïàêyåò),
> AK> òàê âîò âîïpîñ: ýòîò ïpîåêò pàçâèâàåòñÿ äàëüøå èëè õîòÿ áû pàçâèëñÿ
> AK> äàëüøå áåòà âåpñèè?
>
> Ïî-ìîåìó - íåò. Ýòà âåðñèÿ áûëà ïîñëåäíÿÿ ÈÌÕÎ.
Àâòîð íûíå ïåðåñåë íà BWT. Ïîêà îí ñâîé íîâûé àðõèâàòîð íå ðàñïðîñòðàíÿåò,
íî â òåñòàõ ó÷àñòâóåò. Ñì. http://ybs.freeservers.com
> AK> ÇÛ Ïîäñêàæèòå ÷òî-íèòü ïîäîáíîå äëÿ ñæèìàíèÿ òåêñòîâ, æåëàòåëüíî
ëy÷øå è
> AK> áûñòpåå.
>
> RK - äîâîëüíî ìåäëåííûé, íî æì¸ò êðóòî.
> 7ZIP - áûñòðûé (äëÿ òåêñòà þçàé ÏÏÌÄ) è æì¸ò çàìå÷àòåëüíî.
À ìîæíî è ñàì ppmd, èëè åãî óñëîæíåííóþ âåðñèþ, ppmonstr.
Âñåãî äîáðîãî,
Âàäèì.
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From : Bulat Ziganshin 2:5093/27.61 08 Jan 02 14:09:33
To : Vlad Vork
Subj : MMX
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Hello Vlad!
Tuesday January 08 2002, Vlad Vork writes to Bulat Ziganshin:
VV>>> Intel's PII Inverse DCT Application Notes.
VV> DCT êàê ÿ ïîíÿë - îápàòíîå äèñêpåòíî-êîñèíyñíîå ïpåîápàçîâàíèå. ß
VV> ïpèìåpíî ñëûøàë, êàê îíî ïpèìåíÿòñÿ â JPEG, íî çà÷åì îíî Rar-y ? ×òî
VV> ß ïîëíûé ÷àéíèê â ñæàòèè,
âîò ÿ íà ýòî è íàìåêàþ. ÷òî íåêîòîðûå àëãîðèòìû î÷åíü ìíîãî âûèãðûâàþò - ìû çíà
åì. çäåñü (â lz/ppm) òàêèõ àëãîðèòìîâ íåò
Bulat, mailto:bulatz-AT-fort.tatarstan.ru, ICQ: work 15872722, home 11849833
... Äà è êàê æåíùèíå ïîíÿòü ìóæ÷èíó? Âåäü îíè õîòÿò ðàçíîãî:
... ìóæ÷èíå íóæíà æåíùèíà, à æåíùèíå - ìóæ÷èíà.
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From : Dmitry Shkarin 2:5020/400 08 Jan 02 15:45:34
To : Evgeny Sharandin
Subj : Re: rar 3
From: "Dmitry Shkarin" <dmitry.shkarin@mtu-net.ru>
Hi, Evgeny!
> Ñàì ÌÌÕ íà ïîìîéêó. Hî, îäíàêî, êîìïèëÿòîðû, ïîääåðæèâàþùèå àâòîìàòè÷åñêóþ
> ïîääåðæêó SIMD èíñòðóêöèé íåïëîõî ìîãóò âåêòîðèçîâàòü êîä. À âîò ýòî óæå
> êîå-÷òî. Òîò æå Intel C èëè PGI C òîìó íåïëîõîé ïðèìåð.
Hàñ÷åò MMX, ìîæåò ÿ è íå ïðàâ, ìîæåò áûòü åãî ìîæíî ïðèìåíèòü ïðè
ñðàâíåíèè äëèííûõ ñòðîê â ÁÂÒ. ×òî VY ïî ýòîìó ïîâîäó äóìàåò?
> DS> èç-çà ýòîãî è èç-çà ïîñòîÿííûõ ïðîâåðîê òèïà "êàêîé òàì ó íàñ íûí÷å
> DS> ïðîö", íèêàêîãî âûèãðûøà, êàê ïðàâèëî, íå ïðîèñõîäèò.
>
> À ðàçâå íå îäèí ðàç, ïðè ñòàðòå?
Håò, ïðîâåðêà äîëæíà ïðîèçâîäèòñÿ êàê ìèíèìóì íà óðîâíå ô-öèé, íà ñàìîì
äåëå îíà ïðîèçâîäèòñÿ íà óðîâíå áëîêîâ.
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From : Dmitry Shkarin 2:5020/400 08 Jan 02 15:45:34
To : Vladimir V NATROV
Subj : Re: BioArc 1.92
From: "Dmitry Shkarin" <dmitry.shkarin@mtu-net.ru>
Hi, Vladimir!
> Ñêà÷àë ñàáæ, ïîñòàâèë è ïîòåñòèpîâàë íà ÄÎÑ-òåêñòàõ. Ðåçyëüòàò
ïpåâçîø¸ë
> îæèäàíèÿ (ìîè, êîíå÷íî ;): íà òåêñòàõ ýòîò àpõèâàòîp "ñäåëàë" è RK, è SBC
è
> 7Zip.
Äàé 7zip òàêîé æå îáúåì ïàìÿòè è ðåçóëüòàò ïåðåñòàíåò ïðåâîñõîäèòü òâîè
îæèäàíèÿ. ;-)
> Êòî ÷òî ïpî íåãî ìîæåò pàññêàçàòü?
PPMd + òî ëè RLE- òî ëè LZ77-preprocessing.
2VY. Ñêîðî PPMd â òâîèõ òåñòàõ ñàì ñ ñîáîé íà÷íåò ñîðåâíîâàòüñÿ ;-).
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From : Vadim Yoockin 2:5020/1042.50 08 Jan 02 16:20:31
To : All
Subj : ðóññêèé íàðîäíûé rangecoder
From: "Vadim Yoockin" <vy@thermosyn.com>
Hello, All!
Hè ó êîãî íå ñîõðàíèëîñü èñõîäíîãî ïèñüìà Äìèòðèÿ
Ñóááîòèíà ñ óêàçàííîé òåìîé?
Òî, êîòîðîå áûëî íàïèñàíî íå ïîçäíåå 4 ìàÿ 1999 ãîäà.
Âñåãî äîáðîãî,
Âàäèì.
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From : Vadim Yoockin 2:5020/1042.50 08 Jan 02 16:45:18
To : Vladimir V NATROV
Subj : Re: BioArc 1.92
From: "Vadim Yoockin" <vy@thermosyn.com>
Ïðèâåò, Äèìà!
Dmitry Shkarin <dmitry.shkarin@mtu-net.ru> ñîîáùèë â íîâîñòÿõ
ñëåäóþùåå:a1epj1$1dfh$2@gavrilo.mtu.ru...
> > Êòî ÷òî ïpî íåãî ìîæåò pàññêàçàòü?
> PPMd + òî ëè RLE- òî ëè LZ77-preprocessing.
Êàêàÿ-òî ñòàðàÿ âåðñèÿ PPMd? Åùå äî ïåðåèìåíîâàíèÿ â PPMII? :-)
À ÷òî æå àâòîð íè ðàçó íà òåáÿ íå ñîñëàëñÿ?
Âîò Èãîðü Ïàâëîâ - ìîëîäåö, ÷åñòíî óêàçàë èñòî÷íèê.
> 2VY. Ñêîðî PPMd â òâîèõ òåñòàõ ñàì ñ ñîáîé íà÷íåò ñîðåâíîâàòüñÿ ;-).
ß óæå îò÷åòëèâî ñåáå ïðåäñòàâëÿþ âåðõíèå ñòðî÷êè òåñòîâ ;-)
Âñåãî äîáðîãî,
Âàäèì.
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From : Vadim Yoockin 2:5020/1042.50 08 Jan 02 16:45:18
To : Evgeny Sharandin
Subj : MMX Re: rar 3
From: "Vadim Yoockin" <vy@thermosyn.com>
Dmitry Shkarin <dmitry.shkarin@mtu-net.ru> ñîîáùèë â íîâîñòÿõ
ñëåäóþùåå:a1epj0$1dfh$1@gavrilo.mtu.ru...
> Hàñ÷åò MMX, ìîæåò ÿ è íå ïðàâ, ìîæåò áûòü åãî ìîæíî ïðèìåíèòü ïðè
> ñðàâíåíèè äëèííûõ ñòðîê â ÁÂÒ. ×òî VY ïî ýòîìó ïîâîäó äóìàåò?
Hè÷åãî îñîáî õîðîøåãî.
Îíî òàì ðåäêî áûâàåò, ñðàâíåíèå äëèííûõ ñòðîê.
Ïëîõ òîò ñîðòèðîâùèê, êîòîðûé äî ýòîãî äîïóñêàåò.
À â îñíîâíîé ìàññå ñòðîêè îêàçûâàþòñÿ íåðàâíûìè äîâîëüíî áûñòðî.
Õîòÿ... ìîæåò, íà íåêîòîðûõ âûäàþùèõñÿ ôàéëàõ ýòî ïîìîæåò...
Âñåãî äîáðîãî,
Âàäèì.
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From : Bulat Ziganshin 2:5093/27.61 08 Jan 02 17:25:22
To : Vadim Yoockin
Subj : ðóññêèé íàðîäíûé rangecoder
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Hello Vadim!
Tuesday January 08 2002, Vadim Yoockin writes to All:
VY> Hè ó êîãî íå ñîõðàíèëîñü èñõîäíîãî ïèñüìà Äìèòðèÿ
VY> Ñóááîòèíà ñ óêàçàííîé òåìîé?
VY> Òî, êîòîðîå áûëî íàïèñàíî íå ïîçäíåå 4 ìàÿ 1999 ãîäà.
ñ òåáÿ ïèâî :)
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From : Vadim Vygovsky 2:5022/5.41 08 Jan 02 19:21:42
To : Vladimir V Natrov
Subj : BioArc 1.92
Hello, Vladimir!
Âòîðíèê ßíâàðü 08 2002 13:11, Vadim Yoockin íàïèñàë, à All äîëæåí áûë óñëûøàòü:
>> Ñêà÷àë ñàáæ, ïîñòàâèë è ïîòåñòèpîâàë íà ÄÎÑ-òåêñòàõ. Ðåçyëüòàò
VY> ïpåâçîø¸ë
>> îæèäàíèÿ (ìîè, êîíå÷íî ;): íà òåêñòàõ ýòîò àpõèâàòîp "ñäåëàë" è RK,
>> è SBC
VY> è
>> 7Zip. Êòî ÷òî ïpî íåãî ìîæåò pàññêàçàòü?
VY> Âèäèìî, èñïîëüçóåò êàêîé-òî èç âàðèàíòîâ PPM.
VY> Håìíîãî ïîñëàáåå, ÷åì PPMd è PPMonstr.
VY> Hà ìîèõ òåñòàõ (http://ebs.freeservers.com) âîøåë â ïåðâóþ äåñÿòêó.
VY> Õîòÿ áëèæå ê äåñÿòîìó ìåñòó, ÷åì ê ïåðâîìó, íî âîøåë.
VY> Â òåêóùåì âûïóñêå òåñòîâ åãî íå áûëî, â ñëåäóþùåì îáÿçàòåëüíî âîéäåò.
Ïî èíôîðìàöèè îò àâòîðà - íå çà ãîðàìè âåðñèÿ 2.0, â íåé áóäåò äîáàâëåíà solidí
îñòü.
WBR, Vadim
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From : Nikolay Shimanovsky 2:452/47.14 08 Jan 02 20:29:50
To : Vlad Vork
Subj : DCT
Êàê ïîæèâàåòå, Vlad ?
BZ>> äà, ïî ñëyõàì â rar3 áyäåò èñïîëüçîâàíî èìåííî DCT ñ îïòèìèçàöèåé
BZ>> ïîä SSE3
Òåîðåòè÷åñêè, íàâåðíîå, ìîæíî, åñëè îòáðàñûâàòü â ìàòðèöå, ïîëó÷èâøåéñÿ ïîñëå ï
ðåîáðàçîâàíèÿ, òîëüêî êðóãëûå íóëè... Êàêîé áóäåò îò ýòîãî ýôôåêò, òðóäíî ïðåäñ
êàçàòü.
VV> à âîò Øêàpèí, äåëîì äîêàçàâøèé ñâîé àâòîpèòåò â êîìïpåññèè,
VV> yòâåpæäàåò
VV> çäåñü, ñ âåñüìà pàçyìíî âûãëÿäÿùèìè äîâîäàìè, ÷òî â áåçïîòåpüíûõ
VV> àpõèâàòîpàõ íè÷åãî òàêîãî ñäåëàòü íåëüçÿ.
VV> DCT êàê ÿ ïîíÿë - îápàòíîå äèñêpåòíî-êîñèíyñíîå ïpåîápàçîâàíèå. ß
Ïðîñòî Discrete Cosine Transform
VV> ïpèìåpíî ñëûøàë, êàê îíî ïpèìåíÿòñÿ â JPEG, íî çà÷åì îíî Rar-y ? ×òî
VV> è
VV> êàê îíî áyäåò yñêîpÿòü? Ìîæíî ëè ýòî èñïîëüçîâàòü â äpyãèõ ìåòîäàõ
VV> ñæàòèÿ?
C óâàæåíèåì, Nikolay Shimanovsky.
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From : Paul Konev 2:463/1124.977 08 Jan 02 23:14:00
To : Vadim Yoockin
Subj : Re: boa
Ïðèâåò Vadim!
08 Jan 02 13:11, Vadim Yoockin -> Anton Kulikov:
VY> À ìîæíî è ñàì ppmd, èëè åãî óñëîæíåííóþ âåðñèþ, ppmonstr.
À ýòè çâåðè óìåþò äåëàòü àðõèâ èç íåñêîëüêèõ ôàéëîâ ?
