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Speedy renaming and merging

If the category and desired change do not match one of the criteria mentioned in C2, do not list it here. Instead, list it in the main CFD section.

If you are in any doubt as to whether it qualifies, do not list it here.

Use the following format on a new line at the beginning of the list:

* [[:Category:old name]] to [[:Category:new name]] – Reason ~~~~

If the current name should be redirected rather than deleted, use:

* REDIRECT [[:Category:old name]] to [[:Category:new name]] – Reason ~~~~

To note that human action is required, e.g. updating a template that populates the category, use:

* NO BOTS [[:Category:old name]] to [[:Category:new name]] – Reason ~~~~

Remember to tag the category page with: {{subst:cfr-speedy|New name}}

A request may be completed if it is more than 48 hours old; that is, if the time stamp shown is earlier than 12:13, 4 August 2024 (UTC). Currently, there are 139 open requests (refresh).

Current requests

Please add new requests at the top of the list, preferably with a link to the parent category (in case of C2C) or relevant article (in case of C2D).

Category:Pushkinska Street, Odesa to Category:Italiiska Street, Odesa – Due to the name of the main article, Italiiska Street, Odesa}} Yuriy Kvach (talk) 15:57, 1 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The nominator moved the article today without any discussion (as they did with many other Ukrainian articles). This makes the category ineligible for speedy. Ymblanter (talk) 20:49, 1 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Indiana State Auditors to Category:Indiana state auditors – C2A: MOS:JOBTITLES WikiEditor50 (talk) 05:52, 30 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Category:State Auditors of Iowa to Category:State auditors of Iowa – C2A: MOS:JOBTITLES WikiEditor50 (talk) 05:46, 30 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- @WikiEditor50: this should be Category:Iowa auditors of state C2D per Iowa Auditor of State. Speedy processes can be used to kill two birds with one stone. Please check the others! – Fayenatic London 21:12, 31 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  That'd be fine. How do I change my suggested rename? WikiEditor50 (talk) 16:16, 1 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  If you can be bothered, strike through the current name, and state the replacement name. Or just change the target name on this page and the rationale, e.g. the next one below to Category:Kentucky auditors of public accounts C2D per Kentucky Auditor of Public Accounts. – Fayenatic London 20:02, 2 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Category:State Auditors of Kentucky to Category:State auditors of Kentucky – C2A: MOS:JOBTITLES WikiEditor50 (talk) 05:44, 30 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Please change this to Category:Kentucky auditors of public accounts instead, as per the main article Kentucky Auditor of Public Accounts (C2D) WikiEditor50 (talk) 11:24, 5 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Category:Louisiana State Auditors to Category:Louisiana state auditors – C2A: MOS:JOBTITLES WikiEditor50 (talk) 05:42, 30 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Category:Maine State Auditors to Category:Maine state auditors – C2A: MOS:JOBTITLES WikiEditor50 (talk) 05:41, 30 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Category:Michigan Auditors General to Category:Michigan auditors general – C2A: MOS:JOBTITLES WikiEditor50 (talk) 05:40, 30 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Category:State Auditors of Mississippi to Category:State auditors of Mississippi – C2A: MOS:JOBTITLES WikiEditor50 (talk) 05:36, 30 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Category:State Auditors of Missouri to Category:State auditors of Missouri – C2A: MOS:JOBTITLES WikiEditor50 (talk) 05:35, 30 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Category:Nebraska Auditors of Public Accounts to Category:Nebraska auditors of public accounts – C2A: MOS:JOBTITLES WikiEditor50 (talk) 05:33, 30 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Could this be changed to Category:Nebraska state auditors per C2D? Main page is Nebraska State Auditor WikiEditor50 (talk) 16:39, 1 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Category:North Dakota State Auditors to Category:North Dakota state auditors – C2A: MOS:JOBTITLES WikiEditor50 (talk) 05:11, 30 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Category:Pennsylvania Auditors General to Category:Pennsylvania auditors general – C2A: MOS:JOBTITLES WikiEditor50 (talk) 05:10, 30 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Category:State Auditors of North Carolina to Category:State auditors of North Carolina – C2A: MOS:JOBTITLES WikiEditor50 (talk) 05:08, 30 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Could this be changed to Category:North Carolina state auditors per C2D? Main page is North Carolina State Auditor. WikiEditor50 (talk) 16:36, 1 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Category:State Auditors of Minnesota to Category:State auditors of Minnesota – C2A: MOS:JOBTITLES WikiEditor50 (talk) 05:06, 30 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Could this be changed to Category:Minnesota state auditors per C2D? Main page is Minnesota State Auditor. WikiEditor50 (talk) 16:35, 1 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Category:State Auditors of Ohio to Category:State auditors of Ohio – C2A: MOS:JOBTITLES WikiEditor50 (talk) 05:04, 30 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Could this be changed to Category:Ohio state auditors per C2D? Main page is Ohio State Auditor. WikiEditor50 (talk) 16:34, 1 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Category:State Auditors of Oklahoma to Category:State auditors of Oklahoma – C2A: MOS:JOBTITLES WikiEditor50 (talk) 05:03, 30 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Category:Delaware State Auditors to Category:Delaware state auditors – C2A: MOS:JOBTITLES WikiEditor50 (talk) 04:58, 30 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Category:State Auditors of Colorado to Category:State auditors of Colorado – C2A: MOS:JOBTITLES WikiEditor50 (talk) 04:37, 30 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:State Controllers of California to Category:State controllers of California – C2A: MOS:JOBTITLES WikiEditor50 (talk) 04:35, 30 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
~~Could this be changed to Category:California state controllers per C2D? Main page is California State Auditor.~~ WikiEditor50 (talk) 16:32, 1 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- @WikiEditor50: I guess you mean changing to Category:California state auditors? Marcocapelle (talk) 07:30, 4 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  Sorry, made a mistake. The category should be Category:California state controllers per the main page California State Controller (C2D). WikiEditor50 (talk) 09:30, 5 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:State Auditors of Arkansas to Category:State auditors of Arkansas – C2A: MOS:JOBTITLES WikiEditor50 (talk) 04:34, 30 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Could this be changed to Category:Arkansas state auditors per C2D? Main page is Arkansas State Auditor. WikiEditor50 (talk) 16:31, 1 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Category:State Auditors of Alabama to Category:State auditors of Alabama – C2A: MOS:JOBTITLES WikiEditor50 (talk) 04:32, 30 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Category:Comptrollers General of South Carolina to Category:Comptrollers general of South Carolina – C2A: MOS:JOBTITLES WikiEditor50 (talk) 04:31, 30 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Could this be changed to Category:South Carolina comptrollers general per C2D? Main page is South Carolina Comptroller General. WikiEditor50 (talk) 16:29, 1 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Category:State Auditors of South Dakota to Category:State auditors of South Dakota – C2A: MOS:JOBTITLES WikiEditor50 (talk) 04:29, 30 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Category:State Auditors of Vermont to Category:State auditors of Vermont – C2A: MOS:JOBTITLES WikiEditor50 (talk) 04:27, 30 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Category:State Auditors of Wyoming to Category:State auditors of Wyoming – C2A: MOS:JOBTITLES WikiEditor50 (talk) 04:25, 30 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Could this be changed to Category:Wyoming state auditors per C2D? Main page is Wyoming State Auditor.WikiEditor50 (talk) 16:27, 1 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Opposed requests

Category:Worms (series) games to Category:Worms (series) – C2D. It didn't automatically add this one for me... QuantumFoam66 (talk) 05:44, 2 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Oppose – Correct me if I'm wrong, Marcocapelle, but I believe Marcocapelle's proposal in the first CfD was to keep Category:Worms (series) games at its current name so it remains in the correct video games category trees. This was misinterpreted by other users and then the second CfD proposal was not clear. This should go back to a full discussion because the CfD procedure was a bit of a mess. Mclay1 (talk) 15:24, 2 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  It also does not fit C2D or any other speedy criteria. Mclay1 (talk) 02:20, 4 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:World War II strategic bombing of Japan to Category:Air raids on Japan – Category follows main article name, also air raids encompass all. There is a sub-category already for just the bombings. Gryffindor (talk) 11:11, 24 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. What speedy criteria? This category follows Category:World War II strategic bombing. Gonnym (talk) 19:21, 24 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Category:Firebombings in Japan to Category:Bombing of Japan – Grammatically correct term, see also "Category:Bombing of Chongqing" or "Bombing of South-East Asia (1944–1945)" as format examples. Gryffindor (talk) 11:11, 24 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. No speedy criteria. Also parent is Category:Firebombings. Gonnym (talk) 19:22, 24 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- @Gryffindor: you may consider moving these two nominations to full discussion. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:18, 3 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:12th-century Scottish Roman Catholic clergy to Category:12th-century Scottish Roman Catholic priests – C2C: The norm is that XXXth-century FOOian Roman Catholic clergy should be named XXXth-century FOOian Roman Catholic priests. There was more recent movement on this, but I can only seem to dig up this older one Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2009_February_11 Mason (talk) 05:29, 24 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Smasongarrison: the discussion you referred to rather has a (weak) inclination against priests categories. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:26, 24 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Yep, I wanted to be transparent. Do you remember the more recent one that collapsed the priests and clergy category? Mason (talk) 21:43, 24 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Unfortunately I do not remember. But as bishops are still priests, I cannot see the need to have both a Priests and a Clergy category. And we do need Clergy as a parent of Bishops. The only exception is Deacons, who are clergy but not priests. But they occur in articles very exceptionally. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:20, 25 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  >I cannot see the need to have both a Priests and a Clergy category.
  
  I agree with you. This is literally the only FOO-century FOO Roman Catholic clergy category. You're welcome to nominate the entire bunch to be FOOian clergy, but leaving this one isolated is just annoying. Mason (talk) 19:40, 1 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Wikipedia formatting and function templates by subject area to Category:Wikipedia utility templates by subject area – C2C after Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2024_May_28#Category:Wikipedia_formatting_and_function_templates – Fayenatic London 19:53, 12 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Category:Association football formatting and function templates to Category:Association football utility templates
- Category:Astronomy formatting and function templates to Category:Astronomy utility templates
- Category:Solar System formatting and function templates to Category:Astronomy utility templates
- Category:Minor planet formatting and function templates to Category:Minor planet utility templates
- Category:Automotive formatting and function templates to Category:Automotive utility templates
- Category:Formula E formatting and function templates to Category:Formula E utility templates
- Category:Formula One formatting and function templates to Category:Formula One utility templates
- Category:Chemistry formatting and function templates to Category:Chemistry utility templates
- Category:Currency formatting and function templates to Category:Currency utility templates
- Category:Economics formatting and function templates to Category:Economics utility templates
- Category:Transport formatting and function templates to Category:Transport utility templates
- Category:Norway rail transport formatting and function templates to Category:Norway rail transport utility templates
- Category:Virginia state highway formatting and function templates to Category:Virginia state highway utility templates
  - I propose Category:Wikipedia formatting and function templates by subject area to Category:Wikipedia utility templates by topic, similar to subcategories of Wikipedia templates by task and topic. Side note: I really don't understand the meaning of the word "utility" here. Surely, all created templates are meant to have some utility? It sounds so generic, I wouldn't mind upmerging the whole tree of Wikipedia utility templates. —⁠andrybak (talk) 01:10, 14 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  I agree with Andrybak. Looked at a few at the minor planet category. Any link template should be under a sub-category of Category:Link templates. "Utility" is so generic that it is unhelpful, as is the previous "function templates". Probably best to check the contents of each category and see if they are all of a same type, find out which parent correctly fit that type and rename to match. Gonnym (talk) 07:30, 17 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Fayenatic london: if you agree with Category:Wikipedia utility templates by topic this discussion can probably be relisted for speedy. Or the discussion may be moved to full CfD to address the "utility" issue. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:30, 25 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

On hold pending other discussion

Category:Italy Cabinet templates to Category:Italy cabinet templates – C2C within Category:Cabinet templates. – Fayenatic London 13:38, 31 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Category:Kazakh Cabinet navigational boxes to Category:Kazakhstan cabinet navigational boxes – Reason – Fayenatic London 13:38, 31 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Category:Cabinets of Mexico templates to Category:Mexico cabinet templates – Reason – Fayenatic London 13:38, 31 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  - Hold these three pending possible change to "navigational boxes" per CFD Ju;y 31. – Fayenatic London 16:21, 31 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Prince Rui to Category:Prince Rui (瑞) – C2D & to distinguish from Category:Prince Rui (睿). Yinweiaiqing (talk) 17:11, 23 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Category:Prince Yi(怡) to Category:Prince Yi (怡) – C2D Yinweiaiqing (talk) 17:04, 23 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Put on hold the above two. I've sent the articles to RM as using non-English text in a title for disambiguation isn't helpful. Gonnym (talk) 19:30, 24 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Moved to full discussion

Category:Baseball people by Canadian province or territory to Category:Canadian baseball players by province or territory – C2C. Omnis Scientia (talk) 11:45, 24 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. That isn't the standard. Category:Sportspeople by Canadian province or territory and sport shows that it's "Canadian province or territory", which makes sense, as it's not a random province or territory but a Canadian one. Gonnym (talk) 19:18, 24 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Moved to full Cfd. Omnis Scientia (talk) 12:55, 25 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Category:Baseball people by prefecture in Japan to Category:Japanese baseball players by prefecture – C2A. Omnis Scientia (talk) 11:44, 24 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. This isn't a Japanese category. Gonnym (talk) 19:19, 24 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Gonnym, my bad, I tagged the wrong category! Fixed it. Omnis Scientia (talk) 22:52, 24 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Still oppose. This isn't C2A and it's consistent (and correct) with Category:Sportspeople from Japan by prefecture. Gonnym (talk) 06:12, 25 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Many recent precedents have changed that and its now supposed to be "Foo sportspeople by region". Nevertheless, I've moved it to full Cfd. Omnis Scientia (talk) 12:34, 25 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Current discussions

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WP:CFDC

August 6

NEW NOMINATIONS

Category:Fictional female sex workers

Propose merging Category:Fictional female sex workers to Category:Fictional sex workers

Nominator's rationale: Made by a disruptive user obsessed with making gender/occupation combinations, and it's not clear how this particular combination is defining in fiction at all. I think we're good with just the occupation. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 06:51, 6 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:United States Army Air Forces officer trainees

Propose merging Category:United States Army Air Forces officer trainees to Category:United States Army Air Forces personnel

Nominator's rationale: Non defining category. These are effectively people who didn't become officers Mason (talk) 18:20, 28 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep, they served in the Army Air Forces, but were neither officers nor enlisted. The recommended parent cat is essentially a container cat with subcats only. Semper Fi! FieldMarine (talk) 18:39, 28 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Please review what defining mean. @FieldMarine (It'll help you make better counter arguments). They may indeed be United States Army Air Forces officer trainees (a.k.a. neither officers nor enlisted), but that's not how these people are regularly described. Mason (talk) 19:02, 28 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

They cat description summarizes what the cat represents, and that is reflected in how they are described in the articles with the cat. There are many types of officer trainees depending on what program of entry they sign up for (ROTC, OCS, Aviation Cadet, etc.) but as a whole, the group is a distinct classification in the U.S. military. Of note, in the case of Aviation Cadet, they often held the rank for extended period of time, as did Midshipmen in the Navy. Semper Fi! FieldMarine (talk) 19:54, 28 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Merge, Template:Category diffuse does not intend to fully prohibit articles directly in the category. A few exceptions is ok. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:08, 29 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Breeds originating from Indigenous people

Propose renaming Category:Breeds originating from Indigenous people to Category:Mammal breeds originating from Indigenous people

Nominator's rationale: rename for clarification. Also, I have just added this to the tree of Category:Mammal breeds. An alternative could be to upmerge the category to Category:Mammal breeds and Category:Indigenous culture. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:40, 28 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Suggestion. What about Breeds/Mammal breeds domesticated by Indigenous people? The current name and the proposal both sound really awkward to me. Mason (talk) 19:03, 28 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Rename to Category:Mammal breeds domesticated by Indigenous peoples – "peoples" plural per the article title Indigenous peoples. Ham II (talk) 21:34, 28 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Agree with "peoples". Marcocapelle (talk) 06:15, 29 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Rename target?
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Category:Kevin Costner albums

Propose deleting Category:Kevin Costner albums (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Nominator's rationale: There has only been one item in this category for the last sixteen years. Overcategorization. Nicholas0 (talk) 12:02, 28 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep per MOS:ALBUM but rename to Category:Kevin Costner & Modern West albums per Kevin Costner & Modern West. Starcheerspeaksnewslostwars^{Talk to me} 22:22, 4 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Rename?
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Rename per Starcheerspeaksnewslostwars. Marcocapelle (talk) 04:25, 6 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Philippine Sports Commission

~~Propose deleting~~ Category:Philippine Sports Commission (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Nominator's rationale: Unneeded eponymous category that contains nothing apart from the main article. Paul_012 (talk) 04:04, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Update: In light of the population of the category since the nomination, I'm willing to withdraw my nomination (though it should continue as there has also been another delete !vote). --Paul_012 (talk) 12:11, 21 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose At the time of nominate, indeed the category contained only the eponymous article. I have since added applicable entries to the category. Hariboneagle927 (talk) 06:33, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Lean delete, I can't think of any other example of buildings and structures categorized by who maintains them. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:56, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Asian conservative liberals

Propose deleting Category:Asian conservative liberals (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Propose deleting Category:Conservative liberals (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Propose deleting Category:Liberal theorists (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Nominator's rationale: These categories are extremely vague. An extremely CFD on classically similar categories have been purged Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2023_June_3#Classical_liberals Mason (talk) 02:22, 28 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Then what about Category:European conservative liberals and subcategories? Marcocapelle (talk) 05:03, 28 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Multiple citizenship

Option A: rename Category:Multiple citizenship to Category:Multiple nationality.

OR: option B: rename Category:People with multiple nationality to Category:People with multiple citizenship.

