Is there some reason this has to be a scribd document? On my firefox browser on Ubuntu I can't put the document in fullscreen mode and I find the present side text almost unreadably tiny.
Is there some reason this has to be a scribd document? On my firefox browser on Ubuntu I can't put the document in fullscreen mode and I find the present side text almost unreadably tiny. ================ Sorry to hear about it. My other choice was to post the material directly which would mean it takes up the size of two postings - which is also problematic.
Why don't you try downloading the file and reading it as a pdf.
I would say that EJF first try in getting intermarried couples through direct marketing (ads, infomercials, PR, free retreats etc) failed, so now they try to fish for converts thought affiliates.
I suggest to Tropper amd Kaplam to try one-on-one marketing, set up a mitzvah tank and go to neighborhoods where intermarried couples live (Park Slop maybe ?) , stop women walking on the street and ask them “Are You a gentile ?” if the answer is positive proceed to the next question: “Are you married to a Jew?” if so register her to the next free seminar.
Rav Eidensohn, shkoyech for taking a stand against EJF. I just read the exchange you had with the latest Tropper troll, 613mitzvot or whatever misnomer he is calling himself. You were very to the point and did not get tripped up by the Tropper troll who gave every ounce he had to try to stump you.
If Tropper is fooling anyone, they are not in Lakewood except for maybe some robotic follower types who once learned in Philly or Staten Island. Anyone who I associate with is suspicious of Tropper, who they describe as sleazy, and of his rosh yeshiva backers who are on the take of Kaplan's million$$$.
Lakewooder, it's even worse than you think when you mention "his rosh yeshiva backers who are on the take of Kaplan's million$$$" from Emails sent two years ago between Tropper and his former talmid Guma who is now suing him, and that's why there is now a flurry of activity in the Tropper camp as they panic so they have to get a new "haskoma" from Rav Reuven Feinstein when it's proven he holds farkert, make up declarations that Rav Yosef now gave them one when ther is nothing in writing, write online that Rav Bransdorfer's z"l signature was forged, lie that the BADATS was tricked and never meant what they said, that Rav Shterbuch is being sosre himself and is confused, get involved with kiruv organizations that has nothing to do with EJF's conversions agenda, even have a free chol hamoed concert in Tropper's yeshiva and invite the neighborhood to treif Carlebach music that Tropper loves sung by the chief singer from the Carlebach shull in Manhattan, post more crazy stuff under new troll names, just general panic on their side from desperate people.
"The following are the 36 rabbis Rabbi Tropper reviewed - most of them with you. The ones in bold have not ever received checks from us. All the rabbis that I didn't note their place of origin are from Israel… I will catch up with the other lists tomorrow."
The email was sent from Mrs. Shain's Horizon's address to Aguiar's address with a cc to Rabbi Leib Tropper.
Subj: 36 names Date 12/10/2007
The following are the 36 rabbis Rabbi tropper reviewed - most of them with you. The ones in bold have not ever received checks from us. All the rabbis that I didn't note their place of origin are from israel.
I have tendinitis on my right hand. I will catch up with the other lists tomorrow.
Mrs. Shain.
1)Rav Yehuda Addas 2)Rav Shaul Alter 3)Rav Shmuel Auerbach 4)Rav Shalom Cohen 5)Rav Yosef Shalom Elyashiv 6)Erloy Rebbe - Rav Yochanan Sofer 7)Rav Boruch Ezrachi 8)Rav Dovid Feinstein - US 9)Rav Shmuel Kaminetzky - US 10)Rav Chaim Kanievsky 11)Rav Nissim Karelitz 12)Rav Boruch Dov Povarsky 13)Rav Shmuel Deutsch 14)Rav Aaron Schechter - US 15)Rav Chaim Pinchas Scheinberg 16)Rav Moshe Shapiro 17)Rav Yitzchok Scheiner 18)Rav Chaim Stein - US 19)Rav Aron Leib Steinman 20)Rav Moshe Tzadka 21)Rav Mendel Weinbach 22)Rav Nota Schiller 23)Rav Shmuel Wosner 24)Rav Ovadiah Yosef 25)Rav Eliyahu Levine - US 26)Rav Elya B Wachtfogel - US 27)Rav Reuven Feinstein - US 28)Rav Reuven Meir Katz - Israel 29)Rav Shmuel Eliezer Stern - Israel 30)Rav Meir Hershkowitz 31)Rav Naftaly Kaplan - Israel 32)Rav Schreiber - Israel 34)Rav M Marcus - US 35)Rav C Solomon - US 36)Rav M Y Lefkowitz
The email from Mrs. Shain listing 36 rabbis. Email addresses are blurred to protect privacy.
Regarding the list, Aguiar says, "I didn't know these particular rabbis. He [Rabbi Tropper] did, or he said he did. The fraud committed by Tropper is currently being investigated by authorities in the United States." Aguiar is referring to Rabbi Tropper's part in a multi-billion dollar law-suit in which Aguiar faces off with several parties including his uncle and aunt Thomas S. Kaplan and Daphne Recanati Kaplan. Rabbi Tropper is scheduled to be deposed in that trial later this month.
Before Aguiar began to suspect that his donations were not reaching the designated beneficiaries, Aguiar continued to work with Rabbi Tropper to widen the scope of beneficiaries to rabbis from other camps. Aguiar says that Rabbi Tropper claimed to consult with rabbis from a more diverse portfolio of factions affiliated with Torah Judaism."
I wonder why community and keiruv rabbis would give Tropper access to their community. We all heard about Tropper wrecking havoc in places like Lexington and San Francisco where Tropper involvement with community caused people who were already mekareved to leave Yiddiskeit altogether.
R' Yudel Shain has erased the posting with the phony anti-Bomzer letter passed off to him by Tropper agents. While there were comments pointing out that it was a forgery, Roni / Tropper / Haemet vandalized the comment section with so many entries, he drowned everyone else out.
Most of the Team Tropper posts, besides being illogical, were laced with menuvaldik insults against Rav Eidensohn. R' Yudel's regular readers protested that Team Tropper should not be able to use the blog as a platform to smear Tropper's opponents.
Tropper's selective amnesia of who learned by him is a familiar theme that is not limited to Barros.