Ãäå âçÿòü ïîñëåäíèå âåðñèè ?
Paul
... Ñèëà âïðûñêà íå âëèÿåò íà êà÷åñòâî îòïðûñêà
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From : Dmitry Shkarin 2:5020/400 09 Jan 02 00:06:37
To : Vadim Yoockin
Subj : Re: BioArc 1.92
From: "Dmitry Shkarin" <dmitry.shkarin@mtu-net.ru>
Hi, Âàäèì!
> Êàêàÿ-òî ñòàðàÿ âåðñèÿ PPMd? Åùå äî ïåðåèìåíîâàíèÿ â PPMII? :-)
Håò, ýòî ó íèõ ïðåïðîöåññîð ìàëåíüêî âñå ïîðòèò.
> À ÷òî æå àâòîð íè ðàçó íà òåáÿ íå ñîñëàëñÿ?
Ñåáå àâòîðñòâî íå ïðèñâîèëè - óæå ïðîãðåññ ;-).
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To : All
Subj : News at ftp://ftp.elf.stuba.sk/pub/pc/pack/
ftp://ftp.elf.stuba.sk/pub/pc/pack/aspck212.zip
ASPack v2.12 - Advanced Win32 Executable File Compressor (301,508 bytes)
ftp://ftp.elf.stuba.sk/pub/pc/pack/ucl101.tgz
UCL v1.01 - Portable Lossless Data Compression Library written in ANSI C (341,5
62 bytes)
ftp://ftp.elf.stuba.sk/pub/pc/pack/uharc04.zip
UHARC v0.4 - Multimedia archiver (225,586 bytes)
ftp://ftp.elf.stuba.sk/pub/pc/pack/unarj263.exe
UnARJ v2.63 (97,799 bytes)
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From : Alexander P Spiridonov 2:5053/49.64 09 Jan 02 10:13:37
To : Vlad Vork
Subj : MMX
Hello, Vlad !
08.01.2002 12:03, Vlad Vork wrote to Bulat Ziganshin:
VV> (ÿ êñòàòè âèäåë MMX-âåpñèþ png-crush.exe - äîæèìàëüùèêà ôàéëîâ ãpàôèêè
VV> png, òàì âpîäå áû ZIP-ñæàòèå. Êòî-íèáyäü çíàåò - ÷òî òàì äåëàåò ÌÌÕ ?)
íàâåðíîå, delta-ïðåïðîöåññèíã, ïî ñòðîêàì åãî î÷åíü óäîáíî äåëàòü ñ MMX
With best regards, Alexander
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From : Dmitry Shkarin 2:5020/400 09 Jan 02 16:14:38
To : Paul Konev
Subj : Re: boa
From: "Dmitry Shkarin" <dmitry.shkarin@mtu-net.ru>
Hi, Paul!
> À ýòè çâåðè óìåþò äåëàòü àðõèâ èç íåñêîëüêèõ ôàéëîâ ?
Óìåþò, íî âûêîâûðèâàòü îäèí ôàéë èç àðõèâà óæå íå óìåþò.
> Ãäå âçÿòü ïîñëåäíèå âåðñèè ?
ftp://ftp.elf.stuba.sk/pub/pc/pack/ppmdh.rar
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From : Bulat Ziganshin 2:5093/27.61 09 Jan 02 17:26:04
To : Dmitry Shkarin
Subj : boa
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Hello Dmitry!
Wednesday January 09 2002, Dmitry Shkarin writes to Paul Konev:
>> À ýòè çâåðè óìåþò äåëàòü àðõèâ èç íåñêîëüêèõ ôàéëîâ ?
DS> Óìåþò, íî âûêîâûðèâàòü îäèí ôàéë èç àðõèâà óæå íå óìåþò.
>> Ãäå âçÿòü ïîñëåäíèå âåðñèè ?
DS> ftp://ftp.elf.stuba.sk/pub/pc/pack/ppmdh.rar
à ìîæåò ïðîùå www.7zip.com? âñ¸ ðàâíî æå òâîé àëãîðèòì èñïîëüçóåòñÿ. íå ìîíñòð
ïðàâäà è ìîæåò óæå óñòàðåâøàÿ âåðñèÿ
Bulat, mailto:bulatz-AT-fort.tatarstan.ru, ICQ: work 15872722, home 11849833
... Äà è êàê æåíùèíå ïîíÿòü ìóæ÷èíó? Âåäü îíè õîòÿò ðàçíîãî:
... ìóæ÷èíå íóæíà æåíùèíà, à æåíùèíå - ìóæ÷èíà.
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From : Vadim Vygovsky 2:5022/5.41 09 Jan 02 20:46:59
To : Bulat Ziganshin
Subj : boa
Hello, Bulat!
Ñðåäà ßíâàðü 09 2002 17:26, Bulat Ziganshin wrote to Dmitry Shkarin:
BZ> à ìîæåò ïðîùå www.7zip.com? âñ¸ ðàâíî æå òâîé àëãîðèòì èñïîëüçóåòñÿ.
IMHO, áëèæå áóäåò www.7-zip.com.
WBR, Vadim
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From : Paul Konev 2:463/1124.977 10 Jan 02 00:48:00
To : Anton Kulikov
Subj : boa
Ïðèâåò Anton!
08 Jan 02 2:03, Anton Kulikov -> Paul Konev:
PK>> RK - äîâîëüíî ìåäëåííûé, íî æì¸ò êpyòî.
PK>> 7ZIP - áûñòpûé (äëÿ òåêñòà þçàé ÏÏÌÄ) è æì¸ò çàìå÷àòåëüíî.
AK> Îòêyäà ìîíà ñêà÷àòü?
rksoft.virtualave.net/
www.7-zip.org
Paul
... Ðàçäåâàé è âëàñòâóé
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From : Evgeny Sharandin 2:5020/755.12 10 Jan 02 01:39:00
To : Dmitry Shkarin
Subj : rar 3
Reply-To: shar@nep.cplire.ru
Ïðèâåò Dmitry!
08 ÿíâàðÿ 2002 ãîäà (à áûëî òîãäà 15:45)
Dmitry Shkarin â ñâîåì ïèñüìå ê Evgeny Sharandin ïèñàë:
DS> Hàñ÷åò MMX, ìîæåò ÿ è íå ïðàâ, ìîæåò áûòü åãî ìîæíî ïðèìåíèòü ïðè
DS> ñðàâíåíèè äëèííûõ ñòðîê â ÁÂÒ. ×òî VY ïî ýòîìó ïîâîäó äóìàåò?
Åäâà ëè áóäåò îò ýòîãî êàêàÿ-ëèáî ïîëüçà.
>> DS> èç-çà ýòîãî è èç-çà ïîñòîÿííûõ ïðîâåðîê òèïà "êàêîé òàì ó íàñ
>> DS> íûí÷å ïðîö", íèêàêîãî âûèãðûøà, êàê ïðàâèëî, íå ïðîèñõîäèò.
>>
>> À ðàçâå íå îäèí ðàç, ïðè ñòàðòå?
DS> Håò, ïðîâåðêà äîëæíà ïðîèçâîäèòñÿ êàê ìèíèìóì íà óðîâíå ô-öèé, íà
DS> ñàìîì äåëå îíà ïðîèçâîäèòñÿ íà óðîâíå áëîêîâ.
Èíòåëîâñêàÿ äîêóìåíòàöèÿ óòâåðæäàåò îáðàòíîå - íà óðîâíå ôóíêöèé, ñàìè ôóíêöèè
âûáèðàþòñÿ îäèí ðàç ïðè ñòàðòå. Âûâîäèìàÿ ïðè êîìïèëÿöèè ñòàòèñòèêà è
àññåìáëåðíûå ëèñòèíãè ñôîðìèðîâàííîãî êîäà îôèöèàëüíîé äîêóìåíòàöèè íå
ïðîòèâîðå÷àò.
Ñ óâàæåíèåì, Evgeny 09 ÿíâàðÿ 2002 ãîäà
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From : Evgeny Sharandin 2:5020/755.12 10 Jan 02 01:39:00
To : Vlad Vork
Subj : MMX
Reply-To: shar@nep.cplire.ru
Ïðèâåò Vlad!
06 ÿíâàðÿ 2002 ãîäà (à áûëî òîãäà 17:50)
Vlad Vork â ñâîåì ïèñüìå ê Evgeny Sharandin ïèñàë:
ES>> À ïî÷åìy áû è íåò? icl /Qx /QaxiMKW.
VV> à ÷òî êîíêpåòíî äåëàåò ýòà icl ? îáüÿñíèòå ÷àéíèêy, ïëñ.
Ýòî Intel C/C++. Âåñüìà íåïëîõîé îïòèìèçèðóþùèé êîìïèëÿòîð.
Ñ óâàæåíèåì, Evgeny 09 ÿíâàðÿ 2002 ãîäà
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From : Evgeny Sharandin 2:5020/755.12 10 Jan 02 01:39:00
To : Bulat Ziganshin
Subj : rar 3
Reply-To: shar@nep.cplire.ru
Ïðèâåò Bulat!
08 ÿíâàðÿ 2002 ãîäà (à áûëî òîãäà 01:03)
Bulat Ziganshin â ñâîåì ïèñüìå ê Evgeny Sharandin ïèñàë:
ES>> âåêòîðèçîâàòü êîä. À âîò ýòî óæå êîå-÷òî. Òîò æå Intel C èëè PGI
ES>> C òîìó íåïëîõîé
BZ> ìû âñ¸ åù¸ íå çàáûëè, ãäå íàõîäèìñÿ? áüþñü îá çàêëàä, ÷òî òû â ãëàçà
BZ> longest_match íå âèäåë. ÿ ìîæåò è ãëóïåå êîìïèëÿòîðà,
Äîâîäèëîñü. Ñóäÿ ïî âñåìó, òû åùå æèâåøü ñòàðûìè ïðåäñòàâëåíèÿìè îá îïòèìèçàöèè
êîäà õ86, òîãäà êàê èõ ïðàâèëà îïÿòü ðàäèêàëüíî ïîìåíÿëèñü. Âïëîòü äî ïîÿâëåíèÿ
èíñòðóêöèé ïî óïðàâëåíèþ çàãðóçêîé äàííûõ â êåø è èõ âûðàâíèâàíèÿ, óïðåæäàþùåé
âûáîðêå êîäà, èíñòðóêöèé ÿâíîãî óêàçàíèÿ íåêîòîðîðûõ òèïîâ öèêëîâ äëÿ èõ áîëåå
áûñòðîé ïðîêðóòêè ñ ìãíîâåííûì âûõîäîì (òåì ñàìûì ñâîäÿòñÿ ê ìèíèìóìó íàêëàäíûå
ðàñõîäû ïðè íåïðàâèëüíî ïðåäñêàçàííîì ïåðåõîäå ïî îêîí÷àíèè öèêëà) è ñíèæåíèåì
ýíåðãîïîòðåáëåíèÿ ïðîöåññîðîì âî âðåìÿ ïðîêðóòêè öèêëà!!! è ïð. Âåêòîðèçàöèÿ
ýòî âîâñå íå îáÿçàòåëüíî ïîäãîí êîäà è ñòðóêòóð äàííûõ ïîä èñïîëüçîâàíèå SIMD.
Ñþäà îòíîñèòñÿ ìíîãî ÷åãî, â òîì ÷èñëå ðàçäåëåíèå/ïåðåìåøèâàíèå áëîêîâ êîäà,
êîòîðûå ìîãóò áûòü âûïîëíåíû íåçàâèñèìî - î÷åíü ñïîñîáñòâóåò áîëåå ïîëíîé
çàãðóçêå êîíâåéðîâ ïðîöåññîðîâ. È åñëè íà Ï1-3/K6-7 ýôôåêò îò ýòîãî îáû÷íî
íåçíà÷èòåëüíûé, òî íà P4 (èñïîëíèòåëüíûå áëîêè êîòîðîãî ìèíèìóì â 2 ðàçà
áûñòðåå åãî æå Trace Cache) ñèòóàöèÿ ìåíÿåòñÿ íà ïðîòèâîïîëîæíóþ.
BZ> íî âåêòîðèçîâàòü åãî íå ñìîãó
À òåáÿ è íå ïðîñÿò ;). Çàïóñòè Intel C èëè PGI C è ïîñìîòðè â ñòàòèñòèêå
ñêîëüêî öèêëîâ è êàê èì óäàñòñÿ âåêòîðèçîâàòü. Ýôôåêò æå ìîæåò áûòü îò
êîïåå÷íîãî äî âåñüìà âïå÷àòëÿþùåãî.
Ñ óâàæåíèåì, Evgeny 09 ÿíâàðÿ 2002 ãîäà
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From : Bulat Ziganshin 2:5093/4.126 10 Jan 02 10:21:11
To : Evgeny Sharandin
Subj : rar 3
* Originally in RU.COMPRESS
Ïðèÿòíîãî òåáå äíÿ è íåçàáûâàåìîé íî÷è, Evgeny!
Thursday January 10 2002, Evgeny Sharandin writes to Bulat Ziganshin:
ES>>> âåêòîðèçîâàòü êîä. À âîò ýòî óæå êîå-÷òî. Òîò æå Intel C èëè PGI
ES>>> C òîìó íåïëîõîé
BZ>> ìû âñ¸ åù¸ íå çàáûëè, ãäå íàõîäèìñÿ? áüþñü îá çàêëàä, ÷òî òû â
BZ>> ãëàçà longest_match íå âèäåë. ÿ ìîæåò è ãëóïåå êîìïèëÿòîðà,
ES> Äîâîäèëîñü. Ñóäÿ ïî âñåìó, òû åùå æèâåøü ñòàðûìè ïðåäñòàâëåíèÿìè îá
ES> îïòèìèçàöèè êîäà õ86, òîãäà êàê èõ ïðàâèëà îïÿòü ðàäèêàëüíî
ES> ïîìåíÿëèñü.
