Ïðåäûäóùèé áëîê Ñëåäóþùèé áëîê Âåðíóòüñÿ â èíäåêñ
 RU.COMPRESS 
 From : Bulat Ziganshin                      2:5093/4.126   24 Oct 01 12:40:28
 To   : Sergey Tchirco                      
 Subj : Hà: È ñíîâà Huffman. È íè÷åãî ñìåøíîãî :-(                                   


* Originally in RU.COMPRESS
Ïðèÿòíîãî òåáå äíÿ è íåçàáûâàåìîé íî÷è, Sergey!

Wednesday October 24 2001, Sergey Tchirco writes to EinWill:
 >> > À âîîáùå ïîñìîòðè, ÷òî ðåêîìåíäóåò Áóëàò.
 >> À ÷òî îí ðåêîìåíäóåò? ß íåäàâíî ïîäïèñàí íà ýòó ýõîêîíôåðåíöèþ..
 ST> Òàê â÷åðà ïðîëåòàëî: bzip2 è readme ê pkzip

ar002/zip :)))  bzip2 íèêàêîãî îòíîøåíèÿ ê lzh íå èìååò!

Bulat, mailto:bulatzATfort.tatarstan.ru, ICQ 15872722

... Èíîãäà äëÿ òîãî, ÷òîáû èçìåíèòü ñâîå âîñïðèÿòèå ìèðà,
... ëþäè ïûòàþòñÿ èçìåíèòü ñàì ìèð
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 From : Vadim Yoockin                        2:5020/1042.50 24 Oct 01 13:08:33
 To   : EinWill                             
 Subj : Re: RANGECODER                                                               


From: "Vadim Yoockin" <vy@thermosyn.com>
Reply-To: "Vadim Yoockin" <vy@thermosyn.com>

Hello, EinWill!
You wrote to Bulat Ziganshin on Wed, 24 Oct 2001 06:01:06 +0000 (UTC):

 E> À ãäå îá ýòîì RangeCoder'å ìîæíî ïî÷èòàòü?

http://www.pilabs.org.ua/sh/
http://www.arturocampos.com

Âñåãî äîáðîãî,
Âàäèì.

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 RU.COMPRESS 
 From : EinWill                              2:5020/400     24 Oct 01 14:20:57
 To   : Sergey Tchirco                      
 Subj : Re: È ñíîâà Huffman. È íè÷åãî ñìåøíîãî :-(                                   


From: "EinWill" <andrey@neva-roentgen.com>
Reply-To: "EinWill" <andrey@neva-roentgen.com>

Ìû ê Âàì, ïðîôåññîð "Sergey Tchirco" <tchsv@nbrt.kazan.su>, è âîò ïî êàêîìó
äåëó:


> Äà, òâîé âàðèàíò äàåò òåîðèòè÷åñêè íåñêîëüêî ëó÷øóþ êàðòèíó, ÷åì
ñòàíäàðòíûé
> Huffman, íî íà ïðàêòèêå - óâû ;(  Âåðîÿòíîñòü òîãî, ÷òî ó íåñêîëüêèõ óçëîâ
> áóäóò ðàâíûå âåðîÿòíîñòè, íà ñêîëüêî íèáóäü áîëüøèõ  äàííûõ íè÷òîæíî ìàëà
:(
1) Îïòèìèçàöèÿ áóäåò åñëè ðàâíû íå òîëüêî ÷àñòîòû âõîæäåíèÿ, íî è òå
êîìáèíàöèè èõ ñóìì, êîòîðûå ìû ïîëó÷àåì ïðè ïîñòðîåíèè äåðåâà Huffman'à.
Ïîñëåäíåå, óæå íà ïîðÿäîê âåðîÿòíåå... Õîòÿ â ÷åì-òî òû ïðàâ %-(

2) Hó, ýòî ñìîòðÿ ÷òî çà äàííûå.  òåêñòîâûé ôàéëå èõ ïðåäîñòàòî÷íî %-)

3) Ïðèÿòíî áûòü óâåðåííûì, ÷òî ãëóáèíà ïîñòðîåííîãî äåðåâà -- ìèíèìàëüíà. È
åñëè óæ äëèíà êîäîâ âûëåçëà çà 32 áèòà, òî çíà÷èò ñóäüáà. Òóò óæå íå
ïîäåëàåøü, ÿ ñî ñâîåé ñòîðîíû ñäåëàë âñå ÷òî ìîã etc...

> > Ì-ì-ì. Òóò íå â ñêîðîñòè äåëî. ß æå íå êîäåð ïèøó. Ó ìåíÿ ýòè, ñæèìàåìûå
> > äàííûå ïðåäâàðèòåëüíî ñðàâíèòåëüíî äîëãî âû÷èñëÿþòñÿ... Äåëî
èñêëþ÷èòåëüíî
> > â ýñòåòè÷åñêîé êðàñîòå êîäà :-) Hó è ïëþñ çäîðîâûé íàó÷íûé èíåòåðåñ.

> À ýñòåòè÷åñêàÿ êðàñîòà äîñòèãàåòñÿ âûçîâîì îäíîé, ìàêñèìóì äâóõ ôóíêöèé èç
> ãîòîâîé(!) ïðîòåñòèðîâàííîé(!) è îïòèìèçèðîâàííîé(!) áèáëèîòåêè,
Òàêè îíî ðîâíî òàê è åñòü :-)
Òîëüêî ðåàëèçàöèÿ ýòèõ ãîòîâûõ (!) ïðîòåñòèðîâàííûõ (!) è ... ì-ì-ì... è
ïðîñòî áèáëèîòåêè -- ìåíÿ íå óñòðàâèâàåò :-)

> óæå íàïèñàííîé çà òåáÿ. Ïðîãðàììèñò äîëæåí áûòü ëåíèâûì!
Ïðîãðàììèñò äîëæåí áûòü óìíûì. À ëåíèâûé îí èëè íåò -- ýòî äåòàëè. Ó ìåíÿ
åñòü ðÿä ïðè÷èí, ïî êîòîðûì ðàçóìíåå ðåàëèçîâàòü àëãîðèòì ñàìîìó.

> åñëè âçÿòü òîòæå RangeCoder, ðåçóëüòàòü ñêîðåå âñåãî ïîëó÷øå áóäåò.
Ýòî òî, ïðîâåðêîé ÷åãî ÿ çàéìóñü â áëèæàéøåå âðåìÿ :)

Ñ óâàæåíèåì,
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 From : Maxim Smirnov                        2:5020/400     24 Oct 01 17:29:25
 To   : Bulat Ziganshin                     
 Subj : RANGECODER                                                                   


From: "Maxim Smirnov" <model@iac.spb.ru>

Hi Bulat,

Wed Oct 24 2001 12:36, Bulat Ziganshin wrote to Einwill:

 BZ> * Originally in RU.COMPRESS
 BZ> Ïðèÿòíîãî òåáå äíÿ è íåçàáûâàåìîé íî÷è, Einwill!

 BZ> Wednesday October 24 2001, EinWill writes to Bulat Ziganshin:

 E>> À ãäå îá ýòîì RangeCoder'å ìîæíî ïî÷èòàòü?

 BZ> íèãäå. íî ìîæíî âçÿòü åãî èñõîäíèêè :))

Hèêîãäà íå ãîâîðè "íèêîãäà" :-)

http://www.pilabs.org.ua/sh/downl_e.htm
http://www.compressconsult.com/rangecoder/
Hó, ïðèäåòñÿ åùå ïðèëîæèòü êîé-êàêóþ ñìåêàëêó, êîíå÷íî.

2Shelwien: ÷óåøü, êàêîé ïðîìîóøåí ÿ òåáå äåëàþ? ;-)

Maxim

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 From : Dmitry Shkarin                       2:5020/400     24 Oct 01 18:54:44
 To   : Andrew Gorbunow                     
 Subj : Re: PPMDH                                                                    


From: "Dmitry Shkarin" <dmitry.shkarin@mtu-net.ru>

                    Hi, Andrew!
> Äîïyñòèì ÿ ñæàë ôàéë file.txt PPMonstr-îì (ver.H):
> *ppmonstr e -o16 -m108 file.txt*
> Áyäåò ëè îí íîpìàëüíî èçâëå÷åí y þçåpà ñ 32Mb ÎÇÓ (ò.å. ìåíüøå ÷åì 108)???
    Àëãîðèòì ñèììåòðè÷åí - ïàìÿòè ïðè ðàñïàêîâêå òðåáóåòñÿ ñòîëüêî-æå êàê è
ïðè óïàêîâêå. Òàê ÷òààà... ïîñâîïèòñÿ ïàðó ÷àñîâ - è èçâëåêåòñÿ ;-).




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 RU.COMPRESS 
 From : Eugene D. Shelwien                   2:5020/400     25 Oct 01 03:43:52
 To   : Maxim Smirnov                       
 Subj : Re: RANGECODER                                                               


From: "Eugene D. Shelwien" <shelwien@thermosyn.com>
Reply-To: shelwien@thermosyn.com

Hi!

Maxim Smirnov wrote:
>  E>> À ãäå îá ýòîì RangeCoder'å ìîæíî ïî÷èòàòü?
> 
>  BZ> íèãäå. íî ìîæíî âçÿòü åãî èñõîäíèêè :))
> 
> Hèêîãäà íå ãîâîðè "íèêîãäà" :-)

Ýòî http://www.pilabs.org.ua/sh/ark2.zip èìåëîñü â âèäó,
î÷åâèäíî?
 
> http://www.pilabs.org.ua/sh/downl_e.htm
> http://www.compressconsult.com/rangecoder/
> Hó, ïðèäåòñÿ åùå ïðèëîæèòü êîé-êàêóþ ñìåêàëêó, êîíå÷íî.

"Ðîäíîé" øèíäëåðîâñêèé rangecoder íàðîäó íå íóæåí! ;)
Ó íåãî ïåðåíîñ â ñòàðøåì áèòå low õðàíèòñÿ, ïîýòîìó
â äåêîäåðå ïðèõîäèòñÿ âäâèãàòü â low äàííûå ñî ñäâèãîì
íà áèò. Òàê ÷òî åñëè óæ ñìîòðåòü, òàê íà shindler.inc
â http://www.pilabs.org.ua/sh/aridemo6.zip - òàì ïî÷òè
âñå, êàê â îðèãèíàëå, òîëüêî ïåðåíîñ â îòäåëüíîì ðåãèñòðå.

> 2Shelwien: ÷óåøü, êàêîé ïðîìîóøåí ÿ òåáå äåëàþ? ;-)

Ïîñëå òîãî, êàê Äèìà ìåíÿ â comp.compression ðåêëàìèðîâàë,
ýòî óæå íåïðèíöèïèàëüíî ;)
 
> Maxim

Õîòÿ, âïðî÷åì, ñîáðàëñÿ ÿ, íàêîíåö, ñ ñèëàìè, è âûëîæèë
íà ñàéò ïîñëåäíèå âåðñèè êîäåðîâ (òå, ÷òî ìûëîì ðàññûëàë)
http://www.pilabs.org.ua/sh/coders6a.zip
Hà íîâûé ðåëèç aridemo, óâû, ñîáðàííûõ ñèë íå õâàòèëî ;)
(Õîòÿ åñòü, ÷òî äîáàâèòü. Òó æå ìîäåëü Ìèêàýëÿ Ëóíäêâèñòà,
õîòÿ áû. http://www.geocities.com/mikaellq/range.tgz )

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Ñëîâàðü Äàëÿ     17,390,634
AriDemo Model:   o0c_v2a.inc
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

             CodeSize   C-Time   D-Time

CL-D       10,680,328    9.66    11.47
CL-R       10,680,668    5.55     7.08
CL-Rf      10,680,351    5.44     6.70
CL-Rfm     10,680,327    6.86     8.62
Subbotin   10,682,917    5.55     6.92
Subb-LB    10,682,917    5.55     6.97
Shindlet   10,680,348    5.77     6.48
Shcoder    10,680,642    6.97     8.34
Ari        10,680,318   12.47    14.06

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

CL-D       

   Dword-îðèåíòèðîâàííûé rangecoder,
FPU'øíàÿ ðåàëèçàöèÿ. Low, Range - 
64-õáèòíûå, MaxFreq = 2^31.
   Äàâíî íå carryless, ò.ê. ïåðâîíà÷àëüíûé
âàðèàíò ãëþ÷èë ;).

Subbotin

   Ñóááîòèíñêèé êîäåð, áåç ìîäèôèêàöèé.
MaxFreq = 2^16.

Subb-LB

   Âàðèàíò Ëåîíèäà Áðóõèñà. 

CL-R       

   Àëüòåðíàòèâíàÿ ðåàëèçàöèÿ ñóááîòèíñêîãî
âàðèàíòà carryless'íîñòè. Óïðîùåíû ïðîâåðêè
è ïîäíÿò MaxFreq, íî ðåíîðìàëèçàöèè ïðîèñõîäÿò
÷àùå. MaxFreq = 2^24.

CL-Rf

   Carryless ïî íîâîìó ìåòîäó, ìåíüøå òîðìîçÿùåìó
äåêîäèðîâàíèå. Ïðè îáíàðóæåíèè âîçìîæíîñòè
ïåðåíîñà range îáíóëÿåòñÿ - ÷òî íå òðåáóåò âû÷èñëåíèÿ
low â äåêîäåðå. MaxFreq = 2^24

CL-Rfm

   Âåðñèÿ ñ óìíîæåíèåì/äåëåíèåì ÷åðåç 64 áèòà.

Shindlet

   Îïòèìèçèðîâàííûé âàðèàíò øèíäëåðîâñêîãî
rangecoder'à. MaxFreq = 2^24

Shcoder

   Ïåðâûé âàðèàíò "øèíäëåðîâñêîãî" êîäåðà
èç aridemo ñ óìíîæåíèåì/äåëåíèåì ÷åðåç 64 áèòà.
MaxFreq = 2^24.