Convicted and jailed child molester Rabbi Michael Ozair also is a Tropper musmach but Tropper denies it saying he was there but he wasn't really there.
Ozair’s Web site states that "his rabbinical training was at Kol Yaacov Torah Center in Monsey, N.Y." However, administrators at Kol Yaacov tell a different story, saying he applied to the school and visited it in August 1997, but never enrolled.
"He said he wanted to try it out, so he popped in for a couple of hours a week for about six weeks, but he was never officially accepted as a student," said Rabbi Leib Tropper, the school’s educational director.)
Eternal Jewish Family, an organization that helps non-Jewish partners or spouses undergo what it describes as a universally accepted conversion to Judaism, plans to hold a seminar on the subject for interfaith couples next month in the Valley.
The seminar will take place May 13-15 at the Arizona Biltmore.
With intermarriage rates skyrocketing, a traditional resistance to converting intermarried spouses is counterproductive, said Rabbi Leib Tropper, who heads Eternal Jewish Family.
"It would be devastating if we ignored them," Tropper said, adding that Maimonides' teachings on the subject almost prophetically address modern issues of intermarriage and conversion.
"According to Jewish law before Maimonides, there was a suggestion in the Talmud not to make conversions for the sake of marriage," Tropper said, "but Maimonides said it's better, without compromising the standards of conversion, to try to get the non-Jewish spouse to convert."
But isn't converting for the sake of marriage considered a bad reason to convert?
"It's not a problem that somebody undertakes study for conversion because they want to get married," said Rabbi David Rebibo, president of the Orthodox Rabbinical Council of Greater Phoenix. However, he added, it's hoped that through study, the non-Jewish partner will learn that the decision is about the religion they are embracing.
Reform Rabbi Andrew Straus of Temple Emanuel of Tempe agreed, saying ... he had not heard of Eternal Jewish Family before but added that the emergence of the group marks what he called a "crack in the door" among Orthodox religious officials.
Tropper said ... there are still shades of interpretation. "You'll never get 100 percent consensus, but the shades are all of the same color, not shades of purple, green and yellow."
Ken and Lucia Schnitzer of Phoenix, one of eight Valley families who have been helped by Eternal Jewish Family
said Lucia. "If my daughter wants to marry a kohen, there isn't going to be any question."
So if Lucia Schnitzer is the one being megayer, let's hope she is not referring to any already born daughters that also need to be megayer.
At least so far, Tropper has not been going around in the name of R' Moishe & Rav Elyashev that a giyores may marry a Kohen because she is only a sofek as to having been mezaneh.
...Ken and Lucia Schnitzer of Phoenix, one of eight Valley families who have been helped by Eternal Jewish Family....
...So much so that Lucia will speak on "Becoming Part of a Jewish Community - Firsthand Experience" at the seminar, and Ken sits on the national board of Eternal Jewish Family. They both represent the group in Phoenix and work with intermarried couples seeking conversion here...
The article mentions Ken and Lucia Schnitzer, Ken is on the board of EJF. Googling "Ken and Lucia Schnitzer" shows that they opened a market “Luci's Healthy Marketplace” which is opend on Saturdays and serves non-kosher food.
Are they some of Tropper’s dropped-outs ? did Tropper give them heter ? is it what Tropper means when he talks on higher standards ? did he revoke her conversion ? or thse couples is not Modern orthodox so the conversion was not rebvoked.
I was just trying to ascertain if those Troppers are from the same mishpocho. Since the comments were deleted, does that mean they are not related? ============== Don't know but I fail to see the relevance or importance of the information.
The indictment claims Mahoney coached clients to say they feared being tortured in their home country because ... of their religion. Mahoney charged from $1,000 to $4,000 for each application.
Prosecutors told the court, "The threat of persecution in Eastern Europe based on sexual orientation and religion is real. By advising immigrants to falsely claim that they were gay or Jewish, [the Mahoneys] diminished the chance of those who genuinely seek asylum for those reasons."
Spiritual leader Ravi Shankar addressed the second Israeli presidential conference 2009 on Wednesday in Jerusalem.
Other panelists of the session were Isrraeli president Shimon Peres, founder for Wikipedia Jimmy Wales, counsellor of His Majesty Mohammed VI, King of Morocco Andre Azoulay, president of Cecilia Attias foundation for women Cecilia Attias, entrepreneur and philanthropist Guma Aguiar.
Shankar’s brand of yoga and meditation found great appeal amongst Israelis. Israel’s TV and Radio 2 stated, “No doubt the most colourful and interesting talk was by Ravi Shankar”.
Jerusalem "goodwill ambassador" Guma Aguiar was in New York last week to try to drum up a little investor interest in the Betar Jerusalem Soccer Club and the Hapoel Jerusalem Basketball Club, both of which he rescued from the brink of bankruptcy. While in the Big Apple Aguiar, his wife Jamie and their three young children met up with Kristen Dalton, the current Miss USA, who Aguiar's daughter Lilly was convinced was Cinderella come to life. Aguiar invited Dalton to visit both the Holy Land and the Holy City. Dalton said she'd love to visit with the Aguiars and all Israelis and enthused that she'd always wanted to see the beautiful Holy Land.
Jerusalem is gearing up for a serious rock 'n roll festival: Rockami. Rockami brings together some of the most loved Jewish bands of our time: Moshav Band, YOOD, Soul Farm, Piamenta and more, at Jerusalem's Kraft Stadium.
Crowds of thousands are expected, as Jews from around the country prepare for an unforgettable Jewish music celebration in the middle of the Sukkot holiday.
1978 Born in Rio de Janeiro, Brazil, to a Jewish family. 1981 Moves to the US where he is raised an evangelical Christian. 1999 Begins work, aged 21, as a clerk on the New York Mercantile Exchange. 2003 Co-founds Leor Energy LP, drilling for natural gas reserves in Texas. Leor eventually produces 240 million gross cubic feet of natural gas per day. 2004 Meets Rabbi Tovia Singer, the controversial leader of Outreach Judaism, an organisation that tries to “win back” Jews lost to the Christian faith. “I repented during that first conversation, and I returned immediately to my true heritage, the Jewish faith,” Aguair says. 2007 Sells Leor Energy to EnCana Corp for around £1.6 billion. 2009 Talks begin with Betar over buying the club, which is on the verge of bankruptcy. In July invests around £2.5 million. Last month invests just under £1 million as a sponsor of basketball team Hapoel Jerusalem
Good catch on the Arizona couple. I used to believe that Tropper converts are better than rabbi Bomzer converts, not anymore. In this case it is someone who is/was on their board. Nothing against the couple but Tropper has to stop claiming that his standards are higher.