ãì. ñ ýòîãî ìû è íà÷èíàëè. æåíÿ íå õî÷åò ñàì çàíèìàòüñÿ îïòèìèçàöèåé, äîâåðÿÿ ý
òî êîìïèëÿòîðó. òû å¸ òîëüêî âåêòîðèçàöèåé íå íàçûâàé
Bulat, mailto:bulatz-AT-fort.tatarstan.ru, ICQ: work 15872722, home 11849833
... Èíîãäà äëÿ òîãî, ÷òîáû èçìåíèòü ñâîå âîñïðèÿòèå ìèðà,
... ëþäè ïûòàþòñÿ èçìåíèòü ñàì ìèð
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From : Bulat Ziganshin 2:5093/4.126 10 Jan 02 11:32:38
To : Evgeny Sharandin
Subj : rar 3
* Originally in RU.COMPRESS
Ïðèÿòíîãî òåáå äíÿ è íåçàáûâàåìîé íî÷è, Evgeny!
Thursday January 10 2002, Evgeny Sharandin writes to Bulat Ziganshin:
ES> À òåáÿ è íå ïðîñÿò ;). Çàïóñòè Intel C èëè PGI C è ïîñìîòðè â
ES> ñòàòèñòèêå ñêîëüêî öèêëîâ è êàê èì óäàñòñÿ âåêòîðèçîâàòü. Ýôôåêò æå
ES> ìîæåò áûòü îò êîïåå÷íîãî äî âåñüìà âïå÷àòëÿþùåãî.
êñòàòè, ïîïðîáóé îòêîìïèëÿòü õîðîøèìè êîìïèëÿòîðàìè unrar è ñðàâíèòü ñêîðîñòü ð
àñïàêîâêè ñ ñàìèì rar'îì. pgi - ýòî ÷òî?
Bulat, mailto:bulatz-AT-fort.tatarstan.ru, ICQ: work 15872722, home 11849833
... Èíîãäà äëÿ òîãî, ÷òîáû èçìåíèòü ñâîå âîñïðèÿòèå ìèðà,
... ëþäè ïûòàþòñÿ èçìåíèòü ñàì ìèð
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From : Dmitry Shkarin 2:5020/400 10 Jan 02 19:24:56
To : Evgeny Sharandin
Subj : Re: rar 3
From: "Dmitry Shkarin" <dmitry.shkarin@mtu-net.ru>
Hi, Evgeny!
> Äîâîäèëîñü. Ñóäÿ ïî âñåìó, òû åùå æèâåøü ñòàðûìè ïðåäñòàâëåíèÿìè îá
îïòèìèçàöèè
> êîäà õ86, òîãäà êàê èõ ïðàâèëà îïÿòü ðàäèêàëüíî ïîìåíÿëèñü. Âïëîòü äî
ïîÿâëåíèÿ
> èíñòðóêöèé ïî óïðàâëåíèþ çàãðóçêîé äàííûõ â êåø è èõ âûðàâíèâàíèÿ,
óïðåæäàþùåé
> âûáîðêå êîäà, èíñòðóêöèé ÿâíîãî óêàçàíèÿ íåêîòîðîðûõ òèïîâ öèêëîâ äëÿ èõ
áîëåå
> áûñòðîé ïðîêðóòêè ñ ìãíîâåííûì âûõîäîì (òåì ñàìûì ñâîäÿòñÿ ê ìèíèìóìó
íàêëàäíûå
> ðàñõîäû ïðè íåïðàâèëüíî ïðåäñêàçàííîì ïåðåõîäå ïî îêîí÷àíèè öèêëà) è
ñíèæåíèåì
> ýíåðãîïîòðåáëåíèÿ ïðîöåññîðîì âî âðåìÿ ïðîêðóòêè öèêëà!!! è ïð.
Âåêòîðèçàöèÿ
> ýòî âîâñå íå îáÿçàòåëüíî ïîäãîí êîäà è ñòðóêòóð äàííûõ ïîä èñïîëüçîâàíèå
SIMD.
> Ñþäà îòíîñèòñÿ ìíîãî ÷åãî, â òîì ÷èñëå ðàçäåëåíèå/ïåðåìåøèâàíèå áëîêîâ
êîäà,
> êîòîðûå ìîãóò áûòü âûïîëíåíû íåçàâèñèìî - î÷åíü ñïîñîáñòâóåò áîëåå ïîëíîé
> çàãðóçêå êîíâåéðîâ ïðîöåññîðîâ.
Âî óïîðíûé... Ìåðÿåì íà Âàäèìîâûõ ôàéëàõ:
ZIP -9 BZIP2 -9 PPMd -o8
/O2 /G6A 4.84 7.75 9.22
/O2 /G6A /Qxi 4.73 7.79 9.05
/O2 /G6A /QxiMK 4.73 7.85 9.12
/O2 /G6A /Qaxi 4.95 7.86 10.32
Îðèãèíàëüíåé âñåõ îêàçàëñÿ BZIP - îí åùå è çàìåäëÿåòñÿ ïðè /Qxi.
> È åñëè íà Ï1-3/K6-7 ýôôåêò îò ýòîãî îáû÷íî
> íåçíà÷èòåëüíûé, òî íà P4 (èñïîëíèòåëüíûå áëîêè êîòîðîãî ìèíèìóì â 2 ðàçà
> áûñòðåå åãî æå Trace Cache) ñèòóàöèÿ ìåíÿåòñÿ íà ïðîòèâîïîëîæíóþ.
Áóäóþùåå PIV âåñüìà òóìàííî. Áóäåò îí çàíèìàòü >50% ðûíêà? Âðÿä-ëè, à
îïòèìèçàöèÿ ïðîèçâîäèòñÿ ïîä íàèáîëåå ðàñïðîñòðàíåííûé ïðîö.
> À òåáÿ è íå ïðîñÿò ;). Çàïóñòè Intel C èëè PGI C è ïîñìîòðè â ñòàòèñòèêå
> ñêîëüêî öèêëîâ è êàê èì óäàñòñÿ âåêòîðèçîâàòü. Ýôôåêò æå ìîæåò áûòü îò
> êîïåå÷íîãî äî âåñüìà âïå÷àòëÿþùåãî.
Áëèæå ê êîïåå÷íîìó ;-).
> Èíòåëîâñêàÿ äîêóìåíòàöèÿ óòâåðæäàåò îáðàòíîå - íà óðîâíå ôóíêöèé, ñàìè
ôóíêöèè
> âûáèðàþòñÿ îäèí ðàç ïðè ñòàðòå. Âûâîäèìàÿ ïðè êîìïèëÿöèè ñòàòèñòèêà è
> àññåìáëåðíûå ëèñòèíãè ñôîðìèðîâàííîãî êîäà îôèöèàëüíîé äîêóìåíòàöèè íå
> ïðîòèâîðå÷àò.
Äà, ýòî ó ìåíÿ óñòàðåâøèå ñâåäåíèÿ. Hî è ýòîò êóíøòþê ÿâíî åìó íå
ïîìîãàåò. Î÷åðåäíàÿ èëëþñòðàöèÿ íà òåìó: êîìïàéëåð õîðîøî, à ìîçãè - ëó÷øå
;-).
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From : Bulat Ziganshin 2:5093/4.126 10 Jan 02 22:25:49
To : Dmitry Shkarin
Subj : rar 3
* Originally in RU.COMPRESS
Ïðèÿòíîãî òåáå äíÿ è íåçàáûâàåìîé íî÷è, Dmitry!
Thursday January 10 2002, Dmitry Shkarin writes to Evgeny Sharandin:
DS> Áóäóþùåå PIV âåñüìà òóìàííî. Áóäåò îí çàíèìàòü >50% ðûíêà?
áóäåò ÷åðåç ïîëãîäà, êîãäà ðàñêðóòèòñÿ p4-öåëåðîí. âîîáùå, p4 - ëó÷øàÿ íà äàííû
é ìîìåíò x86 àðõèòåêòóðà. äîñòàòî÷íî ñðàâíèòü ñêîðîñòü p4-2000 ñ äðóãèìè ïðîöåñ
ñîðàìè, èñïîëüçóþùèìè òîò æå òåõïðîöåññ - p3 1200 è duron 1200
Bulat, mailto:bulatz-AT-fort.tatarstan.ru, ICQ: work 15872722, home 11849833
... Èíîãäà äëÿ òîãî, ÷òîáû èçìåíèòü ñâîå âîñïðèÿòèå ìèðà,
... ëþäè ïûòàþòñÿ èçìåíèòü ñàì ìèð
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From : Evgeny Sharandin 2:5020/755.12 11 Jan 02 01:08:00
To : Bulat Ziganshin
Subj : rar 3
Reply-To: shar@nep.cplire.ru
Ïðèâåò Bulat!
10 ÿíâàðÿ 2002 ãîäà (à áûëî òîãäà 11:32)
Bulat Ziganshin â ñâîåì ïèñüìå ê Evgeny Sharandin ïèñàë:
BZ> êñòàòè, ïîïðîáóé îòêîìïèëÿòü õîðîøèìè êîìïèëÿòîðàìè unrar è ñðàâíèòü
BZ> ñêîðîñòü ðàñïàêîâêè ñ ñàìèì rar'îì.
P4-1400. Àðõèâ ñ áîëüøîé ñâàëêîé àðõèâàòîðîâ è èõ èñõîäíèêîâ. Òåñòèðîâàíèå
òîëüêî (òåáå âåäü ìåíüøå âñåãî âàæíà ñêîðîñòü âèí÷åñòåðà;).
rar 2.8 (w32) ~ 9.5
unrar (bcc32i -OI) ~11.2
unrar (ic v.5.01 -O2 /Qip) ~12.8
unrar (ic v.5.01 -O2 /Qip /QaxW) ~ 7.6
copy comp.rar c.rar ~ 2.3
Ðàçâå ìàëî?
BZ> pgi - ýòî ÷òî?
Êîìïèëÿòîðû (Fortran-66/77/90/HP, C/C++) îò Portland Group, Inc. Äåðæàò âñå õ86
ïðîöåññîðû (Ê7 è Ï4 â òîì ÷èñëå), ãåíåðÿò êîä ïðàêòè÷åñêè ïîä âñå ñóùåñòâóþùèå
ìíîãîïðîöåññîðíûå ñèñòåìû, ïðè ýòîì ìîãóò àâòîìàòè÷åñêè ðàñïàðàëëåëèâàòü êîä.
These products have been validated under Windows NT, Windows
98 and Windows 2000. Note that the parallelization features of
the PGI compilers do not apply under Windows 95/98
The following products are included in this release:
PGHPF High Performance Fortran (HPF) compiler
PGF90 OpenMP Fortran 90 compiler
PGF77 OpenMP FORTRAN 77 compiler
PGCC OpenMP C compiler
PGPROF Performance profiler (command-line only).
An assembler, linker, librarian, and other object tools are
included. These tools are based on the Cygnus GNU tools. Some
modifications are included to make these tools more compatible
with Microsoft object files and libraries. All of these compilers
and tools are command-line only. No graphical interface is
currently provided.
The BASH shell and the associated UNIX-like command environment
from the Cygnus cygwin32 package, release B20, is also included.
In addition, a "make" utility and the "vim" and EMACS editors are
included. Users who are unfamiliar with a UNIX-like command
environment will want to browse the online manuals at
C:\pgi\nt86\doc\index.htm
The EMACS editor is distributed in a separate self-installing file
which can be found at:
ftp://ftp.pgroup.com/x86/emacs.exe
You can download and install this file in the same way you installed
"pgiws.exe". EMACS will show up as a separate application in the
program group, which you get to using the Start->Programs button on
the Windows NT desktop.
The Math Kernel Library is also included. It can be linked in by
supplying -lmkl to your link line. The library includes the BLAS
levels 1, 2, and 3, and some FFT libraries. Documentation is
available at:
http://developer.intel.com/design/perftool/perflibst/mkl/index.htm
Selecting the PGI Workstation icon on your desktop will create a
BASH shell window with the environment set so that you can run
any of the PGI compilation tools. Also see the PGI Workstation
program group for an NT command window, this README file, a link
to the HTML documentation, and to start up the GUI version of "vim".
Instructions on how to use the PGI compilers from within an MKS Toolkit
korn shell window are included in the "PGI Workstation 3.2 Installation
and Release Notes".
Ñ óâàæåíèåì, Evgeny 11 ÿíâàðÿ 2002 ãîäà
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From : Evgeny Sharandin 2:5020/755.12 11 Jan 02 02:18:00
To : Dmitry Shkarin
Subj : rar 3
Reply-To: shar@nep.cplire.ru
Ïðèâåò Dmitry!
10 ÿíâàðÿ 2002 ãîäà (à áûëî òîãäà 19:24)
Dmitry Shkarin â ñâîåì ïèñüìå ê Evgeny Sharandin ïèñàë:
>> êîòîðûå ìîãóò áûòü âûïîëíåíû íåçàâèñèìî - î÷åíü ñïîñîáñòâóåò áîëåå
>> ïîëíîé çàãðóçêå êîíâåéðîâ ïðîöåññîðîâ.
DS> Âî óïîðíûé... Ìåðÿåì íà Âàäèìîâûõ ôàéëàõ:
DS> ZIP -9 BZIP2 -9 PPMd -o8
DS> /O2 /G6A 4.84 7.75 9.22
DS> /O2 /G6A /Qxi 4.73 7.79 9.05
DS> /O2 /G6A /QxiMK 4.73 7.85 9.12
DS> /O2 /G6A /Qaxi 4.95 7.86 10.32
Òðåòèé ïåíü (èëè Athlon XP)? Êîïåéêè ;).
DS> Îðèãèíàëüíåé âñåõ îêàçàëñÿ BZIP - îí åùå è çàìåäëÿåòñÿ ïðè /Qxi.
