Ryan Jessup: Sacramento Bee's Latest Housing Bubble "Victim"
One of the most disappointing aspects of the media's coverage since the housing bubble burst (besides the blind reliance on "expert" opinion), has been the parade of so-called victims. Is it just me, or has the media struggled mightily in its search for legitimate causalities of the housing bubble fiasco? Are they looking in the wrong places? Is it simply that there is not enough genuine victims?
I pondered these questions as I read an article by Jim Wasserman in Sunday's Sacramento Bee. Among others, the story profiles a man by the name of Ryan Jessup, who "walked away" from his Oak Park house (this site says it was a short sale).
[M]any who can afford their payments have decided it's no longer worth it. They walk, or, as is becoming the trend, park rent-free in the house for months until they get the boot.What Mr. Wasserman didn't say in the article is that apparently Ryan Jessup has quite the history of touting the virtues of Sacramento real estate in comments at sacbee.com. As the name sounded familiar, I dug through Sacramento Land(ing)'s "save for future use" folder and ran across some quotes by a sacbee.com commenter named "rjessup2mouse." Could rjessup2mouse be Ryan Jessup?
It's a question that Ryan Jessup of Sacramento answered a year ago, when he, too, sensed the financial game had turned against him. Early in 2008, the software engineer stopped making payments on his Victorian house in Oak Park. A long habit of playing by the rules, he said, had provided him a good income, a credit score of 804 and a lovely $430,000 house. But when playing by the rules meant riding down the housing market to who knows where, he said, "It came down to morals or survival. I chose survival. It made no sense to stay."
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Many borrowers like Clawson and Jessup no longer feel so obligated to a financial system they believe overstimulated the housing market, sold them questionable loan products, sometimes by fraud, and then didn't provide help they need in the face of falling home values.
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Jessup walked away. "I haven't even looked (at the credit score)," he said. "It's like being hit by a train or a bus."
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Jessup, looking back, has no regrets. He lives with a friend now who has also stopped making payments on a condo bought at the peak of the market in 2005.
I started to read the article's comments and sure enough, rjessup2mouse, purporting to be Ryan Jessup quickly chimed in on his own story:
rjessup2mouse wrote on 03/08/2009 06:47:04 AM:Assuming that rjessup2mouse really is Ryan Jessup, let's take a look at how Jessup got to the point of parting with his own bit of Sacramento real estate. Below are some excerpts from comments made by Ryan Jessup over the last few years. Jessup's arguments (and tone) nicely encapsulate the mindset of many, whether "experts" or not, in the face of the housing bubble's implosion.
Good article Jim - this is a very hotly debated topic right now and weighing on alot of peoples minds. yes the house was actually in a nice neighborhood. Not all of Oak Park is bad... I was extremely choosy of where I bought and wanted to be closer to downtown as I figured the value would hold up better. It did but still fell enough for me to leave. I did not think it would increase in price when I bought it. I am sure alot of people on this board are going to be angry - I figured as much - I am not happy with the way it turned out and I lost alot of $$$ on it. But to me it was better to lose alot then to lose it all (and keep losing). One of the reasons I chose to be a part of the article was for the people who were not speculators or anyone who thought the market would go up forever. Just for normal people who had always played by the rules and then the game changed. Each situation is different and deciding to miss that first payment is a tough one.
For those who choose not to wade through the excerpts, here is a summary of Ryan Jessup's assertions over the years:
(1.) Employment is strong
(2.) Population growth is strong
(3.) Home prices will not crash
(4.) It's all about affording the monthly payment
(5.) State government is strong
(6.) The sky is not falling
(7.) This will not be like the .com implosion
(8.) There are a lot of buyers out there (especially in my neighborhood)
(9.) My neighborhood is special/great/different [see green highlights below]
(10.) The economy is strong
(11.) Those who did not buy "missed the boat"
(12.) Real estate is not the stock market
(13.) Real estate is not wildly unaffordable
(14.) People have made millions on real estate
(15.) Construction employment is still going strong
(16.) My industry sources say things are good
(17.) This is nothing like the 1990s (as in not as bad).
(18.) The bottom is near
(19.) Good areas (i.e. where I live) are doing fine
(20.) The worst is behind us
(21.) I bought in 200x, I will be fine
(22.) Subprime will have little impact
(23.) The Bay Area will save us...