Rationale: consistency. Until other arguments weigh in, option B is the preferred option per article title Multiple citizenship. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:51, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Battles of the Venetian–Genoese wars

Propose merging Category:Battles of the Venetian–Genoese wars to Category:Venetian–Genoese wars

Nominator's rationale: merge, redundant category layer with only one subcategory. Marcocapelle (talk) 11:17, 21 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose there are land battles for these conflicts as well, even if we don't yet have articles on them. E.g. the Siege of Acre (1257-1258) which launched the War of Saint Sabas, or the Siege of Alghero, or the Siege of Negroponte (1351), which was actually under the category propose for deletion until the nominator changed it to the inappropriate category on naval battles. Constantine ✍ 11:28, 21 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Upmerge per nom. We might even upmerge its subcategory Category:Naval battles of the Venetian–Genoese wars to Category:Venetian–Genoese wars as well. As this was a series of 4 separate wars rather than a single war, other parents such as Category:Battles by war arguably do not apply. NLeeuw (talk) 12:04, 21 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment 3 out of 4 wars in this series already have their own subcategories, in which those same battles are also grouped:

(first war) Category:War of Saint Sabas‎ (1 C, 10 P)

(second war) Category:War of Curzola‎ (1 C, 3 P)

(fourth war) (Category:War of Chioggia‎ (1 C, 3 P)

If we upmerge as proposed, then we'll have these battles grouped both in Category:Venetian–Genoese wars and in these 3 subcategories. Per WP:DIFFUSE, that's not very practical. Would it be worth upmerging those subcategories as well to avoid duplication? Aside from the battles and the main articles of the 1st, 2nd and 4th war, the only other contents are "People of the Xth war" subcategories, which we've also already covered in Category:People of the Venetian–Genoese wars. In short, there's a lot of duplication going on here. I'm not sure which solution I would find most elegant, but I'm considering this alt proposal:

Category:Venetian–Genoese wars: contains main articles Venetian–Genoese wars, War of Saint Sabas‎, War of Curzola‎, War of the Straits, War of Chioggia‎, and all other articles we can't diffuse;
- Category:Battles of the Venetian–Genoese wars: contains all battles including land, naval and siege battles. No subcategories by war.
- Category:People of the Venetian–Genoese wars: contains all people of all four wars. No subcategories by war.

Might this work better than the proposal of nom? NLeeuw (talk) 12:17, 21 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Happy to discuss further merges but shall we do that in a next nomination? We don't need a trainwreck. Marcocapelle (talk) 15:18, 21 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
True. I guess we could always rename the naval battles subcategory to just battles if we decide to go with my alt proposal. Your proposal is an okay first step. NLeeuw (talk) 16:19, 21 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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History of Great Britain by period

Propose deleting Category:Millennia in Great Britain
Propose deleting Category:1st millennium BC in Great Britain
Propose deleting Category:1st millennium in Great Britain
Propose deleting Category:2nd millennium in Great Britain
Propose deleting Category:3rd millennium in Great Britain
Propose deleting Category:Centuries in Great Britain
Propose deleting Category:1st century BC in Great Britain
Propose deleting Category:1st century in Great Britain
Propose deleting Category:2nd century in Great Britain
Propose deleting Category:3rd century in Great Britain
Propose deleting Category:4th century in Great Britain
Propose deleting Category:5th century in Great Britain
Propose deleting Category:6th century in Great Britain
Propose deleting Category:7th century in Great Britain
Propose deleting Category:8th century in Great Britain
Propose deleting Category:9th century in Great Britain
Propose deleting Category:10th century in Great Britain
Propose deleting Category:11th century in Great Britain
Propose deleting Category:12th century in Great Britain
Propose deleting Category:13th century in Great Britain
Propose deleting Category:14th century in Great Britain
Propose deleting Category:15th century in Great Britain
Propose deleting Category:16th century in Great Britain
Propose deleting Category:17th century in Great Britain
Propose deleting Category:18th century in Great Britain
Propose deleting Category:19th century in Great Britain
Propose deleting Category:20th century in Great Britain
Propose deleting Category:21st century in Great Britain

Nominator's rationale: delete, presumably the consequence of the deletion of Category:History of Great Britain in this earlier discussion is that its subcategories should also be deleted. I will follow up with decades and years later.

@Omnis Scientia, Ham II, Johnbod, Nederlandse Leeuw, and PearlyGigs: pinging participants to previous discussion. Marcocapelle (talk) 10:04, 21 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment Well, let's see how this tree works. Category:Centuries in the United Kingdom has child cats Category:19th century in the United Kingdom‎, Category:20th century in the United Kingdom‎, and Category:21st century in the United Kingdom‎. That means I support a Just delete for Category:19th century in Great Britain, Category:20th century in Great Britain, and Category:21st century in Great Britain as being entirely duplicative. But for the 18th century and earlier, I'll take another look first. NLeeuw (talk) 10:17, 21 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Category:Kingdom of Great Britain can largely replace Category:18th century in Great Britain; perhaps a merge? Before 1707, most by century categories are just redundant layers for Xth century in England, Scotland and Wales. An exception to this pattern are things like Category:11th-century churches in the United Kingdom and Category:16th-century architecture in the United Kingdom. Strictly speaking, there was no "United Kingdom" before 1707, so there were no events happening in a UK that didn't exist yet. But that's not really what the category is saying: it is saying that churches and other buildings preserved to this day, and located in what today is the UK, date from the 16th and 11th century, respectively. In that case, these building subcategories only vaguely say anything about events in the 16th and 11th century (namely, construction in century X of building Y), and more about buildings in the UK today that stem from that time. I don't know. I'm not very found of these "establishments" categories anyway, as they all too frequently lead to these sort of anachronisms, and we may well wonder how WP:DEFINING it all is. Thoughts?

More on topic, I think I am overall in favour of the proposal to delete these categories, unless merging is a better idea. NLeeuw (talk) 10:29, 21 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Hi, NLeeuw. Category:11th-century churches in the United Kingdom presents the sort of exception that epitomises the whole problem. First, it has only article, St Tugual's Chapel, which is on Herm in the Channel Islands. As far as I can tell, there is no other chronological category that could hold the article. Its other categories are Category:Herm and Category:Churches in the Channel Islands. I think we need to look at all articles in these GB/UK categories and decide if they need any kind of chronological categorisation. Personally, I think St Tugual's Chapel does not, because of its location. PearlyGigs (talk) 11:46, 21 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The Channel Islands aren't in the United Kingdom; they're Crown Dependencies. The chronological category for that chapel should be Category:11th-century churches, unless the date can be narrowed down to a decade or a year. Ham II (talk) 12:41, 21 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Heh, I had forgotten about the crown dependency status. Makes the categorisation even more awkward and silly. NLeeuw (talk) 16:20, 21 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Good points. Incidentally, its parent Category:11th-century architecture in the United Kingdom is a redundant layer, we might as well upmerge that right away. NLeeuw (talk) 11:59, 21 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
(edit conflict) Leaning Keep as these categories cover the island of Great Britain, and are analogous to the Category:History of Ireland tree for the island (not the Republic) of Ireland. This avoids the anachronism of using "United Kingdom" for centuries before the 19th. (The categories for centuries in the UK start at Category:19th century in the United Kingdom.) Category:History of Great Britain by period has subcategories for ancient, medieval and early modern history; that is less anachronistic than if they were in the United Kingdom category tree.

The problem with Category:History of Great Britain was the scope (the period 1707–1800, which made it indistinguishable from the scope of Category:Kingdom of Great Britain); in my opinion it should be recreated, with the scope being the history of the island. Ham II (talk) 10:35, 21 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not sure. I don't think re-creating the category will solve the underlying problem. The comparison with Category:History of Ireland is tempting, but I think the island of Ireland can much more easily be taken as a scope, as both the Republic and Northern Ireland are relatively recent phenomena that lead to few ambiguities for categorisation.

Perhaps we should first delete the 19th, 20th and 21st-century categories and go from there? NLeeuw (talk) 11:55, 21 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I agree we should immediately delete the 19th, 20th and 21st century ones which have no articles and only the requisite English, Scottish, and Welsh sub-categories. PearlyGigs (talk) 13:08, 21 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It would be rather artificial if a category tree for the island ended in the 18th century. Could there be a "United Kingdom > Great Britain > England, Scotland and Wales" (plus "Ireland (1801–1923)" and "Northern Ireland", as appropriate) structure for the 19th century onwards? Ham II (talk) 13:56, 21 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I'm inclined to delete all but I think we need to exercise caution by ensuring that all articles are satisfactorily categorised first. For example, Category:12th century in Great Britain has just one entry, Historia Regum Britanniae. That is a famous manuscript with a wide range of categories but we must ask if it needs one relating to its 12th-century British authorship. It is essentially an English work, despite its title, so should it go into just the Category:12th century in England tree, or also into those of Category:12th century in Scotland and Category:12th century in Wales? PearlyGigs (talk) 11:20, 21 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I'm inclined to say only Category:12th century in England, as place of production. I agree with you. NLeeuw (talk) 11:58, 21 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Essentially English?! See Historia Regum Britanniae § Sources – the only English one there is Bede; all the rest are Welsh or, in Gildas's case, a Celtic Briton more generally. The place of production is traditionally, but spuriously said to be at "Geoffrey's Window" in Monmouth Priory, Wales. Ham II (talk) 12:26, 21 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I missed that. Reading the "Contents" section of the article, the summaries of the twelve books seem focused on events in what became England, both Romano-British and Anglo-Saxon. Scotland and Wales seem to be other places as in "The Britons (in England) are immediately besieged by attacks from Picts, Scots and Danes"; and "The remaining Britons are driven into Wales". I agree with adding it to Category:12th century in Wales but I think we can exclude Scotland.

Actually, this does underline the need for caution when handling articles in GB/UK categories. Thanks, Ham II. PearlyGigs (talk) 13:04, 21 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Wait, the contents of the Historia should be irrelevant to categorising its place and time of production. Even if it had 23 entire chapters on Karakalpakstan in the 7th century, but was written in High Wycombe in the 12th century, it still went only into the Category:12th century in England, not Category:12th century in Uzbekistan (nor Category:7th century in Uzbekistan). NLeeuw (talk) 16:25, 21 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose The island of Great Britain has a distinct history, and we should be able to populate these categories. I suggest recreating Category:History of Great Britain. Dimadick (talk) 13:17, 21 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Notified: Wikipedia talk:WikiProject United Kingdom. Ham II (talk) 05:55, 30 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Neologisms by year

Propose deleting Category:Neologisms by year (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Nominator's rationale: ~~Kinda obsolete, "forgotten" category with a handful of entries.~~ (I tried to find Category:1992 neologisms there and surprized to find none.) Its entries should be included into category:Neologisms by decade. - Altenmann >talk 17:42, 29 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

You need to nominate the subcategories (as well). Marcocapelle (talk) 18:34, 29 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- I dont need to nominate them: they are valid. - Altenmann >talk 18:40, 29 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  - Then I misunderstood your intention. However if the subcategories are valid then so is the parent. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:25, 29 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    - Sorry, I was noit clear enough: this parent is redundant (and non-maintained (and-non-maintainable: there are, like, 2000 years, you know :-): they (and many more others) are in the corresponding categories category:Neologisms by decade, see, e.g., Category:2000s neologisms. It6 contains categories by all years: Category:2000 neologisms,... etc. - Altenmann >talk 21:59, 29 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
      - In principle it is not any different from all other "by year" categories that we have (and there are many of them). It does need to get populated though. Marcocapelle (talk) 22:22, 29 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
        It seems you are right; e.g., Category:1943 films etc. are both in Category:Films by year and in Category:Films by decade. Now, who is master of automated tools to do the job? - Altenmann >talk 00:49, 30 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose: Valid system of categorisation. Mclay1 (talk) 05:05, 4 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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I forgot to explicitly mention that I am withdrawing the nomination, convinced by the discussion, so it may be closed now. - Altenmann >talk 04:24, 6 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:20th-century Kenyan male singers

Propose merging Category:20th-century Kenyan male singers to Category:20th-century Kenyan singers
Propose merging Category:20th-century Kenyan women singers to Category:20th-century Kenyan singers

Nominator's rationale: Unnecessary diffusion of just 13 pages. QuietHere (talk | contributions) 06:42, 29 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete, per nom. If there were more on either end, it would make sense, but for just thirteen people it's unnecessary. ‍Relativity ⚡️ 15:02, 29 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - unnecessary is not a sufficient rationale. In any case the upmerges should also be to Category:Kenyan male singers and Category:Kenyan women singers respectively. Perspicax (talk) 16:04, 29 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Drag (entertainment)-related categories

Propose renaming Category:Drag (entertainment)-related documentary films (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Drag-related documentary films (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Propose renaming Category:Drag (entertainment)-related films (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Drag-related films (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Propose renaming Category:Drag (entertainment)-related lists (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Drag-related lists (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Propose renaming Category:Drag (entertainment)-related mass media (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Drag-related mass media (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Propose renaming Category:Drag (entertainment)-related musicals (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Drag-related musicals (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Propose renaming Category:Drag (entertainment) television shows (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Drag television shows (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Nominator's rationale: Not ambiguous as the others can't be related to mass media. Therefore remove the disambiguator ((entertainment)) from the category:Drag (entertainment) subcategories. --MikutoH ^talk! 22:42, 29 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose renaming Category:Drag (entertainment)-related lists. Any of the other uses of Drag could have related lists. Unure about the others. Mclay1 (talk) 05:14, 4 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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August 5

Category:Squares

Propose deleting Category:Squares (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Nominator's rationale: The category contains "games involving squares on the ground", either part-of or all-of the playing area. It does not seem to be a simple or common way to categorize of games. Walsh90210 (talk) 23:50, 5 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nom. Gjs238 (talk) 01:31, 6 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Did someone say TNT?Rockycape (talk) 01:32, 6 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Historic buildings and structures in the Czech Republic

Propose Deleting Category:Historic buildings and structures in the Czech Republic

Nominator's rationale: WP:NONDEFINING (WP:SUBJECTIVECAT)

We have plenty of objective categories for historic buildings in the the Category:Heritage registers tree. This category is different because the inclusion criteria is up to the individual editor which might be why this category hasn't been used much anyway. (I added some categories to the contents so no merge is needed.) - RevelationDirect (talk) 22:08, 5 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Background: We previously deleted similar subjective "historic" building categories here, here and here. - RevelationDirect (talk) 22:08, 5 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 23:06, 5 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Wikipedians who read settlers

Propose deleting Category:Wikipedians who read settlers (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Nominator's rationale: WP:USERCATNO - attempted {Db} but category isn't updating. Tule-hog (talk) 21:43, 5 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete, not a broad enough interest group, there is little maintenance needed beside article Settlers: The Mythology of the White Proletariat. If not deleted, rename to Category:Wikipedians interested in Settlers: The Mythology of the White Proletariat. Marcocapelle (talk) 23:12, 5 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Films directed by Paul Aaron

Propose renaming Category:Films directed by Paul Aaron to Category:Films directed by Paul Aaron (director)

Nominator's rationale: Paul Aaron lead to a different person until I've turned it into a dab page. Gonnym (talk) 19:43, 5 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

How does that false redirect, created in July, affect this category? The name is not ambiguous right now. — INS Pirat (talk) 19:51, 5 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The name is obviously ambiguous seeing as how the link was leading to a different person. Categories about a person always follow the article title of that person (WP:C2D), and since this does not have an article, it should follow a title which would fit an article if created. In cases like this it does not matter if this is the only director (again, see C2D). Gonnym (talk) 09:04, 6 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

If we were to create a stub article for the director, would that not be situated at Paul Aaron? If so, should probably leave it where it is. --wooden superman 10:02, 6 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Members of the National Abolition Hall of Fame

Propose deleting Category:Members of the National Abolition Hall of Fame (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Nominator's rationale: A non-defining honor. All of the articles are already in the appropriate abolitionist subcategories. User:Namiba 19:36, 5 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Psalm 45

Propose deleting Category:Psalm 45 (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Nominator's rationale: delete, only two articles in the category and they already link to each other directly. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:10, 5 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Helen Edmundson

Propose deleting Category:Helen Edmundson (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Nominator's rationale: Per WP:OCEPON, we should be using the "works by" tree. --wooden superman 15:44, 5 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 16:37, 5 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Dominican Republic slaves

Propose deleting Category:Dominican Republic slaves (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Nominator's rationale: Recently created 1-article category Gjs238 (talk) 15:05, 5 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep and populate. This is part of the Category:North American slaves tree.--User:Namiba 16:00, 5 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Merge for now, to the parent categories, without objection to recreate the category when more articles are available. Marcocapelle (talk) 16:42, 5 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Dominican Republic Maroons

Propose deleting Category:Dominican Republic Maroons (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Nominator's rationale: Recently created 1-article category Gjs238 (talk) 15:04, 5 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete for now, without objection to recreate the category when more articles are available. The current article is already in Category:Maroons (people). Marcocapelle (talk) 16:45, 5 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Spingarn Medal winners

Propose deleting Category:Spingarn Medal winners (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Nominator's rationale: Delete per WP:OCAWARD. I could be wrong but I've never heard of this award before so I'm doubtful about it being noteworthy. Omnis Scientia (talk) 12:42, 5 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 16:46, 5 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Book of Deuteronomy chapters

Propose deleting Category:Book of Deuteronomy chapters (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Nominator's rationale: Contains only redirects; articles are in Category:Book of Deuteronomy and are not organized by chapter. -- Beland (talk) 07:04, 5 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nom. There is one actual article here, Deuteronomy 22, this should be manually moved to Category:Book of Deuteronomy. Marcocapelle (talk) 16:47, 5 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Book of Leviticus chapters

Propose deleting Category:Book of Leviticus chapters (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Nominator's rationale: Contains only redirects; articles are in Category:Book of Leviticus and are not organized by chapter. -- Beland (talk) 06:49, 5 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nom. There are two actual articles here, these should be manually moved to Category:Book of Leviticus. Marcocapelle (talk) 16:49, 5 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Book of Exodus chapters

Propose deleting Category:Book of Exodus chapters (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Nominator's rationale: Contains only redirects; articles are in Category:Book of Exodus. Like many other Bible books, material on this book is not organized by chapter, but by story or topic. -- Beland (talk) 06:46, 5 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 16:50, 5 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Exodus 4

Propose deleting Category:Exodus 4 (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Nominator's rationale: Contains only one redirect; articles are in Category:Book of Exodus. -- Beland (talk) 06:44, 5 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 16:50, 5 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:American and Canadian soccer championship-winning seasons

Propose renaming Category:American and Canadian soccer championship-winning seasons to Category:American soccer championship-winning seasons

Nominator's rationale: There is now a separate category for Canadian competitions. RedBlueGreen93 04:32, 5 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Antisemitism in China

Propose deleting Category:Antisemitism in China (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Nominator's rationale: this category contains only three articles: a main article, a media, and an Internet celebrity, Not to mention that anti-Semitism in China has only appeared on the Internet in recent years. Coddlebean (talk) 04:14, 5 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

If not kept, the main article should be added to the parent categories Category:Antisemitism in Asia, Category:Jews and Judaism in China and Category:Racism in China. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:47, 5 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep as it remains a useful category for a growing phenomenon. There are still multiple articles that could be fall under this category. - Amigao (talk) 16:24, 5 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Book of Genesis chapters