Ýòî â ñåêóíäàõ âðåìÿ? Òîãäà ñêîðåå óæ íåêîððåêòíîå èçìåðåíèå âðåìåíè.
DS> Áóäóþùåå PIV âåñüìà òóìàííî. Áóäåò îí çàíèìàòü >50% ðûíêà?
Âåäóùèå ïîçèöèè - çàïðîñòî. Óæå ñåé÷àñ êîìïû íà íåì ñòîÿò äåøåâëå, ÷åì ñ
òðåòüèìè ïíÿìè. Ïðè ýòîì P4 ñïîñîáåí ðàáîòàòü êóäà áûñòðåå ïíÿ-òðè äàæå â
ïåðåñ÷åòå íà ÌÃö, íî åãî âîçìîæíîñòè íå ðåàëèçóþòñÿ ïîêà.
DS> Âðÿä-ëè, à îïòèìèçàöèÿ ïðîèçâîäèòñÿ ïîä íàèáîëåå ðàñïðîñòðàíåííûé
DS> ïðîö.
Îí îáðå÷åí íà óñïåõ, îñîáåííî åñëè Intel âûïîëíèò ñâîè îáåùàíèÿ ïî óâåëè÷åíèþ
ðàçìåðà êåøà (ñ 512Ê óæå ïîÿâèëèñü), âñòðàèâàíèÿ êåøà 3-ãî óðîâíÿ (êîòîðûé
ïðåäóñìîòðåí èçíà÷àëüíî, íî áûë ïî÷åìó-òî âûêèíóò), ðåàëèçàöèè àïïàðàòíîé
ïîääåðæêè ìíîãîïîòî÷íûõ ïðèëîæåíèé (ïî ñëóõàì îíà åñòü âî âñåõ Ï4, íî ïîêà
çàáëîêèðîâàíà). Ïðî äàëüíåéøåå ïîâûøåíèå åãî ÷àñòîòû íà ôîíå ñâåðòûâàíèÿ
ïðîèçâîäñòâà Ï3 ìîæíî è íå âñïîìèíàòü äàæå.
DS> Äà, ýòî ó ìåíÿ óñòàðåâøèå ñâåäåíèÿ. Hî è ýòîò êóíøòþê ÿâíî åìó íå
DS> ïîìîãàåò.
Hó ïðî ÌÌÕ ñ SSE íà Ï3/K7 ýòî ïîíÿòíî áûëî ñðàçó. Ðå÷ü èäåò ïðî Ï4 ñ åãî SSE2.
DS> Î÷åðåäíàÿ èëëþñòðàöèÿ íà òåìó: êîìïàéëåð õîðîøî, à ìîçãè -
DS> ëó÷øå ;-).
Êàê âñåãäà. Â èäåàëå - õîðîøèå ìîçãè è êëàññíûé êîìïèëÿòîð äëÿ îñâîáîæäåíèÿ
ìîçãîâ îò ðóòèííûõ ðàçìûøëåíèé ;)
Ñ óâàæåíèåì, Evgeny 11 ÿíâàðÿ 2002 ãîäà
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From : Evgeny Sharandin 2:5020/755.12 11 Jan 02 02:18:00
To : Bulat Ziganshin
Subj : rar 3
Reply-To: shar@nep.cplire.ru
Ïðèâåò Bulat!
10 ÿíâàðÿ 2002 ãîäà (à áûëî òîãäà 10:21)
Bulat Ziganshin â ñâîåì ïèñüìå ê Evgeny Sharandin ïèñàë:
ES>> Äîâîäèëîñü. Ñóäÿ ïî âñåìó, òû åùå æèâåøü ñòàðûìè ïðåäñòàâëåíèÿìè
ES>> îá îïòèìèçàöèè êîäà õ86, òîãäà êàê èõ ïðàâèëà îïÿòü
ES>> ðàäèêàëüíî ïîìåíÿëèñü.
BZ> ãì. ñ ýòîãî ìû è íà÷èíàëè. æåíÿ íå õî÷åò ñàì çàíèìàòüñÿ îïòèìèçàöèåé,
BZ> äîâåðÿÿ ýòî êîìïèëÿòîðó.
È ïðàâèëüíî äåëàåò ;). Òàê ïî÷åìó æå íå çàäåéñòâîâàòü SSE, åñëè îí ðàäèêàëüíî
ïðèøïîðèâàåò Ï4 (à áåç SSE Ï4 âûãëÿäèò âåñüìà æàëêî) íå óõóäøàÿ áûñòðîäåéñòâèå
ïðîãðàìì íà äðóãèõ ïðîöåññîðàõ? Ñ ïîÿâëåíèåì ñëåäóþùåé âåðñèè Ï4 (äâà
ïðîöåññîðà â îäíîì) è openmp ìîæåò ïðèãîäèòüñÿ.
BZ> òû å¸ òîëüêî âåêòîðèçàöèåé íå íàçûâàé
Hó ïî÷åìó æå? Êàê îäèí èç ìåòîäîâ îïòèìèçàöèè...
Ñ óâàæåíèåì, Evgeny 11 ÿíâàðÿ 2002 ãîäà
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From : Alexey Drugobitskiy 2:465/222.18 11 Jan 02 10:39:00
To : Evgeny Sharandin
Subj : rar 3
Hello Evgeny.
11 Jan 02 02:18, you wrote to Bulat Ziganshin:
ES> È ïðàâèëüíî äåëàåò ;). Òàê ïî÷åìó æå íå çàäåéñòâîâàòü SSE, åñëè îí
ES> ðàäèêàëüíî ïðèøïîðèâàåò Ï4 (à áåç SSE Ï4 âûãëÿäèò âåñüìà æàëêî) íå
ES> óõóäøàÿ áûñòðîäåéñòâèå ïðîãðàìì íà äðóãèõ ïðîöåññîðàõ? Ñ ïîÿâëåíèåì
ES> ñëåäóþùåé âåðñèè Ï4 (äâà ïðîöåññîðà â îäíîì) è openmp ìîæåò
ES> ïðèãîäèòüñÿ.
Ó ìíîãèõ òâîèõ çíàêîìûõ åñòü P4? È áóäåò ëè âûèãðûø îïðàâäàí çàòðàòàìè òðóäà Ðî
øàëà?
Alexey
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From : Bulat Ziganshin 2:5093/4.126 11 Jan 02 11:51:49
To : Evgeny Sharandin
Subj : rar 3
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Ïðèÿòíîãî òåáå äíÿ è íåçàáûâàåìîé íî÷è, Evgeny!
Friday January 11 2002, Evgeny Sharandin writes to Bulat Ziganshin:
ES> P4-1400. Àðõèâ ñ áîëüøîé ñâàëêîé àðõèâàòîðîâ è èõ èñõîäíèêîâ.
ES> Òåñòèðîâàíèå òîëüêî (òåáå âåäü ìåíüøå âñåãî âàæíà ñêîðîñòü
ES> âèí÷åñòåðà;).
ES> rar 2.8 (w32) ~ 9.5
ES> unrar (bcc32i -OI) ~11.2
ES> unrar (ic v.5.01 -O2 /Qip) ~12.8
ES> unrar (ic v.5.01 -O2 /Qip /QaxW) ~ 7.6
àðõèâ âñ¸ âðåìÿ èç êåøà ÷èòàëñÿ? à òåáå íå êàæåòñÿ, ÷òî Qip çäåñü - ëèøíåå? :)
ES> Êîìïèëÿòîðû (Fortran-66/77/90/HP, C/C++) îò Portland Group, Inc.
ES> Äåðæàò âñå õ86 ïðîöåññîðû (Ê7 è Ï4 â òîì ÷èñëå), ãåíåðÿò êîä
ES> ïðàêòè÷åñêè ïîä âñå ñóùåñòâóþùèå ìíîãîïðîöåññîðíûå ñèñòåìû, ïðè ýòîì
ES> ìîãóò àâòîìàòè÷åñêè ðàñïàðàëëåëèâàòü êîä.
äà, ÿ ýòîãî íå çàñòàë. è âïåðâûå ñëûøó î êîìïèëÿòîðå, êîòîðûé ðàñêèäûâàåò êîä ï
î òðåäàì. èíòåðåñíî, ñêîëüêî âðåìåíè â rar/ppmd óõîäèò íà êîäèðîâàíèå âûõîäà ìî
äåëè
Bulat, mailto:bulatz-AT-fort.tatarstan.ru, ICQ: work 15872722, home 11849833
... Èíîãäà äëÿ òîãî, ÷òîáû èçìåíèòü ñâîå âîñïðèÿòèå ìèðà,
... ëþäè ïûòàþòñÿ èçìåíèòü ñàì ìèð
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From : Evgenij Masherov 2:5020/175.2 11 Jan 02 15:08:53
To : All
Subj : Ñæàòèå áåç ïîòåðü â 100 ðàç ???!
From: "Evgenij Masherov" <EMasherow@nsi.ru>
Hi All,
Âîò ññûëêà íà íåêóþ ôèðìó, îáåùàþùóþ èìåííî ýòî.
http://www.zeosync.com
Êòî-òî ÷òî-òî ñëûøàë? Øèçà? Ðàñêðóòêà èíâåñòîðîâ? Èëè êòî-òî õàêíóë Âñåëåííóþ?
Åâãåíèé Ìàøåðîâ ÀÊÀ ÑàíèòàðÆåíÿ
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From : Pavel Guscha 2:454/16.43 11 Jan 02 18:41:18
To : Bulat Ziganshin
Subj : rar 3
Hello Bulat.
Thu Jan 10 2030 22:25, you wrote to Dmitry Shkarin:
BZ> áóäåò ÷åpåç ïîëãîäà, êîãäà pàñêpóòèòñÿ p4-öåëåpîí. âîîáùå, p4 - ëó÷øàÿ
BZ> íà äàííûé ìîìåíò x86 àpõèòåêòópà. äîñòàòî÷íî ñpàâíèòü ñêîpîñòü p4-2000
BZ> ñ äpóãèìè ïpîöåññîpàìè, èñïîëüçóþùèìè òîò æå òåõïpîöåññ - p3 1200 è
BZ> duron 1200
À ó Athlon áîëåå íîâûé òåõïpîöåññ, íî îí ïî÷åìó-òî äåøåâëå è ïpè 1400-1600 íà
ìíîãèõ ïpèëîæåíèÿõ òîï÷åò p4-2000 òîëüêî â ïóòü.
Hàpîä, êàêîé íàèëó÷øèé àëãîpèòì áåçïîòåpüíîãî ñæàòèÿ çâóêà? Ãäå âçÿòü ïpîãó,
èñïîëüçóþùóþ åãî?
Pavel
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From : Leonid Broukhis 2:5020/400 11 Jan 02 21:08:32
To : Evgenij Masherov
Subj : Re: Ñæàòèå áåç ïîòåðü â 100 ðàç ???!
From: leob@mailcom.com (Leonid Broukhis)
Evgenij Masherov wrote:
>Âîò ññûëêà íà íåêóþ ôèðìó, îáåùàþùóþ èìåííî ýòî.
>http://www.zeosync.com
>Êòî-òî ÷òî-òî ñëûøàë? Øèçà? Ðàñêðóòêà èíâåñòîðîâ? Èëè êòî-òî õàêíóë Âñåëåííóþ?
Îáúÿñíåíèÿ ó íèõ íà ñàéòå î÷åíü ïóòàíûå è ñ ìàññîé êðóòûõ, íè÷åãî íå
çíà÷àùèõ òåðìèíîâ. Hî: â îäíîì ìåñòå ÷åòêî çàÿâëÿåòñÿ, ÷òî ýòî íå
"data compression", âî ìíîãèõ äðóãèõ â êà÷åñòâå ïðèëîæåíèé óïîìèíàåòñÿ
communication, à data storage êàê áû ïîõîäÿ, à â êà÷åñòâå ïðîäóêòîâ -
hardware, à íå software. Ò.å., ñóäÿ ïî âñåìó ýòîìó, îíè ïðèäóìàëè î÷åðåäíîå
êàíàëüíîå êîäèðîâàíèå. Åñëè âî âðåìåíà 50-áîäíûõ (òîãäà -
ôàêòè÷åñêè 50 áèò/ñåê) òåëåòàéïîâ ðàññêàçàòü, ÷òî ðîâíî ïî òåì æå
ïðîâîäàì ìîæåò 56Ê áåãàòü, ñëóøàòåëè âåäü íå ïîâåðèëè áû.
Äà è ñïèñîê íàó÷íûõ ðàáîòíèêîâ ó íèõ äëèííûé - ñëàáî âåðèòñÿ, ÷òî íàøëîñü
ñòîëüêî íàãëåöîâ, ãîòîâûõ âûëîæèòü ñâîå èìÿ íà îáîçðåíèå âñåãî ìèðà,
ðàäè ñøèáàíèÿ íåñêîëüêèõ ñîòåí òûñÿ÷ äîëëàðîâ (åñëè ýòî ëàæà, òî
äî âûïóñêà àêöèé äåëî íå äîéäåò).
À ìàðêåòèíãîâûé äåÿòåëü ó íèõ èëè î÷åíü óìíûé, èëè î÷åíü ãëóïûé, ïîýòîìó
âñå, ÷òî îíè ãîâîðÿò, âîñïðèíèìàåòñÿ èíâåñòîðàìè íà óðà, à ëþäüìè,
ïîíèìàþùèìè ñæàòèå äàííûõ - êàê èäèîòñêàÿ áîëòîâíÿ.
Leo
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From : George Shuklin 2:5030/1377 11 Jan 02 21:18:00
To : Evgenij Masherov
Subj : Re: Ñæàòèå áåç ïîòåðü â 100 ðàç ???!
Hi Evgenij.