Yes, Tropper does appear to be playing games as per Phoenix, where he is using weak standards but pretending to be the gold standard while blasting his peers who perform the same bogus conversions.
Similarly, there is a rav hamachshir in Brooklyn who came along one day claiming to be the be all end all in kashrus standards and badmouthing the competition. He was proven to be a fraud, but sadly, he still gets away with it as most people either do not know or don't care. He also has some rabbonim covering up for him.
"...Tropper does appear to be playing games as per Phoenix, where he is using weak standards but pretending to be the gold standard while blasting his peers who perform the same bogus conversions. "
There is a mashal in bereshis rabba 65, about why a particular non kosher animal is more disliked than the rest of the non-kosher animals.
Same person: ... I was just trying to ascertain if those Troppers are from the same mishpocho Daat Torah: Don't know but I fail to see the relevance or importance of the information
If Leib Tropper is related to this tropper and his LA yeshiva, the one which its tuition is 75% lower than other LA high schools.
CONFLICT OF INTEREST in EJF's own understandings between kiruv and geirus, see it in the official descripition in The Jewish Press of 2006, in bold below:
As reported this week on page 3, Israel's Chief Rabbinate has begun to formalize - through an agreement it entered into with the Rabbinical Council of America - its historic effort to tighten the process of conversions in the U.S. and throughout the world. The Jewish Press has also learned that the chief rabbis - in addition to addressing the immediate issue of RCA conversions - are working with a new organization, the Eternal Jewish Family, to develop and implement what would amount to a Gold Standard for conversions. EJF, funded by the Lillian Kaplan Foundation, is in the midst of a series of conferences around the world with the participation of the chief rabbis and other leading halachic and Torah personalities in an effort to establish standards that will lead to universally accepted conversions...
Clearly, the agreement addresses a central problem this page explored several weeks ago when it broke the story of the Chief Rabbinate's rejection of certain RCA conversions. No longer will ordination alone suffice, permitting rabbis who are untutored in the complexities of the conversion process to perform acceptable conversions at rates (often excessive) they deem appropriate.
In this connection, The Jewish Press has learned that the Chief Rabbinate has encouraged the Eternal Jewish Family to develop and operate a sophisticated universal registry with common reporting forms and to create a permanent network of expert batei din that will be devoted exclusively to conversions and that will charge nominal fees. Such batei din are already in the process of promulgating rules that sharply restrict the participation of kiruv (outreach) rabbis from serving as judges on conversion batei din in order to avoid conflicts of interest and to promote objective decision-making.
All things considered, there should be great optimism for what seems to be in the offing regarding so significant an issue as conversions. It is painfully apparent that for far too long there was scant supervision of Orthodox rabbis performing conversions in the United States. It is therefore altogether refreshing that an effort is underway by Israel's chief rabbis to protect the integrity of the Jewish bloodline and to create a process that will result in universally accepted conversions.
As we previously observed in this space, tightening standards is a good thing."
There is therefore a huge contradiction and obvious CONFLICT OF INTEREST now, as based on the words of The Jewish Press in 2006 closely expressing EJF policies regarding of "putting kiruv rabbis in their place" and now, with Rabbi Tropper's and EJF's about-face dragging EJF and his name DIRECTLY into the volcano of kiruv work where it is UNAVOIDABLE that the needs and modus operandi of kiruv rabbis will clash with the aims and objectives of batei din, as EJF breaks the spirit if not the law of this key clause, from The Jewish Press:
In this connection, The Jewish Press has learned that the Chief Rabbinate has encouraged the Eternal Jewish Family to develop and operate a sophisticated universal registry with common reporting forms and to create a permanent network of expert batei din that will be devoted exclusively to conversions and that will charge nominal fees. Such batei din are already in the process of promulgating rules that sharply restrict the participation of kiruv (outreach) rabbis from serving as judges on conversion batei din in order to avoid conflicts of interest and to promote objective decision-making."
So in effect, Rabbi Tropper is causing CHAOS by merging two dissonent organizational types, the geirus versus kiruv models.
While kiruv workers are trained to be kind and welcoming, that IS NOT THE ROLE or function of a dayan on a bais din for geirus who halachically must discourage and push away potential converts first.
But then again, EJF is a law unto itself and can do what it alone decides and in this case it is highly dangerous for Yiddishkeit because EJF functions as a proselytization organization as is well known so that it it is inevitable that EJF will force kiruv organizations to lower their standards and accept gentiles into conversion programs and push them into EJF batei din, which then creates the undeniable CONFLICT OF INTEREST between EJF and the kiruv organizations it is now courtiung and getting into alliances with.
This is dangerous juncture for those who join with EJF at this time. They open themselves up to the same kind of opposition, or worse, that EJF and Rabbi Troppper have faced for going against the normative approaches to kiruv that EJF seeks to undermine and usurp with its point blank proselytization aims and goals backed up by the huge resources of Tom Kaplan.
For 100 Jewish youths from the former Soviet Union, many of them students, Shabbos Bereishis was an opportunity to plant deeper roots in their commitment to Judaism. The occasion was a Shabbaton sponsored by the Russian American Jewish Experience (RAJE) of Gateways and Horizons/Eternal Jewish Family (EJF) at the Stamford Hilton in Stamford, Conn.
From the inspirational singing and dancing at Kabbolas Shabbos led by Avrumi Jorda, to the moving Havdalah by Rabbi Yisroel Cherns, it was an important Shabbos in the lives of the partcipants.
For RAJE, this was a key event in their ongoing programs for youngsters from the former Soviet Union. Every Sunday nearly 400 youth gather in Brooklyn for several hours of lectures and programming. The change in the youngsters, say the devoted mentors who are part of Gateways, “is nothing less than sensational.”