Ari

   Òðàäèöèîííûé àðèôìåòè÷åñêèé êîäåð, âåðñèÿ
Àíäðåÿ Ôèëèíñêîãî. Óìíîæåíèå/äåëåíèå 
÷åðåç 64 áèòà ;).
   MaxFreq = 2^31

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Ñ÷àñòëèâî!
 - Øåëâèí
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 From : Maxim Smirnov                        2:5020/400     25 Oct 01 09:46:31
 To   : Eugene D. Shelwien                  
 Subj : RANGECODER                                                                   


From: "Maxim Smirnov" <model@iac.spb.ru>

Hi Eugene,

 EDS> Ýòî http://www.pilabs.org.ua/sh/ark2.zip èìåëîñü â âèäó,
 EDS> î÷åâèäíî?

î÷åâèäíî

 EDS> "Ðîäíîé" øèíäëåðîâñêèé rangecoder íàðîäó íå íóæåí! ;)
 EDS> Ó íåãî ïåðåíîñ â ñòàðøåì áèòå low õðàíèòñÿ, ïîýòîìó
 EDS> â äåêîäåðå ïðèõîäèòñÿ âäâèãàòü â low äàííûå ñî ñäâèãîì
 EDS> íà áèò. 

íó è ÷òî? ñîâåòñêîìó ÷åëîâåêó íå ïðèâûêàòü...

 EDS> Õîòÿ, âïðî÷åì, ñîáðàëñÿ ÿ, íàêîíåö, ñ ñèëàìè, è âûëîæèë
 EDS> íà ñàéò ïîñëåäíèå âåðñèè êîäåðîâ (òå, ÷òî ìûëîì ðàññûëàë)
 EDS> http://www.pilabs.org.ua/sh/coders6a.zip

îíî òóò è áóäåò ëåæàòü?

 EDS> Hà íîâûé ðåëèç aridemo, óâû, ñîáðàííûõ ñèë íå õâàòèëî ;)
 EDS> (Õîòÿ åñòü, ÷òî äîáàâèòü. Òó æå ìîäåëü Ìèêàýëÿ Ëóíäêâèñòà,
 EDS> õîòÿ áû. http://www.geocities.com/mikaellq/range.tgz )

óãó. Õîòÿ ÿ åùå íå ñìîòðåë.

[skip]
 EDS> Shcoder
 EDS>    Ïåðâûé âàðèàíò "øèíäëåðîâñêîãî" êîäåðà
 EDS> èç aridemo ñ óìíîæåíèåì/äåëåíèåì ÷åðåç 64 áèòà.
 EDS> MaxFreq = 2^24.
 EDS> Ari
 EDS>    Òðàäèöèîííûé àðèôìåòè÷åñêèé êîäåð, âåðñèÿ
 EDS> Àíäðåÿ Ôèëèíñêîãî. Óìíîæåíèå/äåëåíèå 
 EDS> ÷åðåç 64 áèòà ;).
 EDS>    MaxFreq = 2^31

Çàìå÷ó, êñòàòè, ÷òî äëÿ íóæä Calgary Challenge áûë â êîíå÷íîì
èòîãå èñïîëüçîâàí êîäåð, âûäðàííûé èç CM Áóëàòà Çèãàíøèíà.
Ïî èíòåãðàëüíîé ýôôåêòèâíîñòè -- ðàçìåð ñæàòûõ ôàéëîâ + ðàçìåð
äåêîäåðà -- îí îáîøåë ëó÷øèé èç òâîèõ òî ëè 10, òî ëè íà 13 
áàéòîâ %-)

Maxim

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 RU.COMPRESS 
 From : Bulat Ziganshin                      2:5093/4.126   25 Oct 01 10:50:08
 To   : Maxim Smirnov                       
 Subj : RANGECODER                                                                   


* Originally in RU.COMPRESS
Ïðèÿòíîãî òåáå äíÿ è íåçàáûâàåìîé íî÷è, Maxim!

Thursday October 25 2001, Maxim Smirnov writes to Eugene D. Shelwien:
 MS> èòîãå èñïîëüçîâàí êîäåð, âûäðàííûé èç CM Áóëàòà Çèãàíøèíà.
 MS> Ïî èíòåãðàëüíîé ýôôåêòèâíîñòè -- ðàçìåð ñæàòûõ ôàéëîâ + ðàçìåð
 MS> äåêîäåðà -- îí îáîøåë ëó÷øèé èç òâîèõ òî ëè 10, òî ëè íà 13
 MS> áàéòîâ %-)

à òàì íå áûëî íàïèñàíî îòêóäà îí? óæ ñàì ÿ òî÷íî òàêèå øòó÷êè äåëàòü íå óìåþ :)
))

Bulat, mailto:bulatzATfort.tatarstan.ru, ICQ 15872722

... Èíîãäà äëÿ òîãî, ÷òîáû èçìåíèòü ñâîå âîñïðèÿòèå ìèðà,
... ëþäè ïûòàþòñÿ èçìåíèòü ñàì ìèð
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 RU.COMPRESS 
 From : Maxim Smirnov                        2:5020/400     25 Oct 01 12:11:20
 To   : Bulat Ziganshin                     
 Subj : RANGECODER                                                                   


From: "Maxim Smirnov" <model@iac.spb.ru>

Thu Oct 25 2001 10:50, Bulat Ziganshin wrote to Maxim Smirnov:
 MS>> èòîãå èñïîëüçîâàí êîäåð, âûäðàííûé èç CM Áóëàòà Çèãàíøèíà.
 MS>> Ïî èíòåãðàëüíîé ýôôåêòèâíîñòè -- ðàçìåð ñæàòûõ ôàéëîâ + ðàçìåð
 MS>> äåêîäåðà -- îí îáîøåë ëó÷øèé èç òâîèõ òî ëè 10, òî ëè íà 13
 MS>> áàéòîâ %-)

 BZ> à òàì íå áûëî íàïèñàíî îòêóäà îí? óæ ñàì ÿ òî÷íî òàêèå øòó÷êè äåëàòü íå
 BZ> óìåþ :)))

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Äëÿ ìîåé ìîäåëè îí äàæå äàåò ÷óòü ëó÷øåå ñæàòèå (áàéò ýäàê íà 5 %-) ),
÷åì ñòàíäàðòíûé àðèôìåòèê, óêðàäåííûé èç HA, óêðàäåííûé èç...

Maxim

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 From : Sasha Breger                         2:5066/70.64   25 Oct 01 15:06:58
 To   : Bulat Ziganshin                     
 Subj : Ñæàòèå ñòðîê (äî 250 ñèìâîëîâ)                                               


Ïðèâåò, Bulat.

Âòîðíèê Îêòÿáðü 23 2001 14:47, Bulat Ziganshin ïèñàë Sasha Breger:

 SB>> ×åì/êàê ëó÷øå âñåãî ñæèìàòü íå î÷åíü áîëüøèå ñòðîêè? ×åì ìîæíî
 SB>> ïîëó÷èòü ìàêñèìàëüíîå ñæàòèå (ñ ó÷¸òîì çàãîëîâêîâ)?
 BZ> îïèøè öåëèêîì ñèñòåìó.

Åñòü ñòðîêè îò 20 äî ïðèìåðíî 300 ñèìâîëîâ. Ñåé÷àñ â ascii, íî ïîòîì ìîæåò áûòü
 è utf-16. Hàäî ìàñêèìàëüíî ñæàòü ýòè ñòðîêè.

 BZ> ïîêà îòâåò îòðèöàòåëüíûé, âåäü ïðîãðàììà òîæå ìåñòî çàíèìàåò ;)

? Êàêàÿ ïðîãðàììà?

 Sasha, <no@e-mail.smth>
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 RU.COMPRESS 
 From : Bulat Ziganshin                      2:5093/4.126   25 Oct 01 20:26:47
 To   : Sasha Breger                        
 Subj : Ñæàòèå ñòðîê (äî 250 ñèìâîëîâ)                                               


* Originally in RU.COMPRESS
Ïðèÿòíîãî òåáå äíÿ è íåçàáûâàåìîé íî÷è, Sasha!

Thursday October 25 2001, Sasha Breger writes to Bulat Ziganshin:
 SB> Åñòü ñòðîêè îò 20 äî ïðèìåðíî 300 ñèìâîëîâ. Ñåé÷àñ â ascii, íî ïîòîì
 SB> ìîæåò áûòü è utf-16. Hàäî ìàñêèìàëüíî ñæàòü ýòè ñòðîêè.

äàé øòóê 50 òàêèõ ñòðîê. à ëó÷øå ñêàæè - ÷òî ýòî? ñîîáùåíèÿ ââ ïîðãðàììå? ðóññê
èå/...?

Bulat, mailto:bulatzATfort.tatarstan.ru, ICQ 15872722

... Èíîãäà äëÿ òîãî, ÷òîáû èçìåíèòü ñâîå âîñïðèÿòèå ìèðà,
... ëþäè ïûòàþòñÿ èçìåíèòü ñàì ìèð
--- GoldED+/W32 1.1.2
 * Origin: Ñåòåâîé ôèëüòð íà 5 áàçàðîâ (2:5093/4.126)


 RU.COMPRESS 
 From : Serg Tikhomirov                      2:5020/122.166 25 Oct 01 23:52:05
 To   : Lev Serebryakov                     
 Subj : Huffman                                                                      


Çäpàâñòâyé, Lev!

03:18 of 19 Oct Lev Serebryakov wrote in a message to Serg Tikhomirov:

 LS> [Answer on] [Serg Tikhomirov wrote to Lev Serebryakov at [05 Oct 01
 LS> 13:55]]: 

 ST>    È ïîä ýòî åñòü - íî ïîñêîëüêó ñàì ÿ ñ íèì íå pàáîòàþ, òî è íå çíàþ,
 ST> ïîä êàêèå ïëàòôîpìû îí íàïèñàí (êñòàòè, ýòî íàâåpíÿêà îïèñàíî â äîêå â
 ST> àpõèâå RAR29LNX.TGZ, æèâóùåì íà ftp://ftp.elf.stuba.sk/pub/pc/pack).
 ST> Òàì æå æèâóò êàê ìèíèìóì UNRAR-û äëÿ ATARI, Solaris 7, AIX,... è
 ST> èñõîäíèêè îíîãî.
 LS>   _UN_rar.

   Òàê òåáå íóæåí _çà_ïàêîâùèê? Ýòî, âèäèìî, ê àâòîpó. Hå çíàþ, ñòàíåò ëè îí äå
ëèòüñÿ èñõîäíèêàìè, íî, ìîæåò, ñîãëàñèòñÿ âûïóñòèòü RAR ïîä íåäîñòàþùèå ïëàòôîp
ìû. Òåì áîëåå ÷òî òû, íàâåpíîå, íå åäèíñòâåííûé, êòî èì èíòåpåñóåòñÿ.

 LS>> P.S. InfoZIP êàê àëüòåpíàòèâó ÿ áû åùå ïîíÿë...
 ST>    ZIP â ïpèíöèïå íå ìîæåò áûòü àëüòåpíàòèâîé RAR-ó, êàê Ëåêñèêîí
 ST> 6.51 íå ìîæåò áûòü àëüòåpíàòèâîé PAGEMAKER-ó ;-). Ñëèøêîì âåëèêà
 ST> pàçíèöà â êëàññå ïpîäóêòîâ.
 LS>    Âîò òîëüêî zip ëåãàëåí è ïåpåíîñèì, à rar íåò...

   Âîò òîëüêî êà÷åñòâî ñæàòèÿ è ñåpâèñà ó ZIP-à ñóùåñòâåííî íèæå... 

 ST> Îäíàêî, äàáû íå óéòè â îôôòîïèê, ïîñìîòpèì ëèøü íà påçóëüòàòû
 ST> _ñæàòèÿ_ òåñòîâûõ ïpèìåpîâ:

 ST> TAR 3.21g -cve9f               20.73   5.39  1,576,960
 LS>   ÷òî âîò ýòî òàêîå, è ãäå bzip2?!
 LS>   Âîò póññêèé òåêñò:

 LS> ORIGINAL:       dird.txt      737463, 00.00 sec
 LS> rar32 -mdE -m5: dird.rar      284399, 20.01 sec
 LS> bzip2 -9        dird.txt.bz2  243874,  3.3  sec

   Öèôpà â 20 ñåêóíä íà ñæàòèå 700 êá òåêñòà êàæåòñÿ íåñêîëüêî çàâûøåííîé...

 LS>    ÀÃÀ?! È bzip2 åñòü _ïîäî_âñå_ ïëàòôîpìû, áåñïëàòåí è ëåãàëåí. 

   Hå çíàþ, ãäå òû âèäåë åãî _ïîäî_âñå_ ïëàòôîpìû, íà ñòóáå ëåæàò âàpèàíòû ïîä 
ÄÎÑ, âèíäû è ïîëóîñü. Hè Ìàêà, íè Àòàpè, íè Àèêñà... Õîòü ïèøè ñàì (êàê è â ñëó
÷àå ñ RAR-îì ;). Êpîìå òîãî, bzip2 - òîëüêî _êîìïpåññîp_. Îáñëóæèâàíèå àpõèâîâ 
ó íåãî îòñóòñòâóåò êàê êëàññ.

 ST>    Ïîìèìî ñîáñòâåííî ñòåïåíè ñæàòèÿ, ãäå âûèãpûø ñîñòàâëÿåò (íà
 ST> ïpåäñòàâëåííûõ ïpèìåpàõ) ~10 - 30%, åñòü è äpóãèå àñïåêòû, èìåþùèå
 ST> ìàëî îòíîøåíèÿ ê òåìàòèêå êîíôåpåíöèè. Hàïpèìåp, çàùèòà àpõèâîâ îò
 ST> ïîâpåæäåíèé, êîþ îñóùåñòâëÿåò RAR, è íå îñóùåñòâëÿåò ZIP. Âîïpîñû

 ST> ;). À Gzip âîîáùå íå óìååò pàçáèâàòü àpõèâû íà òîìà...
 LS>   À ýòî -- òpåòüÿ ïpîãpàììà, split íàçûâàåòñÿ. Çà÷åì _êîìïpåññîpó_
 LS> óìåòü pàçáèâàòü ÷òî-òî íà òîìà?! Ýòî äîëæåí óìåòü pàçáèâàòåëü íà
 LS> òîìà!   Êîãäà ó òåáÿ åñòü ìíîãî ìàëåíüêèõ ïpîãpàìì, êàæäàÿ èç
 LS> êîòîpûõ óìååò ÷òî-òî îäíî, òû ìîæåøü ïîñòpîèòü ËÞÁÓÞ êîíñòpóêöèþ. À
 LS> âîò êîãäà ó òåáÿ åñòü îäíà ïpîãpàììà, êîòîpàÿ ïûòàåòñÿ óìåòü âñå...
 LS> ÓÂÛ, ÷àñòî ýòîãî ``ÂÑÅÃÎ'' íå õâàòàåò. 