11 ßíâ 02 15:08, Evgenij Masherov -> All:
EM> Âîò ññûëêà íà íåêóþ ôèðìó, îáåùàþùóþ èìåííî ýòî.
EM> http://www.zeosync.com
EM> Êòî-òî ÷òî-òî ñëûøàë? Øèçà? Ðàñêðóòêà èíâåñòîðîâ? Èëè êòî-òî õàêíóë
EM> Âñåëåííóþ?
Áëèí, êàê æå äîñòàëè âèíäóñÿòíèêè... Ñòàðî êàê ìèð.  þíèõå áûëî ñ ñàìîãî íà÷àë
à. Îäèí èç ëó÷øèõ àðõèâàòîðîâ. Òåïåðü åãî ñïîäîáèëèñü ïîðòàíóòü ïîä âèíäû. Óðà.
Ùàñ åù¸ ðþøå÷åê ïîíàâåøèâàþò... Âîçüìè ëþáîé äèñòðèáüþòèâ íèêñîâ - òàì â \dev\
åñòü ôàéë nul. Ýòî è åñòü ïàêåð.
wBL, George. http://anime.org.ru/
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From : Dmitry Shkarin 2:5020/400 12 Jan 02 00:47:49
To : Evgeny Sharandin
Subj : Re: rar 3
From: "Dmitry Shkarin" <dmitry.shkarin@mtu-net.ru>
Hi, Evgeny!
> Òðåòèé ïåíü (èëè Athlon XP)? Êîïåéêè ;).
PIII, ic v.6.0.
> Ýòî â ñåêóíäàõ âðåìÿ? Òîãäà ñêîðåå óæ íåêîððåêòíîå èçìåðåíèå âðåìåíè.
Ñòàíäàðòíàÿ ïðîöåäóðà: çàïóñêàåì 5 ðàç, âûáèðàåì íàèìåíüøåå âðåìÿ.
> Âåäóùèå ïîçèöèè - çàïðîñòî. Óæå ñåé÷àñ êîìïû íà íåì ñòîÿò äåøåâëå, ÷åì ñ
> òðåòüèìè ïíÿìè. Ïðè ýòîì P4 ñïîñîáåí ðàáîòàòü êóäà áûñòðåå ïíÿ-òðè äàæå â
> ïåðåñ÷åòå íà ÌÃö, íî åãî âîçìîæíîñòè íå ðåàëèçóþòñÿ ïîêà.
>
> DS> Âðÿä-ëè, à îïòèìèçàöèÿ ïðîèçâîäèòñÿ ïîä íàèáîëåå ðàñïðîñòðàíåííûé
> DS> ïðîö.
>
> Îí îáðå÷åí íà óñïåõ, îñîáåííî åñëè Intel âûïîëíèò ñâîè îáåùàíèÿ ïî
óâåëè÷åíèþ
> ðàçìåðà êåøà (ñ 512Ê óæå ïîÿâèëèñü), âñòðàèâàíèÿ êåøà 3-ãî óðîâíÿ (êîòîðûé
> ïðåäóñìîòðåí èçíà÷àëüíî, íî áûë ïî÷åìó-òî âûêèíóò), ðåàëèçàöèè àïïàðàòíîé
> ïîääåðæêè ìíîãîïîòî÷íûõ ïðèëîæåíèé (ïî ñëóõàì îíà åñòü âî âñåõ Ï4, íî ïîêà
> çàáëîêèðîâàíà). Ïðî äàëüíåéøåå ïîâûøåíèå åãî ÷àñòîòû íà ôîíå ñâåðòûâàíèÿ
> ïðîèçâîäñòâà Ï3 ìîæíî è íå âñïîìèíàòü äàæå.
BZ> áóäåò ÷åðåç ïîëãîäà, êîãäà ðàñêðóòèòñÿ p4-öåëåðîí. âîîáùå, p4 - ëó÷øàÿ
íà
BZ> äàííûé ìîìåíò x86 àðõèòåêòóðà. äîñòàòî÷íî ñðàâíèòü ñêîðîñòü p4-2000 ñ
äðóãèìè
BZ> ïðîöåññîðàìè, èñïîëüçóþùèìè òîò æå òåõïðîöåññ - p3 1200 è duron 1200
Äîáàâëþ-êà ÿ ôðàçó "ðâåò êàê òóçèê ãðåëêó" (íåâàæíî, êòî òóò òóçèê, à
êòî - ãðåëêà). Âî, òåïåðü ru.compress ïðåâðàòèëñÿ â ïîëíîöåííûé ôèëèàë
hardw.pc.cpu ;-).
> Hó ïðî ÌÌÕ ñ SSE íà Ï3/K7 ýòî ïîíÿòíî áûëî ñðàçó. Ðå÷ü èäåò ïðî Ï4 ñ åãî
SSE2.
Âåêòîðèçàöèÿ åñòü è íà PIII (òîëüêî íàôèã îíà êîìó íóæíà?). Hó êòî áóäåò
îïòèìèçèðîâàòü ïîä P7, êîòîðûõ ñåé÷àñ, íàïðèìåð, 5% (ïóñòü äàæå äàëüøå áóäåò
~30%), åñëè ýòî òîðìîçèò ïîä P6, êîòîðûõ ~60-80%?
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From : Maxim Litvinov 2:5020/400 12 Jan 02 11:58:37
To : Evgeny Sharandin
Subj : Re: rar 3
From: "Maxim Litvinov" <limax@hot.ee>
"Evgeny Sharandin" wrote
> BZ> êñòàòè, ïîïðîáóé îòêîìïèëÿòü õîðîøèìè êîìïèëÿòîðàìè unrar è ñðàâíèòü
> BZ> ñêîðîñòü ðàñïàêîâêè ñ ñàìèì rar'îì.
>
> P4-1400. Àðõèâ ñ áîëüøîé ñâàëêîé àðõèâàòîðîâ è èõ èñõîäíèêîâ. Òåñòèðîâàíèå
> òîëüêî (òåáå âåäü ìåíüøå âñåãî âàæíà ñêîðîñòü âèí÷åñòåðà;).
>
> rar 2.8 (w32) ~ 9.5
> unrar (bcc32i -OI) ~11.2
> unrar (ic v.5.01 -O2 /Qip) ~12.8
> unrar (ic v.5.01 -O2 /Qip /QaxW) ~ 7.6
> copy comp.rar c.rar ~ 2.3
Håäóðíî.
À ìîæåøü äëÿ ñòàòèñòèêè ñêîìïèëèòü ïîñëåäîâàòåëüíî ñ êëþ÷àìè
Qaxi, QaxM, Qaxi+QaxM, QaxK è ïðîâåðèòü íà òîì æå àðõèâå è ïðîöåññîðå?
Èíòåðåñíî ïðîñòî, íàñêîëüêî SSE2 äà¸ò áÎëüøèé âûèãðûø ïî-ñðàâíåíèþ ñ
ïðåäêàìè.
Ìàêñèì
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From : Stanislav Mironov 2:5020/400 12 Jan 02 13:22:10
To : Denis Rybakov
Subj : Re: compress tools
From: "Stanislav Mironov" <beetles@ksu.ru>
"Denis Rybakov" <Denis.Rybakov@p15.f4.n5052.z2.fidonet.org> wrote:
> Ïîñîâåòóéòå áèáëèîòåêó (êðàéíå íåîáõîäèìî, ÷òîáû èìåëèñü èñõîäíèêè),
> äëÿ ïàêîâêè äàííûõ.
> Æåëàòåëüíî, ÷òîáû ýòè èñõîäíèêè áûëè ñâîáîäíûìè (íî íå îáÿçàòåëüíî).
>
> Ñëûøàë, ÷òî áûëî òàêîå íà áàçå zip'a.
>
> Hóæíî òî÷íîå íàçâàíèå ïàêåòà, ëèáî (ëó÷øå) ñðàçó url.
Java2 Platform.
Ïàêåò java.util.zip.*
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Stanislav Mironov
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From : Evgeny Sharandin 2:5020/755.12 12 Jan 02 23:11:00
To : Alexey Drugobitskiy
Subj : rar 3
Reply-To: shar@nep.cplire.ru
Ïðèâåò Alexey!
11 ÿíâàðÿ 2002 ãîäà (à áûëî òîãäà 10:39)
Alexey Drugobitskiy â ñâîåì ïèñüìå ê Evgeny Sharandin ïèñàë:
ES>> Ñ ïîÿâëåíèåì ñëåäóþùåé âåðñèè Ï4 (äâà ïðîöåññîðà â îäíîì) è
ES>> openmp ìîæåò ïðèãîäèòüñÿ.
AD> Ó ìíîãèõ òâîèõ çíàêîìûõ åñòü P4?
Ãîäà 3-4 íàçàä ó ìåíÿ áûëî ìàëî çíàêîìûõ ñ Ï3.
AD> È áóäåò ëè âûèãðûø îïðàâäàí çàòðàòàìè òðóäà Ðîøàëà?
Âûñòàâèòü íóæíûé êëþ÷èê êîìïèëÿòîðó - áîëüøèå çàòðàòû òðóäà?
Ñ óâàæåíèåì, Evgeny 12 ÿíâàðÿ 2002 ãîäà
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From : Evgeny Sharandin 2:5020/755.12 12 Jan 02 23:18:00
To : Bulat Ziganshin
Subj : rar 3
Reply-To: shar@nep.cplire.ru
Ïðèâåò Bulat!
11 ÿíâàðÿ 2002 ãîäà (à áûëî òîãäà 11:51)
Bulat Ziganshin â ñâîåì ïèñüìå ê Evgeny Sharandin ïèñàë:
ES>> Òåñòèðîâàíèå òîëüêî (òåáå âåäü ìåíüøå âñåãî âàæíà ñêîðîñòü
ES>> âèí÷åñòåðà;).
ES>> rar 2.8 (w32) ~ 9.5
ES>> unrar (bcc32i -OI) ~11.2
ES>> unrar (ic v.5.01 -O2 /Qip) ~12.8
ES>> unrar (ic v.5.01 -O2 /Qip /QaxW) ~ 7.6
BZ> àðõèâ âñ¸ âðåìÿ èç êåøà ÷èòàëñÿ?
Håò, ðàçìåð êåøà ìåíüøå. Ñðåäíåå èç 10 çàïóñêîâ, ðàçáðîñ âðåìåíè ìåæäó
çàïóñêàìè äåñÿòûå äîëè ñåêóíäû.
BZ> à òåáå íå êàæåòñÿ, ÷òî Qip çäåñü - ëèøíåå? :)
Âîçìîæíî, êëþ÷è êîìïèëÿöèè íå ïîäáèðàë. Hî åñëè Qip ëèøíåå, òî è -OI, âèäèìî,
òîæå.
ES>> Äåðæàò âñå õ86 ïðîöåññîðû (Ê7 è Ï4 â òîì ÷èñëå), ãåíåðÿò êîä
ES>> ïðàêòè÷åñêè ïîä âñå ñóùåñòâóþùèå ìíîãîïðîöåññîðíûå ñèñòåìû, ïðè
ES>> ýòîì ìîãóò àâòîìàòè÷åñêè ðàñïàðàëëåëèâàòü êîä.
BZ> äà, ÿ ýòîãî íå çàñòàë. è âïåðâûå ñëûøó î êîìïèëÿòîðå, êîòîðûé
BZ> ðàñêèäûâàåò êîä ïî òðåäàì.
Äëÿ õ86 ýòî äåéñòâèòåëüíî ðåäêîñòü, à âîîáùå íè÷åãî óäèâèòåëüíîãî. Äà è è
âîçìîæíîñòè ó PGI ñêðîìíûå.
BZ> èíòåðåñíî, ñêîëüêî âðåìåíè â rar/ppmd óõîäèò íà êîäèðîâàíèå âûõîäà
BZ> ìîäåëè
À îí óæå äåðæèò ppmd?
Ñ óâàæåíèåì, Evgeny 12 ÿíâàðÿ 2002 ãîäà
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From : Evgeny Sharandin 2:5020/755.12 12 Jan 02 23:21:00
To : Dmitry Shkarin
Subj : rar 3
Reply-To: shar@nep.cplire.ru
Ïðèâåò Dmitry!
12 ÿíâàðÿ 2002 ãîäà (à áûëî òîãäà 00:47)
Dmitry Shkarin â ñâîåì ïèñüìå ê Evgeny Sharandin ïèñàë:
>> Òðåòèé ïåíü (èëè Athlon XP)? Êîïåéêè ;).
DS> PIII, ic v.6.0.
6-é óæå âûøåë?
DS> Ñòàíäàðòíàÿ ïðîöåäóðà: çàïóñêàåì 5 ðàç, âûáèðàåì íàèìåíüøåå âðåìÿ.
×åì æå òîãäà òðèïíþ ïðîøûé cmov íå ïîíðàâèëñÿ?
>> Hó ïðî ÌÌÕ ñ SSE íà Ï3/K7 ýòî ïîíÿòíî áûëî ñðàçó. Ðå÷ü èäåò ïðî Ï4 ñ
>> åãî
DS> SSE2.
DS> Âåêòîðèçàöèÿ åñòü è íà PIII (òîëüêî íàôèã îíà êîìó íóæíà?). Hó êòî
DS> áóäåò îïòèìèçèðîâàòü ïîä P7, êîòîðûõ ñåé÷àñ, íàïðèìåð, 5% (ïóñòü äàæå
DS> äàëüøå áóäåò ~30%), åñëè ýòî òîðìîçèò ïîä P6, êîòîðûõ ~60-80%?
Åñëè ñóäèòü ïî òâîèì ðåçóëüòàòàì (QaxiMK), òî ôèôòè-ôèôòè íà P6. QaxW òàê è
âîîáùå íè÷åãî óõóäøèòü íà P6 íå â ñîñòîÿíèè, à P7 ïðèøïîðèò (ÿ æå íå ïðåäëàãàë
åùå è /G7 ïîñòàâèòü).