For Horizons/EJF this was the next chapter in an aggressive new partnership with kiruv organizations that in addition to Gateways includes Ohr Somayach, Arachim, Lev L’achim, Hidabroot, and Nefesh Yehudi. Similar seminars have been held in cities throughout Israel, in Baden, Austria and in Odessa, Ukraine. The program is part of an effort to assure that young people build strong Jewish ties - most importantly, by marrying Jewish.
The EJF/Horizons message was delivered by Menachem Lubinsky, who introduced the program, Rabbi Doron Kornbluth, author Why Marry Jewish, who painted a picture of how crucial it was to marry Jewish and Rabbi Leib Tropper, Rosh Yeshiva of Kol Yaakvov/Horizons and Chairman of the EJF Rabbinic Committee, who pleaded with the youth “not to abandon our ancient tradition and our Father in Heaven.”
In sessions, participants interacted with an impressive slate of world-renowned lecturers including Rabbi Jonathan Rietti, Rabbi Mordechai Suchard, Rabbi Mordechai Becher, and Rabbi Reuven Ibragimov.
“This historic partnership between Gateways and Horizons/EJF is destined to have a major impact in our efforts to stem the tide of assimilation,” said Rabbi Suchard, executive director of Gateways.
“We are delighted to partner with organizations like Gateways in helping them extend their important message of kiruv to assure Jewish continuity by encouraging the Jewish youth to marry Jewish,” said Rabbi Tropper.
Following the Shabbaton, the two organizations announced plans for many other similar programs in the future."
Concerning the Monsey Tzadik false comment made on October 27, 2009 concerning myself and my wife's conversion. This is a stupid comment made by an idiot who sits behind a computer who thinks they understand anything and is a Lashon Hara Monger. First my wife converted years before we were donating time working with EJF, before we were married and before our Daughter was born. The speech my wife gave was about the importance of a good conversion process and helping people in this the process of conversion. Because she was tudoring women going through conversion. My wife had a conversion issue before we were married and before my wife was pregnant as before we were married. There was a ruling made by Rav Elyashiv in the case of my wife's conversion and her original conversion was valid and our Daughter was born as a Jew 100 percent and she could marry a Cohen. So if you want to discuss it with Rav Elyashiv or the Beth Din you can be my guest if you think your that big. As far as our business being open on Shabbat. I have a non Jewish Partner that owns the business on Shabbat and the Holidays according to an eight page Halachic contract. But I am sure you would want to open a Kosher business in Phoenix, you know the central city of Torah Oberservant Jews and you would do very well. If you want, with your great Torah knowledge you can look at the Halachic Contract and discuss it with two Beth Din Rabbi's who approved it and the Rabbi who wrote it. We are Shomar Mitzvot Jews but you are not concerned about that. Not the first or the last to sell their business on Shabbat and the Holiday's when we are not there and make no profit from those days or the non kosher items. But enjoy your shopping at NonJewish stores that dont support the Jewish Community and who could care less about the Jewish People, some even open anti semites. If you want to discuss this contract in more detail don't hide behind a computer and speak Lashon Hara about your own people without knowledge. Just because you want to get Rabbi Tropper and you want to get other Jews. You are spending your time hurting people who have converted in the most sincere way and are more Jewish than you. People who don’t speak badly about other Jews because they can get away with it on a blog or pretend Hashem can't read and hear what you say. To question my Precious Wife is who a true Ger, has tutored and helped 8 women go went through Gerious, set up several Jewish Marriages, is raising our wonderful Jewish Children and fought Aggressive Breast Cancer you are a nothing of a person. She is great leader in the Jewish Community and we are blessed to have her as a Jew. No matter what you feel about Rabbi Tropper there were plenty of good people hurt by the situation and some of them the biggest in Torah and real Sincere People who converted using EJF. So do everyone a favor and shut your sick mouth about things you don’t know or understand. Because you’re not better than Rabbi Tropper you just think you are. His personal issues are just more public than yours. Your turning Jews off by your stupidity and your type of Jew hurting Jew ideas for the sake of yoru sick view of Torah. It is making Jews run away from Torah and their own people. It is called Judging others maybe you missed that in your deep studies of Torah and Hashem is not ok with it. You should be ashamed of yourself. If you said that comment about my wife’s conversion or my Jewish Daughter to my face you wouldn’t have the ability to open your mouth again. Because of idiots of like you thinking you’re the real true orthodox Jew we have our problems. Because of all of the fighting among the religious world on conversion and always trying to one up each other, the orthodox will eventually lose control of Conversion in Israel and Reform Conversions will be accepted as law by the Israeli Government. Some of us observant Jews won’t be surprised when that happens. Thanks for your stupid comments brother!
Is there some reason this has to be a scribd document? On my firefox browser on Ubuntu I can't put the document in fullscreen mode and I find the present side text almost unreadably tiny.
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ReplyDeleteIs there some reason this has to be a scribd document? On my firefox browser on Ubuntu I can't put the document in fullscreen mode and I find the present side text almost unreadably tiny.
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Sorry to hear about it. My other choice was to post the material directly which would mean it takes up the size of two postings - which is also problematic.
Why don't you try downloading the file and reading it as a pdf.
I would say that EJF first try in getting intermarried couples through direct marketing (ads, infomercials, PR, free retreats etc) failed, so now they try to fish for converts thought affiliates.
ReplyDeleteI suggest to Tropper amd Kaplam to try one-on-one marketing, set up a mitzvah tank and go to neighborhoods where intermarried couples live (Park Slop maybe ?) , stop women walking on the street and ask them “Are You a gentile ?” if the answer is positive proceed to the next question: “Are you married to a Jew?” if so register her to the next free seminar.
Rav Eidensohn, shkoyech for taking a stand against EJF. I just read the exchange you had with the latest Tropper troll, 613mitzvot or whatever misnomer he is calling himself. You were very to the point and did not get tripped up by the Tropper troll who gave every ounce he had to try to stump you.
ReplyDeleteIf Tropper is fooling anyone, they are not in Lakewood except for maybe some robotic follower types who once learned in Philly or Staten Island. Anyone who I associate with is suspicious of Tropper, who they describe as sleazy, and of his rosh yeshiva backers who are on the take of Kaplan's million$$$.