   ß óæå îïèñûâàë _ñâîé_ ïóòü ê ïîíèìàíèþ ýòîé ïpîáëåìû. _Ìíå_ íåóäîáíî äëÿ ìíî
ãîêpàòíîãî âûïîëíåíèÿ îäíèõ è òåõ æå äåéñòâèé ïî îáñëóæèâàíèþ àpõèâà ïîëüçîâàòü
ñÿ äâóìÿ, òpåìÿ à òî è ÷åòûpüìÿ ïpîãpàììàìè (Join êàêîé-íèáóäü â ïàpó ê Split-ó
). Áîëåå òîãî, ÿ è ñàì ïèñàë âñå ýòè ïpîãpàììêè-êóáèêè, èç êîòîpûõ ìîæíî ñòpîèò
ü _ëþáóþ_ (?) êîíñòpóêöèþ. Êîãäà ÷èñëî ýòèõ ïpîãpàììîê äîñòèãëî íåêîåãî ëîêàëüí
îãî ìàêñèìóìà, ÿ íà÷àë çàáûâàòü, äåëàë ÿ òàêóþ ïpîãpàììêó èëè íåò è êàê îíà íàç
ûâàåòñÿ. Ïîñêîëüêó ïèñàëîñü âñ¸ ýòî äëÿ ñåáÿ, òî íå áûëî è íóæäû â äîêàõ "äëÿ ÷
àéíèêîâ", áûë òîëüêî âñòpîåííûé õåëï...
   Êîpî÷å ãîâîpÿ, ÿ ïpèø¸ë ê âûâîäó, ÷òî äëÿ âåñüìà îáøèpíîãî è ÷àñòî ïîâòîpÿåì
îãî íàáîpà äåéñòâèé íàä pàçíîîápàçíûìè àpõèâàìè óäîáíåå ïîëüçîâàòüñÿ  óíèâåpñàë
üíûì àpõèâàòîpîì, ÷åì öåëîé êîëëåêöèåé îòäåëüíûõ ïpîãpàìì. Òîò æå RAR äà¸ò â ýò
îì ïëàíå êó÷ó âîçìîæíîñòåé.
   Êñòàòè, ìíå êàæåòñÿ, ìû âñ¸ áîëüøå óêëîíÿåìñÿ îò ýõîòàãà. Ïpåäëàãàþ pàçâ¸píó
òûå äèñêóññèè (åñëè áóäåò æåëàíèå) ïpîâîäèòü â ìûëå.


Âñåãî íàèëó÷øåãî!
                  Jee

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 RU.COMPRESS 
 From : Alexey Danov                         2:5020/400     26 Oct 01 09:15:54
 To   : All                                 
 Subj : Òðåáóåòñÿ ñæàòü ìàññèâ ñòðîê                                                 


From: "Alexey Danov" <arit@arh.ru>

I. Êîíêòðåòíî -  ñïèñîê ôàìèëèé (èìåí / îò÷åñòâ).

Î÷åâèäíî, ÷òî:
1. Áóêâ 32 (áåç éî)
2. Ôàìèëèè íà Ü, Û è Ú íå íà÷èíàþòñÿ
3. Ôàìèëèè î÷åíü ÷àñòî çàêàí÷èâàþòñÿ
   íà ~îâ-à, ~(â|ò|ì)ñê(èé|àÿ), ~þê è ò.ä.
4. Âñòðå÷àþòñÿ îäèíàêîâûå êîðíè
...

II. Òðåáóåòñÿ óæàòü ñïèñîê òðîéêè-èíäåêñîâ ÔÈÎ

Î÷åâèäíî, ÷òî:
5. Êîë-âî ðàñïðîñòðàíåíûõ èìåí/îò÷åñòâ îãðàíè÷åíî,
   íî ðåäêîèñïîëüçóåìûõ (íå íàøèõ) ìíîãî.

Îãðàíè÷åíèå/ïîæåëàíèå:

Õîòåëîñü áû íå ðàçâîðà÷èâàòü ñïèñêè â ïàìÿòè, à ïîëó÷àòü
èõ çíà÷åíèå âû÷èñëåíèåì èç èíäåêñà (íîìåðà îò íà÷àëà, íàïð).
Ò.å. ïðîö øóñòðûé, à ïàìÿòè ìàëî...


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 RU.COMPRESS 
 From : Eugene D. Shelwien                   2:5020/400     26 Oct 01 16:13:00
 To   : Alexey Danov                        
 Subj : Re: Òðåáóåòñÿ ñæàòü ìàññèâ ñòðîê                                             


From: "Eugene D. Shelwien" <shelwien@thermosyn.com>
Reply-To: shelwien@thermosyn.com

Hi!

Alexey Danov wrote:
> I. Êîíêòðåòíî -  ñïèñîê ôàìèëèé (èìåí / îò÷åñòâ).
> 
> Î÷åâèäíî, ÷òî:
> 1. Áóêâ 32 (áåç éî)

Hå èìååò îñîáîãî çíà÷åíèÿ, ò.ê. ñæàòèå áåç
ýíòðîïèéíîãî êîäèðîâàíèÿ - ýòî íå ñæàòèå ;)

> 2. Ôàìèëèè íà Ü, Û è Ú íå íà÷èíàþòñÿ

Ýòî êàê ïîâåçåò ;). Â òåëåôîííîé áàçå, êîòîðóþ
ÿ ìó÷àë, áûëè, êàê ìèíèìóì, äâå ôàìèëèè íà "Û" -
"Ûðóêîâà Ð.Â." è "Ûàð÷åíêî Ã.Ï.". Î÷åâèäíî, îøèáêè
OCR - ïîñëåäíèé ïðè ïðîâåðêå ïî äðóãîé áàçå îêàçàëñÿ
"Ñòàð÷åíêî", à ïåðâàÿ - âîîáùå "Hóæäèíà" ;)
À òàêæå áûë íåêèé "Üèëåâñêèé Â.Â.".

> 3. Ôàìèëèè î÷åíü ÷àñòî çàêàí÷èâàþòñÿ
>    íà ~îâ-à, ~(â|ò|ì)ñê(èé|àÿ), ~þê è ò.ä.

Àãà. Òîëüêî óæàñíî ñòðàííûå âåùè â íèõ ïîïàäàþòñÿ.
Hàïðèìåð "èé" â ôàìèëèè "Ñóëàöêèé-Ñèó" - ýòî
îêîí÷àíèå? ;)

> 4. Âñòðå÷àþòñÿ îäèíàêîâûå êîðíè
> ...

Hó, ÷òî ÿ òåáå ìîãó ñêàçàòü. ß ýòî äåëàë òàê: ïîñòðîèë
êîíòåêñòíîå äåðåâî ïî ïîñëåäîâàòåëüíîñòè ôàìèëèé 
(ñ ðàçäåëèòåëÿìè), ïîòîì îòäåëüíûå ôàìèëèè çàêîäèðîâàë
ïðè ïîìîùè PPM áåç äîïîëíåíèÿ ñòàòèñòèêè.
Ôàìèëèé âñåãî ïîëó÷èëîñü 63834 øòóêè. À èç 
çàêîäèðîâàííûõ èõ âåðñèé ïîëó÷èëîñü î÷åíü õîðîøåå
áèíàðíîå äåðåâî ;)
 
> II. Òðåáóåòñÿ óæàòü ñïèñîê òðîéêè-èíäåêñîâ ÔÈÎ
> 
> Î÷åâèäíî, ÷òî:
> 5. Êîë-âî ðàñïðîñòðàíåíûõ èìåí/îò÷åñòâ îãðàíè÷åíî,
>    íî ðåäêîèñïîëüçóåìûõ (íå íàøèõ) ìíîãî.

Èìåííî ÔÈÎ, èëè ÈÎ? Âïðî÷åì, áåç ðàçíèöû. Âàðèàíîâ ÈÎ
ó ìåíÿ ïîëó÷èëîñü âñåãî 1694, ïðè÷åì ìèíèìóì ïîëîâèíà
èç íèõ - ãëþêè. Òèïà &.Þ.
Òàê ÷òî çàíèìàþò îíè î÷åíü ìàëî, êàê íè êîäèðóé ;)

Âîò òîëüêî âñòðåòèëñÿ òàì, íàïðèìåð, òàêîé 
"ÁËÞÌÁÅÐÃ Ã.È.-À.". Âðÿä ëè ýòî ãëþê, òàê ÷òî èíèöèàëîâ
äâà âîâñå íå âñåãäà ;)

Åùå èíòåðåñíî, êàêèå ÔÈÎ ó òîâàðèùà, èìåíóåìîãî
"Ýëü Àø Èìàä Çàøåì" %)
 
> Îãðàíè÷åíèå/ïîæåëàíèå:
> Õîòåëîñü áû íå ðàçâîðà÷èâàòü ñïèñêè â ïàìÿòè, à ïîëó÷àòü
> èõ çíà÷åíèå âû÷èñëåíèåì èç èíäåêñà (íîìåðà îò íà÷àëà, íàïð).
> Ò.å. ïðîö øóñòðûé, à ïàìÿòè ìàëî...

Hå âèæó ñ ýòèì íèêàêèõ ïðîáëåì. Âìåñòî ñïèñêîâ, ïðàâäà, ïðèäåòñÿ
äåðæàòü â ïàìÿòè ñòàòèñòèêó ïî íèì, äëÿ äåêîäèðîâàíèÿ.

Ñ÷àñòëèâî!
 - Øåëâèí

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 RU.COMPRESS 
 From : Sasha Breger                         2:5066/70.64   26 Oct 01 16:24:25
 To   : Bulat Ziganshin                     
 Subj : Ñæàòèå ñòðîê (äî 250 ñèìâîëîâ)                                               


Ïðèâåò, Bulat.

×åòâåðã Îêòÿáðü 25 2001 20:26, Bulat Ziganshin ïèñàë Sasha Breger:

 SB>> Åñòü ñòðîêè îò 20 äî ïðèìåðíî 300 ñèìâîëîâ. Ñåé÷àñ â ascii, íî
 SB>> ïîòîì ìîæåò áûòü è utf-16. Hàäî ìàñêèìàëüíî ñæàòü ýòè ñòðîêè.
 BZ> äàé øòóê 50 òàêèõ ñòðîê.

Håòó...

 BZ> à ëó÷øå ñêàæè - ÷òî ýòî?

Å-ìûëû âìåñòå ñ ÔÈÎ... Ìîæåò åù¸ ÷åãî-íèáóäü íàäî áóäåò (íàïðèìåð ôèäîøíûé àäðå
ñ)

 BZ> ðóññêèå/...?

Ðóññêèå/àíãëèéñêèå. Åìûëû òîæå.

huffman äëÿ ýòèõ öåëåé âîîáùå ìîæíî èñïîëüçîâàòü?

 Sasha, <no@e-mail.smth>
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 RU.COMPRESS 
 From : Vadim Yoockin                        2:5020/1042.50 26 Oct 01 18:18:19
 To   : Alexey Danov                        
 Subj : Re: Òðåáóåòñÿ ñæàòü ìàññèâ ñòðîê                                             


From: "Vadim Yoockin" <vy@thermosyn.com>
Reply-To: "Vadim Yoockin" <vy@thermosyn.com>

Hello, Alexey!
You wrote  on Fri, 26 Oct 2001 05:15:54 +0000 (UTC):

 AD> Î÷åâèäíî, ÷òî:
 AD> 1. Áóêâ 32 (áåç éî)
 AD> 2. Ôàìèëèè íà Ü, Û è Ú íå íà÷èíàþòñÿ

Ôàìèëèè îòñîðòèðîâàíû?
Åñëè íåò, òî ìîæíî ñæèìàòü ñ ïîòåðÿìè, ò.å., ðàñæèìàÿ,
ïîëó÷èòü îòñîðòèðîâàííûé?

 AD> 3. Ôàìèëèè î÷åíü ÷àñòî çàêàí÷èâàþòñÿ
 AD>    íà ~îâ-à, ~(â|ò|ì)ñê(èé|àÿ), ~þê è ò.ä.
 AD> 4. Âñòðå÷àþòñÿ îäèíàêîâûå êîðíè
 AD> ...

Ìîæíî ñîñòàâèòü ñëîâàðü ÷àñòûõ ñî÷åòàíèé è çàìåíèòü
ñî÷åòàíèÿ íà ê.-íèáóäü ñïåöñèìâîëû.

 AD> II. Òðåáóåòñÿ óæàòü ñïèñîê òðîéêè-èíäåêñîâ ÔÈÎ

 AD> Î÷åâèäíî, ÷òî:
 AD> 5. Êîë-âî ðàñïðîñòðàíåíûõ èìåí/îò÷åñòâ îãðàíè÷åíî,

 ñëîâàðü.

 AD> Îãðàíè÷åíèå/ïîæåëàíèå: Õîòåëîñü áû íå ðàçâîðà÷èâàòü
 AD> ñïèñêè â ïàìÿòè, à ïîëó÷àòü èõ çíà÷åíèå âû÷èñëåíèåì
 AD> èç èíäåêñà (íîìåðà îò íà÷àëà, íàïð).

Ñêîëüêî ïàìÿòè è êàêîâ ðàçìåð ñïèñêà?

Âñåãî äîáðîãî,
Âàäèì.


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 RU.COMPRESS 
 From : Alexey Danov                         2:5020/400     27 Oct 01 18:50:25
 To   : Vadim Yoockin                       
 Subj : Re: Òðåáóåòñÿ ñæàòü ìàññèâ ñòðîê                                             


From: "Alexey Danov" <arit@arh.ru>

"Vadim Yoockin" <vy@thermosyn.com>
> Ôàìèëèè îòñîðòèðîâàíû?

ïîäðàçìåâàåòñÿ, ÷òî ýòî ñëîâàðü,
ò.å. îòñîðòèðîâàííûé ñïèñîê ôàìèëèé

AD> 5. Êîë-âî ðàñïðîñòðàíåíûõ èìåí/îò÷åñòâ îãðàíè÷åíî,
> Â ñëîâàðü.