Now on to the excerpts. Let's start out with Ryan Jessup's take on the Sacramento Bee's ill-conceived 'No Panic' piece, which was published just as home prices were going negative (yoy).
rjessup2mouse at 7:28 AM PST Tuesday, June 20, 2006 wrote:According to DataQuick, the total home price decline exceeded 53% back in December. Funny, I don't remember any recent reports of software engineers buying 20 homes at a time. Also note Jessup's advice for homeowners to ride out the downturn.
To a lot of negative folks - the market will be ok
There are people who write comments in these sections that would LOVE to see housing fall down. So you come up with your doomsday scenarios and facts to support your own theories. Sorry - this article is one of the better ones around. Solid job and population growth in Sacramento will keep from a market crash. Sorry for all you "experts" out there who need to bash the bee and think the market is 53% overvalued. If prices drop 53% here I will buy 20 of them..... I do believe prices will drop a little more and then basically become stagnation for a long time. People who own should not expect appreciation for 5 years at least. Homeowners - just ride out the current downtrend by staying in your house. Homebuyers - maybe wait a couple of months. Or find a homeowner who is panicking and get a bargain.
rjessup2mouse at 9:24 AM PST Thursday, June 22, 2006 wrote:I find the final two comments, made in January 2008, particularly interesting given that Jessup purportedly stopped paying his Oak Park mortgage in early 2008.
...I also agree there seems to be alot of negativity. Those generally come from people with a vested interest in seeing the market fall. Everyone tried to talk me out of buying in 2002 - saying that it was better to rent and the sky will fall. All I can say is I know a TON of friends that sure hate renting and I am sure glad I didn't listen to the naysayers. It really all comes down to the monthly payment and can you afford it...If you are in the house for the long haul - you will be fine if you lock in a good rate and price isn't as important...
rjessup2mouse at 2:45 PM PST Wednesday, June 28, 2006 wrote:
Prices will fall some but they won't crash
But I am suprised that there is a 42% chance that they won't decline. Prices will decline some but won't crash as incomes need to catch up. The State of California is Sacramento's main employer and the state is in hiring mode and doing well. There seems to be quite a few positions open.
rjessup2mouse at 9:13 AM PST Thursday, June 29, 2006 wrote:
...Prices will fall a little and then stagnate for a long while. There seems to be a vicious negative tone to the people who have an interest in the market and sky falling. I think you will see a pretty large difference in the .com drop and a housing drop. Wether you have money or not - there are people (alot) that have $ to buy houses and the region is not short of buyers . Plus the economy here is strong. People are simply waiting to see if they can get a better deal by holding off some. This combined with homeowners panicking to get the the best price now before any drop - that is why you see so many homes on the market. Prices have gotten high but they won't fall overnight (like stocks) and won't change much on even a yearly basis. I think the largest correction might happen in the next 3 months. Like I have said before - buyers - wait a little to get a better deal - homeowners - don't panic and remember why you bought your house (to live in) and ride out the real estate game in sac.
rjessup2mouse at 7:57 AM PST Wednesday, July 12, 2006 wrote:
I agree prices are falling - I never said anything otherwise. I just don't believe the extreme view of the market falling apart. Extreme views rarely happen and are more based on theories and in cases such as this thread - hopes of someone who has a vested interest. Alot of people want to focus on the negative and ignore positive. There are too many things in Sacramento's favor for housing to fall apart. I totally agree a price correction is currently happening. I think a 8-10% correction is in order, then basically very little or no appreciation for roughly 5 years.
rjessup2mouse at 1:25 PM PST Tuesday, July 18, 2006 wrote:
markets are dictated by emotion coupled with supply and demand.I think there will be some more slight drops followed by some large stagnation. Can't wait to see all "the sky is falling" comments in this thread shortly.
rjessup2mouse at 10:10 PM PST Wednesday, August 2, 2006 wrote:
no the sky is not falling but there are going to be bouts of depreciation and people that have a difficult time. Sacramento will be ok. People who are looking for massive depreceation are in for a very slow letdown...
rjessup2mouse at 5:01 PM PST Thursday, August 3, 2006 wrote:
jobs are very healthy and growing in sacramento right now. Be thankful as that does have the biggest impact and is a massive cushion against the sky is falling folks...
rjessup2mouse at 8:24 PM PST Wednesday, August 16, 2006 wrote:
people who are waiting for a crash are in for a slow dissappointment. Prices will probably fall a little more and then hold steady for awhile. The regional economy is too strong for a crash. In fact I have seen alot of Pending Sales in my area (East Sac) because some folks are swooping in to pick up $10-20k price drops...