Lakewooder, it's even worse than you think when you mention "his rosh yeshiva backers who are on the take of Kaplan's million$$$" from Emails sent two years ago between Tropper and his former talmid Guma who is now suing him, and that's why there is now a flurry of activity in the Tropper camp as they panic so they have to get a new "haskoma" from Rav Reuven Feinstein when it's proven he holds farkert, make up declarations that Rav Yosef now gave them one when ther is nothing in writing, write online that Rav Bransdorfer's z"l signature was forged, lie that the BADATS was tricked and never meant what they said, that Rav Shterbuch is being sosre himself and is confused, get involved with kiruv organizations that has nothing to do with EJF's conversions agenda, even have a free chol hamoed concert in Tropper's yeshiva and invite the neighborhood to treif Carlebach music that Tropper loves sung by the chief singer from the Carlebach shull in Manhattan, post more crazy stuff under new troll names, just general panic on their side from desperate people.
ReplyDeleteJewish Billionaire Sues Prominent US Rabbi Arutz Sheva, 10/08/09: According to an email in Aguiar's inbox dated December 10, 2007 with the subject "36 names," Mrs. Shain, a secretary at Rabbi Tropper's Horizons organization, writes to Aguiar:
"The following are the 36 rabbis Rabbi Tropper reviewed - most of them with you. The ones in bold have not ever received checks from us. All the rabbis that I didn't note their place of origin are from Israel… I will catch up with the other lists tomorrow."
The email was sent from Mrs. Shain's Horizon's address to Aguiar's address with a cc to Rabbi Leib Tropper.
Subj: 36 names Date 12/10/2007
The following are the 36 rabbis Rabbi tropper reviewed - most of them with you. The ones in bold have not ever received checks from us. All the rabbis that I didn't note their place of origin are from israel.
I have tendinitis on my right hand. I will catch up with the other lists tomorrow.
Mrs. Shain.
1)Rav Yehuda Addas
2)Rav Shaul Alter
3)Rav Shmuel Auerbach
4)Rav Shalom Cohen
5)Rav Yosef Shalom Elyashiv
6)Erloy Rebbe - Rav Yochanan Sofer
7)Rav Boruch Ezrachi
8)Rav Dovid Feinstein - US
9)Rav Shmuel Kaminetzky - US
10)Rav Chaim Kanievsky
11)Rav Nissim Karelitz
12)Rav Boruch Dov Povarsky
13)Rav Shmuel Deutsch
14)Rav Aaron Schechter - US
15)Rav Chaim Pinchas Scheinberg
16)Rav Moshe Shapiro
17)Rav Yitzchok Scheiner
18)Rav Chaim Stein - US
19)Rav Aron Leib Steinman
20)Rav Moshe Tzadka
21)Rav Mendel Weinbach
22)Rav Nota Schiller
23)Rav Shmuel Wosner
24)Rav Ovadiah Yosef
25)Rav Eliyahu Levine - US
26)Rav Elya B Wachtfogel - US
27)Rav Reuven Feinstein - US
28)Rav Reuven Meir Katz - Israel
29)Rav Shmuel Eliezer Stern - Israel
30)Rav Meir Hershkowitz
31)Rav Naftaly Kaplan - Israel
32)Rav Schreiber - Israel
34)Rav M Marcus - US
35)Rav C Solomon - US
36)Rav M Y Lefkowitz
The email from Mrs. Shain listing 36 rabbis. Email addresses are blurred to protect privacy.
Regarding the list, Aguiar says, "I didn't know these particular rabbis. He [Rabbi Tropper] did, or he said he did. The fraud committed by Tropper is currently being investigated by authorities in the United States." Aguiar is referring to Rabbi Tropper's part in a multi-billion dollar law-suit in which Aguiar faces off with several parties including his uncle and aunt Thomas S. Kaplan and Daphne Recanati Kaplan. Rabbi Tropper is scheduled to be deposed in that trial later this month.
Before Aguiar began to suspect that his donations were not reaching the designated beneficiaries, Aguiar continued to work with Rabbi Tropper to widen the scope of beneficiaries to rabbis from other camps. Aguiar says that Rabbi Tropper claimed to consult with rabbis from a more diverse portfolio of factions affiliated with Torah Judaism."
I wonder why community and keiruv rabbis would give Tropper access to their community. We all heard about Tropper wrecking havoc in places like Lexington and San Francisco where Tropper involvement with community caused people who were already mekareved to leave Yiddiskeit altogether.
ReplyDeleteR' Yudel Shain has erased the posting with the phony anti-Bomzer letter passed off to him by Tropper agents. While there were comments pointing out that it was a forgery, Roni / Tropper / Haemet vandalized the comment section with so many entries, he drowned everyone else out.
ReplyDeleteMost of the Team Tropper posts, besides being illogical, were laced with menuvaldik insults against Rav Eidensohn. R' Yudel's regular readers protested that Team Tropper should not be able to use the blog as a platform to smear Tropper's opponents.
San Francisco?
ReplyDeleteI hope we don't hear that Tropper is also claiming besheim gedolim that it's ok to be mekarev people in "alternative" relationships.
http://www.jewishjournal.com/home/preview.php?id=9090
ReplyDeleteTropper's selective amnesia of who learned by him is a familiar theme that is not limited to Barros.
Convicted and jailed child molester Rabbi Michael Ozair also is a Tropper musmach but Tropper denies it saying he was there but he wasn't really there.
Ozair’s Web site states that "his rabbinical training was at Kol Yaacov Torah Center in Monsey, N.Y." However, administrators at Kol Yaacov tell a different story, saying he applied to the school and visited it in August 1997, but never enrolled.
"He said he wanted to try it out, so he popped in for a couple of hours a week for about six weeks, but he was never officially accepted as a student," said Rabbi Leib Tropper, the school’s educational director.)
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Phoenix, Arizona, April 20, 2007
Eternal Jewish Family, an organization that helps non-Jewish partners or spouses undergo what it describes as a universally accepted conversion to Judaism, plans to hold a seminar on the subject for interfaith couples next month in the Valley.
The seminar will take place May 13-15 at the Arizona Biltmore.