ýòî óæå ñëîâàðè..

> Ñêîëüêî ïàìÿòè è êàêîâ ðàçìåð ñïèñêà?

<= 2Ìáàéò äëÿ õðàíåíèÿ (flash)
  - ñëîâàðü Ôàìèëèé (<= 5e4)
  - ñëîâàðü Èìåí    (<= 5e3)
  - ñëîâàðü Îò÷åñòâ (<= 1e4) (â áîëüøèíñòâå ïðîèçâîäíûõ îò Èìåíè!)
  - ñïèñîê ññûëîê íà ñëîâàðè (<= 1e6) ( ÔÈÎ ýòî ñî÷åòàíèå òðåõ ññûëîê )

<= 8Máàéò äëÿ ðàáîòû, ò.å. ÎÏ
  â ïðîöåññå ðàáîòû îáìåí ñ flash íå ïîäðàçóìåâàåòñÿ,
  íî áëî÷íûé ðàçîâûé âîçìîæåí.
îñíîâíîé îáúåì ýòî ñïèñîê òðîåê (&Ôàìèëèÿ &Èìÿ &Îò÷åñòâî) <= 1e6 çàïèñåé



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 RU.COMPRESS 
 From : Vadim Yoockin                        2:5020/1042.50 28 Oct 01 20:03:57
 To   : Alexey Danov                        
 Subj : Re: Òðåáóåòñÿ ñæàòü ìàññèâ ñòðîê                                             


Ïpèâåòñòâóþ, Alexey!

27 Oct 01, Alexey Danov ïèñàë ê Vadim Yoockin:

 >> Ôàìèëèè îòñîðòèðîâàíû?

 AD> ïîäðàçìåâàåòñÿ, ÷òî ýòî ñëîâàðü,
 AD> ò.å. îòñîðòèðîâàííûé ñïèñîê ôàìèëèé

Êàæäîå ñëîâî ñïèñêà ìîæíî õðàíèòü, óðåçàÿ íà÷àëî è âìåñòî íåãî
çàïèñûâàÿ ÷èñëî ñèìâîëîâ, ñîâïàäàþùèõ ñ ïåðäûäóùèì ñëîâîì.
×òîáû âñå âðåìÿ íå ëàçèòü â íà÷àëî ñïèñêà, ìîæíî, êàê ñîâåòîâàë
Ìîôôàò, ïèñàòü îäíî èç 64 (íàïðèìåð) ñëîâ öåëèêîì.

 AD>> 5. Êîë-âî ðàñïðîñòðàíåíûõ èìåí/îò÷åñòâ îãðàíè÷åíî,
 >> Â ñëîâàðü.

 AD> ýòî óæå ñëîâàðè..

Òàê ìû ÷åãî ñæèìàåì, ôàìèëèè èëè ÔÈÎ? Èëè è òî, è äðóãîå?

 >> Ñêîëüêî ïàìÿòè è êàêîâ ðàçìåð ñïèñêà?

 AD> <= 2Ìáàéò äëÿ õðàíåíèÿ (flash)
 AD>   - ñëîâàðü Ôàìèëèé (<= 5e4)
 AD>   - ñëîâàðü Èìåí    (<= 5e3)
 AD>   - ñëîâàðü Îò÷åñòâ (<= 1e4) (â áîëüøèíñòâå ïðîèçâîäíûõ îò Èìåíè!)

Çíà÷èò, è òî, è äðóãîå...
Çàâåäè åùå ñëîâàðü - ñëîâàðü ÷àñòûõ ñî÷åòàíèé ñèìâîëîâ.

Åñëè èñïîëüçîâàòü ñëîâàðü ñî÷åòàíèé è êîäèðîâàòü íà÷àëà ñëîâ ñëîâàðÿ,
ìîæåò âëåçòü çàìåòíî áîëüøå, ÷åì áåç íèõ.

 AD>   - ñïèñîê ññûëîê íà ñëîâàðè (<= 1e6) ( ÔÈÎ ýòî ñî÷åòàíèå òðåõ ññûëîê
 AD> )

Ìåíüøå 2õ áàéòîâ íà êàæäîå ÔÈÎ? Håïðîñòî ýòî áóäåò...

 AD> <= 8Máàéò äëÿ ðàáîòû, ò.å. ÎÏ
 AD>   â ïðîöåññå ðàáîòû îáìåí ñ flash íå ïîäðàçóìåâàåòñÿ,
 AD>   íî áëî÷íûé ðàçîâûé âîçìîæåí.
 AD> îñíîâíîé îáúåì ýòî ñïèñîê òðîåê (&Ôàìèëèÿ &Èìÿ &Îò÷åñòâî) <= 1e6 çàïèñåé

Äëÿ ðàáîòû ïàìÿòè äîñòàòî÷íî, à âîò äëÿ õðàíåíèÿ...

  Âñåãî äîáðîãî. Vadim Yoockin

... A Smith and Wesson beats four aces.
--- Ñòàpûé Äåä ñòîèìîñòüþ 3.00.Alpha4 äîïëàòà â ÑÊÂ UNREG
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 RU.COMPRESS 
 From : Vadim Yoockin                        2:5020/1042.50 30 Oct 01 11:19:53
 To   : Lev Serebryakov                     
 Subj : Re: Huffman                                                                  


From: "Vadim Yoockin" <vy@thermosyn.com>
Reply-To: "Vadim Yoockin" <vy@thermosyn.com>

Serg Tikhomirov <Serg.Tikhomirov@p166.f122.n5020.z2.fidonet.org>
ñîîáùèë â íîâîñòÿõ ñëåäóþùåå:3180228192@p166.f122.n5020.z2.ftn...

>  LS> ORIGINAL:       dird.txt      737463, 00.00 sec
>  LS> rar32 -mdE -m5: dird.rar      284399, 20.01 sec
>  LS> bzip2 -9        dird.txt.bz2  243874,  3.3  sec
>
>    Öèôpà â 20 ñåêóíä íà ñæàòèå 700 êá òåêñòà êàæåòñÿ íåñêîëüêî
çàâûøåííîé...

Ñ -mde çàïðîñòî. Äåðåâÿííûé ïîèñê ñ òàêèì ñëîâàðåì çíà÷èòåëüíî
áûñòðåå õýøîâîãî.

>    Hå çíàþ, ãäå òû âèäåë åãî _ïîäî_âñå_ ïëàòôîpìû, íà ñòóáå ëåæàò âàpèàíòû
ïîä
> ÄÎÑ, âèíäû è ïîëóîñü. Hè Ìàêà, íè Àòàpè, íè Àèêñà... Õîòü ïèøè ñàì (êàê è
â
> ñëó÷àå ñ RAR-îì ;).

Ñåðãåé, â èíåòå ñåé÷àñ ïîëíî bzip2 ïîäî âñå, ÷òî òîëüêî ïîëçàåò.

>Êpîìå òîãî, bzip2 - òîëüêî _êîìïpåññîp_. Îáñëóæèâàíèå
> àpõèâîâ ó íåãî îòñóòñòâóåò êàê êëàññ.

Êñòàòè, Èãîðü Ïàâëîâ â 7-Zip âñòàâèë bzip2-ñêèé àëãîðèòì.
È îáîëî÷åê ñåé÷àñ ïîä bzip2 ïðîñòî ìîðå.

Âñåãî äîáðîãî,
Âàäèì.

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 RU.COMPRESS 
 From : Lev Serebryakov                      2:5030/661     30 Oct 01 12:19:32
 To   : Serg Tikhomirov                     
 Subj : Huffman                                                                      


 [Answering from] [FOR.SYSOP]

What do you think about sharp blades, Serg?

[Answer on] [Serg Tikhomirov wrote to Lev Serebryakov at [25 Oct 01 23:52]]:

 ST>> Îäíàêî, äàáû íå óéòè â îôôòîïèê, ïîñìîòpèì ëèøü íà påçóëüòàòû
 ST>> _ñæàòèÿ_ òåñòîâûõ ïpèìåpîâ:
 ST>> TAR 3.21g -cve9f               20.73   5.39  1,576,960
 LS>>   ÷òî âîò ýòî òàêîå, è ãäå bzip2?!
 LS>>   Âîò póññêèé òåêñò:
 LS>> ORIGINAL:       dird.txt      737463, 00.00 sec
 LS>> rar32 -mdE -m5: dird.rar      284399, 20.01 sec
 LS>> bzip2 -9        dird.txt.bz2  243874,  3.3  sec
 ST>    Öèôpà â 20 ñåêóíä íà ñæàòèå 700 êá òåêñòà êàæåòñÿ íåñêîëüêî
 ST> çàâûøåííîé...
   iP250. ß ïðèâûê ê òàêèì ñêîðîñòÿì... Äà, âîò bzip2 -9 ìåíÿ ïðèÿòíî óäèâèë --
 ÿ äóìàë áóäåò ñåêóíä 10.

 LS>>    ÀÃÀ?! È bzip2 åñòü _ïîäî_âñå_ ïëàòôîpìû, áåñïëàòåí è ëåãàëåí.
 ST>    Hå çíàþ, ãäå òû âèäåë åãî _ïîäî_âñå_ ïëàòôîpìû, íà ñòóáå ëåæàò
 ST> âàpèàíòû ïîä ÄÎÑ, âèíäû è ïîëóîñü. Hè Ìàêà, íè Àòàpè, íè Àèêñà...
 ST> Õîòü ïèøè ñàì (êàê è â ñëó÷àå ñ RAR-îì ;).
  Håò, âñåãî ëèøü êîìïèëèðóé. Âñå UNIX-like, åñòåñòâåííî, íèêòî íå ñîáèðàë -- è
õ îêîëî ñîòíè. Çàòî åñòü ./configure, êîòîðûé ïîçâîëÿåò ñîáðàòü âåçäå, ãäå åñòü
 gcc è sh, à ýòî òîò ñàìûé AIX, MacOS X, etc. À ñîáðàííûì åãî âûêëàäûâàþò ïîä ò
î, ãäå íåò êîìïèëÿòîðà â ïîñòàâêå.
  Ïîä MacOS 8 è MacOS 9 ÿ åãî âèäåë íà ìàêèíòîøåâñêèõ ñàéòàõ.

    Remember, pain is part of pleasure, Serg.
... À òû èãðàé, à òû èãðàé, èãðàé - Ìîæåò áûòü, óâèäèøü äîðîãó â ðàé...
--- I try to be as sharp as I can
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 RU.COMPRESS 
 From : Bulat Ziganshin                      2:5093/4.126   30 Oct 01 13:26:05
 To   : Vadim Yoockin" <vy@thermosyn.com> R 
 Subj : Huffman                                                                      


* Originally in RU.COMPRESS
Ïðèÿòíîãî òåáå äíÿ è íåçàáûâàåìîé íî÷è, Vadim!

Tuesday October 30 2001, Vadim Yoockin" <vy@thermosyn.com> Reply-To: "Vadim Yoo
ckin writes to Lev Serebryakov:
 Vv> Êñòàòè, Èãîðü Ïàâëîâ â 7-Zip âñòàâèë bzip2-ñêèé àëãîðèòì.

åñëè åñòü èñõîäíèêè 7zip, òî îäíîçíà÷íî íîâûé àðõèâàòîð íàäî äåëàòü íà åãî áàçå
. ìû ñ òîáîé îá ýòîì ãîâîðèëè, äàæå áåç èñõîäíèêîâ 7zip ïðåäñòàâëÿåò ñîáîé ñàìó
þ ïåðñïåêòèâíóþ íà äàííûé ìîìåíò ðàçðàáîòêó

Bulat, mailto:bulatzATfort.tatarstan.ru, ICQ 15872722

... Èíîãäà äëÿ òîãî, ÷òîáû èçìåíèòü ñâîå âîñïðèÿòèå ìèðà,
... ëþäè ïûòàþòñÿ èçìåíèòü ñàì ìèð
--- GoldED+/W32 1.1.2
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 RU.COMPRESS 
 From : Vadim Yoockin                        2:5020/1042.50 30 Oct 01 14:26:52
 To   : Bulat Ziganshin                     
 Subj : Re: Huffman                                                                  


From: "Vadim Yoockin" <vy@thermosyn.com>
Reply-To: "Vadim Yoockin" <vy@thermosyn.com>

Hello, Bulat!
You wrote to Vadim Yoockin" <vy@thermosyn.com> R on Tue, 30 Oct 2001
13:26:05 +0300:

 BZ> åñëè åñòü èñõîäíèêè 7zip, òî îäíîçíà÷íî íîâûé àðõèâàòîð íàäî äåëàòü íà
 BZ> åãî áàçå.

À ÷òî, êòî-òî ñîáèðàåòñÿ äåëàòü íîâûé àðõèâàòîð? ;-)

 BZ> ìû ñ òîáîé îá ýòîì ãîâîðèëè, äàæå áåç èñõîäíèêîâ 7zip
 BZ> ïðåäñòàâëÿåò ñîáîé ñàìóþ ïåðñïåêòèâíóþ íà äàííûé ìîìåíò ðàçðàáîòêó

Ýòî äà. Âîò òîëüêî åãî íîâûé êîìàíäíûé èíòåðôåéñ ìíå êàê-òî íåïðèâû÷åí.

Âñåãî äîáðîãî,
Âàäèì.


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 RU.COMPRESS 
 From : Vadim Yoockin                        2:5020/1042.50 30 Oct 01 14:26:53
 To   : All                                 
 Subj : Òåñòû êîìïðåññîðîâ                                                           


From: "Vadim Yoockin" <vy@thermosyn.com>
Reply-To: "Vadim Yoockin" <vy@thermosyn.com>

Hello, All!

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ïîìåñòèë íåäàâíî ïóáëèêîâàâøèåñÿ çäåñü òåñòû êîìïðåññîðîâ
VYCCT 6.1 íà http://ybs.freeservers.com
Êàê âñåãäà, îòëè÷èå îò òåêñòîâîé âåðñèè - íàëè÷èå èíòåðàêòèâíûõ
ãðàôèêîâ.

Âñåãî äîáðîãî,
Âàäèì.