Propose deleting Category:Book of Genesis chapters (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Nominator's rationale: There are no articles in this category, only redirects and a disambiguation page. Coverage of Genesis is not organized by chapter, it's divided by story or topic. Readers can find what they need in Category:Book of Genesis. Several other Bible books are the same way and will probably need similar cleanup. In some cases where all chapter articles were merged into a single article after cleanup, I've already deleted the empty categories. -- Beland (talk) 04:12, 5 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete, there are only redirects and a disambiguation page. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:49, 5 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

August 4

Conference of New England

Propose renaming Category:Commonwealth Coast Conference to Category:Conference of New England
Propose renaming Category:Commonwealth Coast Conference baseball‎ to Category:Conference of New England baseball‎
Propose renaming Category:Commonwealth Coast Conference men's basketball to Category:Conference of New England men's basketball
Propose renaming Category:Commonwealth Coast Conference women's basketball to Category:Conference of New England women's basketball
Propose renaming Category:Commonwealth Coast Conference schools to Category:Conference of New England schools
Propose renaming Category:Commonwealth Coast Conference men's soccer to Category:Conference of New England men's soccer
Propose renaming Category:Commonwealth Coast Conference softball to Category:Conference of New England softball
Propose renaming Category:Commonwealth Coast Conference teams to Category:Conference of New England teams

Nominator's rationale: This subject as been renamed from "Commonwealth Coast Conference" to the Conference of New England. Jweiss11 (talk) 21:39, 4 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Rename per nom. Omnis Scientia (talk) 12:43, 5 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Years in Saxony

Propose renaming and re-parenting Category:1852 establishments in the Kingdom of Saxony to Category:1852 establishments in Saxony
Propose renaming and re-parenting Category:1866 establishments in the Kingdom of Saxony to Category:1866 establishments in Saxony
Propose merging Category:1869 establishments in the Kingdom of Saxony to Category:1869 establishments in Saxony

Nominator's rationale: merge/rename, this small tree of three siblings duplicates/overlaps with the larger tree of Category:Years of the 19th century in Saxony. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:31, 4 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Years in Baden

Propose renaming and re-parenting Category:1848 in the Grand Duchy of Baden to Category:1848 in Baden
Propose merging Category:1849 in the Grand Duchy of Baden to Category:1849 in Baden
Propose renaming and re-parenting Category:1860 in the Grand Duchy of Baden to Category:1860 in Baden
Propose renaming and re-parenting Category:1872 in the Grand Duchy of Baden to Category:1872 in Baden

Nominator's rationale: merge/rename, this small tree of four subcats duplicates/overlaps with the larger tree of Category:Years of the 19th century in Baden. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:47, 4 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Disestablishments in Seychelles

Propose merging Category:1977 disestablishments in Seychelles (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:1977 disestablishments in Africa
Propose deleting Category:Disestablishments in Seychelles (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Propose deleting Category:Disestablishments in Seychelles by century (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Propose deleting Category:Disestablishments in Seychelles by decade (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Propose deleting Category:Disestablishments in Seychelles by year (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Propose deleting Category:20th-century disestablishments in Seychelles (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Propose deleting Category:1970s disestablishments in Seychelles (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Nominator's rationale: Another massive tree for a single article (in this case, Prime minister of Seychelles) which is unhelpful for navigation. Merge Category:1977 disestablishments in Seychelles to Category:1977 disestablishments in Africa and delete the rest of the tree. No objection to recreating individual categories when they can be appropriately populated. House Blaster (talk · he/they) 20:36, 4 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

ALT-1: Merge Category:1977 disestablishments in Seychelles to Category:20th-century disestablishments in Seychelles‎ and Category:1977 disestablishments in Africa

Keep Category:20th-century disestablishments in Seychelles‎, Category:Disestablishments in Seychelles by century‎ and Category:Disestablishments in Seychelles

The hierarchy merely needed populating. It now has 6 member articles – there were 3 on defunct airlines for a start. – Fayenatic London 23:26, 4 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Happy with that alternative. House Blaster (talk · he/they) 00:20, 5 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support ALT-1 per above discussion. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:52, 5 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Secretaries to the First Presidency (LDS Church)

Propose deleting Category:Secretaries to the First Presidency (LDS Church) (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Nominator's rationale: Delete per WP:TRIVIALCAT. There are three other staff positions for the first presidency but only this, the most junior, is categorized. Omnis Scientia (talk) 19:06, 4 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Private secretaries to Prince Andrew, Duke of York

Propose deleting Category:Private secretaries to Prince Andrew, Duke of York (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Nominator's rationale: Delete per WP:TRIVIALCAT. The Secretary to the Sovereign has an official title. These are personal hires. Omnis Scientia (talk) 18:41, 4 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Alt: merge with Category:Secretaries. Omnis Scientia (talk) 18:42, 4 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support alt merge, I see no reason for removing the articles from the tree. I think as a follow-up nomination Category:Secretaries needs to be split to Category:Private secretaries and Category:General secretaries, these are totally different. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:58, 5 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Marcocapelle, it is a bit of a mess, I agree. Omnis Scientia (talk) 12:47, 5 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Former subpostmasters

Propose deleting Category:Former subpostmasters (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Nominator's rationale: Overcategorization of just two people on a non-defining intersection of characteristics. Wikipedia does not use the category system to segregate people by their "former" vs. "current" status within the same occupation -- we would categorize former subpostmasters and current subpostmasters in the same place, not in separate categories for the question of whether they were still in that job right now or not -- but there is no Category:Subpostmasters to move these two people to, and with only two people here I can't justify moving this either. Bearcat (talk) 16:16, 4 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete, the two articles are already in Category:British postal officials. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:03, 5 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Religious leaders from the Roman Kingdom

Propose merging Category:Religious leaders from the Roman Kingdom to Category:People from the Roman Kingdom
Propose merging Category:Religious leaders from the Roman Republic to Category:People from the Roman Republic

Nominator's rationale: merge, redundant category layer with only one subcategory each. Marcocapelle (talk) 09:50, 27 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Early religion by century

Propose deleting Category:27th century BC in religion‎ (1 C)
Propose deleting Category:26th century BC in religion‎ (1 C)
Propose deleting Category:23rd century BC in religion‎ (1 C)
Propose deleting Category:18th century BC in religion‎ (1 C)
Propose deleting Category:19th century BC in religion‎ (1 C)
Propose deleting Category:16th century BC in religion‎ (1 C)
Propose deleting Category:15th century BC in religion‎ (1 C)

Nominator's rationale: delete, redundant category layer for this early period, the categories only contain a people subcategory. Marcocapelle (talk) 09:18, 27 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:History of the Khwarazmian Empire

Propose merging Category:History of the Khwarazmian Empire to Category:Khwarazmian Empire

Nominator's rationale: merge, redundant category layer with only one subcategory. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:49, 27 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Dutch people of the Eighty Years' War (Spanish Empire)

Propose renaming Category:Dutch people of the Eighty Years' War (Spanish Empire) to Category:???

Nominator's rationale: From the category description this is supposed to be for Dutch people who served the Spanish Empire during the Eight Years War. The current name doesn't convey that's the relationship.

I don't have a good rename suggestion, but I think the current version is confusing. Mason (talk) 22:40, 18 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Agree that it is a confusing title. Suggestion: ~~Category:Pro-Spanish Dutch people of the Eighty Years' War~~ or ~~Category:Pro-Spanish people from the Netherlands of the Eighty Years' War~~, the latter because the term "Dutch" may not include Frisian or Flemish people. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:41, 19 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

What is missing here is the fact that it concerns military personnel. It is not just about opinions but on which side people fight. So technically it should become Category:Military personnel from the Netherlands in the Spanish army during the Eighty Years' War. But this is incredibly long and it is also unlike any other category. So I start wondering if we shouldn't merge this category and its sibling to the parent categories. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:51, 21 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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@Smasongarrison: any further thoughts? Marcocapelle (talk) 14:06, 4 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I think your suggestion is an improvement, even if it is a mouthful. Mason (talk) 18:15, 4 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Racially motivated violence against Europeans

Propose renaming:

Category:Racially motivated violence against white Europeans to Category:Racially motivated violence against white people in Europe

Category:Racially motivated violence against black Europeans to Category:Racially motivated violence against black people in Europe

Nominator's rationale: The first of these categories formerly included violence against white colonialists in Asia or the Americas, which isn't really comparable to anti-white attacks in Europe. I felt that (following the example of Category:Racially motivated violence against white people in Africa that it was more appropriate to subcategorize by location of the attacks, rather than by the origin of the victims.

In addition, these categories already seems to be subcategories of Category:Racially motivated violence in Europe, strengthening the case that they ought to be subcategories by location. GCarty (talk) 07:35, 19 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support in spirit, but instead of white people/black people. It should be Category:Racially motivated violence in CONTINENT against people of African descent to make it clearer that the location and descent are easier to distinguish. Mason (talk) 14:36, 21 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Smasongarrison: then how would you rename the first category? Category:Racially motivated violence in Europe against people of European descent? That sounds a bit odd. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:13, 24 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
That would be the logic. I agree that it sounds odd, but hasn't the norm been to move away from White and Black people as names for categories? Mason (talk) 21:44, 24 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- I don't think that "black" and "white" need to be avoided in combination with "racially motivated violence". Marcocapelle (talk) 05:57, 25 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Rename per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:00, 25 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Racially motivated violence against white people in Africa

Propose deleting Category:Racially motivated violence against white people in Africa (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Nominator's rationale: Most of these articles are about anti-colonial or anti-settler violence. They cannot and should not be conflated with racially motivated violence in other contexts. User:Namiba 16:32, 19 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment, while this might be a reason to rename the category I can't see why we would delete the category on this ground. Marcocapelle (talk) 16:59, 19 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Because the category does not apply.--User:Namiba 12:07, 23 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It does apply as white people coincides here with settlers and their descendants. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:29, 23 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Calling it racially motivated violence is mostly unproven. They could also be electricians but we would not call it trade motivated violence.--User:Namiba 12:11, 24 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I do not agree. Many articles here are about white people in South Africa and Rhodesia/Zimbabwe. The connection with skin colour is pretty obvious. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:58, 24 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Not all violence against whites in southern Africa is racially motivated. Projecting that on to an event is very problematic.--User:Namiba 12:58, 4 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Armenian buildings in Azerbaijan

Propose deleting Category:Armenian buildings in Azerbaijan (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Nominator's rationale: delete per WP:NPOV, this resembles Category:Buildings and structures in the Republic of Artsakh that was just deleted. Note that three articles are in Category:Armenian Apostolic churches in Azerbaijan which is not a problematic category because it refers to denomination rather than to country/nationality. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:52, 19 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

~~Keep~~. I created this following Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2022_October_2#Architecture_by_country, where there was consensus to change from "Fooian architecture" to "Architecture in Foo"; the main focus of that discussion was whether to allow (and how to name) categories like this, where there were significant numbers of cases of diaspora architecture other than Colonial architecture. This one has a larger sibling Category:Armenian buildings in Turkey, and both of them have see-also links to/from each other and Category:Architecture in Armenia. Deleting it would be detrimental to the encyclopedia as Togh's Melikian Palace would be removed from Armenia-related architecture categories, although it would remain within Culture of Armenia. – Fayenatic London 13:21, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Note: the contents have nw been restructured into 2 subcats for churches and monasteries, with only the palace article held directly in the category. – Fayenatic London 07:56, 21 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Rename to Category:Armenian buildings and structures in Azerbaijan to include Armenian cemetery in Julfa. – Fayenatic London 07:56, 21 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

If kept, I support the rename per WP:C2C. After renaming, We Are Our Mountains may be moved from Category:Culture of Armenia to this category too. But I am still not sure whether the category should be kept because how would we objectively define a building to have a different nationality? Marcocapelle (talk) 08:05, 21 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Games by genre

Propose renaming Category:Games by genre to Category:Games by theme
Propose renaming Category:Board games by genre to Category:Board games by theme
Propose renaming Category:Role-playing games by genre to Category:Role-playing games by theme

Nominator's rationale: The categories for non-electronic games only consider "genres" as games by a certain topic and not by their mechanics or structure, unlike the video games by genre category. Perhaps we could rename all these categories to be analogous with the video game genres category. But we might need to rename "Games by type" to "Games by genre" in turn. QuantumFoam66 (talk) 20:11, 19 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Support renaming to Category:Board games by theme and Category:Role-playing games by theme. Perhaps Category:Games by genre should be renamed Category:Games by genre or theme so it encompasses non-electronic game themes, video game themes and video game genres? Mclay1 (talk) 11:36, 2 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Mythology of Perseus

Propose renaming Category:Mythology of Perseus to Category:Perseus

Nominator's rationale: Per the naming of other eponymous categories, such as Category:Heracles and Category:Jason. MClay1 (talk) 01:34, 27 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support Though this category is missing articles on Perseus' spouse, his children, the many characters killed by him, and his magical weapons. Dimadick (talk) 06:27, 27 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment, there is also Category:Mythology of Heracles. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:54, 27 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, though that is at least a subcategory of his eponymous category. It appears to be a way to diffuse all the miscellaneous mythology articles relating to Heracles. I don't know if that's necessary, but if it is, it's probably only neeeded for prominent characters that are likely to have many connected articles, and so I don't think it would be needed for Perseus. MClay1 (talk) 15:01, 27 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Cities in Kloto (prefecture)

Propose renaming Category:Cities in Kloto (prefecture) to Category:Kloto Prefecture

Nominator's rationale: I think we should rename and reparent this category because there's no Kloto Prefecture category. Mason (talk) 00:12, 27 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

oppose: We can create the category separately ; I just didn't place it in the required pages, but just in my creations, for example, Agomé-Yoh or Missahoé could be in Category:Cities in Kloto (prefecture), whilst Kamalo Falls or Agomé people could be in the larger category of Category:Kloto Prefecture. AgisdeSparte (talk) 07:07, 27 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Please populate the categories you make @AgisdeSparte. Mason (talk) 20:57, 2 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Just delete, the articles are already in Category:Populated places in Plateaux Region, Togo and we do not need categories for second-level administrative divisions per se. Marcocapelle (talk) 08:11, 27 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I'm fine with deletion for now. Mason (talk) 20:57, 2 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:NBC LX Home affiliates

Propose deleting Category:NBC LX Home affiliates (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Nominator's rationale: No longer available OTA but still streaming; these stations have/will start airing a new diginet, NBC American Crimes (no article yet) Mvcg66b3r (talk) 00:19, 17 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Kaguya-hime

Propose renaming Category:Kaguya-hime to Category:Works based on The Tale of the Bamboo Cutter

Nominator's rationale: All articles in the category are adaptations. Also the category title should use the current title of the main article. Mika1h (talk) 14:20, 17 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Video games about crime

Propose renaming Category:Video games about crime to Category:Crime video games

Nominator's rationale: This category is now a subcategory of Category:Video games by narrative genre. For the sake of consistency with other subcats in this category, it should be renamed with the subject up front instead of "Video games about...". This also makes it consistent with other medium subcategories listed at Category:Crime fiction (such as Category:Crime films and Category:Crime novels). AHI-3000 (talk) 00:17, 19 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment, we have not only Category:Crime fiction but also Category:Fiction about crime. Also Category:Works about crime. I am unsure what to think about it. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:23, 19 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Marcocapelle: I think there should be a discussion about the overlap between the "Crime fiction", "Fiction about crime", and "Works about crime" categories. I think that's kinda redundant, and we only really need one of those categories (I personally prefer "Crime fiction" as the title). AHI-3000 (talk) 20:20, 19 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment, if we rename to "Crime video games" we would have to only include games themed after crime fiction, and exclude games like Cyberpunk 2077, due to what the new title would imply. Its subcategories may also have to be moved, so just keep the original name. Also, please don't also rename "Organized crime video games." QuantumFoam66 (talk) 21:36, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Imperial Army (Holy Roman Empire) personnel

Propose merging Category:Imperial Army (Holy Roman Empire) personnel to Category:Military personnel of the Holy Roman Empire

Nominator's rationale: Overlapping categories Mason (talk) 23:35, 27 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support in principle but Category:Imperial Army (Holy Roman Empire) personnel is a much better descriptor than Category:Military personnel of the Holy Roman Empire. There are lots of articles in the latter category that are not about the Imperial Army. So I would rather propose a manual reverse merge. Marcocapelle (talk) 04:54, 28 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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@Smasongarrison: what do you think of the alternative? Marcocapelle (talk) 14:10, 4 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I don't have a strong opinion about the direction, so reverse merge is fine with me Mason (talk) 18:16, 4 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Games about extraterrestrial life

Propose deleting Category:Games about extraterrestrial life (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Nominator's rationale: Very redundant, unhelpful, and just pointless. firstly, we already have a separate category for video games, in which this category used to also contain video games, until I moved ALL the video games in the category, to its only subcategory "Video games about extraterrestrial life" which I have also removed from this category. So either we delete this category or just merge with "Extralif. in pop. culture". QuantumFoam66 (talk) 01:30, 26 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@QuantumFoam66: it is really unclear what you are trying to say. What have you exactly done (please use links in your explanation! and perhaps examples) and why do you think this category is redundant? Marcocapelle (talk) 05:44, 26 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I don't really get why you thought I was being unclear, but forget about it, I'm re-phrasing what I just said.

Games about extraterrestrial life is one of the 5 categories on Wikipedia that begin with "Games about". Deleting this one would put the other categories in jeopardy, however MetaZoo isn't a game primarily about Aliens. Leaving us with only 3 articles in this category. Warhammer 40,000, Eclipse Phase, and Incursion. These articles will most likely be moved to Category:Extraterrestrial life in popular culture if you really think that this is necessary.