With intermarriage rates skyrocketing, a traditional resistance to converting intermarried spouses is counterproductive, said Rabbi Leib Tropper, who heads Eternal Jewish Family.
"It would be devastating if we ignored them," Tropper said, adding that Maimonides' teachings on the subject almost prophetically address modern issues of intermarriage and conversion.
"According to Jewish law before Maimonides, there was a suggestion in the Talmud not to make conversions for the sake of marriage," Tropper said, "but Maimonides said it's better, without compromising the standards of conversion, to try to get the non-Jewish spouse to convert."
But isn't converting for the sake of marriage considered a bad reason to convert?
"It's not a problem that somebody undertakes study for conversion because they want to get married," said Rabbi David Rebibo, president of the Orthodox Rabbinical Council of Greater Phoenix. However, he added, it's hoped that through study, the non-Jewish partner will learn that the decision is about the religion they are embracing.
Reform Rabbi Andrew Straus of Temple Emanuel of Tempe agreed, saying ... he had not heard of Eternal Jewish Family before but added that the emergence of the group marks what he called a "crack in the door" among Orthodox religious officials.
Tropper said ... there are still shades of interpretation. "You'll never get 100 percent consensus, but the shades are all of the same color, not shades of purple, green and yellow."
Ken and Lucia Schnitzer of Phoenix, one of eight Valley families who have been helped by Eternal Jewish Family
said Lucia. "If my daughter wants to marry a kohen, there isn't going to be any question."
So if Lucia Schnitzer is the one being megayer, let's hope she is not referring to any already born daughters that also need to be megayer.
ReplyDeleteAt least so far, Tropper has not been going around in the name of R' Moishe & Rav Elyashev that a giyores may marry a Kohen because she is only a sofek as to having been mezaneh.
...Ken and Lucia Schnitzer of Phoenix, one of eight Valley families who have been helped by Eternal Jewish Family....
ReplyDelete...So much so that Lucia will speak on "Becoming Part of a Jewish Community - Firsthand Experience" at the seminar, and Ken sits on the national board of Eternal Jewish Family. They both represent the group in Phoenix and work with intermarried couples seeking conversion here...
The article mentions Ken and Lucia Schnitzer, Ken is on the board of EJF. Googling "Ken and Lucia Schnitzer" shows that they opened a market “Luci's Healthy Marketplace” which is opend on Saturdays and serves non-kosher food.
Are they some of Tropper’s dropped-outs ? did Tropper give them heter ? is it what Tropper means when he talks on higher standards ? did he revoke her conversion ? or thse couples is not Modern orthodox so the conversion was not rebvoked.
I was just trying to ascertain if those Troppers are from the same mishpocho. Since the comments were deleted, does that mean they are not related?
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ReplyDeleteI was just trying to ascertain if those Troppers are from the same mishpocho. Since the comments were deleted, does that mean they are not related?
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Don't know but I fail to see the relevance or importance of the information.
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ReplyDeleteIn any case, someone fooling the INS / DHS that they are Jewish could blend in to a Jewish community.
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The indictment claims Mahoney coached clients to say they feared being tortured in their home country because ... of their religion. Mahoney charged from $1,000 to $4,000 for each application.
Prosecutors told the court, "The threat of persecution in Eastern Europe based on sexual orientation and religion is real. By advising immigrants to falsely claim that they were gay or Jewish, [the Mahoneys] diminished the chance of those who genuinely seek asylum for those reasons."
I thought he and his alter egos were going to jump all over Guma for associating with ovdei avoda zara.
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Spiritual leader Ravi Shankar addressed the second Israeli presidential conference 2009 on Wednesday in Jerusalem.
Other panelists of the session were Isrraeli president Shimon Peres, founder for Wikipedia Jimmy Wales, counsellor of His Majesty Mohammed VI, King of Morocco Andre Azoulay, president of Cecilia Attias foundation for women Cecilia Attias, entrepreneur and philanthropist Guma Aguiar.
Shankar’s brand of yoga and meditation found great appeal amongst Israelis. Israel’s TV and Radio 2 stated, “No doubt the most colourful and interesting talk was by Ravi Shankar”.
Tropper has an in with former models. Guma goes all the way for the current Miss America.
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Jerusalem "goodwill ambassador" Guma Aguiar was in New York last week to try to drum up a little investor interest in the Betar Jerusalem Soccer Club and the Hapoel Jerusalem Basketball Club, both of which he rescued from the brink of bankruptcy. While in the Big Apple Aguiar, his wife Jamie and their three young children met up with Kristen Dalton, the current Miss USA, who Aguiar's daughter Lilly was convinced was Cinderella come to life. Aguiar invited Dalton to visit both the Holy Land and the Holy City. Dalton said she'd love to visit with the Aguiars and all Israelis and enthused that she'd always wanted to see the beautiful Holy Land.
Tropper only had some nosh in his sukkah
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Jerusalem is gearing up for a serious rock 'n roll festival: Rockami. Rockami brings together some of the most loved Jewish bands of our time: Moshav Band, YOOD, Soul Farm, Piamenta and more, at Jerusalem's Kraft Stadium.
Crowds of thousands are expected, as Jews from around the country prepare for an unforgettable Jewish music celebration in the middle of the Sukkot holiday.
The concert is sponsored by Guma Aguiar
It's sad that the London Jewish Chronicle uses such anti-frum overtones.
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Aguiar in brief
1978 Born in Rio de Janeiro, Brazil, to a Jewish family.
1981 Moves to the US where he is raised an evangelical Christian.
1999 Begins work, aged 21, as a clerk on the New York Mercantile Exchange.
2003 Co-founds Leor Energy LP, drilling for natural gas reserves in Texas. Leor eventually produces 240 million gross cubic feet of natural gas per day.
2004 Meets Rabbi Tovia Singer, the controversial leader of Outreach Judaism, an organisation that tries to “win back” Jews lost to the Christian faith. “I repented during that first conversation, and I returned immediately to my true heritage, the Jewish faith,” Aguair says.