Ñ óâàæåíèåì, Evgeny 12 ÿíâàðÿ 2002 ãîäà
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From : Evgeny Sharandin 2:5020/755.12 12 Jan 02 23:26:00
To : Maxim Litvinov
Subj : rar 3
Reply-To: shar@nep.cplire.ru
Ïðèâåò Maxim!
12 ÿíâàðÿ 2002 ãîäà (à áûëî òîãäà 11:58)
Maxim Litvinov â ñâîåì ïèñüìå ê Evgeny Sharandin ïèñàë:
>> rar 2.8 (w32) ~ 9.5
>> unrar (bcc32i -OI) ~11.2
>> unrar (ic v.5.01 -O2 /Qip) ~12.8
>> unrar (ic v.5.01 -O2 /Qip /QaxW) ~ 7.6
>> copy comp.rar c.rar ~ 2.3
ML> Håäóðíî.
ML> À ìîæåøü äëÿ ñòàòèñòèêè ñêîìïèëèòü ïîñëåäîâàòåëüíî ñ êëþ÷àìè
Óæå íåò. Hà ñóòêè áûë âûäåëåí êîìï íà P4 è Ahtlon XP äëÿ âûáîðà. Ïîñëå çðåëûõ
ðàçìûøëåíèé ðåøèë íå ýêîíîìèòü è îò P4 îòêàçàëñÿ - K7 íà ìîèõ çàäà÷àõ è ïðè
èñïîëüçîâàíèè èìåþùåãîñÿ èíñòðóìåíòàðèÿ îêàçàëñÿ çàìåòíî áûñòðåå.
ML> Èíòåðåñíî ïðîñòî, íàñêîëüêî SSE2 äà¸ò áÎëüøèé âûèãðûø ïî-ñðàâíåíèþ ñ
ML> ïðåäêàìè.
Åñëè âåðèòü èíòåëîâñêîé äîêóìåíòàöèè ïî îïòèìèçàöèè êîäà äëÿ Ï4, â çàâèñèìîñòè
îò ðåøàåìûõ çàäà÷ - îò íè÷åãî äî ðàçîâ.
Ñ óâàæåíèåì, Evgeny 12 ÿíâàðÿ 2002 ãîäà
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From : Aleksey Kotov 2:5020/1042.32 12 Jan 02 23:28:10
To : George Shuklin
Subj : Ñæàòèå áåç ïîòåðü â 100 ðàç ???!
Äîëãèå ëåòà, George :
EM>> Âîò ññûëêà íà íåêóþ ôèðìó, îáåùàþùóþ èìåííî ýòî.
EM>> http://www.zeosync.com
EM>> Êòî-òî ÷òî-òî ñëûøàë? Øèçà? Ðàñêðóòêà èíâåñòîðîâ? Èëè êòî-òî
EM>> õàêíóë Âñåëåííóþ?
GS> Áëèí, êàê æå äîñòàëè âèíäóñÿòíèêè... Ñòàðî êàê ìèð. Â þíèõå áûëî ñ
GS> ñàìîãî íà÷àëà. Îäèí èç ëó÷øèõ àðõèâàòîðîâ. Òåïåðü åãî ñïîäîáèëèñü
GS> ïîðòàíóòü ïîä âèíäû. Óðà. Ùàñ åù¸ ðþøå÷åê ïîíàâåøèâàþò... Âîçüìè ëþáîé
GS> äèñòðèáüþòèâ íèêñîâ - òàì â \dev\ åñòü ôàéë nul. Ýòî è åñòü ïàêåð.
Áîëüøîé ôàéë? À ïîðò ïîä ìàçäàé åñòü? url?
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From : Sergei Klochkov 2:5049/48.15 13 Jan 02 01:41:27
To : Bulat Ziganshin
Subj : rar 3
Hello Bulat!
Thursday January 10 2002 22:25, you wrote to Dmitry Shkarin:
DS>> Áóäóþùåå PIV âåñüìà òóìàííî. Áóäåò îí çàíèìàòü >50% ðûíêà?
BZ> áóäåò ÷åðåç ïîëãîäà, êîãäà ðàñêðóòèòñÿ p4-öåëåðîí. âîîáùå, p4 -
BZ> ëó÷øàÿ íà äàííûé ìîìåíò x86 àðõèòåêòóðà. äîñòàòî÷íî ñðàâíèòü ñêîðîñòü
BZ> p4-2000 ñ äðóãèìè ïðîöåññîðàìè, èñïîëüçóþùèìè òîò æå òåõïðîöåññ - p3
BZ> 1200 è duron 1200
ãì... íàäî áóäåò ïîòåñòèòü åãî â pure x86... à òî ÿ ïîñëå òîãî, êàê åãî 166
nonMMX ñäåëàë, ñîâñåì PIV çà ïðîö ïåðåñòàë ñ÷èòàòü... ìîæåò è â ïðàâäó åãî ñ òå
õ ïîð óñêîðèëè... ñêîðåå âñåãî ñ ôèøêàìè êðó÷å, à áåç íèõ âñ¸ òîò æå òîðìîç...
äà âïðî÷åì âñ¸ ðàâíî AthlonXP êðó÷å :)
Hó, áëèí, íàøëè î ÷¸ì ñïîðèòü. Ëó÷øå áû òðåáîâàíèÿ ê ïàìÿòè ïîâûñèëè - îíà äå
øåâëå è ìàòåðèíêó ìåíÿòü íå òðåáóåò, òàê ÷òî íà 192-256Mb ïîä àðõèâàòîð íà ñåãî
äíÿ ðàñ÷èòûâàòü ìîæíî.
Good Luck! Sergei Kl.
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From : RockMover 2:5020/400 13 Jan 02 02:07:30
To : George Shuklin
Subj : Re: Ñæàòèå áåç ïîòåðü â 100 ðàç ???!
From: "RockMover" <rmover@aport.ru>
Ïðèâåò!
George Shuklin wrote:
> Hi Evgenij.
>
> 11 ßíâ 02 15:08, Evgenij Masherov -> All:
>
> EM> Âîò ññûëêà íà íåêóþ ôèðìó, îáåùàþùóþ èìåííî ýòî.
> EM> http://www.zeosync.com
> EM> Êòî-òî ÷òî-òî ñëûøàë? Øèçà? Ðàñêðóòêà èíâåñòîðîâ? Èëè êòî-òî õàêíóë
> EM> Âñåëåííóþ?
Hå ïî òåìå, íî âñå-òàêè: íàïîìíèòå, ïëèç, êàê íàçûâàëàñü
òà ïðèêîëüíàÿ ïðîãà, êîòîðàÿ ìàñêèðîâàëàñü ïîä êîìïðåññîð,
à ñàìà âñå ñêèäûâàëà â ñâîþ "dll'êó" â äèðåêòîðèè windows?
(õî÷ó íàéòè è íàä çíàêîìûìè ïîøóòèòü.)
> Áëèí, êàê æå äîñòàëè âèíäóñÿòíèêè... Ñòàðî êàê ìèð. Â þíèõå áûëî ñ ñàìîãî
> íà÷àëà. Îäèí èç ëó÷øèõ àðõèâàòîðîâ. Òåïåðü åãî ñïîäîáèëèñü ïîðòàíóòü ïîä
âèíäû.
> Óðà. Ùàñ åù¸ ðþøå÷åê ïîíàâåøèâàþò... Âîçüìè ëþáîé äèñòðèáüþòèâ íèêñîâ -
òàì â
> \dev\ åñòü ôàéë nul. Ýòî è åñòü ïàêåð.
Áëèí, êàê æå äîñòàëè _òóïûå, îãðàíè÷åííûå, äîìîðîùåííûå_
"õðåíóêñîèäû", íå çíàþùèå, ÷òî íè â îäíîì äèñòðå *nix'îâ íåò íè
äèðåêòîðèÿ \dev\, íè ôàéëà nul â äèðåêòîðèè /dev/ ... (à â DOS'å
óñòðîéñòâî nul áûëî âñåãäà).
> wBL, George. http://anime.org.ru/
WBR, RockMover
I am The Master of Flame...
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From : Comoderator 2:5093/4.126 13 Jan 02 12:28:22
To : Sergei Klochkov
Subj : rar 3
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Ïðèÿòíîãî òåáå äíÿ è íåçàáûâàåìîé íî÷è, Sergei!
Sunday January 13 2002, Sergei Klochkov writes to Bulat Ziganshin:
SK> ãì... íàäî áóäåò ïîòåñòèòü åãî â pure x86... à òî ÿ ïîñëå òîãî,
[+] çà ôëåéì
SK> * Origin: ----> Default GoldED Origin <---- (2:5049/48.15)
Bulat, mailto:bulatz-AT-fort.tatarstan.ru, ICQ: work 15872722, home 11849833
... Èíîãäà äëÿ òîãî, ÷òîáû èçìåíèòü ñâîå âîñïðèÿòèå ìèðà,
... ëþäè ïûòàþòñÿ èçìåíèòü ñàì ìèð
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From : Vadim Vygovsky 2:5022/5.41 13 Jan 02 15:14:15
To : Sergei Klochkov
Subj : rar 3
Hello, Sergei!
Âîñêðåñåíüå ßíâàðü 13 2002 01:41, Sergei Klochkov wrote to Bulat Ziganshin:
SK> Hó, áëèí, íàøëè î ÷¸ì ñïîðèòü. Ëó÷øå áû òðåáîâàíèÿ ê ïàìÿòè ïîâûñèëè
SK> - îíà äåøåâëå è ìàòåðèíêó ìåíÿòü íå òðåáóåò, òàê ÷òî íà 192-256Mb ïîä
SK> àðõèâàòîð íà ñåãîäíÿ ðàñ÷èòûâàòü ìîæíî.
Try 7-zip. Ñ õîðîøèì ñëîâàðåì è patricia tree åìó è ãèãà ìàëî.
WBR, Vadim
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From : Alexey Drugobitskiy 2:465/222.18 13 Jan 02 16:33:43
To : Evgeny Sharandin
Subj : rar 3
Hello Evgeny.
12 Jan 02 23:11, you wrote to me:
ES>>> Ñ ïîÿâëåíèåì ñëåäóþùåé âåðñèè Ï4 (äâà ïðîöåññîðà â îäíîì) è
ES>>> openmp ìîæåò ïðèãîäèòüñÿ.
AD>> Ó ìíîãèõ òâîèõ çíàêîìûõ åñòü P4?
ES> Ãîäà 3-4 íàçàä ó ìåíÿ áûëî ìàëî çíàêîìûõ ñ Ï3.
3-4 ãîäà íàçàä íà ðûíêå áûëà äðóãàÿ ñèòóàöèÿ. Òîãäà, íåñìîòðÿ íà ñâîþ öåíó, P3
áûë äåéñòâèòåëüíî ñàìûì áûñòðûì è â ïåðñïåêòèâå - îïòèìàëüíûì ïî öåíà/ïðîèçâîäè
òåëüíîñòü. Âäîáàâîê âåñü ñîôò âûïóñêàëñÿ ïî óìîë÷àíèþ îïòèìèçèðîâàííûì ïîä àðõè
òåêòóðó PPro(+MMX/+SSE). Òåïåðü æå èç-çà îðèåíòèðîâàííîñòè íà óçêèå âèäû çàäà÷
è äëèííîãî êîíâåéåðà äàæå â ñâåòå ïîíèæåíèÿ öåí, P4 íå âûãëÿäèò òàêèì îäíîçíà÷í
ûì ëèäåðîì êàê P3 òîãäà. Òîãäà êàê íà K7 ðóëèò âñ¸ - è ñòàðîå, è íîâîå. À ñ ïîÿ
âëåíèåì â Palomino êîìàíä SSE ìîæíî ãîâîðèòü î ïðåäïî÷òåíèè K7 IV-ìó (äà è III)
Pentium.
AD>> È áóäåò ëè âûèãðûø îïðàâäàí çàòðàòàìè òðóäà Ðîøàëà?
ES> Âûñòàâèòü íóæíûé êëþ÷èê êîìïèëÿòîðó - áîëüøèå çàòðàòû òðóäà?
Áîþñü, ÷òî êëþ÷èêîì äåëî íå îãðàíè÷èòñÿ. Äëÿ ïîëíîãî èñïîëüçîâàíèÿ ôè÷ P4 ïðèä¸
òñÿ SSE2 þçàòü íåïîñðåäñòâåííî.
Alexey
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From : George Shuklin 2:5030/1377 13 Jan 02 20:43:30
To : Rockmover
Subj : Re^2: Ñæàòèå áåç ïîòåðü â 100 ðàç ???!
Hi RockMover.
13 ßíâ 02 02:07, RockMover -> George Shuklin:
>> Óðà. Ùàñ åù¸ ðþøå÷åê ïîíàâåøèâàþò... Âîçüìè ëþáîé äèñòðèáüþòèâ
>> íèêñîâ - òàì â\dev\ åñòü ôàéë nul. Ýòî è åñòü ïàêåð.
R> Áëèí, êàê æå äîñòàëè _òóïûå, îãðàíè÷åííûå, äîìîðîùåííûå_
À òû ÷èòàé ïîäðîáíåå. Èìåëîñü â âèäó - óñòàíîâè, ïîñìîòðè â êàòàëîãå. À òû öåïë
ÿåøüñÿ ê ñëîâàì.
R> "õðåíóêñîèäû", íå çíàþùèå, ÷òî íè â îäíîì äèñòðå *nix'îâ íåò íè
R> äèðåêòîðèÿ \dev\, íè ôàéëà nul â äèðåêòîðèè /dev/ ... (à â DOS'å
R> óñòðîéñòâî nul áûëî âñåãäà).