Oh, and by the way I also nominated Category:Games by genre and 2 other categories for renaming. QuantumFoam66 (talk) 01:56, 27 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Being about aliens is indeed defining, so while the category is somewhat unpopulated, tabletop games are not the same as video games and there is no cogent reason to delete it. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 18:16, 27 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment, the only thing that intrigued me was the six languages that this category was available in, even though that is not a good reason to be concerned. I'm still the one who removed all the video games from the this category though. QuantumFoam66 (talk) 02:56, 29 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep there is a decent amount of board games, tabletop games, card games, pinball machines, and other games about extraterrestrials that warrant a separate category. (Oinkers42) (talk) 16:26, 29 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Thai anime-influenced Western animated television series

Propose deleting Category:Thai anime-influenced Western animated television series (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Nominator's rationale: Thai anime-influenced Western animated television series. What? Western animated television series, from Thailand and influenced by anime? Well, the two entries didn't mention Western whatsoever so it's an empty category. soetermans. ^{↑↑↓↓←→←→ B A TALK} 08:02, 26 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete Bro didn't even know Thailand wasn't even a part of the Western World. QuantumFoam66 (talk) 22:12, 26 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete, "Western" is very unusual to categorize by. Marcocapelle (talk) 15:14, 26 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment Yes, this is an empty category. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 16:41, 26 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Rename to Category:Thai anime-influenced animated television series. These are obviously a result of the creator copying the parent cat's title without looking. There are several others still, but the whole issue should have been addressed by upmerging the unnecessary parent layer and removing "Western" from all the categories in the tree. I'll see if I can build a proper nom. Also, User:Soetermans, please do not manually empty such categories as it confuses the CfD participants. --Paul_012 (talk) 16:22, 2 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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- I've re-removed the category from 4 Angies as it was inappropriately added anyway. I think My Daemon is the only legitimate topic that currently has an article. If the category is not going to be kept due to its size, it should be upmerged. --Paul_012 (talk) 09:26, 5 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Philippine anime-influenced Western animated television series

Propose deleting Category:Philippine anime-influenced Western animated television series (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Nominator's rationale: Empty category, two previous entries failed CATDEF - nothing 'Western' soetermans. ^{↑↑↓↓←→←→ B A TALK} 08:12, 26 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete, "Western" is very unusual to categorize by. Marcocapelle (talk) 15:14, 26 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment Another empty category. Consider tagging CSD C1 next time. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 16:42, 26 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- The category was manually emptied by the nominator. I'm not familiar with the former members to judge whether the removals were appropriate. If the category is un-emptied, rename to Category:Philippine anime-influenced animated television series, as an obvious naming mistake. --Paul_012 (talk) 17:56, 2 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

User:Soetermans, please do not empty out categories, especially if they are involved in a CFD discussion. It renders the discussion rather pointless. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 19:31, 2 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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American citrus farmers

Propose splitting Category:Citrus farmers from California to Category:American citrus farmers and Category:Farmers from California
Propose splitting Category:Citrus farmers from Florida to Category:American citrus farmers and Category:Farmers from Florida

Nominator's rationale: Merge per WP:NARROWCAT. Create new category for American-specific citrus farmers and add that to Category:American orchardists and Category:Citrus farmers. Omnis Scientia (talk) 15:48, 26 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Create new category and dual merge per nom. John H. Shary from Texas can also be moved to the new category. Marcocapelle (talk) 16:16, 26 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose A category with 29 members is hardly a "very narrow category with few members". I would not object to Category:American citrus farmers as a higher cat (looks like it would have 2 subcats and 1 other member), but if you upmerged to that cat each member would need 3 cats to replace 1 (the 2 you propose and Category:Citrus industry in California or Category:Citrus industry in Florida), so more category cluster.--Mhockey (talk) 16:04, 27 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Mhockey, I don't follow your objection exactly. This falls under the rules of WP:NARROWCAT. Other than Ranchers (21 C), which are different from farmers who grow produce that they can be considered seperate, there aren't any other produce-specific farmers by state categories other than these two. Omnis Scientia (talk) 16:52, 27 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
On what basis would you say that the cats fail WP:NARROWCAT? Parent categories too small for diffusion to be an option? Similar intersections cannot be made for related categories? Why under the rules of WP:NARROWCAT do you think that Ranchers should be split by state but not citrus farmers or any other specialist farmers (e.g. viticulturalists)? Citrus farmers exist in only a small number of states, but the test is whether similar intersections can be made for related categories, not the number of related categories that could be made. Mhockey (talk) 21:16, 27 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Marcocapelle, does WP:NARROWCAT not apply here? Just asking if I'm getting it wrong.

@Mhockey, IMO, because those are too small to justify diffusing categories, IMO. Ranchers have 21 state categories. Omnis Scientia (talk) 18:21, 28 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The American category in total will not be so large that it requires diffusion. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:21, 29 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Marcocapelle, that was my understanding too. Thank you. :) Omnis Scientia (talk) 11:34, 30 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Former states and territories of Thuringia

Propose deleting Category:Duchy of Saxe-Altenburg‎ (1 C, 1 P)
Propose deleting Category:Duchy of Saxe-Meiningen‎ (1 C, 1 P)
Propose deleting Category:Principality of Anhalt-Dornburg‎ (1 C, 1 P)
Propose deleting Category:Saxe-Coburg and Gotha‎ (1 C, 2 P)
Propose deleting Category:Saxe-Weimar-Eisenach‎ (2 C, 1 P); move subCategory:Orders, decorations, and medals of Weimar to Category:Ernestine duchies
Propose deleting Category:Schwarzburg-Rudolstadt‎ (1 C, 1 P)
Propose deleting Category:Schwarzburg-Sondershausen‎ (1 C, 2 P)
Propose deleting Category:Principality of Reuss-Gera‎ (1 C, 1 P)
Propose deleting Category:Principality of Reuss-Greiz‎ (2 C, 1 P); move subCategory:Treaties of the Principality of Reuss-Greiz to Category:Imperial County of Reuss

Nominator's rationale: merge, redundant category layer with one or two history articles and a people subcategory each. I have purged articles about current populated places in Thuringia, as we have discussed multiple times that articles about current places do not belong in history categories. The main articles are already in the tree of Category:Former states and territories of Thuringia, the subcategories are already in Category:People from former German states in Thuringia so a merge is not needed. Marcocapelle (talk) 16:08, 26 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Nepalese martyrs

Propose merging Category:Nepalese martyrs to Category:Nepalese democracy activists

Nominator's rationale: merge, overlapping categories, "democracy activist" is more NPOV than "martyr". Marcocapelle (talk) 16:27, 26 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose. Martyrs are not the same as democracy activists. "Martyr" is a technical term here, and a posthumous award of sorts; the government officially designates certain people as martyrs after deliberation. So, NPOV is not an issue. — Usedtobecool ☎️ 17:19, 26 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:American farmers of Japanese descent

Propose splitting Category:American farmers of Japanese descent to Category:American people of Japanese descent and Category:American farmers

Nominator's rationale: Merge per WP:OCEGRS. Manually merge to appropriate categories in Category:American farmers. Omnis Scientia (talk) 17:49, 26 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Manually merge, as a trivial intersection. Marcocapelle (talk) 08:19, 27 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support merge per nom. Mason (talk) 03:30, 30 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep given the history of forced relocation and dispossession of farmland by Americans of Japanese descent, this is definitely not a trivial intersection. It has been covered in numerous sources: Working harder than ever: the last remaining Japanese American farmers The Guardian, [1] sunset.com, Preserving the Legacy of Japanese American Farms in Southern California The New York Times, The Next Generation: Young Japanese American Farmers Strive to Create Community, Honor Legacy Edible Seattle and so on.--User:Namiba 18:17, 30 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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This is obviously not an example of "this combination exists." There has been significant scholarly research done on the topic. For example, Farming the Home Place: A Japanese American Community in California, 1919-1982 By Valerie J. Matsumoto, Fear and Mistrust: The Relationship Among Japanese American Farmers, Organized Labor, and Future Generations by Michael Ishimoto and The Wealth of Japanese Tenant Farmers in California, 1909 by

Robert Higgs, Vol. 53, No. 2 (Apr., 1979), pp. 488-493. I hope @Omnis Scientia @Marcocapelle, and @Smasongarrison will reconsider their above comments given this evidence.--User:Namiba 14:59, 5 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Painters by theme

Propose renaming Category:Painters by theme to Category:UNKNOWN

Nominator's rationale: Johnbod suggested at a previous CFD that this one should also be renamed from "theme", perhaps to "Category:Painters by type of subject". Alternatively, Category:Painters by genre would match the linked category on Commons, and fit within Category:Artists by genre. – Fayenatic London 19:36, 26 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Either would be a big improvement - or "Category:Painters by subject" if that is preferred. I rather demur at using "genre" here, because the word is unfortunately ambiguous as it relates to art - genre painting is one particular genre/type of subject, whereas here we are covering a wide range of other genres. But maybe that horse has bolted. For those just joining, in art and art history, "death" and "love" are themes, the Lamentation of Christ is a subject (which has themes as well). Religious painting, or say altarpiece, is a type of subject, hence my suggesting that. Johnbod (talk) 22:11, 26 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Rename to Category:Painters by type of subject per above. Marcocapelle (talk) 08:18, 27 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Rename to Category:Painters by genre; this should be a subcategory of Category:Artists by genre. A genre is a type of subject, after all. I don't think it's a problem that genre painting is the name of one of the genres. Ham II (talk) 10:02, 27 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Businesspeople in real estate vs. real estate businesspeople

Option A

Propose renaming Category:American real estate businesspeople to Category:American businesspeople in real estate
Propose renaming Category:Australian real estate businesspeople to Category:Australian businesspeople in real estate
Propose renaming Category:Austrian real estate businesspeople to Category:Austrian businesspeople in real estate
Propose renaming Category:British real estate businesspeople to Category:British businesspeople in real estate
Propose renaming Category:Canadian real estate businesspeople to Category:Canadian businesspeople in real estate
Propose renaming Category:Chinese real estate businesspeople to Category:Chinese businesspeople in real estate
Propose renaming Category:Danish real estate businesspeople to Category:Danish businesspeople in real estate
Propose renaming Category:Indian real estate businesspeople to Category:Indian businesspeople in real estate
Propose renaming Category:Mexican real estate businesspeople to Category:Mexican businesspeople in real estate
Propose renaming Category:Nigerian real estate businesspeople to Category:Nigerian businesspeople in real estate
Propose renaming Category:Pakistani real estate businesspeople to Category:Pakistani businesspeople in real estate
Propose renaming Category:Romanian real estate businesspeople to Category:Romanian businesspeople in real estate
Propose renaming Category:Singaporean real estate businesspeople to Category:Singaporean businesspeople in real estate
Propose renaming Category:Taiwanese real estate businesspeople to Category:Taiwanese businesspeople in real estate
Propose renaming Category:Thai real estate businesspeople to Category:Thai businesspeople in real estate

OR Option B

Propose renaming Category:Colombian businesspeople in real estate to Category:Colombian real estate businesspeople
Propose renaming Category:Emirati businesspeople in real estate to Category:Emirati real estate businesspeople
Propose renaming Category:Filipino businesspeople in real estate to Category:Filipino real estate businesspeople
Propose renaming Category:German businesspeople in real estate to Category:German real estate businesspeople
Propose renaming Category:Irish businesspeople in real estate to Category:Irish real estate businesspeople
Propose renaming Category:Israeli businesspeople in real estate to Category:Israeli real estate businesspeople
Propose renaming Category:Italian businesspeople in real estate to Category:Italian real estate businesspeople
Propose renaming Category:Japanese businesspeople in real estate to Category:Japanese real estate businesspeople
Propose renaming Category:Kuwaiti businesspeople in real estate to Category:Kuwaiti real estate businesspeople
Propose renaming Category:Monegasque businesspeople in real estate to Category:Monegasque real estate businesspeople
Propose renaming Category:Norwegian businesspeople in real estate to Category:Norwegian real estate businesspeople
Propose renaming Category:Russian businesspeople in real estate to Category:Russian real estate businesspeople
Propose renaming Category:Ugandan businesspeople in real estate to Category:Ugandan real estate businesspeople

Nominator's rationale: Significant inconsistency problem in Category:Businesspeople in real estate by nationality, with about half of the subcategories using "Demonym real estate businesspeople" and the other half using "Demonym businesspeople in real estate". Obviously these should all be named the same way; given that the parent category is Category:Businesspeople in real estate rather than Category:Real estate businesspeople, it should probably be Option A, although I'm proposing both options for discussion to prevent this landing no-consensus if there are people who feel strongly that it should be the other way. (Nearly all aunts and uncles in the Category:Businesspeople by industry grandparent are in the "businesspeople in industry" format rather than the "industry businesspeople" format, for the record.) Bearcat (talk) 20:30, 26 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support Option A with exceptions – The category tree clearly should be consistent, and Option A is the best for consistency and it sounds better. However, it should be noted that real estate is an American term and not all English-speaking countries commonly use it. For example, Category:British real estate businesspeople has the subcategory Category:English businesspeople in property. Maybe Category:British real estate businesspeople (and perhaps similarly for other nationalities that don't use real estate, though I don't know which ones that would be) should move to Category:British businesspeople in property. MClay1 (talk) 02:11, 27 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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Category:Turn-based video games

Propose deleting Category:Turn-based video games (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Nominator's rationale: I recently removed the only article that was in this category (NOT the subcategories) "Farlanders" and to be honest, gameplay that is turn-based (progressing in turns) is not very defining. We didn't even include "Digital tabletop games in this category for that matter, but there are so many Chess simulators, Turn-based puzzles like Sokoban, Rogue, heck, even many point-and-click adventure games... It's too plain and basic to be defining, I guess. QuantumFoam66 (talk) 22:06, 26 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep IMO, it's defining for the video games within. Journalists commonly use "turn-based" without specifying a genre to describe gameplay systems, such as here and here, which was my basis for creating it, so I fail to see how it's not defining. Obviously though, if other people disagree I am fine with it getting deleted. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 22:26, 26 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Zxcvbnm: Can you provide examples of turn-based games that don't fit into the subcategories? If it's a common gameplay element, then I would say it probably is defining. But if pretty much all turn-baed games are strategy or role-playing games, this is a redundant category layer. (I would argue chess is a turn-based strategy game, and point-and-click adventures aren't really based on "turns".) Mclay1 (talk) 15:02, 3 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I'd say it's not redundant because it fits into the established category tree of Category:Video games by gameplay element, which is not "video games by gameplay element and genre". Turn-based is a gameplay element, strategy/tactics/role-playing is a genre. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 22:31, 4 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment – If it is deleted, it should be upmerged. Mclay1 (talk) 15:02, 3 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Qwerfjkl talk 11:24, 4 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

German Confederation (dis)establishments

Propose renaming

more establishments and disestablishments categories nominated

Nominator's rationale: rename, there was no unified German country until 1871. The German Confederation (1815-1866) was a loose connection of independent states which also included Austria and Bohemia. Per precedent in Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2024_July_21#German_Confederation. Marcocapelle (talk) 10:27, 4 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@PearlyGigs and Omnis Scientia: pinging contributors to previous discussion. Marcocapelle (talk) 10:28, 4 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Rename per nom and previous discussion. Omnis Scientia (talk) 13:23, 4 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Rename as above and as discussed on 21 July. Thanks for the ping. PearlyGigs (talk) 09:47, 5 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Fictional government lawyers

Propose deleting Category:Fictional government lawyers (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Nominator's rationale: If Category:Fictional public defenders‎ is merged, which it probably will be given how tiny it is, then this doesn't have anyone who is actually a government lawyer and is just plain misleading. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 06:38, 4 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Do judges and prosecutors not count as government lawyers? This category is supposed to mirror Category:Government lawyers. AHI-3000 (talk) 09:37, 4 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

There are non-lawyer judges, from a quick glance at the judge article, and non-government prosecutors. Things should not be categorized under parent categories they are not necessarily a part of, they should either be wholly a part of the parent category, or members should belong to both categories. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 21:15, 4 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Fictional public defenders

Propose merging Category:Fictional public defenders to Category:Fictional defense attorneys

Nominator's rationale: One article category, recently created. Not seeing the need for it, given that it has not been populated at all after 1.5 years and its parent category is already pretty small. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 06:36, 4 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:22, 4 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Guadeloupean disestablishment categories

Propose merging Category:2003 disestablishments in Guadeloupe (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:2003 disestablishments in France and Category:2003 disestablishments in North America
Propose deleting Category:Disestablishments in Guadeloupe by century (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Propose deleting Category:Disestablishments in Guadeloupe by decade (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Propose deleting Category:Disestablishments in Guadeloupe by millennium (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Propose deleting Category:Disestablishments in Guadeloupe by year (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Propose deleting Category:3rd-millennium disestablishments in Guadeloupe (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Propose deleting Category:21st-century disestablishments in Guadeloupe (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Propose deleting Category:2000s disestablishments in Guadeloupe (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Propose deleting Category:Disestablishments in Guadeloupe (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Nominator's rationale: Another massive (and that might be the understatement of the month) category tree for a single article (Saint Barthélemy) which is unhelpful for navigation. Merge Category:2003 disestablishments in Guadeloupe to Category:2003 disestablishments in France and Category:2003 disestablishments in North America, and delete the rest of the tree. No objection to recreating any of these categories when it can be appropriately populated. House Blaster (talk · he/they) 00:52, 4 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Just delete, in 2003 a referendum took place, nothing was disestablished. In 2007 St Bartholomy was established (not disestablished) as a separate polity. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:38, 4 August 2024 (UTC) Marcocapelle (talk) 06:33, 4 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Also fine with deletion. House Blaster (talk · he/they) 18:50, 4 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

August 3

Trust Territory of the Pacific Islands disestablishment categories

Propose merging Category:1979 disestablishments in the Trust Territory of the Pacific Islands (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:1979 disestablishments in Oceania and Category:1979 disestablishments in the United States
Propose deleting Category:1970s disestablishments in the Trust Territory of the Pacific Islands (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Propose deleting Category:Disestablishments in the Trust Territory of the Pacific Islands by year (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Propose deleting Category:Disestablishments in the Trust Territory of the Pacific Islands (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Nominator's rationale: Massive tree to categorize Congress of the Trust Territory of the Pacific Islands which is unhelpful for navigation. Merge Category:1979 disestablishments in the Trust Territory of the Pacific Islands to Category:1979 disestablishments in Oceania and Category:1979 disestablishments in the United States and delete the rest of the tree. House Blaster (talk · he/they) 23:50, 3 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:50, 4 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Zand military officers

Propose merging Category:Zand military officers to Category:Zand people by occupation

Nominator's rationale: Redundant category layer. upmerge from now Mason (talk) 22:21, 3 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Dual merge, also to Category:Military history of the Zand dynasty. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:52, 4 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Romani anarchists

Propose splitting Category:Romani anarchists to Category:Anarchists and Category:Romani activists

Nominator's rationale: Dual merge. Non-defining intersection per EGRS. There is no other ethnicity category for Anarchists Mason (talk) 21:02, 3 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose split. There have been scholarly works written about Romani anarchists and the intersection between being a Romani person and an anarchist (e.g. Sierra & Pro 2022), including about the ones categorised here. It has definitely been a defining characteristic: Mariano Vázquez was subject to anti-Romani sentiment because of his status as a leading anarchist in the civil war; Helios Gómez depicted life as a Romani anarchist in his historical fiction novels, at a time when he was persecuted by the Francoist dictatorship as both an anarchist and a Roma person. --Grnrchst (talk) 21:36, 3 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
FYI. It's not a split. It's a merge. Mason (talk) 22:22, 3 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Ok. I still oppose it. --Grnrchst (talk) 10:10, 4 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Single merge to Category:Romani anarchists per WP:EGRS. The second merge target is unnecessary, the articles are already in the tree of Category:Anarchists. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:27, 3 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Romani flamenco dancers