rjessup2mouse at 7:34 AM PST Thursday, August 17, 2006 wrote:
NoNewArena sounds like a reasonable voice
rjessup2mouse at 9:15 AM PST Thursday, August 17, 2006 wrote:
The people who want housing prices to crash are people who have an agenda. So they try and add fuel to the fire and get joyful of a families demise, just be glad you are not them. There is alot of jealousy over missing the boat and not making $ while others made a lot of money. yeah - prices may fall a little - it isn't going to crash - and the local economy is strong - and mortgage rates are falling. There are alot of buffers. I am already seeing some Pending sales in my neighborhood finally. Buyers wanted to see 10k -20k price drops. People seem to forget there are alot of buyers. And simple math - owning your own home over the long run saves $$. It seems as if its a big game/stock market right now. When prices do a hit a bottom - I bet they spring back up pretty good as people pull inventory out because their houses are making money again and buyers pent up demand comes in pretty quickly.
rjessup2mouse at 12:59 PM PST Thursday, August 17, 2006 wrote:
Be funny when the price bottom hits to see how fast the mentality turns again. Sacramento housing will not fall 25% - thats too steep a decline with so many buyers out there.
rjessup2mouse at 9:05 AM PST Friday, August 18, 2006 wrote:
No the market will not tank - sorry for people who want it too its simple math. what you would be paying for rent principle tax write off = Sacramento is not as overpriced as you would think. sorry andersb - the local economy does matter and the housing market is NOT the stock market. They are both assets but they ACT VERY DIFFERENT. People need to realize that the underlying factors that make them different but I will let you figure that out yourself. I am blown away by the hositlity of people on these postings with their number twisting to try and persuade that the housing market is going to fall 50%. Yes - the market is dropping right now and may drop a little more. But I bet it won't even drop 10% more. But there are alot more factors than simple hope it tanks so you can make a buck by getting a cheaper house. Seems some areas are already starting to rebound (midtown, east sac and med center area)...There are A LOT of buyers out there.
rjessup2mouse at 11:48 AM PST Friday, August 18, 2006 wrote:
...There are too many good things about Sacramento for the market to tfall alot. People have been saying the Bay Area is totally unafforadable and overpriced for about 25 years. that doesn't mean that it was going to drop. Just because some people don't have money - doesn't mean it isn't out there. Don't get me wrong - I probably will not buy in the next 2-3 months or so to see what happens. The market is not good- except maybe closer to downtown - that seems to be showing some suprising strength the last couple of months as prices dropped some and inventory is lower.
rjessup2mouse at 12:43 PM PST Friday, August 18, 2006 wrote:
...People have made MILLIONS on real estate. I don't believe i know ANY wealthy renters but I know a TON of wealthy homeowners...
rjessup2mouse at 8:38 AM PST Thursday, August 31, 2006 wrote:
...Currently I don't believe prices are really that much higher than they should be. I am sure alot of people would disagree with that and probably about 90% of folks on this forum(most people on this forum have a vested interest in wanting prices to come down)...I believe housing will fall maybe a little more and then hold steady for a long time. Just my personal opinion but my track record for being correct has made a lot of $ for people.
rjessup2mouse at 8:46 AM PST Thursday, August 31, 2006 wrote:
I see you are a doomsdayer. Yes - even though the state is adding many jobs and employment is very strong in sacramento its going to all fall apart because....housing employment is down? ummm hate to tell you that construction employment is doing REALLY well right now. All of my construction sources say there is more work then they have folks right now. And comparing the 90's bust to today is comparing apples and oranges. But these housing forums are full of it. Some people on these forums need to get up in the morning and drink a little reality.
rjessup2mouse at 9:25 AM PST Wednesday, September 20, 2006 wrote:
Home prices are close to bottom...Some really good deals are out there. Good areas seem to be closer to downtown...
rjessup2mouse at 12:07 PM PST Sunday, September 24, 2006 wrote:
Thinking a 40% decline huh? your in for a big let down. And heck - that 40% you said was modest. why not bottom at 75%?? you should be able to pick up a 2000 sq foot for around $150k soon right? if you wait long enought maybe at $125k? Some people are absolutely nuts - how do you possibly think it could decline by that? how?
rjessup2mouse at 7:32 AM PST Sunday, October 1, 2006 wrote:
East Sac, Med Center, Midtown and Land Park have been selling alot lately. Closer to downtown seems to have gotten hot(relativly) in the last month and a half actually.
rjessup2mouse at 11:00 AM PST Wednesday, October 18, 2006 wrote:
...I disagree that prices will drop much further though...I think prices by far have gone through the worst of it now.
rjessup2mouse at 7:23 AM PST Thursday, October 19, 2006 wrote:
...and no - I bought in 2002 - I am fine...