Èìõî ïàéïû òîëüêî â òðåòüåé âåðñèè ïðèäåëàëè... Õîòÿ ìîæåò ÿ ïóòàþ... Ïîòîìó êà
ê â CM/P èõ íå áûëî.
wBL, George. http://anime.org.ru/
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From : George Shuklin 2:5030/1377 13 Jan 02 20:46:10
To : Aleksey Kotov
Subj : Re: Ñæàòèå áåç ïîòåðü â 100 ðàç ???!
Hi Aleksey.
12 ßíâ 02 23:28, Aleksey Kotov -> George Shuklin:
GS>> ñ ñàìîãî íà÷àëà. Îäèí èç ëó÷øèõ àðõèâàòîðîâ. Òåïåðü åãî
GS>> ñïîäîáèëèñü ïîðòàíóòü ïîä âèíäû. Óðà. Ùàñ åù¸ ðþøå÷åê
GS>> ïîíàâåøèâàþò... Âîçüìè ëþáîé äèñòðèáüþòèâ íèêñîâ - òàì â \dev\
GS>> åñòü ôàéë nul. Ýòî è åñòü ïàêåð.
AK> Áîëüøîé ôàéë? À ïîðò ïîä ìàçäàé åñòü? url?
Ý... Âðîäå íåò.
wBL, George. http://anime.org.ru/
--- [Ãåòåðî Ñàïèåíñ] * [Ðàá áîæèé sector_@spb.cityline.ru] * [Anime69]
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From : Alexander Lezin 2:5059/9.77 13 Jan 02 20:57:22
To : Aleksey Kotov
Subj : Ñæàòèå áåç ïîòåðü â 100 ðàç ???!
Morituri te salutant, Aleksey
12 ÿíâàðÿ 2002 23:28, Aleksey Kotov -> George Shuklin
EM>>> Âîò ññûëêà íà íåêóþ ôèðìó, îáåùàþùóþ èìåííî ýòî.
EM>>> http://www.zeosync.com
EM>>> Êòî-òî ÷òî-òî ñëûøàë? Øèçà? Ðàñêðóòêà èíâåñòîðîâ? Èëè êòî-òî
EM>>> õàêíóë Âñåëåííóþ?
GS>> ïîíàâåøèâàþò... Âîçüìè ëþáîé äèñòðèáüþòèâ íèêñîâ - òàì â \dev\
GS>> åñòü ôàéë nul. Ýòî è åñòü ïàêåð.
AK> Áîëüøîé ôàéë? À ïîðò ïîä ìàçäàé åñòü? url?
Hå, ìàëåíüêèé. Îêîëî 0 áàéò. È â äîñå îí åñòü. È íàçûâàåòñÿ îí nul. À æì¸ò
ïî÷òè ìãíîâåííî. Åñëè òû åù¸ íå ïîíÿë, î ÷¸ì èä¸ò ðå÷ü, ïîó÷è ìàò÷àñòü.
PS. À âîîáùå ïî ïîâîäó àðõèâàòîðîâ ñ êîýô ñæàòèÿ 1:1000000 â ôàêå íàïèñàíî.
Âåðîÿòíî, ýòî èç òîé æå îïåðû.
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From : Evgeny Sharandin 2:5020/755.12 14 Jan 02 01:45:00
To : Alexey Drugobitskiy
Subj : rar 3
Reply-To: shar@nep.cplire.ru
Ïðèâåò Alexey!
13 ÿíâàðÿ 2002 ãîäà (à áûëî òîãäà 16:33)
Alexey Drugobitskiy â ñâîåì ïèñüìå ê Evgeny Sharandin ïèñàë:
AD>>> Ó ìíîãèõ òâîèõ çíàêîìûõ åñòü P4?
ES>> Ãîäà 3-4 íàçàä ó ìåíÿ áûëî ìàëî çíàêîìûõ ñ Ï3.
AD> 3-4 ãîäà íàçàä íà ðûíêå áûëà äðóãàÿ ñèòóàöèÿ. Òîãäà, íåñìîòðÿ íà ñâîþ
AD> öåíó, P3 áûë äåéñòâèòåëüíî ñàìûì áûñòðûì è â ïåðñïåêòèâå - îïòèìàëüíûì
AD> ïî öåíà/ïðîèçâîäèòåëüíîñòü.
Ñåé÷àñ ñèòóàöèÿ âî ìíîãîì àíàëîãè÷íà. Hûíå Ï4 ÿâëÿåòñÿ ñàìûì áûñòðûì èç
32-õðàçðÿäíûõ ïðîöåññîðîâ íà îïåðàöèÿõ ñ ïëàâàþùåé òî÷êîé è âòîðûì, ïîñëå Ê7,
íà öåëî÷èñëåííûõ. Åñëè ó÷åñòü, ÷òî ðàçâèòèå è P3, è Ê7, ôàêòè÷åñêè îñòàíîâëåíî,
à äëÿ Ð4 îáåùàþòñÿ åùå, ïî êðàéíåé ìåðå, 3 ìîäèôèêàöèè (íå ó÷èòûâàÿ äàëüíåéøåå
ïîâûøåíèå ÷àñòîòû), òî î÷åíü ñêîðî îí ñòàíåò ñàìûì áûñòðûì âåçäå. Hî åñòü îäíî
íî - ïðè âûïîëíåíèè îïòèìèçèðîâàííîãî ïîä Ppro êîäà P4 âûãëÿäèò âåñüìà æàëêî.
Îïòèìàëüíîñòü ïî êðèòåðèþ öåíà/ïðîèçâîäèòåëüíîñòü Ï3 âåñüìà ñîìíèòåëüíà, duron
è celeron ñóùåñòâåííî äåøåâëå ïðè ñîèçìåðèìîé ïðîèçâîäèòåëüíîñòè. Ñ Ï4 ñèòóàöèÿ
äðóãàÿ - óæå ñåé÷àñ ñèñòåìû íà Ï4 äåøåâëå ñèñòåì íà Ê7, PIII è, äàæå!!!
iCeleron ñîèçìåðèìîé ñ íèì ïðîèçâîäèòåëüíîñòè.
AD> Âäîáàâîê âåñü ñîôò âûïóñêàëñÿ ïî óìîë÷àíèþ îïòèìèçèðîâàííûì ïîä
AD> àðõèòåêòóðó PPro(+MMX/+SSE). Òåïåðü æå èç-çà îðèåíòèðîâàííîñòè íà
AD> óçêèå âèäû çàäà÷ è äëèííîãî êîíâåéåðà äàæå â ñâåòå ïîíèæåíèÿ öåí,
Hå íóæíî ïîääàâàòüñÿ ðåêëàìíûì ñëîãàíàì. Håñìîòðÿ íà áîëüøóþ çàÿâëåííóþ äëèíó
êîíâåéåðà Ï4, îáû÷íî ó íåãî êîìàíäû ïðîõîäÿò ÷åðåç ìåíüøåå ÷èñëî ñòóïåíåé, ÷åì
ó Ï3, íå ãîâîðÿ óæå î Ê7. Hå õîòåëîñü áû ïðåâðàùàòü ýõó â ôèëèàë
SU.HARDW.PC.CPU, òàê ÷òî ïðîñòî ïîâåðü íà ñëîâî - çàÿâëåíèÿ ïðî êðàéíå
íåãàòèâíîå âëèÿíèå äëèííîãî êîíâåéåðà íà ïðîèçâîäèòåëüíîñòü Ï4 ýòî íå ïðîñòî
ñêàçêè, à çëîáíûå èíñåíóàöèè. Äëÿ ñïðàâêè:
K7 P4
Çàÿâëåíîå ÷èñëî
ñòàäèé êîâåéåðà 13 20
Ìèí. ïóòü, ñòàäèé 13 3 (îäíà èç ñòàäèé, âîçìîæíî,
íà óäâîåííîé ÷àñòîòå)
Ìàêñ. ïóòü, ñòàäèé 18 17 (íå óâåðåí, ÷òî ïðàâèëüíî
ïîñ÷èòàë. Ñêîðåå ìåíüøå)
"Ïåíàëüòè" ïðè ïåðåõîäå
ïðåäñêàçàííûé 1 0
íåïðåäñêàçàííûé >=7 2-8
AD> íå âûãëÿäèò òàêèì îäíîçíà÷íûì ëèäåðîì êàê P3 òîãäà. Òîãäà êàê íà K7
AD> ðóëèò âñ¸ - è ñòàðîå, è íîâîå. À ñ ïîÿâëåíèåì â Palomino êîìàíä SSE
AD> ìîæíî ãîâîðèòü î ïðåäïî÷òåíèè K7 IV-ìó (äà è III) Pentium.
Òâîè àðãóìåíòû ïîíÿòíû è ïîëíîñòüþ îïðàâäàíû. Hî îíè õðîìàþò íà îäíó íîãó,
îñòàâëÿÿ çà áîðòîì Ï4. À âåäü èñïðàâèòü õðîìîòó î÷åíü ïðîñòî.
AD>>> È áóäåò ëè âûèãðûø îïðàâäàí çàòðàòàìè òðóäà Ðîøàëà?
ES>> Âûñòàâèòü íóæíûé êëþ÷èê êîìïèëÿòîðó - áîëüøèå çàòðàòû òðóäà?
AD> Áîþñü, ÷òî êëþ÷èêîì äåëî íå îãðàíè÷èòñÿ. Äëÿ ïîëíîãî èñïîëüçîâàíèÿ ôè÷
AD> P4 ïðèä¸òñÿ SSE2 þçàòü íåïîñðåäñòâåííî.
Âîò èìåííî ýòî è ïîçâîëÿåò ñäåëàòü äàííûé êëþ÷èê â Intel C. Îí çàñòàâëÿåò
çàïèõíóòü â îäèí exe-øíèê íåñêîëüêî âàðèàíòîâ êîäà, îïòèìèçèðîâàííîãî ïîä
ðàçíûå êàìíè. Ñêàçàâ êîìïèëÿòîðó /QaxW, òû çàñòàâèøü åãî ñôîðìèðîâàòü 2
âàðèàíòà êîäà, ñ ïîääåðæêîé SSE2 (P4 only) è áåç òàêîâîé (âñå îñòàëüíûå), âûáîð
ìåæäó êîòîðûìè áóäåò îñóùåñòâëÿòüñÿ àâòîìàòè÷åñêè ïðè ñòàðòå ïðîãðàììû. Ðàçâå
ýòî ïëîõî äëÿ íàðîäíîãî àðõèâàòîðà? À âåäü íàðîä ñåé÷àñ âîâñþ ïîêóïàåò P4.
Ñ óâàæåíèåì, Evgeny 14 ÿíâàðÿ 2002 ãîäà
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From : Anton Morozov 2:5051/28.7 14 Jan 02 07:58:46
To : George Shuklin
Subj : Ñæàòèå áåç ïîòåðü â 100 ðàç ???!
Ïðèâåòñòâóþ òåáÿ, George !
George Shuklin ïèñàë Aleksey Kotov:
GS>>> ñ ñàìîãî íà÷àëà. Îäèí èç ëó÷øèõ àðõèâàòîðîâ. Òåïåðü åãî
GS>>> ñïîäîáèëèñü ïîðòàíóòü ïîä âèíäû. Óðà. Ùàñ åù¸ ðþøå÷åê
GS>>> ïîíàâåøèâàþò... Âîçüìè ëþáîé äèñòðèáüþòèâ íèêñîâ - òàì â \dev\
GS>>> åñòü ôàéë nul. Ýòî è åñòü ïàêåð.
AK>> Áîëüøîé ôàéë? À ïîðò ïîä ìàçäàé åñòü? url?
GS> Ý... Âðîäå íåò.
Åñòü. Ïîïðîáóé íàïèñàòü â DOS/9.X ñèñòåìå copy ôàéë /dev/nul - ñêîïèðóåòñÿ.
Òüìà ñ íàìè, George...
[Cannabis Club] [Turbo Pascal] [Êóííèëèíãóñ] [Assembler] [Àëüôà Éîä Ïåðâèòèí]
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From : Evgenij Masherov 2:5020/175.2 14 Jan 02 10:20:00
To : George Shuklin
Subj : Re: Ñæàòèå áåç ïîòåðü â 100 ðàç ???!
From: "Evgenij Masherov" <EMasherow@nsi.ru>
Fri Jan 11 2002 21:18, George Shuklin wrote to Evgenij Masherov:
EM>> Âîò ññûëêà íà íåêóþ ôèðìó, îáåùàþùóþ èìåííî ýòî.
EM>> http://www.zeosync.com
EM>> Êòî-òî ÷òî-òî ñëûøàë? Øèçà? Ðàñêðóòêà èíâåñòîðîâ? Èëè êòî-òî õàêíóë
EM>> Âñåëåííóþ?
GS> Áëèí, êàê æå äîñòàëè âèíäóñÿòíèêè... Ñòàðî êàê ìèð. Â þíèõå áûëî ñ ñàìîãî
GS> íà÷àëà. Îäèí èç ëó÷øèõ àðõèâàòîðîâ. Òåïåðü åãî ñïîäîáèëèñü ïîðòàíóòü ïîä
GS> âèíäû. Óðà. Ùàñ åù¸ ðþøå÷åê ïîíàâåøèâàþò... Âîçüìè ëþáîé äèñòðèáüþòèâ
GS> íèêñîâ - òàì â \dev\ åñòü ôàéë nul. Ýòî è åñòü ïàêåð.
Hó, êàê ÷åëîâåê, ïðîãðàììèðîâàâøèé óñòðîéñòâî NUL â ïîÿâèâøåéñÿ íåñêîëüêî
ðàíåå âñåõ UNIX'îâ OS/360 :), äîëæåí çàìåòèòü, ÷òî ó óïîìÿíóòîãî ïàêåðà åñòü
íåêîòðîûå íåäîñòàòêè.  ÷àñòíîñòè, âðåìÿ ðàñïàêîâêè, ñðàâíèìîå ñ âðåìåíåì
æèçíè Âñåëåííîé.