Propose splitting Category:Romani flamenco dancers to Category:Romani dancers and Category:Flamenco dancers

Nominator's rationale: Dual merge. Non-defining intersection between kind of dancer and ethnicity per EGRS Mason (talk) 20:53, 3 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose split. Being able to distinguish between Romani people that dance flamenco and non-Roma Spanish people that dance flamenco is a very important categorisation to have. Flamenco was invented by Romani people, characteristic of Calé culture and then later subjected to cultural appropriation by the Spanish State under Franco; merging Romani flamenco dancers while not merging Spanish flamenco dancers would be quite problematic. --Grnrchst (talk) 21:43, 3 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Please review WP:EGRS. The issue is whether this category is defining at the intersection of Flamenco dancers and Category:Romani dancers . Your response doesn't address how this category is defining, and instead notes that helpful for distinguishing for specific nationality. Roma is not a nationality, it's an ethnicity. Mason (talk) 22:26, 3 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
From WP:EGRS: "Ethnicity example: An "(ethnicity) politicians" category should only be created if politicians of that ethnic background constitute a distinct and identifiable group with a specific cultural and political context." Flamenco dancers of a Romani background do constitute a distinct and identifiable group with a specific cultural and political context, as I have just outlined. --Grnrchst (talk) 10:13, 4 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Single merge to Category:Romani anarchists per WP:EGRS. The second merge target is unnecessary, the articles are already in Category:Spanish flamenco dancers. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:33, 3 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Dalit artists

Propose deleting Category:Dalit artists (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Nominator's rationale: Misconceived category that's trying to cross a bunch of different things into one wrong name. As always, "artists" categories on Wikipedia are for visual artists, but almost everybody here is a musician or an actor or a writer or a filmmaker. Only one person in the category is actually an artist in the correct sense of the term, which is not enough to keep it even if it were to be purged of bad entries. Bearcat (talk) 20:22, 3 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Should we merge it to Category:Dalit people? Marcocapelle (talk) 21:35, 3 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Disestablishments in Bavaria categories

Propose merging Category:1809 disestablishments in Bavaria (1) to Category:1809 disestablishments in Germany and Category:19th-century disestablishments in Bavaria
Propose merging Category:1846 disestablishments in Bavaria (1) to Category:1846 disestablishments in Germany and Category:19th-century disestablishments in Bavaria
Propose merging Category:1873 disestablishments in Bavaria (1) to Category:1873 disestablishments in Germany and Category:19th-century disestablishments in Bavaria
Propose deleting Category:Disestablishments in Bavaria by decade (3)
Propose deleting Category:Disestablishments in Bavaria by year (3)
Propose deleting Category:1800s disestablishments in Bavaria (1)
Propose deleting Category:1840s disestablishments in Bavaria (1)
Propose deleting Category:1870s disestablishments in Bavaria (1)

Nominator's rationale: Very large tree for 3 single-article categories is unhelpful for navigation. Merge the three articles to the appropriate disestablishments in Germany categories as well as Category:19th-century disestablishments in Bavaria and delete categories which will then be empty. House Blaster (talk · he/they) 19:17, 3 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:36, 3 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Early Austria disestablishment categories

Propose merging Category:1874 disestablishments in Austria‎ (1) to Category:1874 disestablishments in Austria-Hungary‎
Propose merging Category:1881 disestablishments in Austria (1) to Category:1881 disestablishments in Austria-Hungary
Propose merging Category:1884 disestablishments in Austria (1) to Category:1884 disestablishments in Austria-Hungary
Propose merging Category:1894 disestablishments in Austria (1) to Category:1894 disestablishments in Austria-Hungary
Propose merging Category:1903 disestablishments in Austria (1) to Category:1903 disestablishments in Austria-Hungary
Propose merging Category:1904 disestablishments in Austria (1) to Category:1904 disestablishments in Austria-Hungary
Propose merging Category:1914 disestablishments in Austria (1) to Category:1914 disestablishments in Austria-Hungary
Propose merging Category:1917 disestablishments in Austria (1) to Category:1917 disestablishments in Austria-Hungary
Propose deleting Category:1870s disestablishments in Austria‎ (1)
Propose deleting Category:1880s disestablishments in Austria (2)
Propose deleting Category:1890s disestablishments in Austria (1)
Propose deleting Category:1900s disestablishments in Austria (2)

Nominator's rationale: These are a bunch of very small categories which are unhelpful for navigation. In many cases, they are redundant layers. Merge to the appropriate Austria-Hungary categories and delete categories which will be empty after such merging. No objections to recreation when they can be appropriately populated. House Blaster (talk · he/they) 18:57, 3 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:37, 3 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

3-honeycombs

Propose deleting Category:Isochoric 3-honeycombs (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Propose deleting Category:Isogonal 3-honeycombs (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Nominator's rationale: Too similar and overlapping with Category:Regular 3-honeycombs. Previously contained mostly redirects. A Category:Uniform 3-honeycombs could contain most of the non-regular ones, but neither of these could be usefully populated. –LaundryPizza03 (d c̄) 16:52, 3 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:American provincial military personnel

Propose merging Category:American provincial military personnel to Category:American militiamen

Nominator's rationale: I created this cat, but I am on the fence for keeping it as a separate cat or merging with Category:American militiamen. Before trying to populate it further, I'm initiating this discussion to get additional opinions to determine if it should remain as a distinct category. Provincial troops in America, before gaining independence, were generally used in units raised by provincial governors and have differences as noted here. In some cases, provincial troops as loyalists would oppose militiamen during the American revolution. Should this remain a separate cat or merge with American militiamen? Semper fi! FieldMarine (talk) 14:13, 3 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:1889 in the Trucial States

Propose merging Category:1889 in the Trucial States to Category:History of the Trucial States and Category:1889 in Asia
Propose merging Category:1880s in the Trucial States to Category:History of the Trucial States and Category:1880s in Asia
Propose merging Category:1890s in the Trucial States to Category:History of the Trucial States and Category:1890s in Asia

Nominator's rationale: merge, isolated single-article categories. Marcocapelle (talk) 13:28, 3 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Family of Aaron

Propose merging Category:Family of Aaron to Category:Family of Moses

Nominator's rationale: There's a huge overlap between these categories. Since Aaron and Moses were brothers, they have the same family. Moses is the more prominent member so it makes sense for the category to be named after him. Mclay1 (talk) 13:28, 3 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Weak oppose, the category contains the wife and children of Aaron, so Aaron is the defining characteristic. Marcocapelle (talk) 13:33, 3 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Aaron's wife and children were also part of Moses's family, being his sister-in-law and nephews/nieces. We have many categories for families, which group a lot of distant relatives together, which is preferable to a load of overlapping categories of close relatives. If it's important to mention Aaron too, it could be renamed Category:Family of Aaron and Moses. Mclay1 (talk) 13:59, 3 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Rename to Category:Family of Aaron and Moses per Mclay1's suggestion. The high priests typically claimed descent from Aaron. Dimadick (talk) 18:09, 3 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

In that case, we should probably reverse merge since Category:Family of Aaron is older. Mclay1 (talk) 03:05, 4 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Family of Aaron and Moses is a good suggestion. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:54, 4 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Netflix television dramas

Propose deleting Category:Netflix television dramas (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Nominator's rationale: Seems like an WP:OVERLAPCAT with Category:Netflix original programming. 98𝚃𝙸𝙶𝙴𝚁𝙸𝚄𝚂 • [𝚃𝙰𝙻𝙺] 13:22, 3 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose – Category:Netflix television dramas is a subcat of Category:Netflix original programming. The parent cat contains a lot of articles that should be diffused to this category. If it is deleted, it should be upmerged. It's also a valid subcat of the fairly new category tree for Category:Drama television series by network. Mclay1 (talk) 13:36, 3 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I agree. Deleting this category would cause a lot of issues. And it doesn't overlap with Category:Netflix original programming, Historyday01 (talk) 15:24, 3 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Netflix in the first place is not television channel but rather an Over-the-top media service, that alone already fails the category title. Amazon Prime Video, Disney+, Hulu, Paramount+ and many others don't have that kind of category, so why make this special? And the user who created that cat just move like 1% of what was in Category:Netflix original programming. Also see this related CfD. 98𝚃𝙸𝙶𝙴𝚁𝙸𝚄𝚂 • [𝚃𝙰𝙻𝙺] 22:42, 3 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I don't think the difference between a streamer and a broadcast network is meaningful any more (in this context). If Netflix doesn't fit into the name of Category:Drama television series by network, then that category should be renamed. There's no reason those other streamers can't also have a similar category if they have enough content to justify it. Just because the user didn't finish populating the category, that's not a reason to delete it. And I don't think this is a trivial intersection compared to language. Mclay1 (talk) 03:09, 4 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Alright, I would agree with you to rename the category. 98𝚃𝙸𝙶𝙴𝚁𝙸𝚄𝚂 • [𝚃𝙰𝙻𝙺] 08:25, 4 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Histories of cities in North Korea

Propose merging Category:Histories of cities in North Korea to Category:Histories of cities in Asia and Category:History of North Korea

Nominator's rationale: merge, redundant category layer with only one subcategory. Marcocapelle (talk) 09:43, 3 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose Why would we merge this to a continent-wide category? This and Category:Histories of cities in South Korea could be merged to a Korea-wide category called Category:Histories of cities in Korea. Dimadick (talk) 13:42, 4 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Several other capitals are also directly in Category:Histories of cities in Asia, there is nothing wrong with that. "Korea" should mainly be used for pre-1953 history, not for human geography. Marcocapelle (talk) 14:18, 4 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Edo

Propose merging Category:Edo to Category:History of Tokyo

Nominator's rationale: rename, Edo is the former name of Tokyo, but we hardly ever categorize based on a name only. If not merged, rename to Category:Edo (former Tokyo) in order to avoid confusion with Category:Edo (ethnic group). Marcocapelle (talk) 09:01, 3 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose merge: It's a period in the history of Tokyo, and it makes more sense than naming a category "Medieval Tokyo" or something. We have categories for Category:Constantinople and Category:Ancient Byzantium. Rename to Category:Edo (city). Mclay1 (talk) 13:45, 3 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I am equally fine with Category:Edo (city). Marcocapelle (talk) 21:58, 3 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

No. Also oppose any new name, see main article, which should reflect each other. Gryffindor (talk) 17:58, 3 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

With categories sometimes an additional disambiguator is used, the most famous example is Category:Birmingham, West Midlands. The reason is that editors do not have to check the category page when they are categorizing articles, so the category name has to be more self-explanatory than an article name. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:58, 3 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Marcocapelle is correct that categories are often disambiguated even when their eponymous articles are not, which is why speedy criterion C2D does not apply in those cases. Mclay1 (talk) 03:16, 4 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Edo religion

Propose merging Category:Edo religion to Category:Edo culture

Nominator's rationale: merge, redundant category layer with only one article and one subcategory. Marcocapelle (talk) 08:48, 3 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Edo history

Propose merging Category:Edo history to Category:Edo (ethnic group)

Nominator's rationale: merge, redundant category layer with only one article and one subcategory. Marcocapelle (talk) 08:46, 3 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support per nom. Mclay1 (talk) 13:50, 3 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Mayors of populated places in the United States by century

Proposing renaming so that "populated" is removed, to make consistent with Category:Mayors of places in the United States which was renamed to removed "populated" in ~~November 2023~~. Sahaib (talk) 08:03, 3 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Speedy move per C2C. The parent category was actually moved to its current name in April 2024. Mclay1 (talk) 13:53, 3 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Members of the 118th United States Congress

Propose deleting Category:Members of the 118th United States Congress (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Nominator's rationale: This is overcategorization. Members of Congress are notable for being members, but not for being members of each individual Congress. Taking this to its logical conclusion, Nancy Pelosi, who was elected to Congress in 1987, would require an additional 19 categories (100th-118th Congress), not to mention the 119th US Congress when that opens. – Muboshgu (talk) 02:51, 3 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Strong Oppose I’m the person who made this category. The reason why I’m making it is because there are categories for every single UK parliament MP listing. So I don’t understand why the U.S. doesn’t have it similarly. Yeah it would give articles like Pelosi, McConnell, etc longer articles as a result, but I think it’s ok because I feel all of this is important. Vinnylospo (talk) 05:25, 3 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Sounds like an WP:OTHERSTUFF argument for examining UK parliament categories, not for keeping this one. – Muboshgu (talk) 15:44, 3 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support per nom. This is category pollution. Stefen Tower_{s among the rest!} ^{Gab • Gruntwerk} 04:20, 3 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Further, to answer the category creator, see WP:CATDEF. The question here is whether reliable, secondary sources tend to refer to a member of Congress as a member of a specific Congress, and my impression is usually they do not, but rather they refer to them in terms of their entire tenure or whether they are a current or former member. Due to this and the unwieldiness of adding a lot more categories in likely a lot of articles, I think lists of members per Congress (like we already do in "nth United States Congress" articles) makes a lot more sense. Stefen Tower_{s among the rest!} ^{Gab • Gruntwerk} 21:56, 3 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support per nom. We have a whole tree for this for England (until 1707), but that is overcategorization for the same reason. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:00, 3 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

August 2

Category:NewsNet affiliates

Propose deleting Category:NewsNet affiliates (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Nominator's rationale: Speedy delete: Network folded 8/2/2024 Mvcg66b3r (talk) 22:31, 2 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Procedurally oppose. @Mvcg66b3r A defunct organization is not a reason for deletion of a category, especially not grounds for a speedy deletion.Mason (talk) 22:37, 2 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Ashoka Fellows

Propose merging Category:Ashoka Fellows to Category:Social entrepreneurs
Propose merging Category:Ashoka Afghanistan Fellows to Category:Social entrepreneurs
Propose merging Category:Ashoka Bangladesh Fellows to Category:Social entrepreneurs
Propose merging Category:Ashoka Brazil Fellows to Category:Social entrepreneurs
Propose merging Category:Ashoka Canada Fellows to Category:Canadian social entrepreneurs
Propose merging Category:Ashoka Chile Fellows to Category:Social entrepreneurs
Propose merging Category:Ashoka Egypt Fellows to Category:Social entrepreneurs
Propose merging Category:Ashoka Finland Fellows to Category:Social entrepreneurs
Propose merging Category:Ashoka Germany Fellows to Category:Social entrepreneurs
Propose merging Category:Ashoka India Fellows to Category:Indian social entrepreneurs
Propose merging Category:Ashoka Morocco Fellows to Category:Social entrepreneurs
Propose merging Category:Ashoka Poland Fellows to Category:Social entrepreneurs
Propose merging Category:Ashoka South Africa Fellows to Category:Social entrepreneurs
Propose merging Category:Ashoka Sweden Fellows to Category:Social entrepreneurs
Propose merging Category:Ashoka United Kingdom Fellows to Category:Social entrepreneurs
Propose merging Category:Ashoka USA Fellows to Category:American social entrepreneurs
Propose merging Category:Ashoka USA Fellows-2010 to Category:American social entrepreneurs
Propose merging Category:Ashoka Venezuela Fellows to Category:Social entrepreneurs

Nominator's rationale: WP:OCAWARD this is not a defining award. The selection criteria notes that "Ashoka supports social entrepreneurs who have begun to implement their work, have achieved positive impact, and are ready to scale up nationally or internationally". This is more of a network than a defining award. https://www.ashoka.org/en-tr/recommend-ashoka-fellow Mason (talk) 22:17, 2 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The problem here is, that the root category for ashoka fellows is wrongly associated with the "award" topic. Remove the award association and we are good.

To merge the ashokas into the social entrepreneurs would make them invisible. Is that Your intent?