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 RU.COMPRESS 
 From : Bulat Ziganshin                      2:5093/4.126   30 Oct 01 19:01:07
 To   : Vadim Yoockin                       
 Subj : Huffman                                                                      


* Originally in RU.COMPRESS
Ïðèÿòíîãî òåáå äíÿ è íåçàáûâàåìîé íî÷è, Vadim!

Tuesday October 30 2001, Vadim Yoockin writes to Bulat Ziganshin:
 BZ>> ìû ñ òîáîé îá ýòîì ãîâîðèëè, äàæå áåç èñõîäíèêîâ 7zip
 BZ>> ïðåäñòàâëÿåò ñîáîé ñàìóþ ïåðñïåêòèâíóþ íà äàííûé ìîìåíò
 BZ>> ðàçðàáîòêó

 VY> Ýòî äà. Âîò òîëüêî åãî íîâûé êîìàíäíûé èíòåðôåéñ ìíå êàê-òî
 VY> íåïðèâû÷åí.

èññëåäîâàòåëüñêèé. òàì ãëóáæå - íóæíà ïîëíàÿ àâòîìàòèçàöèÿ âûáîðà ðåæèìà ñæàòèÿ
 è èíòåëëåêò ñîîòâåòñòâóþùèé

Bulat, mailto:bulatzATfort.tatarstan.ru, ICQ 15872722

... Èíîãäà äëÿ òîãî, ÷òîáû èçìåíèòü ñâîå âîñïðèÿòèå ìèðà,
... ëþäè ïûòàþòñÿ èçìåíèòü ñàì ìèð
--- GoldED+/W32 1.1.2
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 RU.COMPRESS 
 From : Bulat Ziganshin                      2:5093/4.126   30 Oct 01 22:30:14
 To   : Sasha Breger                        
 Subj : Ñæàòèå ñòðîê (äî 250 ñèìâîëîâ)                                               


* Originally in RU.COMPRESS
Ïðèÿòíîãî òåáå äíÿ è íåçàáûâàåìîé íî÷è, Sasha!

Friday October 26 2001, Sasha Breger writes to Bulat Ziganshin:
 SB>>> Åñòü ñòðîêè îò 20 äî ïðèìåðíî 300 ñèìâîëîâ. Ñåé÷àñ â ascii, íî
 SB>>> ïîòîì ìîæåò áûòü è utf-16. Hàäî ìàñêèìàëüíî ñæàòü ýòè ñòðîêè.
 SB> Å-ìûëû âìåñòå ñ ÔÈÎ... Ìîæåò åù¸ ÷åãî-íèáóäü íàäî áóäåò (íàïðèìåð
 SB> ôèäîøíûé àäðåñ)

à ìíîãî â îäíîì íàáîðå äàííûõ (òèïè÷íîì) òàêèõ ñòðîê? ïî÷åìó òû íà íèõ ñìîòðèøü
 êàê íà íàáîð ñòðîê, à íå îäèí áîëüøîé òåêñò, ìåòîäû ïàêîâêè êîòîðûõ õîðîøî èçâ
åñòíû??

 SB> huffman äëÿ ýòèõ öåëåé âîîáùå ìîæíî èñïîëüçîâàòü?

äà. íàáðàòü ñòàòèñòèêó è çàôèêñèðîâàòü å¸. è ñëîâàðíóþ ïîäñòàíîâêó (ñêàæåì, ÷àñ
òî âòðå÷àåòñÿ "@mail.ru", çàìåíÿåì åãî íà êàêîé-íèáóäü íåèñïîëüçóåìûé ñèìâîë)

Bulat, mailto:bulatzATfort.tatarstan.ru, ICQ 15872722

... Èíîãäà äëÿ òîãî, ÷òîáû èçìåíèòü ñâîå âîñïðèÿòèå ìèðà,
... ëþäè ïûòàþòñÿ èçìåíèòü ñàì ìèð
--- GoldED+/W32 1.1.2
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 RU.COMPRESS 
 From : Evgeniy Lominin                      2:5025/3.115   30 Oct 01 23:56:06
 To   : All                                 
 Subj : LZ+HUF                                                                       


                       Ïðèâåòñòâóþ òåáÿ, All!

  Îáúÿñíèòå ðàáîòó ñàáæà, ñ óæå çàäàííûìè òàáëèöàìè êîäèðîâàíèÿ ñâûøå 6 áèò. (ò
àì òàê íàïèñàíî).
  Çàðàíåå áëàãîäàðåí.
                              Hà ýòîì âñå,
                                   Evgeniy
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 RU.COMPRESS 
 From : EinWill                              2:5020/400     31 Oct 01 12:54:58
 To   : All                                 
 Subj : Hóëüäåðåâî                                                                   


From: "EinWill" <andrey@neva-roentgen.com>
Reply-To: "EinWill" <andrey@neva-roentgen.com>

Ïðèâåòñòâóþ âñåõ!

  Åñòü çàäà÷à: êîìïàêòíî õðàíèòü ìàòðèöó NxN èç 0 è 1. Ïðè÷åì,
ïðåäïîëàãàåòñÿ, ÷òî íóëåé â ìàòðèöå ãîðàçäî áîëüøå, ÷åì 1. ß ðåàëèçîâûâàë
ýòî ïðîñòåíüêèì RLE. Hî íåäàâíî íàòêíóëñÿ íà óïîìèíàíèå ñîãëàñíî êîòîðîìó,
áîëåå ýôôåêòèâíûì áóäåò èñïîëüçîâàíèå "àëãîðèòìà íóëüäåðåâà".
  Êàê ñëåäñòâèå, âîïðîñû: ÷òî ýòî òàêîå, ñ ÷åì åãî åäÿò è êàê åãî ïðèìåíèòü
ê ñôîðìóëèðîâàííîé çàäà÷å?

--
.... C Óâàæåíèåì,  EinWill
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 RU.COMPRESS 
 From : Sasha Breger                         2:5066/70.64   31 Oct 01 15:14:22
 To   : Bulat Ziganshin                     
 Subj : Ñæàòèå ñòðîê (äî 250 ñèìâîëîâ)                                               


Ïðèâåò, Bulat.

Âòîðíèê Îêòÿáðü 30 2001 22:30, Bulat Ziganshin ïèñàë Sasha Breger:

 SB>>>> Åñòü ñòðîêè îò 20 äî ïðèìåðíî 300 ñèìâîëîâ. Ñåé÷àñ â ascii, íî
 SB>>>> ïîòîì ìîæåò áûòü è utf-16. Hàäî ìàñêèìàëüíî ñæàòü ýòè ñòðîêè.
 SB>> Å-ìûëû âìåñòå ñ ÔÈÎ... Ìîæåò åù¸ ÷åãî-íèáóäü íàäî áóäåò (íàïðèìåð
 SB>> ôèäîøíûé àäðåñ)
 BZ> à ìíîãî â îäíîì íàáîðå äàííûõ (òèïè÷íîì) òàêèõ ñòðîê?

Îäíà. Â ýòîì ãëàâíàÿ ïðîáëåìà.

 BZ> ïî÷åìó òû íà íèõ ñìîòðèøü êàê íà íàáîð ñòðîê, à íå îäèí áîëüøîé
 BZ> òåêñò, ìåòîäû ïàêîâêè êîòîðûõ õîðîøî èçâåñòíû??

 SB>> huffman äëÿ ýòèõ öåëåé âîîáùå ìîæíî èñïîëüçîâàòü?
 BZ> äà. íàáðàòü ñòàòèñòèêó è çàôèêñèðîâàòü å¸.

huffman íà ôèêñèðîâàííîì äåðåâå äàñò ëó÷øèå ðåçóëüòàòû, ÷åì çàïèñü äåðåâà âìåñò
å ñî ñæàòûìè äàííûìè?

 BZ> è ñëîâàðíóþ ïîäñòàíîâêó

Êàê îíî ïî-ýõîòàãîâñêè íàçûâàåòüñÿ? (àêà Êàê ñäåëàòü?)

 BZ> (ñêàæåì, ÷àñòî âòðå÷àåòñÿ "@mail.ru", çàìåíÿåì åãî íà êàêîé-íèáóäü
 BZ> íåèñïîëüçóåìûé ñèìâîë)

 Sasha, <no@e-mail.smth>
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 RU.COMPRESS 
 From : Bulat Ziganshin                      2:5093/4.126   31 Oct 01 19:39:55
 To   : Sasha Breger                        
 Subj : Ñæàòèå ñòðîê (äî 250 ñèìâîëîâ)                                               


* Originally in RU.COMPRESS
Ïðèÿòíîãî òåáå äíÿ è íåçàáûâàåìîé íî÷è, Sasha!

Wednesday October 31 2001, Sasha Breger writes to Bulat Ziganshin:
 SB>>>>> Åñòü ñòðîêè îò 20 äî ïðèìåðíî 300 ñèìâîëîâ. Ñåé÷àñ â ascii, íî
 SB>>>>> ïîòîì ìîæåò áûòü è utf-16. Hàäî ìàñêèìàëüíî ñæàòü ýòè ñòðîêè.
 SB>>> Å-ìûëû âìåñòå ñ ÔÈÎ... Ìîæåò åù¸ ÷åãî-íèáóäü íàäî áóäåò
 SB>>> (íàïðèìåð ôèäîøíûé àäðåñ)
 BZ>> à ìíîãî â îäíîì íàáîðå äàííûõ (òèïè÷íîì) òàêèõ ñòðîê?
 SB> Îäíà. Â ýòîì ãëàâíàÿ ïðîáëåìà.

òî åñòü òû íàì òðàçàåøü ìîçãè ðàäè ýêîíîìèè â 10-100 áàéò???

Bulat, mailto:bulatzATfort.tatarstan.ru, ICQ 15872722

... Èíîãäà äëÿ òîãî, ÷òîáû èçìåíèòü ñâîå âîñïðèÿòèå ìèðà,
... ëþäè ïûòàþòñÿ èçìåíèòü ñàì ìèð
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 RU.COMPRESS 
 From : Sasha Breger                         2:5066/70.64   01 Nov 01 17:16:21
 To   : Bulat Ziganshin                     
 Subj : Ñæàòèå ñòðîê (äî 250 ñèìâîëîâ)                                               


Ïðèâåò, Bulat.

Ñðåäà Îêòÿáðü 31 2001 19:39, Bulat Ziganshin ïèñàë Sasha Breger:

 SB>>>>>> Åñòü ñòðîêè îò 20 äî ïðèìåðíî 300 ñèìâîëîâ. Ñåé÷àñ â ascii,
 SB>>>>>> íî ïîòîì ìîæåò áûòü è utf-16. Hàäî ìàñêèìàëüíî ñæàòü ýòè
 SB>>>>>> ñòðîêè.
 BZ>>> à ìíîãî â îäíîì íàáîðå äàííûõ (òèïè÷íîì) òàêèõ ñòðîê?
 SB>> Îäíà. Â ýòîì ãëàâíàÿ ïðîáëåìà.
 BZ> òî åñòü òû íàì òðàçàåøü ìîçãè ðàäè ýêîíîìèè â 10-100 áàéò???

Ðàäè ýêîíîìèè â 80-800 áèò... ;) Äèàãíîç - ëó÷øå íå ñæèìàòü?

 Sasha, <no@e-mail.smth>
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 RU.COMPRESS 
 From : Bulat Ziganshin                      2:5093/4.126   01 Nov 01 20:06:40
 To   : Sasha Breger                        
 Subj : Ñæàòèå ñòðîê (äî 250 ñèìâîëîâ)                                               


* Originally in RU.COMPRESS
Ïðèÿòíîãî òåáå äíÿ è íåçàáûâàåìîé íî÷è, Sasha!

Thursday November 01 2001, Sasha Breger writes to Bulat Ziganshin:
 SB> Ðàäè ýêîíîìèè â 80-800 áèò... ;) Äèàãíîç - ëó÷øå íå ñæèìàòü?

ëó÷øå çàíÿòüñÿ ÷åì-íèáóäü áîëåå ïîëåçíûì

Bulat, mailto:bulatzATfort.tatarstan.ru, ICQ 15872722

... Èíîãäà äëÿ òîãî, ÷òîáû èçìåíèòü ñâîå âîñïðèÿòèå ìèðà,
... ëþäè ïûòàþòñÿ èçìåíèòü ñàì ìèð
--- GoldED+/W32 1.1.2
 * Origin: Ñåòåâîé ôèëüòð íà 5 áàçàðîâ (2:5093/4.126)


 RU.COMPRESS 
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 To   : All                                 
 Subj : News at ftp://ftp.elf.stuba.sk/pub/pc/pack/                                  


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 RU.COMPRESS 
 From : Andrew Filinsky                      2:452/4.11     02 Nov 01 21:39:35
 To   : All                                 
 Subj : Patricia tree                                                                


-++++++++¬ Ñ ãîðÿ÷èì ýëåêòðîííûì ïðèâåòîì!
LTTTTTTTT-

À íå ïîäñêàæåò ëè ìíîãîçíàþùàÿ îáùåñòâåííîñòü, ãäå ìîæíî ñêà÷àòü èíôîðìàöèþ îá 
îðãàíèçàöèè Patricia tree è àëãîðèòìàõ ðàáîòû ñ íèì? È â ÷àñòíîñòè, åãî ïðèìåíå
íèå äëÿ õðàíåíèÿ êîíòåêñòîâ íåîãðàíè÷åííîãî ïîðÿäêà.

Ñðåäè âñåõ âàðèàíòîâ, æåëàòåëüíî â ôîðìàòå Win Word íà ðóññêîì, âñå îñòàëüíûå â
àðèàíòû îäèíàêîâî ïðèâåòñòâóþòñÿ.

Hint: Â îáùåì-òî, ñ ýòèì äåðåâîì ìíå âñå ïîíÿòíî, è îíî ëåãêî ïðåäñòàâèìî â [ìî
åé] ãîëîâå, îäíàêî îõîòà ïî÷èòàòü êëàññèêîâ/íå ñîâñåì êëàññèêîâ, ÷òîáû íå èçîáð
åòàòü âåëîñèïåä. Ñïàñèáî! Æ)

Ñ ìîèõ ñëîâ çàïèñàíî âåðíî. Andrew Filinsky.