2007 Sells Leor Energy to EnCana Corp for around £1.6 billion.
2009 Talks begin with Betar over buying the club, which is on the verge of bankruptcy. In July invests around £2.5 million. Last month invests just under £1 million as a sponsor of basketball team Hapoel Jerusalem
It looks that Guma brings achdut to klal israel. He maybe tries to be mekaper for all the machlokos he enabled tropper to create.
ReplyDeleteTropper has an in with former models. Guma goes all the way for the current Miss America
ReplyDeleteNot fair, Guma did not divorce his wife for a prettier woman. (Yes, I know Tropper says that Rabbi Aiva said it is mutar (Gittin 89))
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ReplyDeleteGood catch on the Arizona couple. I used to believe that Tropper converts are better than rabbi Bomzer converts, not anymore. In this case it is someone who is/was on their board. Nothing against the couple but Tropper has to stop claiming that his standards are higher.
ReplyDeleteYes, Tropper does appear to be playing games as per Phoenix, where he is using weak standards but pretending to be the gold standard while blasting his peers who perform the same bogus conversions.
ReplyDeleteSimilarly, there is a rav hamachshir in Brooklyn who came along one day claiming to be the be all end all in kashrus standards and badmouthing the competition. He was proven to be a fraud, but sadly, he still gets away with it as most people either do not know or don't care. He also has some rabbonim covering up for him.
"...Tropper does appear to be playing games as per Phoenix, where he is using weak standards but pretending to be the gold standard while blasting his peers who perform the same bogus conversions. "
ReplyDeleteThere is a mashal in bereshis rabba 65, about why a particular non kosher animal is more disliked than the rest of the non-kosher animals.
It is because it pretend to be kosher !
http://www.sacred-texts.com/jud/tmm/tmm07.htm
Same person: ... I was just trying to ascertain if those Troppers are from the same mishpocho
ReplyDeleteDaat Torah: Don't know but I fail to see the relevance or importance of the information
If Leib Tropper is related to this tropper and his LA yeshiva, the one which its tuition is 75% lower than other LA high schools.
http://orthonomics.blogspot.com/2009/09/public-service-annoucement-affordable.html
It might be an indication that Kaplan/Tropper money is starting to corrupt other areas of the Jewish community.
It makes sense that Tropper's money will be used to fish for students just it was used to fish for converts.
CONFLICT OF INTEREST in EJF's own understandings between kiruv and geirus, see it in the official descripition in The Jewish Press of 2006, in bold below:
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An Emerging Gold Standard For Conversions (Jun 14 2006)
Editorial Board
Posted Jun 14 2006
As reported this week on page 3, Israel's Chief Rabbinate has begun to formalize - through an agreement it entered into with the Rabbinical Council of America - its historic effort to tighten the process of conversions in the U.S. and throughout the world. The Jewish Press has also learned that the chief rabbis - in addition to addressing the immediate issue of RCA conversions - are working with a new organization, the Eternal Jewish Family, to develop and implement what would amount to a Gold Standard for conversions. EJF, funded by the Lillian Kaplan Foundation, is in the midst of a series of conferences around the world with the participation of the chief rabbis and other leading halachic and Torah personalities in an effort to establish standards that will lead to universally accepted conversions...
Clearly, the agreement addresses a central problem this page explored several weeks ago when it broke the story of the Chief Rabbinate's rejection of certain RCA conversions. No longer will ordination alone suffice, permitting rabbis who are untutored in the complexities of the conversion process to perform acceptable conversions at rates (often excessive) they deem appropriate.
In this connection, The Jewish Press has learned that the Chief Rabbinate has encouraged the Eternal Jewish Family to develop and operate a sophisticated universal registry with common reporting forms and to create a permanent network of expert batei din that will be devoted exclusively to conversions and that will charge nominal fees. Such batei din are already in the process of promulgating rules that sharply restrict the participation of kiruv (outreach) rabbis from serving as judges on conversion batei din in order to avoid conflicts of interest and to promote objective decision-making.
All things considered, there should be great optimism for what seems to be in the offing regarding so significant an issue as conversions. It is painfully apparent that for far too long there was scant supervision of Orthodox rabbis performing conversions in the United States. It is therefore altogether refreshing that an effort is underway by Israel's chief rabbis to protect the integrity of the Jewish bloodline and to create a process that will result in universally accepted conversions.
As we previously observed in this space, tightening standards is a good thing."
There is therefore a huge contradiction and obvious CONFLICT OF INTEREST now, as based on the words of The Jewish Press in 2006 closely expressing EJF policies regarding of "putting kiruv rabbis in their place" and now, with Rabbi Tropper's and EJF's about-face dragging EJF and his name DIRECTLY into the volcano of kiruv work where it is UNAVOIDABLE that the needs and modus operandi of kiruv rabbis will clash with the aims and objectives of batei din, as EJF breaks the spirit if not the law of this key clause, from The Jewish Press:
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In this connection, The Jewish Press has learned that the Chief Rabbinate has encouraged the Eternal Jewish Family to develop and operate a sophisticated universal registry with common reporting forms and to create a permanent network of expert batei din that will be devoted exclusively to conversions and that will charge nominal fees. Such batei din are already in the process of promulgating rules that sharply restrict the participation of kiruv (outreach) rabbis from serving as judges on conversion batei din in order to avoid conflicts of interest and to promote objective decision-making."
So in effect, Rabbi Tropper is causing CHAOS by merging two dissonent organizational types, the geirus versus kiruv models.
While kiruv workers are trained to be kind and welcoming, that IS NOT THE ROLE or function of a dayan on a bais din for geirus who halachically must discourage and push away potential converts first.
But then again, EJF is a law unto itself and can do what it alone decides and in this case it is highly dangerous for Yiddishkeit because EJF functions as a proselytization organization as is well known so that it it is inevitable that EJF will force kiruv organizations to lower their standards and accept gentiles into conversion programs and push them into EJF batei din, which then creates the undeniable CONFLICT OF INTEREST between EJF and the kiruv organizations it is now courtiung and getting into alliances with.
This is dangerous juncture for those who join with EJF at this time. They open themselves up to the same kind of opposition, or worse, that EJF and Rabbi Troppper have faced for going against the normative approaches to kiruv that EJF seeks to undermine and usurp with its point blank proselytization aims and goals backed up by the huge resources of Tom Kaplan.