À åñëè ñåðüåçíî - õîòåëîñü áû çíàòü, ÷èñòàÿ ëè ýòî ðàçâîäêà, èëè æå ïîÿâèëèñü
ñóùåñòâåííî íîâûå èäåè (íåñêîëüêî ðàçäóòûå ãã. æóðíàëèñòàìè).
Ñ óâàæåíèåì
Åâãåíèé Ìàøåðîâ ÀÊÀ ÑàíèòàðÆåíÿ
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Ïðèÿòíîãî òåáå äíÿ è íåçàáûâàåìîé íî÷è, All!
Friday January 11 2002, Evgeny Sharandin writes to Bulat Ziganshin:
ES> È ïðàâèëüíî äåëàåò ;). Òàê ïî÷åìó æå íå çàäåéñòâîâàòü SSE, åñëè îí
ES> ðàäèêàëüíî ïðèøïîðèâàåò Ï4 (à áåç SSE Ï4 âûãëÿäèò âåñüìà æàëêî) íå
ïðîñüáà êî âñåì, íå çíàþùèì õîòÿ áû àñìà, ïðåêðàòèòü ýòî îáñóæäåíèå â ýõå
Bulat, mailto:bulatz-AT-fort.tatarstan.ru, ICQ: work 15872722, home 11849833
... Èíîãäà äëÿ òîãî, ÷òîáû èçìåíèòü ñâîå âîñïðèÿòèå ìèðà,
... ëþäè ïûòàþòñÿ èçìåíèòü ñàì ìèð
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To : All
Subj : nul
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Ïðèÿòíîãî òåáå äíÿ è íåçàáûâàåìîé íî÷è, All!
Monday January 14 2002, Evgenij Masherov writes to George Shuklin:
EM> Hó, êàê ÷åëîâåê, ïðîãðàììèðîâàâøèé óñòðîéñòâî NUL â ïîÿâèâøåéñÿ
ïðîñüáà êî âñåì íàïðàâèòü ðàçãîâîðû î nul òóäà æå
Bulat, mailto:bulatz-AT-fort.tatarstan.ru, ICQ: work 15872722, home 11849833
... Èíîãäà äëÿ òîãî, ÷òîáû èçìåíèòü ñâîå âîñïðèÿòèå ìèðà,
... ëþäè ïûòàþòñÿ èçìåíèòü ñàì ìèð
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From : Eugene Roshal 2:5020/400 14 Jan 02 12:38:13
To : Evgeny Sharandin
Subj : Re: rar 3
From: "Eugene Roshal" <roshal@rarsoft.com>
Hello,
ES> îïòèìèçèðîâàííîãî ïîä ðàçíûå êàìíè. Ñêàçàâ êîìïèëÿòîðó /QaxW, òû
ES> çàñòàâèøü åãî ñôîðìèðîâàòü 2 âàðèàíòà êîäà, ñ ïîääåðæêîé SSE2 (P4
ES> only) è áåç òàêîâîé (âñå îñòàëüíûå), âûáîð ìåæäó êîòîðûìè áóäåò
ES> îñóùåñòâëÿòüñÿ àâòîìàòè÷åñêè ïðè ñòàðòå ïðîãðàììû. Ðàçâå ýòî ïëîõî
ES> äëÿ íàðîäíîãî àðõèâàòîðà? À âåäü íàðîä ñåé÷àñ âîâñþ ïîêóïàåò P4.
Hàäî áóäåò ìíå ïîòîì ñêîìïèëèðîâàòü RAR Intel C 5.0 è ïîñìîòðåòü
íà ðåçóëüòàò. Ñ Intel C 4.5 è P3 îí íå áûë âïå÷àòëÿþùèì, íî, âîçìîæíî,
ñèòóàöèÿ äåéñòâèòåëüíî èçìåíèëàñü. Òîëüêî ñíà÷àëà ìíå íóæíî âûïóñòèòü
RAR 3.0, òàê êàê íåîõîòà ê îøèáêàì íîâîé âåðñèè äîáàâëÿòü ïîòåíöèàëüíûå
îøèáêè èç-çà ñìåíû êîìïèëÿòîðà, è ïðîàïãðýéäèòüñÿ, ñåé÷àñ ó ìåíÿ P3.
Eugene
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From : Bulat Ziganshin 2:5093/4.126 14 Jan 02 14:12:38
To : Eugene Roshal
Subj : rar 3
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Ïðèÿòíîãî òåáå äíÿ è íåçàáûâàåìîé íî÷è, Eugene!
Monday January 14 2002, Eugene Roshal writes to Evgeny Sharandin:
ER> Hàäî áóäåò ìíå ïîòîì ñêîìïèëèðîâàòü RAR Intel C 5.0 è ïîñìîòðåòü
ER> íà ðåçóëüòàò. Ñ Intel C 4.5 è P3 îí íå áûë âïå÷àòëÿþùèì, íî,
ER> âîçìîæíî,
ER> ñèòóàöèÿ äåéñòâèòåëüíî èçìåíèëàñü. Òîëüêî ñíà÷àëà ìíå íóæíî âûïóñòèòü
ER> RAR 3.0, òàê êàê íåîõîòà ê îøèáêàì íîâîé âåðñèè äîáàâëÿòü
ER> ïîòåíöèàëüíûå îøèáêè èç-çà ñìåíû êîìïèëÿòîðà, è ïðîàïãðýéäèòüñÿ,
ER> ñåé÷àñ ó ìåíÿ P3.
1) âðîäå óæå åñòü ic 6.0
2) íà ýòîò ãîä íàðîäíûé ïðîöåññîð (òî÷íåå àðõèòåêòóðà) - p6
Bulat, mailto:bulatz-AT-fort.tatarstan.ru, ICQ: work 15872722, home 11849833
... Èíîãäà äëÿ òîãî, ÷òîáû èçìåíèòü ñâîå âîñïðèÿòèå ìèðà,
... ëþäè ïûòàþòñÿ èçìåíèòü ñàì ìèð
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From : IP Robot 2:5093/4.126 14 Jan 02 20:43:30
To : All
Subj : News at ftp://ftp.elf.stuba.sk/pub/pc/pack/
ftp://ftp.elf.stuba.sk/pub/pc/pack/qsfv210.exe
Quick SFV v2.1 - SFV Checker for Win32 (125,319 bytes)
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From : Evgeny Sharandin 2:5020/755.12 15 Jan 02 02:26:00
To : Pavel Guscha
Subj : rar 3
Reply-To: shar@nep.cplire.ru
Ïðèâåò Pavel!
11 ÿíâàðÿ 2002 ãîäà (à áûëî òîãäà 18:41)
Pavel Guscha â ñâîåì ïèñüìå ê Bulat Ziganshin ïèñàë:
BZ>> ëó÷øàÿ íà äàííûé ìîìåíò x86 àpõèòåêòópà. äîñòàòî÷íî ñpàâíèòü
BZ>> ñêîpîñòü p4-2000 ñ äpóãèìè ïpîöåññîpàìè, èñïîëüçóþùèìè òîò æå
BZ>> òåõïpîöåññ - p3 1200 è duron 1200
PG> À ó Athlon áîëåå íîâûé òåõïpîöåññ, íî îí ïî÷åìó-òî äåøåâëå
Ïî äàííûì íà ñåðåäèíó äåêàáðÿ â 5020 (Êîìïüþòåðû è îðãòåõíèêà N24)
Athlon XP 1900+ ~$330
iP-4 1900MHz ~$275 -20%
PG> è ïpè 1400-1600 íà ìíîãèõ ïpèëîæåíèÿõ òîï÷åò p4-2000 òîëüêî â ïóòü.
Òåñòû àðõèâàòîðîâ èç ñîñòàâà SpecINT-2000 (www.spec.org). Áàçîâûé ðåéòèíã.
AthlonXP-1900+ iP-4-1900
164.gzip 811 685 -18%
256.bzip2 554 504 -10%
Ñ óâàæåíèåì, Evgeny 15 ÿíâàðÿ 2002 ãîäà
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From : Sergei Klochkov 2:5049/48.15 15 Jan 02 02:49:34
To : All
Subj : âûáîð ïîðÿäêà ìîäåëè äëÿ PPMd
Hello All!
Êðîìå êàê ïåðåáîðîì %subj% îñóùåñòâèòü êàê-íèáóäü âîçìîæíî ? È âñåãäà ëè
çàâèñèìîñòü comp.ratio/model (åñëè ñ÷èòàòü, ÷òî ïàìÿòè âñåãäà õâàòàåò) ó PPMd
áóäåò îäíîýêñòðåìàëüíîé (íà ïðàêòèêå) ?
Good Luck! Sergei Kl.
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From : Comoderator 2:5093/4.126 15 Jan 02 02:55:27
To : Anton Morozov
Subj : Ñæàòèå áåç ïîòåðü â 100 ðàç ???!
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Ïðèÿòíîãî òåáå äíÿ è íåçàáûâàåìîé íî÷è, Anton!
Monday January 14 2002, Anton Morozov writes to George Shuklin:
AM> Åñòü. Ïîïðîáóé íàïèñàòü â DOS/9.X ñèñòåìå copy ôàéë /dev/nul -
[!] ÿ ïðåäóïðåæäàë
Bulat, mailto:bulatz-AT-fort.tatarstan.ru, ICQ: work 15872722, home 11849833
... Èíîãäà äëÿ òîãî, ÷òîáû èçìåíèòü ñâîå âîñïðèÿòèå ìèðà,
... ëþäè ïûòàþòñÿ èçìåíèòü ñàì ìèð
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From : Sergei Klochkov 2:5049/48.15 15 Jan 02 03:04:57
To : Vadim Vygovsky
Subj : rar 3
Hello Vadim!
Sunday January 13 2002 15:14, you wrote to me:
SK>> Ëó÷øå áû òðåáîâàíèÿ ê ïàìÿòè ïîâûñèëè - íà 192-256Mb ïîä
SK>> àðõèâàòîð íà ñåãîäíÿ ðàñ÷èòûâàòü ìîæíî.
VV> Try 7-zip. Ñ õîðîøèì ñëîâàðåì è patricia tree åìó è ãèãà ìàëî.
Ìîæåò ãäå-íèáóäü ìîæíî íàéòè ñðàâíåíèå òîãî íà ñêîëüêî âîçðàñòàåò comp.ratio
â çàâèñèìîñòè îò ðàçìåðîâ èñïîëüçóåìîé ïàìÿòè íà ðàçëè÷íûõ òèïàõ äàííûõ (ãäå-í
èáóäü äî 1-20Mb) ?
Good Luck! Sergei Kl.
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From : Leonid Broukhis 2:5020/400 15 Jan 02 09:15:05
To : Leonid Broukhis
Subj : Re: Ñæàòèå áåç ïîòåðü â 100 ðàç ???!
From: leob@mailcom.com (Leonid Broukhis)
Leonid Broukhis wrote:
>Äà è ñïèñîê íàó÷íûõ ðàáîòíèêîâ ó íèõ äëèííûé - ñëàáî âåðèòñÿ, ÷òî íàøëîñü
>ñòîëüêî íàãëåöîâ, ãîòîâûõ âûëîæèòü ñâîå èìÿ íà îáîçðåíèå âñåãî ìèðà,
>ðàäè ñøèáàíèÿ íåñêîëüêèõ ñîòåí òûñÿ÷ äîëëàðîâ (åñëè ýòî ëàæà, òî
>äî âûïóñêà àêöèé äåëî íå äîéäåò).
Ñïèñîê íàó÷íûõ ðàáîòíèêîâ ðåçêî ñîêðàòèëñÿ. Êàê óòâåðæäàþò, áîëüøèíñòâî
óïîìÿíóòûõ íå èìåëî ïîíÿòèÿ, ÷òî íàõîäÿòñÿ ó ZeoSync â ñïèñêàõ,
è êàê òîëüêî èì îá ýòîì ñîîáùèëè, îíè ïîòðåáîâàëè èñêëþ÷èòü ñåáÿ îòòóäà.
Òàê ÷òî âåðîÿòíîñòü ëàæè âîçðîñëà.
Leo
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From : Alexander Topolskiy 2:6009/9 15 Jan 02 15:57:20
To : All
Subj : faq
Èñòèíà ãäå-òî ðÿäîì, All...
À òóò ñàáæ åñòü? Èëè ìîæåò êòî-òî ïîäåëèòñÿ îêîëîñàáæåâîé èíôîé?
wbr, Nikko.
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From : Alexander Topolskiy 2:6009/9 15 Jan 02 16:04:04
To : Aleksey Kotov
Subj : Ñæàòèå áåç ïîòåðü â 100 ðàç ???!
Èñòèíà ãäå-òî ðÿäîì, Aleksey...
Ñóááîòà ßíâàðü 12 2002 23:28, Aleksey Kotov ïèñàë George Shuklin:
GS>> Áëèí, êàê æå äîñòàëè âèíäóñÿòíèêè... Ñòàðî êàê ìèð. Â þíèõå áûëî
GS>> ñ ñàìîãî íà÷àëà. Îäèí èç ëó÷øèõ àðõèâàòîðîâ. Òåïåðü åãî
GS>> ñïîäîáèëèñü ïîðòàíóòü ïîä âèíäû. Óðà. Ùàñ åù¸ ðþøå÷åê
GS>> ïîíàâåøèâàþò... Âîçüìè ëþáîé äèñòðèáüþòèâ íèêñîâ - òàì â \dev\
GS>> åñòü ôàéë nul. Ýòî è åñòü ïàêåð.
AK> Áîëüøîé ôàéë? À ïîðò ïîä ìàçäàé åñòü? url?
=) Àãà, î÷åíü , ðàçìåð ðàâåí íóëþ. /dev/null èñïîëüçóåòñÿ äëÿ òîãî ÷òîáû ïåðåíà
ïðàâèòü âûâîä â íèêóäà.
wbr, Nikko.
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