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 RU.COMPRESS 
 From : Alexandr Karimov                     2:5020/400     05 Nov 01 21:49:06
 To   : All                                 
 Subj : Ñæàòèå ñòðóêòóðèðîâàííûõ òåêñòîâûõ äàííûõ (XML)                              


From: "Alexandr Karimov" <karimov@delta.bn.by>


Ïðèâåò âñåì.

Ðàáîòàþ ñ XML ôàéëàìè áîëüøîãî ðàçìåðà. Õîòåëîñü áû äåðæàòü XML äåðåâî â
ïàìÿòè â ñæàòîì âèäå. Êàê ìíå ïðåäñòàâëÿåòüñÿ, ïî XML äåðåâó äîëæíî
ñòðîèòüñÿ èíäåêñíîå äåðåâî, ñ êîòîðûì è ðàáîòàåò ïðèëîæåíèå. Îñíîâíûå æå
äàííûå ñæèìàþòüñÿ è õðàíÿòüñÿ â ìàññèâå.  Êàêîé àëãîðèòì (ïîäõîä) ìîæåòå
ïîñîâåòîâàòü â äàííîì ñëó÷àå? Êàê âîîáùå ñæèìàþòüñÿ ñòðóêòóðèðîâàííûå äàííûå
(HTML, SGML, XML è ò.ä.)?

Ñ óâàæåíèåì Êàðèìîâ Àëåêñàíäð


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 RU.COMPRESS 
 From : Evgenij Masherov                     2:5020/175.2   06 Nov 01 11:08:50
 To   : All                                 
 Subj : Hå çàíèìàëñÿ ëè êòî-òî ñæàòèåì ÝÝÃ...                                        


From: "Evgenij Masherov" <EMasherow@nsi.ru>

...è âîîáùå íåéðîôèçèîëîãè÷åñêèõ äàííûõ?
Èíòåðåñóåò ïðåæäå âñåãî ñæàòèå áåç ïîòåðü.

Åâãåíèé Ìàøåðîâ ÀÊÀ ÑàíèòàðÆåíÿ

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 RU.COMPRESS 
 From : Dmitry Shkarin                       2:5020/400     06 Nov 01 18:06:22
 To   : Evgenij Masherov                    
 Subj : Re: Hå çàíèìàëñÿ ëè êòî-òî ñæàòèåì ÝÝÃ...                                    


From: "Dmitry Shkarin" <dmitry.shkarin@mtu-net.ru>

                    Hi, Åâãåíèé!
> ...è âîîáùå íåéðîôèçèîëîãè÷åñêèõ äàííûõ?
> Èíòåðåñóåò ïðåæäå âñåãî ñæàòèå áåç ïîòåðü.
    ×òî-òî ïîäîáíîå ïðîñêàêèâàëî ïîëãîäà-ãîä íàçàä, ïîèùè â àðõèâå.


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 RU.COMPRESS 
 From : Dmitry Shkarin                       2:5020/400     06 Nov 01 18:06:23
 To   : Alexandr Karimov                    
 Subj : Re: Ñæàòèå ñòðóêòóðèðîâàííûõ òåêñòîâûõ äàííûõ (XML)                          


From: "Dmitry Shkarin" <dmitry.shkarin@mtu-net.ru>

                    Hi, Àëåêñàíäð!
> Ðàáîòàþ ñ XML ôàéëàìè áîëüøîãî ðàçìåðà. Õîòåëîñü áû äåðæàòü XML äåðåâî â
> ïàìÿòè â ñæàòîì âèäå. Êàê ìíå ïðåäñòàâëÿåòüñÿ, ïî XML äåðåâó äîëæíî
> ñòðîèòüñÿ èíäåêñíîå äåðåâî, ñ êîòîðûì è ðàáîòàåò ïðèëîæåíèå. Îñíîâíûå æå
> äàííûå ñæèìàþòüñÿ è õðàíÿòüñÿ â ìàññèâå.  Êàêîé àëãîðèòì (ïîäõîä) ìîæåòå
> ïîñîâåòîâàòü â äàííîì ñëó÷àå? Êàê âîîáùå ñæèìàþòüñÿ ñòðóêòóðèðîâàííûå
äàííûå
> (HTML, SGML, XML è ò.ä.)?
    Îáû÷íî, âûäåëÿþò òýãè ñ ïîìîùüþ ïðåïðîöåññèíãà è ñòðîÿò äëÿ íèõ
îòäåëüíóþ ìîäåëü. Ïîèùè ïî êëþ÷åâûì ñëîâàì XMILL, XMLPPM. Ñûðöû ïîñëåäíåãî
åñòü ãäå-òî íà sourceforge.



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 RU.COMPRESS 
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 Subj : News at ftp://ftp.elf.stuba.sk/pub/pc/pack/                                  


  ftp://ftp.elf.stuba.sk/pub/pc/pack/7z230b7.exe
7-ZIP Archiver v2.30 beta 7 - Command line file archiver (732,432 bytes)
  ftp://ftp.elf.stuba.sk/pub/pc/pack/aplib034.zip
aPLIB v0.34 - Compression library (136,100 bytes)
  ftp://ftp.elf.stuba.sk/pub/pc/pack/sbc0904d.zip
SBC v0.904 beta for DOS - Secure archiver with built-in encryption options (196
,739 bytes)
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54,760 bytes)
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Info-ZIP's portable UnZip v5.50g beta - Source code (1,203,051 bytes)
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UnSBC v0.904 beta for DOS - SBC Unpacker (127,909 bytes)
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 RU.COMPRESS 
 From : Evgenij Masherov                     2:5020/175.2   09 Nov 01 15:53:30
 To   : Dmitry Shkarin                      
 Subj : Re: Hå çàíèìàëñÿ ëè êòî-òî ñæàòèåì ÝÝÃ...                                    


From: "Evgenij Masherov" <EMasherow@nsi.ru>

Tue Nov 06 2001 18:06, Dmitry Shkarin wrote to Evgenij Masherov:

 >> ...è âîîáùå íåéðîôèçèîëîãè÷åñêèõ äàííûõ?
 >> Èíòåðåñóåò ïðåæäå âñåãî ñæàòèå áåç ïîòåðü.

×åðåç È-íåò ñìîòðþ, êàê äî àðõèâà äîáðàòüñÿ?
Èëè êòî-ëèáî ïîìîæåò íàéòè?

Ñ áëàãîäàðíîñòüþ

Åâãåíèé Ìàøåðîâ ÀÊÀ ÑàíèòàðÆåíÿ

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 RU.COMPRESS 
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 Subj : News at ftp://ftp.elf.stuba.sk/pub/pc/pack/                                  


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RAR v2.90 for Windows (32-bit) - Polish Edition (751,211 bytes)
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 RU.COMPRESS 
 From : Andrew Filinsky                      2:452/4.11     10 Nov 01 19:12:12
 To   : EinWill                             
 Subj : Hóëüäåðåâî                                                                   


-++++++++¬ Ñ ãîðÿ÷èì ýëåêòðîííûì ïðèâåòîì!
LTTTTTTTT- Öèòèðóþ ïèñüìî: EinWill -> All, 31 Îêò 2001

 E>   Åñòü çàäà÷à: êîìïàêòíî õðàíèòü ìàòðèöó NxN èç 0 è 1. Ïðè÷åì,
 E> ïðåäïîëàãàåòñÿ, ÷òî íóëåé â ìàòðèöå ãîðàçäî áîëüøå, ÷åì 1. ß
 E> ðåàëèçîâûâàë ýòî ïðîñòåíüêèì RLE. Hî íåäàâíî íàòêíóëñÿ íà óïîìèíàíèå
 E> ñîãëàñíî êîòîðîìó, áîëåå ýôôåêòèâíûì áóäåò èñïîëüçîâàíèå "àëãîðèòìà
 E> íóëüäåðåâà". Êàê ñëåäñòâèå, âîïðîñû: ÷òî ýòî òàêîå, ñ ÷åì åãî åäÿò è
 E> êàê åãî ïðèìåíèòü ê ñôîðìóëèðîâàííîé çàäà÷å?

Ñîððè, ïðî íóëü-äåðåâî ÿ íå çíàþ, îäíàêî õî÷ó îáðàòèòü âíèìàíèå, ÷òî äëÿ ðåøåíè
ÿ óêàçàííîé çàäà÷è õîðîøèé ðåçóëüòàò ìîæåò îáåñïå÷èòü ïðèìåíåíèå Àðèôìåòè÷åñêîã
î Êîäåðà, èëè åãî æå Range Coder'à - íà âûáîð.

Håôîðìàëüíàÿ êðàòêàÿ ñïðàâêà:

Àðèôìåòè÷åñêèé êîäåð è range coder, àíàëîãè÷íî îïòèìàëüíûì êîäàì Õàôìàíà, ïîçâî
ëÿþò êîìïàêòíî çàïèñàòü ïîñëåäîâàòåëüíîñòü ñèìâîëîâ íåêîòîðîãî àëôàâèòà, èìåþùè
õ ðàçëè÷íóþ âåðîÿòíîñòü, îäíàêî, â îòëè÷èå îò êîäîâ Õàôìàíà, óñïåøíî ñïðàâëÿþòñ
ÿ è ñ äâîè÷íûìè àëôâèòàìè.

Ïîäðîáíåå ðàññêàæóò îáèòàþùèå çäåñü ñïåöû ïî Range Coder :)

Ñ ìîèõ ñëîâ çàïèñàíî âåðíî. Andrew Filinsky.

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 RU.COMPRESS 
 From : Yuri Bildin                          2:5055/80.10   11 Nov 01 23:46:09
 To   : All                                 
 Subj : Ha                                                                           


Hello All!

ß, ïðàâèë ýõè íå íàøåë, íî äóìàþ îáðàùàþñü ïî àäðåñó...

Êòî íèáóäü, ïîìîæåò ìíå?

Hóæíî îïèñàíèå ôîðìàòà ha-àðõèâà. Êîíêðåòíî íóæíî èç àðõèâà âûóäèòü ñîäåðæàíèå
ôàéëà-îïèñàíèå *.diz. Âðÿäëè, ÿ äóìàþ åñòü ha SDK...


With Best Wishes, Yuri.

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 RU.COMPRESS 
 From : Dmitry Belash                        2:5030/479.28  12 Nov 01 01:55:46
 To   : EinWill                             
 Subj : Hóëüäåðåâî                                                                   


Hi EinWill!

 E>> Åñòü çàäà÷à: êîìïàêòíî õðàíèòü ìàòðèöó NxN èç 0 è 1. Ïðè÷åì,
 E>> ïðåäïîëàãàåòñÿ, ÷òî íóëåé â ìàòðèöå ãîðàçäî áîëüøå, ÷åì 1. ß
 E>> ðåàëèçîâûâàë ýòî ïðîñòåíüêèì RLE. Hî íåäàâíî íàòêíóëñÿ íà
 AF> äëÿ ðåøåíèÿ óêàçàííîé çàäà÷è õîðîøèé ðåçóëüòàò ìîæåò îáåñïå÷èòü
 AF> ïðèìåíåíèå Àðèôìåòè÷åñêîãî Êîäåðà, èëè åãî æå Range Coder'à - íà
 AF> âûáîð.
À ìîæíî åùå ïîïðîáîâàòü RLE+rangecoder

                       Dmitry.

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 RU.COMPRESS 
 From : Bulat Ziganshin                      2:5093/4.126   12 Nov 01 09:57:10
 To   : Yuri Bildin                         
 Subj : Ha                                                                           


* Originally in RU.COMPRESS
Ïðèÿòíîãî òåáå äíÿ è íåçàáûâàåìîé íî÷è, Yuri!

Sunday November 11 2001, Yuri Bildin writes to All:
 YB> Hóæíî îïèñàíèå ôîðìàòà ha-àðõèâà. Êîíêðåòíî íóæíî èç àðõèâà âûóäèòü
 YB> ñîäåðæàíèå ôàéëà-îïèñàíèå *.diz. Âðÿäëè, ÿ äóìàþ åñòü ha SDK...

ftp://ftp.elf.stuba.sk/pub/pc/pack/ha0999.zip  HA v0.999 beta - Packer by Harri
 Hirvola

òàì äîëæíû áûòü ñîðöû

Bulat, mailto:bulatzATfort.tatarstan.ru, ICQ 15872722

... Èíîãäà äëÿ òîãî, ÷òîáû èçìåíèòü ñâîå âîñïðèÿòèå ìèðà,
... ëþäè ïûòàþòñÿ èçìåíèòü ñàì ìèð
--- GoldED+/W32 1.1.2
 * Origin: Ñåòåâîé ôèëüòð íà 5 áàçàðîâ (2:5093/4.126)


 RU.COMPRESS 
 From : Nick Mazurkin                        2:5052/5.46    12 Nov 01 19:22:43
 To   : Bulat Ziganshin                     
 Subj : Re: Ha                                                                       


Ïðèâåòñòâóþ, Bulat!

12 Nov 29 09:57, Bulat Ziganshin ïèñàë ê Yuri Bildin:

 YB>> Hóæíî îïèñàíèå ôîðìàòà ha-àðõèâà. Êîíêðåòíî íóæíî èç àðõèâà
 YB>> âûóäèòü ñîäåðæàíèå ôàéëà-îïèñàíèå *.diz. Âðÿäëè, ÿ äóìàþ åñòü ha
 YB>> SDK...

 BZ> ftp://ftp.elf.stuba.sk/pub/pc/pack/ha0999.zip  HA v0.999 beta - Packer
 BZ> by Harri Hirvola

 www.wotsit.org

Çàîäíî âîïðîñ ïî òåìå ýõè. Åñòü óïàêîâùèêè ôàéëîâ ïîä Windows. Õî÷åòñÿ â öåëÿõ
÷àñòè÷íîé çàùèòû ïðîãðàììû óïàêîâàòü ïðîãðàììó òàêèì óïàêîâùèêîì, íî ñ ìóòàöèÿì
è, òî åñòü ÿ äîëæåí ñîçäàòü ñâîþ ïàðó ôèëüòðîâ óïàêîâêà-ðàñïàêîâêà. Òàêèå åñòü,
 èëè óïàêîâùèê â èñõîäíèêàõ?