The root category for ashoka is "Social entrepreneurs" rightly anyway. Manorainjan 22:41, 2 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Merge, not a defining characteristic. This sort of information belongs in a list where it can be referenced rather than in a category. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:12, 3 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Women association football agents

Propose splitting Category:Women association football agents to Category:Association football agents and Category:Women sports agents

Nominator's rationale: Dual merge; three way intersection between gender, sport, and profession. Omnis Scientia (talk) 21:44, 2 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Dual merge, also per WP:FINALRUNG: in the category tree of Category:Sports agents articles are not only categorized by female but also by nationality. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:15, 3 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:8th-century Indian architects

Propose merging Category:8th-century Indian architects to Category:8th-century architects and Category:Indian architects and Category:8th-century Indian people
Propose merging Category:7th-century Indian architects to Category:7th-century architects and Category:Indian architects and Category:7th-century Indian people

Nominator's rationale: Isolated categories that only hold one person. Upmerge for now. Mason (talk) 20:47, 2 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Merge per nom. –LaundryPizza03 (d c̄) 21:55, 2 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:16, 3 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I have removed the article from the 7th-century categories, according to the article the subject built under Vikramaditya II. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:23, 3 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, Category:7th-century Indian architects has been emptied. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 06:02, 3 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:American anime-influenced Western animated television series

Propose renaming Category:American anime-influenced Western animated television series to Category:American anime-influenced animated television series

Nominator's rationale: Redundant titles quite obviously created as a result of copying from the parent category title. Western is an unnecessary qualifier here, because (1) it's self-evident from the country, and (2) it's not a defining aspect anyway. Paul_012 (talk) 19:28, 2 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Rename per nom, this would coveer all countries other than Japan. –LaundryPizza03 (d c̄) 19:48, 2 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Rename "Western" is not needed in this description. Dimadick (talk) 17:16, 3 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Doctor Who audio characters

Propose deleting Category:Doctor Who audio characters (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Nominator's rationale: This category primarily consists of characters who debuted and appeared in the main show, with only Charley Pollard, Bernice Summerfield, and Iris Wildthyme not appearing in the main show. Even then, the latter two first appeared in books, with only Pollard having actually debuted in audio dramas. This category as a result seems entirely redundant due to having no clear inclusion criteria separate from any other character category for this franchise. Has one ever considered Magneton? Pokelego999 (talk) 18:41, 2 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Japanese anime-influenced Western animated television series

Propose deleting Category:Japanese anime-influenced Western animated television series (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Nominator's rationale: Nonsensical category, as anime-influenced animation is by definition non-Japanese. Paul_012 (talk) 18:38, 2 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete as self-contradictory. –LaundryPizza03 (d c̄) 19:49, 2 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Chinese anime-influenced Western animated television series

Propose renaming Category:Chinese anime-influenced Western animated television series to Category:Chinese anime-influenced animated television series

Nominator's rationale: Obvious errors as these countries aren't in the West. The categories were obviously created in error by contributors copying the parent category title without actually checking what it said. Paul_012 (talk) 18:23, 2 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support per nom. There is no universally agreed definition of the Western world. –LaundryPizza03 (d c̄) 19:49, 2 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Anime-influenced Western animation

Propose merging Category:Anime-influenced Western animation to Category:Anime-influenced animation
- Renaming Category:Anime-influenced Western animated television series to Category:Anime-influenced animated television series
- Renaming Category:Anime-influenced Western animated films to Category:Anime-influenced animated films

Nominator's rationale: Upmerge. Non-defining and unnecessary category layer, leading to a mess of incorrect subcategorisations. The category was at Category:Anime-influenced animation from 2006 until 2017 when it was moved to Category:Anime-influenced Western animation following a CfD where the main argument confusingly surrounded concern over whether animation here could be understood as also including anime, thus making the category self-referential and thus nullifying its purpose, which is, IMO, nonsense. The main article is Anime-influenced animation, and the term's meaning has always been clear. In any case, Category:Anime-influenced animation was later re-created in 2020 because non-Western anime-influenced animation exists. There was no discussion in the previous CfD over whether being Western was actually a defining aspect for a subset of anime-influenced animation, and I'm arguing here that it is not, and the split categories should be merged back to the original title. The film and series subcategories should likewise be renamed (failing that, at the very least they need to be split to remove the Asian subcategories, which are clearly not Western). Paul_012 (talk) 18:18, 2 August 2024 (UTC) – 18:42, 2 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Also, this entire tree needs a lot of clean-up, as it's full of irrelevant articles evidently labelled according to someone's made-up ideas without any attestation. Kungfu Panda? Puss in Boots? How are these anime-influenced in the slightest? --Paul_012 (talk) 18:49, 2 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Rename and merge There is no universally agreed definition of the Western world. –LaundryPizza03 (d c̄) 19:50, 2 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Urban pop albums by French artists

Propose deleting Category:Urban pop albums by French artists (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Nominator's rationale: "Urban pop", or where it redirects to urban contemporary music, is considered more of a radio format than a specific genre because those stations play from a variety of genres (R&B, hip hop, Latin music, pop, etc.) targeting for the most part Black audiences, and such stations have been labeled as "urban". The album in this category can be upmerged to the parents. Starcheerspeaksnewslostwars^{Talk to me} 17:53, 2 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:28, 3 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Television shows written by John Swartzwelder

Propose renaming Category:Television shows written by John Swartzwelder to Category:Television episodes written by John Swartzwelder

Nominator's rationale: The category contains articles about individual episodes, not shows. Mr slav999 (talk) 16:28, 2 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Rename per nom. If there were television shows in the category, it would need to be split from the episodes. –LaundryPizza03 (d c̄) 19:51, 2 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Hotels in Pattaya

Propose merging Category:Hotels in Pattaya to Category:Hotels in Thailand

Nominator's rationale: Only has 1 entry. LibStar (talk) 00:05, 25 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Merge per nom but to Category:Buildings and structures in Pattaya. The article is already in Category:Hotel chains in Thailand. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:42, 25 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: I've added two more entries. More could be created as redirects to their chains, but there's no point if the category's being deleted. --Paul_012 (talk) 20:28, 25 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
One of the additional entries is a redirect to an article on a fire at the hotel. LibStar (talk) 02:15, 1 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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If only redirects might be added I suggest we proceed with the merge. Marcocapelle (talk) 16:13, 2 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Pages using LPFM station data without facility ID

Propose deleting Category:Pages using LPFM station data without facility ID (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Nominator's rationale: No longer used in {{LPFM station data}} after the cleanup was completed. House Blaster (talk · he/they) 01:39, 25 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Xth-century Indian sculptors

Propose merging Category:7th-century Indian sculptors (0) to Category:7th-century Indian artists, Category:7th-century sculptors, and Category:Indian sculptors
Propose merging Category:8th-century Indian sculptors (2) to Category:8th-century Indian artists, Category:8th-century sculptors, and Category:Indian sculptors

Nominator's rationale: Procedural follow up to Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 July 25#Category:12th-century Indian sculptors. Pinging patricipants Marcocapelle, Smasongarrison. These century cats are isolated and unhelpful for navigation. Qwerfjkl talk 15:27, 2 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Merge per nom, but not to the third merge target because the articles are already in Category:Indian male sculptors. Marcocapelle (talk) 16:10, 2 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Merge per nom. Thanks for following up! Mason (talk) 20:40, 2 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Also, merge the second category to Category:8th-century Indian people rather than Category:8th-century Indian artists because the latter does not exist and it is too early to create it. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:36, 3 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
CommentCategory:7th-century Indian sculptors has been emptied. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 06:04, 3 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Uncategorised film articles

Propose deleting Category:Uncategorised film articles (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Nominator's rationale: This doesn't seem to be used by any template as I couldn't find it in an insource search. As a manual placed category this isn't really useful. Gonnym (talk) 07:30, 25 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose: The category is populated by {{WikiProject Film}} and is used on talk pages. MClay1 (talk) 06:39, 30 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Mclay1, could you help explain the category's function, and the conditions that trigger it? The template was converted to use the common meta template sometime after the category was introduced, and it seems like its functionality may have been abandoned. (I couldn't find references in the current or historical template code, but maybe it used to be in some of the subtemplates deleted in 2016?) --Paul_012 (talk) 03:43, 3 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- I don't know how it actually works, and looking at it again, I've confused this category with Category:Unassessed film articles, so it quite possibly isn't used. In which case, delete. Mclay1 (talk) 07:33, 3 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Sportspeople from Japan by prefecture

Propose renaming Category:Sportspeople from Japan by prefecture to Category:Japanese sportspeople by prefecture
Propose renaming Category:Sumo people by prefecture in Japan to Category:Japanese sumo people by prefecture
Propose renaming Category:Professional shogi players by prefecture in Japan to Category:Japanese professional shogi players by prefecture
Propose renaming Category:Rugby union players by prefecture in Japan to Category:Japanese rugby union players by prefecture
Propose renaming Category:Association football people from Japan by prefecture to Category:Japanese association football players by prefecture
Propose renaming Category:Baseball people by prefecture in Japan to Category:Japanese baseball players by prefecture

Nominator's rationale: per (many) previous precedents. Moved to full Cfd; split should be at the end and it should by "Foo people by region". Omnis Scientia (talk) 12:30, 25 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose. Which prefecture? What country? Can a Japanese player play in a Baseball team in Bangui (Prefecture)? This creates a problem that the previous naming convention did not have. Gonnym (talk) 13:53, 25 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I don't see any issue or confusion here. Its for categorizing by birth place or place where they grew up, not where they played. Majority of categories like this are named like that. Omnis Scientia (talk) 14:25, 25 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Procedural close as potential trainwreck per Canadian nomination above. Grutness...wha? 15:33, 25 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

As above. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:35, 25 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Sportspeople by Canadian province or territory and sport

Propose renaming Category:Sportspeople by Canadian province or territory and sport to Category:Canadian sportspeople by province or territory and sport
Propose renaming Category:Professional wrestlers by Canadian province or territory to Category:Canadian professional wrestlers by province or territory
Propose renaming Category:Volleyball players by Canadian province or territory to Category:Canadian volleyball players by province or territory
Propose renaming Category:Softball people by Canadian province or territory to Category:Canadian softball players by province or territory
Propose renaming Category:Triathlon people by Canadian province or territory to Category:Canadian triathlon people by province or territory
Propose renaming Category:Soccer people by Canadian province or territory to Category:Canadian soccer players by province or territory
Propose renaming Category:Sledding sportspeople by Canadian province or territory to Category:Canadian sledding sportspeople by province or territory
Propose renaming Category:Skiing people by Canadian province or territory to Category:Canadian skiing people by province or territory
Propose renaming Category:Skating people by Canadian province or territory to Category:Canadian skating people by province or territory
Propose renaming Category:Rugby football people by Canadian province or territory to Category:Canadian rugby football people by province or territory
Propose renaming Category:Rowers by Canadian province or territory to Category:Canadian rowers by province or territory
Propose renaming Category:Racket sportspeople by Canadian province or territory to Category:Canadian racket sportspeople by province or territory
Propose renaming Category:Racing drivers by Canadian province or territory to Category:Canadian racing drivers by province or territory
Propose renaming Category:Motorsport people by Canadian province or territory to Category:Canadian motorsport people by province or territory
Propose renaming Category:Martial artists by Canadian province or territory to Category:Canadian martial artists by province or territory
Propose renaming Category:Lacrosse people by Canadian province or territory to Category:Canadian lacrosse people by province or territory
Propose renaming Category:Gymnastics people by Canadian province or territory to Category:Canadian gymnasts by province or territory
Propose renaming Category:Gridiron football people by Canadian province or territory to Category:Canadian Gridiron football people by province or territory
Propose renaming Category:Golf people by Canadian province or territory to Category:Canadian golfers by province or territory
Propose renaming Category:Field hockey people in Canada by province or territory to Category:Canadian field hockey people by province or territory
Propose renaming Category:Cyclists by Canadian province or territory to Category:Canadian cyclists by province or territory
Propose renaming Category:Curlers by Canadian province or territory to Category:Canadian curlers by province or territory
Propose renaming Category:Cricketers by Canadian province or territory to Category:Canadian cricketers by province or territory
Propose renaming Category:Boxing people by Canadian province or territory to Category:Canadian boxers by province or territory
Propose renaming Category:Basketball people by Canadian province or territory to Category:Canadian basketball players by province or territory
Propose renaming Category:Baseball people by Canadian province or territory to Category:Canadian baseball players by province or territory
Propose renaming Category:Swimmers by Canadian province or territory to Category:Canadian swimmers by province or territory
Propose renaming Category:Aquatic sportspeople by Canadian province or territory to Category:Canadian aquatic sportspeople by province or territory
Propose renaming Category:Animal sportspeople by Canadian province or territory to Category:Canadian animal sportspeople by province or territory

Nominator's rationale: per previous precedents. Moved to full Cfd. Omnis Scientia (talk) 12:36, 25 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose. Which province or territory? What country? Can a Canadian player play in a Baseball team in the Northern Territory? This creates a problem that the previous naming convention did not have. Gonnym (talk) 13:54, 25 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I don't see any issue or confusion here. Its for categorizing by birth place or place where they grew up, not where they played. Majority of categories are named like this. Omnis Scientia (talk) 14:26, 25 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Procedural close as potential trainwreck. The majority of such categories in Category:Sportspeople by first-level administrative country subdivision and its subcategories are in the form "XSport people by Fooian division" (e.g., Category:Cyclists from Germany by state, Category:Gaelic footballers from the Republic of Ireland by county, Category:Rugby union players in New Zealand by region) with a significant minority in the form "XSport people by division in Foo" (e.g., Category:Footballers by state in Austria, Category:Field hockey players by province in the Netherlands, Category:Rugby union players in province in Argentina). A slightly smaller number use the proposed form of ""Fooian XSport people by division". As such, this almost certainly needs a far more comprehensive discussion elsewhere than a simple nomination of one small group of categories in this format. Grutness...wha? 15:19, 25 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I wouldn't mind having a broader discussion, for now I would note that in ultimate broadness the standard format is Category:Fooian people by parameter. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:34, 25 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment: I haven't followed all these CfDs, so I'm not going to !vote, but my preference is still for Category:Professional wrestlers from Canada by province or territory, to reflect its contents, which are Category:Professional wrestlers from Alberta, etc., because "Canadian people" and "people from Canada" are not going to be understood to be equivalent by everyone. I don't regularly follow CfD, but if a broader overall nomination is ever compiled, I would appreciate if someone could remember and give me a notification. --Paul_012 (talk) 04:56, 3 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Olympic Games in fiction

Propose deleting Category:Olympic Games in fiction (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Nominator's rationale: Not well defining, some of the entries can be moved to Category:Works about the Olympic Games, but not all of them. I also suspect that most of those entries are already in one of those subcategories. (Oinkers42) (talk) 14:22, 25 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Oinkers42: at first sight it seems to be a valid subcategory of Category:Sports fiction. How is this not well defined? Marcocapelle (talk) 06:11, 26 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose – Seems like a legitimate category. It seems useful to have a fiction category for something that is likely to have many non-fictional works made about it. MClay1 (talk) 02:07, 1 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Oppose Legiimate category, and could be easily populated. Dimadick (talk) 17:18, 3 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Module documentation pages

Propose deleting Category:Module documentation pages (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Nominator's rationale: Per my comments at WP:VPT#Adding documentation subpage to module doc pages, populating this category properly requires a lot of effort both now and every future time a new module is created. Since a similar list can be found via CirrusSearch, the existence of this category is an unnecessary and wasteful drain of resources. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 17:16, 25 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. WLH only includes pages that transclude {{Documentation subpage}} directly. Open any doc page in that list and you'll see that the documentation subpage message appears twice. Pppery is wrong. If the category is deleted then finding documentation subpages will become much harder. Nickps (talk) 17:20, 25 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I was wrong about that specific point (now removed), but not my broader point: CirrusSearch or frankly even Special:AllPages/Module: since almost half of all module pages are documentation pages should suffice. And what is the value of finding a list of all module documentation pages anyway? That's never been answered. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 17:22, 25 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Adding Category:Module documentation pages to your watchlist and letting category changes through the filter would allow you to see every new documentation page in your watchlist. The utility of this feature is explained in MediaWiki_talk:Scribunto-doc-page-header#Category:Module_documentation_pages. Nickps (talk) 17:27, 25 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

And why would one want to see every new documentation page on one's watchlist? This still looks like an overengineered solution in search of a problem, causing unnecessary chaos as a result. On the contrary to what you claim, that discussion shows one person who relies on watching template documentation pages and explicitly does not care about module documentaton pages. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 17:31, 25 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I know I watch the category. I can't speak for anyone else. If you ask me though, both of the arguments made for Category:Template documentation pages apply to modules because, while vandalism in module space is rarer, those pages are also less frequently visited, so it can be harder to spot. Removing a tool that would help with this process is a step in the wrong direction. Nickps (talk) 17:41, 25 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

And why would one want to see every new documentation page on one's watchlist? – because one is interested in maintaining module documentation. Keeping it consistent, up-to-date, etc. —⁠andrybak (talk) 17:57, 25 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Conversely, pages like Module:Category_disambiguation/doc are not listed in the WLH, despite clearly including the template. Nickps (talk) 17:23, 25 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Re: populating this category properly requires a lot of effort [...] every future time a new module is created – /doc pages are populated via preload Template:Documentation/preload-module-doc, so it won't be a lot of effort if {{Documentation subpage}} is added to the preload. —⁠andrybak (talk) 18:02, 25 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Squares and ball games

Propose merging Category:Squares and ball games to Category:Ball games

Nominator's rationale: Unnecessary/overcategorization Gjs238 (talk) 22:01, 25 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment. Three pages are in this category. This category improves WP readers finding things and is helpful. ~~Perhaps some changes in the category name such as "Squares court and ball games" would be better.~~ Happy to progress with the existing name. Rockycape (talk) 00:56, 26 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Rockycape: please provide evidence for the existence of a more generic name like "Squares court and ball games". If a more generic name does not exist then merge the category. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:05, 26 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Rockycape: for the existing name it isn't any different. Please provide evidence for the existence of a more generic name like "Squares and ball games". If a more generic name does not exist then merge the category. Marcocapelle (talk) 11:47, 26 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Merge per nom. It feels unnecessary to have a completely separate category for ball games that involve squares, when "Squares" could simply be added as a subcategory of "Ball games".

Nn88nn88 (talk) 00:47, 31 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Ball games --> Category:Squares and ball games --> Category: Squares

"Squares" from Category: Squares the generic name commonly used. As follows from Wiktionary definition: A sport played by four players where players have to hit a ball into other people's squares, and attempt to make a return hit. This category includes Hopscotch, Foursquare, Handball (schoolyard game) and Russian four square.Rockycape (talk) 05:56, 27 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Rockycape: I am sorry but Wiktionary is not a reliable source. Marcocapelle (talk) 08:33, 27 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- @Marcocapelle: Happy to use a online OED reference. Sorry it's behind a paywall. Hmmm - need to give some more thought.
Rockycape (talk) 00:46, 28 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- - Considering the difficulty you have mentioning only one reliable source it is very unlikely that any term is commonly used to describe these three games as a coherent set. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:25, 28 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Should be ok as it is commonly used and it's 2/2 with the paywall being the problem for the AED. Off to the bricks and mortar library for me and to take a squiz at the dictionary there. Rockycape (talk) 01:06, 29 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Macquarie Australian slang dictionary
    
    Author: general editor James Lambert.
    
    Imprint: Macquarie University, NSW : Macquarie Library, 2004.
    
    ISBN: 1876429526
    
    handball - a common schoolyard game played with a tennis ball which is hit with the hands in a court, consisting usually of either four or six squares, drawn on the asphalt. Four square - The version with four squares also gets called four square

It looks like the Macquarie University reference is of a high standard in addition to backing up the Oxford Dictionary reference(paywall) and the lesser Wiktionary one.Rockycape (talk) 20:57, 29 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

So it's a definition of handball, played with a tennis ball. Sounds like a ball game. Gjs238 (talk) 10:36, 31 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

A

B

C

Rockycape (talk) 10:16, 1 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

In the diagram above we would have (A) wall, (B) ball_games, (C) squares.

The categories are:

Category:Ball games

Category:Squares and ball games - you can't play these games without the requisite Squares - just like Squares are essential for Hopscotch. (No ball required for Hopscotch but you get the idea)

Category:Wall and ball games - you can't play these games without the requisite Wall - just like the Wall is essential for squash. (No racquet required here but you get the idea)

Category:Wall and ball games exists already

Category:Squares and ball games is the one we are discussing.

I did the diagram for my benefit to hopefully be able to explain my rationale.