rjessup2mouse at 8:57 AM PST Saturday, December 16, 2006 wrote:
...[Y]ou paint a pretty bleak picture of downtown. I think there are plenty of beautiful areas in downtown, east sac , med center and such.
rjessup2mouse at 7:41 AM PST Friday, December 22, 2006 wrote:
Have to completely disagree with Mr.Lyon's assessment on 10% decline for sacramento. Most "experts" predict 3.5%. His is by far the biggesst drop prediction I have read about. This last year seems to have come in about 8.2%. I thought it would have been 10% this last year so it was almost 2% better than i even expected. So is Mr. Lyon saying that this year should be worse than last? Why is he the only one saying this?
rjessup2mouse at 10:25 AM PST Friday, December 22, 2006 wrote:
I have no number crunching but I would have to say that I predicted a 10% drop for the year last year (I was off by 2% )and I will predict a 3-4% drop this year. But I am no expert - I just listen to people who are in the industry and what they see happening.
rjessup2mouse at 9:07 AM PST Sunday, December 31, 2006 wrote:
...Smart money right now is saying that sac is going to do 0 to -3% for the year....
rjessup2mouse at 1:08 PM PST Friday, January 5, 2007 wrote:
people are so negative that have an agenda or a vested interest. The bee has covered stories that make housing look bad and they cover stories that make housing look good. Are you some of the same folks that said it would be down 20% this last year? I remember those predictions a year ago. Looks like Sac was down 8.2%. Some areas in Sac were worse than that and some areas less. But just hoping/waiting for the bottom to fall out is not going to make it happen. California Real Estate is and always will be a good investment long term. The worst is over. That doesn't mean it is bottom but I believe by far the worst is behind.
rjessup2mouse at 10:01 AM PST Wednesday, January 17, 2007 wrote:
Oak Park is changing and I have seen investor interest in it. Next to it - The med center area - is a really good place to have a home and rather safe. Remember - not all of Oak Park is considered "bad".
rjessup2mouse at 8:22 AM PST Wednesday, March 14, 2007 wrote:
...I am not to worried about the subprime headlines of right now. It will have some impact I am sure but not much. Just like everyone was saying the housing market would already be down 35%...
rjessup2mouse at 8:41 PM PST Wednesday, April 4, 2007 wrote:
I think Med center area is already pretty nice.
rjessup2mouse at 1:02 PM PST Thursday, April 5, 2007 wrote:
kindof what I have been saying - Dowtown and Midtown are solid
the suburbs and sub divisions have taken a large hit while closer to downtown has been fairly steady. The houses closer to downtown are bouncing back quicker because people are realizing that you can't make these homes anymore and therefore have good price stability. There will only be less - never more of these homes.
rjessup2mouse at 8:20 AM PST Friday, April 13, 2007 wrote:
funny to see the gloomers again :-) - always makes me chuckle to see the 40% drop again predicted/wanted by home buyers. I am sorry for the doom and gloomers - your not going to get anywhere near that price drop. Not even close. Housing I think is going to take a small hit again - with negative publicity being the bigger culprit than what will actually shake out with the subprime situation. People tend to forget that we are tied to the bay area home prices and that the local job market is plenty strong. I am no real estate agent or optimist - just a realist. For the past few years my predictions have been pretty close - and i would predict possibly another 2-4% drop...
rjessup2mouse at 12:53 PM PST Friday, April 13, 2007 wrote:
...my finances are fine are yours? do you own a house or have you ever? I didn't think so. WIll you? and do the math - its not that tricky - fairly simple actually. As far as predictions - I am sorry to say that it has been fairly accurate. I do appreciate how emotional you are over it - I believe you probably one of the "its going to drop by about 30%" correct? Makes me laugh.
rjessup2mouse at 12:59 PM PST Friday, April 13, 2007 wrote:
isn't it funny? I have been seeing these posts for 2 years now - the predictions by most of the gloomers have been that the market would have dropped 25% as of now. It has not. I think I said 7 - 15% from the start.
rjessup2mouse at 11:33 AM PST Friday, January 18, 2008 wrote:
a little advice - the really good deals
If you want a bargain and something thats gonna retain its value. Buy where a bunch of houses are NOT for sale and try and scoop up a bank repo. Some downtown and surrounding areas have it- just gotta find the right pockets of places.
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rjessup2mouse at 1:46 PM PST Saturday, January 19, 2008 wrote:
time to buy or at least look pretty hard
you folks that are sitting should be looking right now.
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