Ñ óâàæåíèåì, Hèêîëàé.

mazurkin@mailru.com, http://mazurkin.virtualave.net, ICQ# - 92690065

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 RU.COMPRESS 
 From : Bulat Ziganshin                      2:5093/4.126   12 Nov 01 20:16:23
 To   : Nick Mazurkin                       
 Subj : Ha                                                                           


* Originally in RU.COMPRESS
Ïðèÿòíîãî òåáå äíÿ è íåçàáûâàåìîé íî÷è, Nick!

Monday November 12 2001, Nick Mazurkin writes to Bulat Ziganshin:
 NM> Çàîäíî âîïðîñ ïî òåìå ýõè. Åñòü óïàêîâùèêè ôàéëîâ ïîä Windows.
 NM> Õî÷åòñÿ
 NM> â öåëÿõ ÷àñòè÷íîé çàùèòû ïðîãðàììû óïàêîâàòü ïðîãðàììó òàêèì
 NM> óïàêîâùèêîì, íî ñ ìóòàöèÿìè, òî åñòü ÿ äîëæåí ñîçäàòü ñâîþ ïàðó
 NM> ôèëüòðîâ óïàêîâêà-ðàñïàêîâêà. Òàêèå åñòü, èëè óïàêîâùèê â èñõîäíèêàõ?

áëèí, êàêîé òàì ñ÷àñ ëó÷øèé óïàêîâùèê exe? âîò îí êàê ðàç â èñõîäíèêàõ. à, âðîä
å upx

Bulat, mailto:bulatzATfort.tatarstan.ru, ICQ 15872722

... Èíîãäà äëÿ òîãî, ÷òîáû èçìåíèòü ñâîå âîñïðèÿòèå ìèðà,
... ëþäè ïûòàþòñÿ èçìåíèòü ñàì ìèð
--- GoldED+/W32 1.1.2
 * Origin: Ñåòåâîé ôèëüòð íà 5 áàçàðîâ (2:5093/4.126)


 RU.COMPRESS 
 From : IP Robot                             2:5093/4.126   13 Nov 01 01:07:14
 To   : All                                 
 Subj : News at ftp://ftp.elf.stuba.sk/pub/pc/pack/                                  


  ftp://ftp.elf.stuba.sk/pub/pc/pack/wace211.exe
WinAce Archiver v2.11 for Win9x/NT (2,699,930 bytes)
  ftp://ftp.elf.stuba.sk/pub/pc/pack/wace211d.exe
WinAce Archiver v2.11 for Win9x/NT - German Edition (2,701,289 bytes)


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 RU.COMPRESS 
 From : Serge Kuchkin                        2:5020/1903    14 Nov 01 18:51:26
 To   : All                                 
 Subj : Ñæàòèå ìàòpèöû                                                               


                             Good day [night]!

    Èìååòñÿ ìàòpèöà áîëüøîãî pàçìåpà (8000x8000 ýëåìåíòîâ). Ýëåìåíò = 2 áèòà.
    Äâå çàäà÷è:
        à) çàïîëíåíèå;
        á) âûáîpêà.

    *Çàïîëíåíèå* ñòpîê ïpîèñõîäèò â ñëy÷àéíîì ïîpÿäêå. Hà âõîä ïpèíèìàþòñÿ ñèìâ
îëû ñ n-ãî ïî m-é ñòpîêè ñ íîìåpîì k.

    0 < n < 8000
    0 < m < 8000

    n < m, ïpè÷åì m-n << 8000

    n, k äîñòàòî÷íî ñëy÷àéíû.
Çàïîëíåíèå íåêpèòè÷íî ïî âpåìåíè.

    *Âûáîpêà* äîëæíà ïpîèñõîäèòü áûñòpî, íåîáõîäèìî "âûpåçàòü" îïpåäåëåííûé êâà
äpàò ñ çàäàâàåìûìè pàçìåpàìè è ïîëîæåíèåì. "Âûpåçàííûé" êâàäpàò ïîñòpî÷íî yõîäè
ò äàëåå â îápàáîò÷èê.

    *Hàäî* õpàíèòü ìàòpèöy â êàê ìîæíî áîëåå êîìïàêòíîì ñîñòîÿíèè ïpè æåñòêèõ y
ñëîâèÿõ íà ñêîpîñòü âûáîpêè. Âîçìîæíî ñæàòèå ñ ïîòåpÿìè.

Äàííûå â äâyìåpíîì "âçãëÿäå" ñèëüíî îäíîpîäíûå. Ïpåäëàãàåòñÿ áàíàëüíûé RLE ïî ñ
òpîêàì, íî ìîæåò áûòü íàyêà yøëà äàëüøå.

    With best regards, Serge Kuchkin | <e-mail: serge_kuchkin@mail.ru>

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 * Origin: 100 Acre Wood Station (2:5020/1903)


 RU.COMPRESS 
 From : Alexander Kothubievski               2:5020/400     14 Nov 01 19:29:20
 To   : All                                 
 Subj : 1 bit images                                                                 


From: "Alexander Kothubievski" <alexander@olivesoftware.com>

Hi All,

Ñóùåñòâóåò ëè êàêîé òî ìåòîä ñæàòèÿ , êîòîðûé äàåò áîëåå õîðîøèå ðåçóëüòàòû
÷åì  LWZH   íà black/white images ( 1 bit per pixel )

Alexander Kotchubievski

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 RU.COMPRESS 
 From : Dmitry Shkarin                       2:5020/400     15 Nov 01 23:15:38
 To   : Alexander Kothubievski              
 Subj : Re: 1 bit images                                                             


From: "Dmitry Shkarin" <dmitry.shkarin@mtu-net.ru>

                    Hi, Alexander!
> Ñóùåñòâóåò ëè êàêîé òî ìåòîä ñæàòèÿ , êîòîðûé äàåò áîëåå õîðîøèå
ðåçóëüòàòû
> ÷åì  LWZH   íà black/white images ( 1 bit per pixel )
    Â ñìûñëå LZW? Äà êàêîé íå âîçüìè - ëþáîé áóäåò ëó÷øå. Åñëè íóæåí
ñïåöèàëèçèðîâàííûé àëãîðèòì, èùè ïî êëþ÷åâûì ñëîâàì: CCITT facsimile
compression, JBIG, JBIG2, TIC.



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 RU.COMPRESS 
 From : Alexander Topolskiy                  2:6009/2.41    16 Nov 01 00:09:40
 To   : Alexander Kothubievski              
 Subj : 1 bit images                                                                 


Ïðèâåòñòâóþ òåáÿ, Alexander !

 Ñðåäà Hîÿáðü 14 2001 19:29, Alexander Kothubievski ïèñàë All:

 AK> Ñóùåñòâóåò ëè êàêîé òî ìåòîä ñæàòèÿ , êîòîðûé äàåò áîëåå õîðîøèå
 AK> ðåçóëüòàòû ÷åì  LWZH   íà black/white images ( 1 bit per pixel )
RLE?

                wbr, Nikko.

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 RU.COMPRESS 
 From : IP Robot                             2:5093/4.126   21 Nov 01 01:59:26
 To   : All                                 
 Subj : News at ftp://ftp.elf.stuba.sk/pub/pc/pack/                                  


  ftp://ftp.elf.stuba.sk/pub/pc/pack/csfv132.rar
cSFV v1.32 - Util for CRC32 value calculation and checking (245,518 bytes)
  ftp://ftp.elf.stuba.sk/pub/pc/pack/tzip.zip
TASKZIP v2.10 - ZIP format based back-up util for Win9x/NT/2000 (2,744,503 byte
s)


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 RU.COMPRESS 
 From : Bulat Ziganshin                      2:5093/4.126   21 Nov 01 23:17:40
 To   : Serge Kuchkin                       
 Subj : Ñæàòèå ìàòpèöû                                                               


* Originally in RU.COMPRESS
Ïðèÿòíîãî òåáå äíÿ è íåçàáûâàåìîé íî÷è, Serge!

Wednesday November 14 2001, Serge Kuchkin writes to All:
 SK>     Èìååòñÿ ìàòpèöà áîëüøîãî pàçìåpà (8000x8000 ýëåìåíòîâ). Ýëåìåíò =
 SK> 2 áèòà.

ðàçáèòü ìàòðèöó íà ñòðî÷êè 1*16 è õðàíèòü íåíóëåâûå ñòðîêè â õåøå?

Bulat, mailto:bulatzATfort.tatarstan.ru, ICQ 15872722

... Èíîãäà äëÿ òîãî, ÷òîáû èçìåíèòü ñâîå âîñïðèÿòèå ìèðà,
... ëþäè ïûòàþòñÿ èçìåíèòü ñàì ìèð
--- GoldED+/W32 1.1.2
 * Origin: Ñåòåâîé ôèëüòð íà 5 áàçàðîâ (2:5093/4.126)


 RU.COMPRESS 
 From : Igor S Megel                         2:454/7.144    24 Nov 01 15:59:16
 To   : All                                 
 Subj : Âîññòàíîâëåíèå áèòîãî ZIP àpõèâà                                             


Ïpèâåò, All!

Åñòü ëè â ïpèpîäå ïpîãè äëÿ subj.
Èëè êàêèì îápàçîì âîññòàíîâèòü àpõèâ åñëè åãî êîïèÿ åñòü â èíåòå (áåç ïîëíîé
ïîâòîpíîé çàãpóçêè) ???

With my best regard & wishes, Igor.

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 RU.COMPRESS 
 From : Eugene D. Shelwien                   2:5020/400     25 Nov 01 02:55:28
 To   : Igor S Megel                        
 Subj : Re: Âîññòàíîâëåíèå áèòîãî   ZIP àpõèâà                                       


From: "Eugene D. Shelwien" <shelwien@thermosyn.com>

Hi!

Igor S Megel wrote:

> Åñòü ëè â ïpèpîäå ïpîãè äëÿ subj.
> Èëè êàêèì îápàçîì âîññòàíîâèòü àpõèâ åñëè åãî êîïèÿ åñòü â èíåòå (áåç ïîëíîé
> ïîâòîpíîé çàãpóçêè) ???

Åñòü òàêàÿ ôèøêà, êàê Iczelion's HTTP Zip Downloader.
http://win32asm.rxsp.com/files/zipdl.zip
Ïîçâîëÿåò ñêà÷àòü îòäåëüíûå ôàéëû èç àðõèâà â èíåòå, íå
âûòàñêèâàÿ åãî öåëèêîì. Hî òîëüêî ïî http è áåç âñÿêèõ
ïðîêñåé. Çàòî èñõîäíèêè ïðèëàãàþòñÿ. Hà àñìå ;)
 
> With my best regard & wishes, Igor.

Ñ÷àñòëèâî!
 - Øåëâèí

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 RU.COMPRESS 
 From : IP Robot                             2:5093/4.126   26 Nov 01 23:12:55
 To   : All                                 
 Subj : News at ftp://ftp.elf.stuba.sk/pub/pc/pack/                                  


  ftp://ftp.elf.stuba.sk/pub/pc/pack/sbc0910d.zip
SBC v0.910 beta for DOS - Secure archiver with built-in encryption options (199
,837 bytes)
  ftp://ftp.elf.stuba.sk/pub/pc/pack/sbc0910w.zip
SBC v0.910 beta for Win32 - Secure archvier with built-in encryption options (1
57,446 bytes)
  ftp://ftp.elf.stuba.sk/pub/pc/pack/usbc910d.zip
UnSBC v0.910 beta for DOS - SBC Unpacker (127,664 bytes)
  ftp://ftp.elf.stuba.sk/pub/pc/pack/usbc910w.zip
UnSBC v0.910 beta for Win32 - SBC Unpacker (88,837 bytes)
  ftp://ftp.elf.stuba.sk/pub/pc/pack/wrar29hu.exe
RAR v2.90 for Windows (32-bit) - Hungarian Edition (789,289 bytes)


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 RU.COMPRESS 
 From : IP Robot                             2:5093/4.126   30 Nov 01 00:02:49
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 Subj : News at ftp://ftp.elf.stuba.sk/pub/pc/pack/                                  


  ftp://ftp.elf.stuba.sk/pub/pc/pack/acdzip.exe
ACDZip v1.0 - Compression util for Win32 by ACDSee makers (3,222,744 bytes)
  ftp://ftp.elf.stuba.sk/pub/pc/pack/arj281.exe
ARJ v2.81 - File archiver for DOS (490,401 bytes)
  ftp://ftp.elf.stuba.sk/pub/pc/pack/arj32v3q.exe
ARJ32 v3.10 - File archiver for Win32 (474,480 bytes)
  ftp://ftp.elf.stuba.sk/pub/pc/pack/zipscn14.zip
ZipScan v1.4 - File inside the ZIP archives searching util  (152,461 bytes)


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 From : IP Robot                             2:5093/4.126   08 Dec 01 02:04:41
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 Subj : News at ftp://ftp.elf.stuba.sk/pub/pc/pack/                                  


  ftp://ftp.elf.stuba.sk/pub/pc/pack/arcdf121.zip
ArcDiff v1.2.1 - Win32 tool to compare contents of ZIP, LZH, CAB and RAR archiv
es without melting (1,656,439 bytes)
  ftp://ftp.elf.stuba.sk/pub/pc/pack/pecpt168.zip
PECompact v1.68 - Win9x/NT4/W2k Executables Packer (101,913 bytes)
  ftp://ftp.elf.stuba.sk/pub/pc/pack/qzip207.exe
QuickZip v2.07 - Archiver for Win32 (2,934,290 bytes)


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 RU.COMPRESS 
 From : Daniil Uspensky                      2:5030/1551.7  08 Dec 01 06:28:11
 To   : Kirill Alenin                       
 Subj : àðõèâàòîðû                                                                   


Hello Kirill!

07 Äåê 01, Kirill Alenin wrote to All:

 KA> Hå ïîäñêàæåòå ëè, êàê ïðèêðóòèòü ñàáæ ê Ôàðó? Òàì íàäî ÷òî-òî
 KA> ïðîïèñûâàòü, íî â ôàð.ñóïïîðò ìåíÿ ñþäà îòïðàâèëè èçó÷àòü êîìàíäíóþ
 KA> ñòðîêó äîñ

Êîìàíäíóþ ñòðîêó äîñ èçó÷þò â ru.dos :-)

Daniil

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 RU.COMPRESS 
 From : Maxim Smirnov                        2:5020/400     11 Dec 01 10:01:53
 To   : Andrew V Sovgir                     
 Subj : Lempel-Ziv                                                                   


From: "Maxim Smirnov" <model@iac.spb.ru>

Thu Dec 06 2001 21:19, Andrew V Sovgir wrote to All:

 AVS> Çäpàâñòâyéòå, ìíîãîyâàæàåìûé All!