"kiruv organizations to lower their sctandards and accept gentiles into conversion programs"
ReplyDeleteI cannot understand this sentence.
Why would a kiruv organisation have conversion programs?
Or do you mean "accept gentiles into kiruv programs"
The same infomercial posted here, as it appeared in the Jewish Press has now been inserted by EJF into a few other Orthodox Jewish media, as noted in this post EJF's aggressive new relationship with kiruv (October 29, 2009) (Youth From Russia Enjoy Shabbaton In Connecticut (5 Towns Jewish Times, October 29, 2009) and now, with tiny edits, also in the latest:
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October 28, 2009:
Horizons/EJF and RAJE Work Together
by Elie Appleson.
For 100 Jewish youths from the former Soviet Union, many of them students, Shabbos Bereishis was an opportunity to plant deeper roots in their commitment to Judaism. The occasion was a Shabbaton sponsored by the Russian American Jewish Experience (RAJE) of Gateways and Horizons/Eternal Jewish Family (EJF) at the Stamford Hilton in Stamford, Conn.
From the inspirational singing and dancing at Kabbolas Shabbos led by Avrumi Jorda, to the moving Havdalah by Rabbi Yisroel Cherns, it was an important Shabbos in the lives of the partcipants.
For RAJE, this was a key event in their ongoing programs for youngsters from the former Soviet Union. Every Sunday nearly 400 youth gather in Brooklyn for several hours of lectures and programming. The change in the youngsters, say the devoted mentors who are part of Gateways, “is nothing less than sensational.”
For Horizons/EJF this was the next chapter in an aggressive new partnership with kiruv organizations that in addition to Gateways includes Ohr Somayach, Arachim, Lev L’achim, Hidabroot, and Nefesh Yehudi. Similar seminars have been held in cities throughout Israel, in Baden, Austria and in Odessa, Ukraine. The program is part of an effort to assure that young people build strong Jewish ties - most importantly, by marrying Jewish.
The EJF/Horizons message was delivered by Menachem Lubinsky, who introduced the program, Rabbi Doron Kornbluth, author Why Marry Jewish, who painted a picture of how crucial it was to marry Jewish and Rabbi Leib Tropper, Rosh Yeshiva of Kol Yaakvov/Horizons and Chairman of the EJF Rabbinic Committee, who pleaded with the youth “not to abandon our ancient tradition and our Father in Heaven.”
In sessions, participants interacted with an impressive slate of world-renowned lecturers including Rabbi Jonathan Rietti, Rabbi Mordechai Suchard, Rabbi Mordechai Becher, and Rabbi Reuven Ibragimov.
“This historic partnership between Gateways and Horizons/EJF is destined to have a major impact in our efforts to stem the tide of assimilation,” said Rabbi Suchard, executive director of Gateways.
“We are delighted to partner with organizations like Gateways in helping them extend their important message of kiruv to assure Jewish continuity by encouraging the Jewish youth to marry Jewish,” said Rabbi Tropper.
Following the Shabbaton, the two organizations announced plans for many other similar programs in the future."
Concerning the Monsey Tzadik false comment made on October 27, 2009 concerning myself and my wife's conversion. This is a stupid comment made by an idiot who sits behind a computer who thinks they understand anything and is a Lashon Hara Monger. First my wife converted years before we were donating time working with EJF, before we were married and before our Daughter was born. The speech my wife gave was about the importance of a good conversion process and helping people in this the process of conversion. Because she was tudoring women going through conversion. My wife had a conversion issue before we were married and before my wife was pregnant as before we were married. There was a ruling made by Rav Elyashiv in the case of my wife's conversion and her original conversion was valid and our Daughter was born as a Jew 100 percent and she could marry a Cohen. So if you want to discuss it with Rav Elyashiv or the Beth Din you can be my guest if you think your that big. As far as our business being open on Shabbat. I have a non Jewish Partner that owns the business on Shabbat and the Holidays according to an eight page Halachic contract. But I am sure you would want to open a Kosher business in Phoenix, you know the central city of Torah Oberservant Jews and you would do very well. If you want, with your great Torah knowledge you can look at the Halachic Contract and discuss it with two Beth Din Rabbi's who approved it and the Rabbi who wrote it. We are Shomar Mitzvot Jews but you are not concerned about that. Not the first or the last to sell their business on Shabbat and the Holiday's when we are not there and make no profit from those days or the non kosher items. But enjoy your shopping at NonJewish stores that dont support the Jewish Community and who could care less about the Jewish People, some even open anti semites. If you want to discuss this contract in more detail don't hide behind a computer and speak Lashon Hara about your own people without knowledge. Just because you want to get Rabbi Tropper and you want to get other Jews. You are spending your time hurting people who have converted in the most sincere way and are more Jewish than you. People who don’t speak badly about other Jews because they can get away with it on a blog or pretend Hashem can't read and hear what you say. To question my Precious Wife is who a true Ger, has tutored and helped 8 women go went through Gerious, set up several Jewish Marriages, is raising our wonderful Jewish Children and fought Aggressive Breast Cancer you are a nothing of a person. She is great leader in the Jewish Community and we are blessed to have her as a Jew. No matter what you feel about Rabbi Tropper there were plenty of good people hurt by the situation and some of them the biggest in Torah and real Sincere People who converted using EJF. So do everyone a favor and shut your sick mouth about things you don’t know or understand. Because you’re not better than Rabbi Tropper you just think you are. His personal issues are just more public than yours. Your turning Jews off by your stupidity and your type of Jew hurting Jew ideas for the sake of yoru sick view of Torah. It is making Jews run away from Torah and their own people. It is called Judging others maybe you missed that in your deep studies of Torah and Hashem is not ok with it. You should be ashamed of yourself. If you said that comment about my wife’s conversion or my Jewish Daughter to my face you wouldn’t have the ability to open your mouth again. Because of idiots of like you thinking you’re the real true orthodox Jew we have our problems. Because of all of the fighting among the religious world on conversion and always trying to one up each other, the orthodox will eventually lose control of Conversion in Israel and Reform Conversions will be accepted as law by the Israeli Government. Some of us observant Jews won’t be surprised when that happens. Thanks for your stupid comments brother!
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