We already many, many games in the Ball games category so collapsing either of the above categories is going to be a step backwards in clarity. Rockycape (talk) 10:32, 1 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment: I tried to follow the above discussion, but Rockycape's arguments are not making any sense to me. How do dictionary definitions for foursquare and handball have anything to do with whether this purported grouping is actually recognised as a distinct class of games? --Paul_012 (talk) 05:05, 3 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Okay, upon rereading their explanation below the diagram (which is mislabelled by the way), I think I understand. Rockycape created this category (Squares and ball games) as an analogue to the existing Category:Wall and ball games. The difference is that "wall-and-ball games" (that category should be renamed for hyphenation by the way) is an established term that has been used by reliable sources, while "squares and ball games" was just made up based on their own original analysis, and the dicdefs were invoked support to support this analysis. Rockycape, please see the Wikipedia policy on WP:No original research. We can't accept such self-created descriptions and categorisations. Merge/delete per nom. --Paul_012 (talk) 05:26, 3 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Looking at the articles, Four square, Handball (schoolyard game) and Downball all seem to be saying that they're synonyms or variations of the same game. Can't tell if Russian four square is even similar or just a shared name. It seems that what really needs to be done here is merging the redundant articles. Then there'd be no issue stemming from the desire to categorise them together. --Paul_012 (talk) 05:26, 3 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Merge, there is no evidence that it is a commonly used term by reliable sources. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:39, 3 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment.. I'd like to highlight the nomination reason

nominated for unnecessary/overcategorization
nominator proposes MERGE to Category:Ball_games
Category:Ball_games is already too BIG to be useful (200 articles)
Category:Ball_games has a manageable (20 sub-categories)

Being aware of efficiency here can re-list this or we take the discussion to the Category Talk page for a more thorough discussion perhaps . . .

. . . I propose if further discussion does not result in consensus I am happy to concede.

With respect to moving the discussion can I ask the nominator to withdraw this nomination on the basis of this being necessary and useful categorization. Rockycape (talk) 00:00, 4 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

What sort of more thorough discussion do you envisage? When you have e.g. five reliable sources that consider these games a distinct group you can list them here (not that I expect any), and other than that I don't think there is anything left to discuss. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:05, 4 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
If afforded the extra time, I'd like to focus further discussion on:

(a) Category:Squares and ball games is not overcategorization

(b) This discussion should be more about defining characteristic

(c) This discussion should be different to the notability requirement for articles. Rockycape (talk) 04:11, 6 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Merge to ball games; that and other existing categories like Category:Wall-and-ball games are sufficient. Walsh90210 (talk) 23:51, 5 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Merge to ball games.Rockycape (talk) 06:15, 6 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:19th-century feminists

Propose deleting Category:19th-century feminists (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Nominator's rationale: There is no need to have an intersection between political orientation and century. Mason (talk) 02:06, 16 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Weak support, I presume that early feminists are mostly in Category:Suffragists or belong there. Marcocapelle (talk) 10:17, 16 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Feminist ideologies have evolved significantly across different centuries; therefore, the intersection between feminism and century is crucial. - The9Man ^(Talk) 07:00, 17 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
But how is the century*ideology defining at the intersection ? Are people defined by being 19th-century feminists? This is the only category by century. I think an alternative name could be viable, but I don't see how this underpopulated category Category:19th-century feminists (40) is helpful.Mason (talk) 13:35, 17 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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Keep as a defining characteristic of the individuals named. One reason there are so few is that the social cost of being an overall true feminist in the 1800s, and not only those who supported the vote, was substantial. Rarity does not mean it isn't a viable topic, just the opposite. That same rarity makes these individuals even more unique in their approach and support of their fellow women. Randy Kryn (talk) 03:06, 24 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
No one is saying rarity is not defining. I don't think having an isolated category is helpful here. How would the keeps feel about an alternative name that doesn't include century? Like Early feminists or premodern feminists? Mason (talk) 04:15, 24 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Early or premodern are rather ambiguous concepts though. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:06, 24 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I just added another entry, this is a defining category. Randy Kryn (talk) 12:26, 24 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Ok, but @Randy Kryn, do you have suggestions that could avoid using the term century? The challenge with 19th-century, is that is that there is only 1 century. The norm is to not create 20th or 21st century for activists, so an alternative name would be extremely helpful. Mason (talk) 23:26, 24 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the ping. '19th-century' seems fine as a historical era-descriptor. The concept of 19th century feminists is interesting and descriptive. 18th century feminists may be a good essential category as well, tracking encyclopedically the "early" progress and social instinct of activist women such as Mary Wollstonecraft. 20th and 21st century would be a very full list, so they could be created or not. But 19th century notables, yes, it works on several levels. Randy Kryn (talk) 00:38, 25 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ok, @Randy Kryn so you do not have any alternative suggestions for a name? Mason (talk) 22:31, 2 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The present name is fine, as I said above. Randy Kryn (talk) 22:20, 3 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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Comment: We already have Category:First-wave feminism, etc. as subdivisions of the movement, but I'm not sure whether having Category:First-wave feminists and such would be a good idea. Biographies probably won't lend themselves to neatly fit such divisions. --Paul_012 (talk) 05:38, 3 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep There is no category about political ideologies that could not benefit by a subcategorization by century. This is one of the best aspects of Wikipedia's categorization. 17:20, 3 August 2024 (UTC)Dimadick (talk)

Category:1370 in Brussels

Propose merging Category:1370 in Brussels to Category:History of Brussels and Category:1370 in Europe
Propose merging Category:1511 in Brussels to Category:History of Brussels and Category:1511 in the Holy Roman Empire

Nominator's rationale: merge, isolated single-article categories, not helpful for navigation. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:15, 15 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: I will tag Category:1511 in Brussels.
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Support per nom. Johnbod (talk) 03:38, 24 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support except, instead of Category:History of Brussels, they should upmerge into the appropriate century subcategories, Category:14th century in Brussels and Category:16th century in Brussels respectively, which have greater scope for potential expansion. Also delete the decade categories Category:1370s in Brussels and Category:1510s in Brussels so the single articles don't get added there. MClay1 (talk) 16:20, 30 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Is this okay with you, @Johnbod and Marcocapelle? House Blaster (talk · he/they) 03:19, 1 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- 16th century is okay when Brussels had become the capital of the Habsburg Netherlands. I am a bit hesitant about the 14th century when that was not yet the case. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:22, 1 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- ok, or as Marco suggests. Johnbod (talk) 12:48, 1 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Museum collections

Propose renaming Category:Collections of Allen Memorial Art Gallery to Category:Collection of the Allen Memorial Art Gallery
Propose renaming Category:Collections of Allen Memorial Art Museum to Category:Collection of the Allen Memorial Art Museum
Propose renaming Category:Collections of Amgueddfa Cymru – Museum Wales to Category:Collection of Amgueddfa Cymru – Museum Wales
Propose renaming Category:Collections of Birmingham Museum and Art Gallery to Category:Collection of Birmingham Museum and Art Gallery
Propose renaming Category:Collections of Derby Museum and Art Gallery to Category:Collection of Derby Museum and Art Gallery
Propose renaming Category:Collections of Herbert Art Gallery and Museum to Category:Collection of the Herbert Art Gallery and Museum
Propose renaming Category:Collections of Lancashire Museums to Category:Collection of Lancashire Museums
Propose renaming Category:Collections of M – Museum Leuven to Category:Collection of M – Museum Leuven
Propose renaming Category:Collections of National Galleries Scotland to Category:Collection of National Galleries Scotland
Propose renaming Category:Collections of National Museums Scotland to Category:Collection of National Museums Scotland
Propose renaming Category:Collections of North Lincolnshire Museum to Category:Collection of North Lincolnshire Museum
Propose renaming Category:Collections of Palazzo Abatellis to Category:Collection of the Palazzo Abatellis

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Propose renaming Category:Collections of the Art Gallery of South Australia to Category:Collection of the Art Gallery of South Australia
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Propose renaming Category:Collections of the Art Institute of Chicago to Category:Collection of the Art Institute of Chicago
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Propose renaming Category:Collections of the Bardo National Museum (Tunis) to Category:Collection of the Bardo National Museum (Tunis)
Propose renaming Category:Collections of the Detroit Institute of Arts to Category:Collection of the Detroit Institute of Arts
Propose renaming Category:Collections of the Doria Pamphilj Gallery to Category:Collection of the Galleria Doria Pamphilj
Propose renaming Category:Collections of the Fitzwilliam Museum to Category:Collection of the Fitzwilliam Museum
Propose renaming Category:Collections of the Fuglsang Art Museum to Category:Collection of the Fuglsang Art Museum
Propose renaming Category:Collections of the Galleria Borghese to Category:Collection of the Galleria Borghese
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Propose renaming Category:Collections of the Galleria Nazionale delle Marche to Category:Collection of the Galleria Nazionale delle Marches
Propose renaming Category:Collections of the Galleria Sabauda to Category:Collection of the Galleria Sabauda
Propose renaming Category:Collections of the Galleria dell'Accademia to Category:Collection of the Galleria dell'Accademia
Propose renaming Category:Collections of the Galleria nazionale di Parma to Category:Collection of the Galleria nazionale di Parma
Propose renaming Category:Collections of the Gallerie dell'Accademia to Category:Collection of the Gallerie dell'Accademia
Propose renaming Category:Collections of the Geelong Gallery to Category:Collection of the Geelong Gallery
Propose renaming Category:Collections of the Gemäldegalerie Alte Meister to Category:Collection of the Gemäldegalerie Alte Meister
Propose renaming Category:Collections of the Germanisches Nationalmuseum to Category:Collection of the Germanisches Nationalmuseum
Propose renaming Category:Collections of the Gothenburg Museum of Art to Category:Collection of the Gothenburg Museum of Art
Propose renaming Category:Collections of the Groeningemuseum to Category:Collection of the Groeningemuseum
Propose renaming Category:Collections of the Hull and East Riding Museum to Category:Collection of the Hull and East Riding Museum
Propose renaming Category:Collections of the Hunan Museum to Category:Collection of the Hunan Museum
Propose renaming Category:Collections of the Hunan Provincial Museum to Category:Collection of the Hunan Provincial Museum
Propose renaming Category:Collections of the Israel Museum to Category:Collection of the Israel Museum
Propose renaming Category:Collections of the J. Paul Getty Museum to Category:Collection of the J. Paul Getty Museum
Propose renaming Category:Collections of the Kröller-Müller Museum to Category:Collection of the Kröller-Müller Museum
Propose renaming Category:Collections of the Kunsthistorisches Museum to Category:Collection of the Kunsthistorisches Museum
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Propose renaming Category:Collections of the Museo Correr to Category:Collection of the Museo Correr
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Propose renaming Category:Collections of the Museo Nazionale di San Matteo to Category:Collection of the Museo Nazionale di San Matteo
Propose renaming Category:Collections of the Museo del Prado to Category:Collection of the Museo del Prado
Propose renaming Category:Collections of the Museo di Capodimonte to Category:Collection of the Museo di Capodimonte
Propose renaming Category:Collections of the Museu Nacional d'Art de Catalunya to Category:Collection of the Museu Nacional d'Art de Catalunya
Propose renaming Category:Collections of the Museum Boijmans Van Beuningen to Category:Collection of the Museum Boijmans Van Beuningen
Propose renaming Category:Collections of the Museum Ludwig to Category:Collection of the Museum Ludwig
Propose renaming Category:Collections of the Museum of Fine Arts, Boston to Category:Collection of the Museum of Fine Arts, Boston
Propose renaming Category:Collections of the Museum of Fine Arts, Ghent to Category:Collection of the Museum of Fine Arts, Ghent
Propose renaming Category:Collections of the Museum of Fine Arts (Budapest) to Category:Collection of the Museum of Fine Arts (Budapest)
Propose renaming Category:Collections of the Museum of Fine Arts of Lyon to Category:Collection of the Museum of Fine Arts of Lyon
Propose renaming Category:Collections of the Museum of Grenoble to Category:Collection of the Museum of Grenoble
Propose renaming Category:Collections of the Museum of London to Category:Collection of the Museum of London
Propose renaming Category:Collections of the Musée Carnavalet to Category:Collection of the Musée Carnavalet
Propose renaming Category:Collections of the Musée Condé to Category:Collection of the Musée Condé
Propose renaming Category:Collections of the Musée Gustave-Moreau to Category:Collection of the Musée Gustave-Moreau
Propose renaming Category:Collections of the Musée Jacquemart-André to Category:Collection of the Musée Jacquemart-André
Propose renaming Category:Collections of the Musée d'Art et d'Histoire (Neuchâtel) to Category:Collection of the Musée d'Art et d'Histoire (Neuchâtel)
Propose renaming Category:Collections of the Musée d'Arts de Nantes to Category:Collection of the Musée d'Arts de Nantes
Propose renaming Category:Collections of the Musée d'Orsay to Category:Collection of the Musée d'Orsay
Propose renaming Category:Collections of the Musée des Augustins to Category:Collection of the Musée des Augustins
Propose renaming Category:Collections of the Musée des Beaux-Arts de Nancy to Category:Collection of the Musée des Beaux-Arts de Nancy
Propose renaming Category:Collections of the Musée des Beaux-Arts et d'archéologie de Besançon to Category:Collection of the Musée des Beaux-Arts et d'Archéologie de Besançon
Propose renaming Category:Collections of the Musée des beaux-arts de la ville de Paris to Category:Collection of the Musée des beaux-arts de la ville de Paris
Propose renaming Category:Collections of the National Archaeological Museum, Naples to Category:Collection of the National Archaeological Museum, Naples
Propose renaming Category:Collections of the National Archives of Thailand to Category:Collection of the National Archives of Thailand
Propose renaming Category:Collections of the National Gallery (Norway) to Category:Collection of the National Gallery (Norway)
Propose renaming Category:Collections of the National Gallery Prague to Category:Collection of the National Gallery Prague
Propose renaming Category:Collections of the National Gallery of Art to Category:Collection of the National Gallery of Art
Propose renaming Category:Collections of the National Gallery of Australia to Category:Collection of the National Gallery of Australia
Propose renaming Category:Collections of the National Gallery of Canada to Category:Collection of the National Gallery of Canada
Propose renaming Category:Collections of the National Gallery of Denmark to Category:Collection of the National Gallery of Denmark
Propose renaming Category:Collections of the National Gallery of Victoria to Category:Collection of the National Gallery of Victoria
Propose renaming Category:Collections of the National Maritime Museum, Greenwich to Category:Collection of the National Maritime Museum, Greenwich
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Propose renaming Category:Collections of the National Museum of Serbia to Category:Collection of the National Museum of Serbia
Propose renaming Category:Collections of the National Museum of Singapore to Category:Collection of the National Museum of Singapore
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Propose renaming Category:Collections of the National Portrait Gallery, London to Category:Collection of the National Portrait Gallery, London
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Propose renaming Category:Collections of the Naval Museum of Madrid to Category:Collection of the Naval Museum of Madrid
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Propose renaming Category:Collections of the Norton Simon Museum to Category:Collection of the Norton Simon Museum
Propose renaming Category:Collections of the Norwegian Museum of Cultural History to Category:Collection of the Norwegian Museum of Cultural History
Propose renaming Category:Collections of the Ny Carlsberg Glyptotek to Category:Collection of the Ny Carlsberg Glyptothek
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Propose renaming Category:Collections of the Petit Palais to Category:Collection of the Petit Palais
Propose renaming Category:Collections of the Powerhouse Museum to Category:Collection of the Powerhouse Museum
Propose renaming Category:Collections of the Pushkin Museum to Category:Collection of the Pushkin Museum
Propose renaming Category:Collections of the Randers Museum of Art to Category:Collection of the Randers Museum of Art
Propose renaming Category:Collections of the Rijksmuseum Amsterdam to Category:Collection of the Rijksmuseum
Propose renaming Category:Collections of the Royal Museum of Fine Arts, Antwerp to Category:Collection of the Royal Museum of Fine Arts, Antwerp
Propose renaming Category:Collections of the Royal Museums of Fine Arts of Belgium to Category:Collection of the Royal Museums of Fine Arts of Belgium
Propose renaming Category:Collections of the Royal Ontario Museum to Category:Collection of the Royal Ontario Museum
Propose renaming Category:Collections of the Russian Museum to Category:Collection of the Russian Museum
Propose renaming Category:Collections of the Salar Jung Museum to Category:Collection of the Salar Jung Museum
Propose renaming Category:Collections of the Science Museum, London to Category:Collection of the Science Museum, London
Propose renaming Category:Collections of the Scott Polar Research Institute to Category:Collection of the Scott Polar Research Institute
Propose renaming Category:Collections of the Skagens Museum to Category:Collection of the Skagens Museum
Propose renaming Category:Collections of the Strada Nuova Museums to Category:Collection of the Musei di Strada Nuova
Propose renaming Category:Collections of the Städel to Category:Collection of the Städel
Propose renaming Category:Collections of the Thyssen-Bornemisza Museum to Category:Collection of the Thyssen-Bornemisza Museum
Propose renaming Category:Collections of the Tretyakov Gallery to Category:Collection of the Tretyakov Gallery
Propose renaming Category:Collections of the Uffizi to Category:Collection of the Uffizi
Propose renaming Category:Collections of the Van Gogh Museum to Category:Collection of the Van Gogh Museum
Propose renaming Category:Collections of the Vatican Museums to Category:Collection of the Vatican Museums
Propose renaming Category:Collections of the Victoria and Albert Museum to Category:Collection of the Victoria and Albert Museum
Propose renaming Category:Collections of the Villa Giulia to Category:Collection of the Villa Giulia
Propose renaming Category:Collections of the Wadsworth Atheneum to Category:Collection of the Wadsworth Atheneum
Propose renaming Category:Collections of the Wallraf-Richartz Museum to Category:Collection of the Wallraf-Richartz Museum
Propose renaming Category:Collections of the Wallraf–Richartz Museum to Category:Collection of the Wallraf–Richartz Museum
Propose renaming Category:Collections of the Winterthur Museum, Garden and Library to Category:Collection of the Winterthur Museum, Gallery and Library
Propose renaming Category:Collections of the Worcester Art Museum to Category:Collection of the Worcester Art Museum
Propose renaming Category:Collections of the Yale Center for British Art to Category:Collection of the Yale Center for British Art
Propose renaming Category:Collections of the Yale University Art Gallery to Category:Collection of the Yale University Art Gallery
Propose renaming Category:Collections of the York Archaeological Trust to Category:Collection of the York Archaeological Trust
Propose renaming Category:Collections of the York Museums Trust to Category:Collection of the York Museums Trust
Propose renaming Category:Collections of the Yorkshire Museum to Category:Collection of the Yorkshire Museum