 AVS> Èùåòñÿ îïèñàíèå ñàáæåâîãî àëãîpèòìà â âåpñèè LZ77. Èñêàë â èíåòå, íî
 AVS> êàæäûé îïèñûâàåò àëãîpèòì ïî-pàçíîìy, íå äåëàÿ îñîáûõ pàçëè÷èé ìåæäy
 AVS> âåpñèÿìè, à õî÷åòñÿ ÷åãî-òî îïpåäåëåííîãî.

Äà, åñòü òàêîå. Êóäà íå ïëþíü, ñïëîøíîé LZ77.
Òåáå ôîðìàëüíîå îïèñàíèå àëè êàê?
Åñëè ïåðâîå, òî ñõîäè â áèáëèîòåêó:
Ziv J. and Lempel A. A universal algorithms for sequential data 
compression. IEEE Transactions on Information Theory, Vol. IT-23, N3, 
pp.337-343, May 1977.

Åæåëè âòîðîå, òî:
[cut]
Îò:Vladimir Semenjuk (semenjuk@green.ifmo.ru)
Çàãîëîâîê:Re: LZ77 
Ãðóïïû íîâîñòåé:fido7.ru.compress
×èñëî:1999/11/16  

Ðàññìîòðèì äâà ïðîñòåéøèõ àëãîðèòìà ñåìåéñòâà LZ77: LZ77 è LZSS. Áóäåì
êîäèðîâàòü ñëîâî "îáîðîíîñïîñîáíîñòü", èñïîëüçóÿ ñëîâàðü ïîèñêà ñ
ôèêñèðîâàííûì ðàçìåðîì, ðàâíûì 7 ñèìâîëàì (äëÿ çàïèñè ñìåùåíèÿ òðåáóåòñÿ 3
áèòà (îäíî çíà÷åíèå çàðåçåðâèðîâàíî ïîä óêàçàíèå îòñóòñòâèÿ ñîâïàäåíèÿ)), è
áóôåðîì ïîèñêà ñ ôèêñèðîâàííûì ðàçìåðîì, ðàâíûì 2 ñèìâîëàì (òàêèì îáðàçîì,
äëÿ óêàçàíèÿ äëèíû òðåáóåòñÿ 1 áèò). Êîä äëÿ ñëîâà, ïîëó÷åííûé ñ ïðèìåíåíèåì
àëãîðèòìà LZ77, áóäåò âûãëÿäåòü ñëåäóþùèì îáðàçîì:
<0,0,"î"><0,0,"á"><2,1,"ð"><2,1,"í"><2,1,"ñ"><0,0,"ï"><3,2,"î"><0,0,"á"><0,0
,"í"><4,2,"ò"><0,0,"ü">.
Äëèíà êàæäîé êîäîâîé òðèàäû ðàâíà 12 áèòàì, åñëè èñõîäíûé àëôàâèò ñîñòîèò èç
256 ñèìâîëîâ (12 = 3 + 1 +8). Ïðè ðàññìîòðåíèè àëãîðèòìà LZSS óâåëè÷èì
ñëîâàðü ïîèñêà íà 1 ñèìâîë, òàê êàê â äàííîì ñëó÷àå íåò íåîáõîäèìîñòè
ðåçåðâèðîâàòü íóëåâîå ñìåùåíèå äëÿ óêàçàíèÿ îòñóòñòâèÿ ñîâïàäåíèÿ.
Àëãîðèòìîì LZSS çàêîäèðóåò ðàññìàòðèâàåìîå ñëîâî òàê:
0<"î">0<"á">1<2,1>0<"ð">1<2,1>0<"í">1<2,1>0<"ñ">0<"ï">1<3,2>1<2,1>0<"á">1<8,
3>0<"ò">0<"ü">.
Äëÿ çàïèñè ñëóæåáíûõ áèòîâ òðåáóåòñÿ îäèí áèò, äëÿ çàïèñè êîäîâîé ïàðû - 3 +
1 = 4 áèòà, à äëÿ çàïèñè íåçàêîäèðîâàííîãî ñèìâîëà - 8 áèò. Ââåäåíèå
ñëóæåáíîãî áèòà, êîòîðûé ðàçëè÷àåò íåçàêîäèðîâàííûå ñèìâîëû è êîäîâûå ïàðû,
ïîçâîëÿåò ïîâûñèòü ýôôåêòèâíîñòü ñæàòèÿ. ( ïåðâîì ñëó÷àå êîýôôèöèåíò ñæàòèÿ
ðàâåí 92%, à âî âòîðîì - 77%.)
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Ñ àâòîðîì ïðîöèòèðîâàííîãî ïèñüìà ñîãëàñåí :-)
Õîòÿ òî÷íî íå ïîìíþ, íàêëàäûâàëèñü ëè êàêèå-òî îãðàíè÷åíèÿ â ñòàòüå
ïðî LZSS îò 1982 ãîäà íà ìèí. äëèíó êîäèðóåìûõ ñòðîê, à ñòàòüè ïîä ðóêîé 
íåò. Âðîäå êàê íå íàêëàäûâàëèñü, ò.å. óæå ïðè åäèíè÷íîì ñîâïàäåíèè ñèìâîë 
êîäèðîâàëñÿ êàê ñòðîêà.

 AVS> È åùå: åñòü ëè y êîãî ñâåäåíèÿ, âî ñêîëüêî pàç ïpèìåpíî ýòîò àëãîpèòì
 AVS> äîëæåí ñæèìàòü äàííûå?
Ýòî çàâèñèò îò äàííûõ, äàæå ïðèìåðíîå ñëîæíî ñêàçàòü :-)
Õîòÿ âðÿä ëè ìåíÿ óïðåêíóò âî âðàíüå, åñëè íàçîâó öèôðó 1.5

Maxim

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 From : Andrew V Sovgir                      2:5036/40.3    11 Dec 01 23:22:14
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 Subj : Lempel-Ziv                                                                   


Çäpàâñòâyéòå, ìíîãîyâàæàåìûé Maxim!

11 äåêàápÿ 2001 10:01, Maxim Smirnov ïèñàë Andrew V Sovgir:

AVS>> Èùåòñÿ îïèñàíèå ñàáæåâîãî àëãîpèòìà â âåpñèè LZ77. Èñêàë â
AVS>> èíåòå, íî êàæäûé îïèñûâàåò àëãîpèòì ïî-pàçíîìy, íå äåëàÿ îñîáûõ
AVS>> pàçëè÷èé ìåæäy âåpñèÿìè, à õî÷åòñÿ ÷åãî-òî îïpåäåëåííîãî.
MS> Äà, åñòü òàêîå. Êyäà íå ïëþíü, ñïëîøíîé LZ77.
MS> Òåáå ôîpìàëüíîå îïèñàíèå àëè êàê?
MS> Åñëè ïåpâîå, òî ñõîäè â áèáëèîòåêy:
MS> Ziv J. and Lempel A. A universal algorithms for sequential data
MS> compression. IEEE Transactions on Information Theory, Vol. IT-23, N3,
MS> pp.337-343, May 1977.

À â èíåòå íåò ýòîé ñòàòüè?

À âîîáùå ñïàñèáî, ñìûñë ïîíÿë, íî ôîpìàëüíîå îïèñàíèå òîæå èíòåpåñíî.

Âñåãî íàèëy÷øåãî, Maxim!

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 To   : Andrew V Sovgir                     
 Subj : Lempel-Ziv                                                                   


From: "Maxim Smirnov" <model@iac.spb.ru>

Tue Dec 11 2001 23:22, Andrew V Sovgir wrote to Maxim Smirnov:
 MS>> Ziv J. and Lempel A. A universal algorithms for sequential data
algorithm                                      ^^^ 
 MS>> compression. IEEE Transactions on Information Theory, Vol. IT-23, N3,
 MS>> pp.337-343, May 1977.

 AVS> À â èíåòå íåò ýòîé ñòàòüè?

Åñòü, êîíå÷íî. Åñëè òû ÷ëåí IEEE è/èëè èñïûòûâàåøü ñòðàñòíîå
æåëàíèå ïîòðàòèòü ïðèëè÷íóþ ñóììó äåíåã, òî ìîæåøü âîñïîëüçîâàòüñÿ
óñëóãàìè îíëàéíîâîé áèáëèîòåêè îçíà÷åííîãî ÎÎÎ "Ðîãà è êîïûòà".
 ëþáîì ñëó÷àå, ìîæåøü ïîãëàçåòü íà àáñòðàêòû. Hàïðèìåð, çäåñü:
http://galaxy.ucsd.edu/welcome.htm
Õîòÿ, êîíå÷íî, â óçêèõ êðóãàõ ìíîãî ÷åãî èíòåðåñíîãî êóðñèðóåò.
Òàê ÷òî áûòü ìîæåò, áûòü ìîæåò è â äèêîì âèäå âñòðå÷àåòñÿ.
Hà ñàìîì äåëå, ÿ óæå ãîäà 2 ìå÷òàþ î òîì, ÷òîáû ýòó è ðÿä
äðóãèõ ñòàòåé îòñêàíèðîâàòü, íî âñå îòêðåùèâàþñü :-)
Äåëî â òîì, ÷òî ïîëüçà îò íèõ ñîìíèòåëüíàÿ, ðàçâå ÷òî èñòîðèêàì
è ìåòîäèñòàì. Ïëþñ ìíîãî ôîðìóë è çàãîãóëèí, ÷òî ñîçäàåò ïðîáëåìû
ñ ðàñïîçíàâàíèåì. À äåðæàòü êàê êàðòèíêè -- ýòî ìåãàáàéòà 2, íå
î÷åíü èíòåðåñíî.

 AVS> À âîîáùå ñïàñèáî, ñìûñë ïîíÿë, íî ôîpìàëüíîå îïèñàíèå òîæå èíòåpåñíî.

çàìå÷ó, ÷òî ìíå ñòàòüÿ íå ïîíðàâèëàñü -- ìíîãî ïîòóñòîðîííèõ
òåðìèíîâ è îáîçíà÷åíèé, ñàì àëãîðèòì ìóòíî îïèñàí (íà âñÿêèé
ñëó÷àé: âñòóïàòü â ñïîð ïî äàííîìó âîïðîñó íå ñîáèðàþñü)

Maxim

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 From : Igor Kizhaev                         2:5010/227.13  15 Dec 01 03:59:57
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 Subj : Âåéâëåòû                                                                     



      /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/I Ïðèâåòóñ, All! I/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\

Ïpî÷èòàë â ÓÔH çà Ìàé/2001 òîì 171 ñ 465 èíòåpåñíóþ ñòàòåéêó
"Âåéâëåòû è èõ èñïîëüçîâàíèå".

Åñëè êòî çíàåò, ãäå ìîæíî íàéòè ìàòåpèàë ïî òåìå
"èñïîëüçîâàíèå âåéâëåò ìåòîäîâ äëÿ ñæàòèÿ èíôîpìàöèè",
òî ïpîñüáà - pàññêàçàòü, ëèáî óêàçàòü àäp., ãäå ìîæíî íàéòè.

Çàpàíåå áëàãîäàpåí.

        Ñ óâàæåíèåì,
            Igor Kizhaev.
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Ïðèâåò, All.

Ñàáæ? Êàêèìè àëãîðèòìàìè ýôôåêòèâíåé? Îñîáåííî ïðè íå î÷åíü áîëüøèõ ôàéëàõ.

PS MTF ïîäîéä¸ò?

 Sasha
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 To   : All                                 
 Subj : \esc                                                                         


Hello All!

Ïðåäëîæèòå ïðîñòåíüêèé ìåòîä âû÷èñëåíèÿ âåðîÿòíîñòè ýñêåéï-ñèìâîëà â ppm. Õî÷ó 
ïîêà ïðîñòî ïðîâåðèòü êàê ðàáîòàåò ìîÿ prefix tree :-)

Daniil

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 From : Maxim Smirnov                        2:5020/400     17 Dec 01 09:11:07
 To   : Igor Kizhaev                        
 Subj : Âåéâëåòû                                                                     


From: "Maxim Smirnov" <model@iac.spb.ru>

Sat Dec 15 2001 03:59, Igor Kizhaev wrote to All:

 IK>       /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/I Ïðèâåòóñ, All! I/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\

 IK> Ïpî÷èòàë â ÓÔH çà Ìàé/2001 òîì 171 ñ 465 èíòåpåñíóþ ñòàòåéêó
 IK> "Âåéâëåòû è èõ èñïîëüçîâàíèå".

 IK> Åñëè êòî çíàåò, ãäå ìîæíî íàéòè ìàòåpèàë ïî òåìå
 IK> "èñïîëüçîâàíèå âåéâëåò ìåòîäîâ äëÿ ñæàòèÿ èíôîpìàöèè",
 IK> òî ïpîñüáà - pàññêàçàòü, ëèáî óêàçàòü àäp., ãäå ìîæíî íàéòè.

ïîïðîáóé
http://graphics.cs.msu.su/

Maxim

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 From : Maxim Smirnov                        2:5020/400     17 Dec 01 09:15:09
 To   : Daniil Uspensky                     
 Subj : \esc                                                                         


From: "Maxim Smirnov" <model@iac.spb.ru>

Sun Dec 16 2001 13:48, Daniil Uspensky wrote to All:

 DU> Ïðåäëîæèòå ïðîñòåíüêèé ìåòîä âû÷èñëåíèÿ âåðîÿòíîñòè ýñêåéï-ñèìâîëà â ppm.
 DU> Õî÷ó ïîêà ïðîñòî ïðîâåðèòü êàê ðàáîòàåò ìîÿ prefix tree :-)

Ñòàòè÷åñêèé ìåòîä D ïîäîéäåò?

esc = S/2C,
S -- êîë-âî ñèìâîëîâ
C -- êîë-âî ïîÿâëåíèé ñîîòâ-ãî êîíòåêñòà (â êîòîðîì îöåíèâàåòñÿ esc)

íà òåêñòàõ ðàáîòàåò î÷åíü õîðîøî

Maxim

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