Nominator's rationale: Subcategories of Category:Museum collections for individual museums currently use a mixture of the styles "Collection of [the Foo Museum]" and "Collections of [the Foo Museum]". I propose to standardize to "Collection", singular, as that seems more logical; the article Collection (museum) mostly refers to a museum as having a "collection" as opposed to "collections", plural – although "Very large museums will often have many sub-collections, each with its own criteria for collecting. A natural history museum, for example, will have mammals in a separate collection from insects." Even in those cases, though, it's still idiomatic to refer to the collection of, say, the British Museum – see this Ngram. Ham II (talk) 06:43, 14 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose It is indeed correct to use a plural categroy name when a museum has multiple named collections, often each with their own subcategory. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 07:58, 14 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose As Andy. Collections in plural (for all but the smallest museums) is correct. Especially for our use, where we regularly have subcategories to more specific collections. Andy Dingley (talk) 10:27, 14 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose for the reasons expressed above. I think it would be better to standardize using "Collections", since it is not uncommon for museums to have multiple collections. — SGconlaw (talk) 14:27, 14 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose and standardize 'Collections' per Sgconlaw. For example, I often refer to Wikipedia's topic collections and not overall 'collection of articles'. Randy Kryn (talk) 14:33, 14 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Strong support I'm very puzzled by these opposes - most from people not known for activity in this area. To "standardize using "Collections", since it is not uncommon for museums to have multiple collections" is just NOT an option, as many museums don't have multiple named options. We can indeed use named subcategories though pretty few museum categories actually do so - one exception is Category:British Library. We normally sub-categorize by type of object, area they are from etc. You will very very rarely hear museum people talk about "our collections" rather than "our collection". If, like me, you work a lot in this area, including categories, it is a complete pain to have to keep experimenting to see which form is used by us. Johnbod (talk) 22:07, 14 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Johnbod, that sounds like an argument against the proposal to make everything match. The British Library has many collections, so it should stay at Category:British Library collections (in the plural), and museums that only have one collection should use the singular. Do you really want Category:British Library collections to be renamed to the singular? WhatamIdoing (talk) 00:00, 15 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, for consistency, which is important here. Alternatively the intermediate Category:British Library collections could just be cut out, and the 15 named collection sub-cats just come off the main BL category. But that will rather mess up parent categories like, in this case Category:Manuscripts by collection. Johnbod (talk) 13:14, 15 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I intend to look at library collections in another nomination. With museums that could be said to have multiple collections, it's better to subdivide by object type and/or the geographical area where the objects are from, rather than by discrete sub-collection, and for the most part that's what we do. There is the added complication of several museums having multiple locations, and that is something that does show up in categorization. But we don't tend to have the equivalent of Category:Burney Collection and Category:Harleian Collection within Category:British Library collections for museums. Ham II (talk) 09:39, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support, will take Johnbod's word for this when it comes to museum information. I personally use 'collection' when discussing Wikipedia ("Wikipedia's spaceflight collection", etc.) but that's a personal choice. Randy Kryn (talk) 23:27, 14 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
support like Johnbod, i'm confused about the opposition here. his argument makes sense to me. ... sawyer * he/they * talk 07:32, 15 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: It would be clearer (and more in-line with usual category naming schemes) to have these categories titled as Category:~~Items~~ Objects in the collection of Foo Museum. But I'm not sure it's a net benefit with the increased wordiness. --Paul_012 (talk) 04:22, 20 July 2024 (UTC), 12:13, 21 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Perhaps Category:Items of Foo Museum suffices. Marcocapelle (talk) 09:10, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

"Objects" is the correct term, used by museums themselves. "Items" is actually a good deal less clear and adds nothing. Johnbod (talk) 12:35, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Thanks for the correction. I'm not familiar with the exact wording, but you probably get my intent. --Paul_012 (talk) 12:13, 21 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  - @Johnbod: what is your opinion about Category:Objects of Foo Museum? It seems to me that most articles are about an object rather than about a collection. Marcocapelle (talk) 15:08, 21 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    - Certainly they mostly are (though again, the British Library has some about actual collections), but I don't really see the need. "Collection of ..." seems very readily comprehensible. Johnbod (talk) 15:51, 21 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    - If we were to go with "Objects" it should be "Objects in the Foo Museum", not "Objects of the Foo Museum", for consistency with subcategories; "Paintings of", "Drawings of" and "Photographs of" would sound like depictions of the buildings.
      I don't think "Objects" is ideal for art collections. "Collection(s)" is more all-encompassing; we just need to pick a side on the question of singular versus plural. It's the categories, rather than the articles, that are about a collection – which is an argument for "Collection" being in the singular in each category name. Ham II (talk) 18:53, 21 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
      - Ok, thank you. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:56, 22 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Discussion on the objects suggestion would be helpful.
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'Collection', per Ham. Museums collect and build collections, and then they either display the diverse works and objects collected or store them. Works differ from objects in important ways, although both are included in institutional collections. Randy Kryn (talk) 02:59, 24 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. For what its worth I'm also a museum professional and frequently talk about the Collections in plural, in a situation where the term refers to all the things in museum institution. I can see a situation where where there is a subcategory of the above naming e..g 'Archaeology collection of...' or 'Natural Sciences collection of...' where the singular makes more sense. But for these broad, high level categories I prefer plural. Personal take. Zakhx150 (talk) 10:39, 24 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Notified: Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Museums. Ham II (talk) 06:56, 25 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Came here from aforementioned notification (thank you!). I don't think this is a situation where it can be standardized because the situation of the Met or the British Museum is very different to that of a small museum with one collection. The collections are within the broader collection, yes, but purely singular won't work if there isn't the option for both. Star Mississippi 13:26, 25 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you for the response. If one can say "the collections are within the broader collection" then collection in the singular is acceptable, though. The Met's webpage for searching its holdings is titled "The Met Collection" and the British Museum's is titled "Explore the collection". It would seem that purely singular is viable for both larger and smaller institutions, and purely plural works less well for the smaller ones. Ham II (talk) 14:02, 25 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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Support for consistency. Not all museums will have multiple collections, but multiple collections could be said to be part of one broader collection. Mclay1 (talk) 15:33, 2 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support bc it's grammatically correct (to my ear at least) to say "my collection of collections is kept in this room" and/or "LACMA's art collection was extended by Eli and Edythe Broad's extensive contemporary collections". Collection is an umbrella word here. Plus I think(?) we have a policy in favor of singular when it's a debate between plural and no plural (as in bond market v bond markets).

jengod (talk) 17:48, 4 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Weak support. Collection of... does make logical sense, indicating that these are topic categories (their contents are about the collection of such-and-such museum) rather than set categories (contents are instances of collections themselves, which most are not). It's a bit difficult to grasp in the first instance, but given the lack of support for the alternative set category approach (Objects/works in the collection of..., as I suggested above), singular Collection of... seems like the best solution. --Paul_012 (talk) 09:59, 5 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:American veterans activists

Propose merging Category:American veterans activists to Category:American veterans' rights activists

Nominator's rationale: Overlapping categories Mason (talk) 03:40, 24 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

~~Merge or~~ reverse merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:54, 24 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Considering the discussion below I'm striking "merge or". Marcocapelle (talk) 16:22, 2 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose. It is unclear that the articles in American veterans activists would be properly categorized in American veterans' rights activists if this merge occurs. Semper fi! FieldMarine (talk) 14:55, 24 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Can you @FieldMarine explain how are these are not overlapping categories? This is the only category for veterans activists. What are these activists advocating for that isn't covered by rights? Mason (talk) 23:22, 24 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Mason, there are many types of activists beyond just advocating for "rights". With the merge, it is unclear if everyone in the category to be eliminated fits in "rights" advocacy, nor does it allow for more complete capturing of veterans activists in the future. There's also two cat scheme connections here with the current setup. Category:American veterans activists as subcat of Category:American activists and Category:American veterans' rights activists as subset of Category:Veterans' rights activists by nationality. Semper Fi! (talk) 11:24, 25 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, I understand all that it would be unclear, that is why I am asking. @FieldMarineDo you have any example of an American veterans activist who does not fit into the "rights" advocacy bucket? Please be specific because I don't see how they aren't fully overlapping right now. Mason (talk) 11:53, 25 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Mason, in checking the first three, I do not see the word "rights" mentioned at all. I do see advocacy mentioned. In one case I see suicide prevention, which fits with advocacy not "rights". Semper Fi! FieldMarine (talk) 13:13, 25 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ok, let me rephrase. I'm asking because I am trying to understand how this category is substantively and meaningfully different. It would be extremely helpful for you (as the category creator) to provide concrete examples of why you think these categories are unique. I'm not opposed to reverse merging, however, reverse merging would eventually lead to renaming and reparenting a lot of other sibling categories. Hence, I'm trying to understand if this distinction is fundamentally meaningful. Suicide prevention is useful, but it doesn't really seem from looking at the categories that this group is unique other than they don't seem to have mentioned activism for rights specifically, but still they are advocating for veterans to have a better life. As a counter example, we don't have both a disability activists category and a disability rights activists category. They are highly overlapping because the core element is advocacy on behalf of disabled people. Mason (talk) 23:14, 25 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I agree with the issue raised about the possible disruption to the sibling categories with a merge or reverse merge for the reason I mention above – right now as separate subcats they are aligned with the parent cats. As for the counter example, "We don't have both a disability activists category and a disability rights activists category." I am not aware there's such a thing as a "disability activist", so it is unclear how that could ever be a cat. However, veterans activists do exist. Also of note to this discussion, the "disability rights activist" cat is a subcat of a higher-level activist cat.
Rights has a specific meaning and there are veterans activists who advocate beyond "rights". None of the articles in this category mention veterans rights at all. The veteran suicide issue is a good example because it encompasses a wide range of activists, well beyond advocating for rights. In my opinion, straying away from meanings or taking a loose view invites an improper or unmeaningful cat scheme. Semper Fi! FieldMarine (talk) 13:18, 27 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

For the record, there are autism activists as well as people raising awareness about specific disabilities. However, I don't understand why you keep not addressing my request for concrete examples. As I stated above: "Suicide prevention is useful, but it doesn't really seem from looking at the categories that this group is unique other than they don't seem to have mentioned activism for rights specifically, but still they are advocating for veterans to have a better life." I'm trying to understand if we need two categories. From what you@FieldMarine have written, it does not seem that we do. Mason (talk) 20:46, 2 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Another example is someone providing comic relief about a soldier's life, so that others that did not serve may better understand the military, or even provide entertainment to soldiers themselves. Another example is organizing a Harley motorcycle parade in a show of support for the fallen. Or building a memorial to honor veterans. Semper Fi! FieldMarine (talk) 23:27, 2 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Reverse merge and move Category:Veterans' rights activists (and all its subcategories accordingly) to Category:Veterans activists, which encompasses veteran's rights. I presume there are more activists involved in general advocacy for veterans than those specifically advocating for rights. There is no Wikipedia article for veterans' rights, and I can't find much about it from a quick web search – it feels like a very American term. Veterans activists would be more global. Mclay1 (talk) 15:45, 2 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I support Reverse merge as I don't believe including rights in the name fully captures the category. Semper Fi! FieldMarine (talk) 23:32, 2 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Cochise County conflict

Propose splitting Category:Cochise County conflict to Category:Cochise County conflict and Category:People of the Cochise County conflict

Nominator's rationale: Per WP:COPSEP, this should be split into a non-people and people category, enabling the people to be places in such categories as Category:19th-century people by conflict, etc. --wooden superman 12:17, 24 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Agree with nom on their rationale, but rather split between Category:History of Cochise County, Arizona and Category:People from Cochise County, Arizona as there wasn't a clearly defined Cochise County conflict and it is not a defining characteristic of the articles. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:27, 24 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Woodensuperman: thoughts? House Blaster (talk · he/they) 03:30, 1 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It's not a subject I'm familiar with, I note there is an article on Cochise County Cowboys though. --wooden superman 08:36, 1 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Perhaps a Category:Cochise County Cowboys is viable, but that can be created at editorial discretion regardless the outcome of this discussion. Marcocapelle (talk) 16:26, 2 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:People with Asperger syndrome

Propose deleting Category:People with Asperger syndrome (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Nominator's rationale: and also manually merge where needed to categories in Category:People on the autism spectrum. Many of these are already there, I would say. In some cases, I can't find sources which say they were diagnosed with it; in which case purge. Omnis Scientia (talk) 20:24, 24 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Manually merge, Asperger syndrome has been merged into Autism Spectrum Disorder. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:37, 24 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Marcocapelle, I guess you mean medically and NOT the articles . Just for clarification for other users. Omnis Scientia (talk) 22:34, 24 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Yes. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:19, 25 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per previous discussion Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2021 November 22#Category:People with Asperger syndrome/on the autism spectrum Mason (talk) 23:17, 24 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- The previous discussion was mainly about parent Category:People on the autism spectrum. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:22, 25 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Smasongarrison, as Marco noted, that was about the parent cat. I'm not in favor of deleting that since that is the actual diagnosis. This one is obsolete and the articles are in both subcats of the parent category and the Asperger's category. Omnis Scientia (talk) 09:57, 25 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Fair enough. My concern is that Asperger syndrome has been a diagnosis that reflects a constellation of symptoms that aren't defunct (a.k.a. they'd have an asd diagnosis if diagnosed today). Would the intent to be for anyone with an Asperger syndrome diagnosis to be included under the broader autism spectrum diagnosis? Mason (talk) 11:57, 25 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Smasongarrison, yes, in cases there is proof that the person had a diagnosis. Its a tricky subject, definitely. Hence why I said purge where there is no proof and only speculation. Omnis Scientia (talk) 13:08, 25 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Ok that's helpful. I was pretty sure that's what you meant. But I wanted to make sure that we wouldn't be purging people with Asperger just because they were diagnoses in a less modern era. (or for someone to reinterpret this cfd at a later date with that interpretation). I would not be opposed as we make it really clear in the category description that this category is to include historical diagnoses. However, I think that WhatamIdoing makes a good point. So I'm conflicted. Mason (talk) 23:22, 25 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep and leave it alone. In particular, this isn't just a "people who meet an official diagnostic category" thing. Being an Aspie is a self-concept for some people. There is a generation of people for whom having Asperger's instead of autism is a core belief about themselves. Yes, it's true that the industry has said they don't want to use the name of that eugenicist any longer, and that they think it's politically valuable to put all the high-functioning folks in the same diagnostic category as the people who are so disabled they can't safely be left unsupervised for five minutes. But it's also true that there are people who still self-identify has having Asperger's and who reject the idea that they actually have autism. We should not be imposing beliefs on these people. WhatamIdoing (talk) 16:00, 25 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Do you know if that applies to any of the people who have Wikipedia articles in the category? MClay1 (talk) 10:41, 1 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep per WhatamIdoing's explanation. Dimadick (talk) 17:15, 3 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Dimadick: Qwerfjkl has not been involved in this discussion. Which other user are you referring to? Mclay1 (talk) 05:35, 4 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Pages using FM station data without facility ID

Propose deleting Category:Pages using FM station data without facility ID (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Nominator's rationale: No longer used by {{FM station data}} now that the cleanup has been completed. House Blaster (talk · he/they) 22:23, 24 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete per nom; author request. --Paul_012 (talk) 04:24, 3 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Pages using AM station data without facility ID

Propose deleting Category:Pages using AM station data without facility ID (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Nominator's rationale: No longer used by {{AM station data}} after the cleanup was completed. House Blaster (talk · he/they) 22:27, 24 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete per nom; author request. --Paul_012 (talk) 04:23, 3 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:2022 establishment in Venezuela

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the discussion was: withdrawn. Going to CFDS. House Blaster (talk · he/they) 17:11, 2 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Propose merging Category:2022 establishment in Venezuela to Category:2022 establishments in Venezuela

Nominator's rationale: Obvious duplicate categories. House Blaster (talk · he/they) 12:53, 2 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Speedy Merge Per WP:C2C. - RevelationDirect (talk) 14:19, 2 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The above is preserved as an archive of the discussion. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.

Families by person

Propose renaming Category:Abu Bakr family (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Family of Abu Bakr
Propose renaming Category:Muhammad Ali family (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Family of Muhammad Ali
Propose renaming Category:Bo Xilai family (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Family of Bo Xilai

More categories

Propose renaming Category:William Booth family (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Family of William Booth
Propose renaming Category:James Joseph Brown family (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Family of James Joseph Brown
Propose renaming Category:William Jennings Bryan family (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Family of William Jennings Bryan
Propose renaming Category:Amon Carter family (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Family of Amon G. Carter
Propose renaming Category:Chen Yun family (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Family of Chen Yun
Propose renaming Category:Chiang Kai-shek family (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Family of Chiang Kai-shek
Propose renaming Category:William A. Clark family (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Family of William A. Clark
Propose renaming Category:Grover Cleveland family (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Family of Grover Cleveland
Propose renaming Category:Deng Xiaoping family (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Family of Deng Xiaoping
Propose renaming Category:John Edwards family (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Family of John Edwards
Propose renaming Category:Jonathan Edwards family (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Family of Jonathan Edwards (theologian)
Propose renaming Category:Gerald Ford family (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Family of Gerald Ford
Propose renaming Category:Henry Ford family (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Family of Henry Ford
Propose renaming Category:Mahatma Gandhi family (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Family of Mahatma Gandhi
Propose renaming Category:Wade Hampton family (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Family of Wade Hampton I
Propose renaming Category:John Harding family (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Family of John Harding, 1st Baron Harding of Petherton
Propose renaming Category:William Horsley family (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Family of William Horsley
Propose renaming Category:Hu Jintao family (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Family of Hu Jintao
Propose renaming Category:L. Ron Hubbard family (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Family of L. Ron Hubbard
Propose renaming Category:Charles Evans Hughes family (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Family of Charles Evans Hughes
Propose renaming Category:Andrew Jackson family (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Family of Andrew Jackson
Propose renaming Category:Jesse Jackson family (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Family of Jesse Jackson
Propose renaming Category:Jiang Zemin family (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Family of Jiang Zemin
Propose renaming Category:Andrew Johnson family (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Family of Andrew Johnson
Propose renaming Category:Lyndon B. Johnson family (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Family of Lyndon B. Johnson
Propose renaming Category:Richard Mentor Johnson family (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Family of Richard Mentor Johnson
Propose renaming Category:Robert Wood Johnson family (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Family of Robert Wood Johnson I
Propose renaming Category:Samuel Curtis Johnson family (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Family of Samuel Curtis Johnson Sr.
Propose renaming Category:Thomas Johnson family (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Family of Thomas Johnson
Propose renaming Category:Salim Khan family (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Family of Salim Khan
Propose renaming Category:Imran Khan family (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Family of Imran Khan
Propose renaming Category:Martin Luther King family (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Family of Martin Luther King Jr.
Propose renaming Category:Kwok Tak-seng family (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Family of Kwok Tak-seng
Propose renaming Category:Michael Landon family (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Family of Michael Landon
Propose renaming Category:Li Keqiang family (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Family of Li Keqiang
Propose renaming Category:Li Peng family (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Family of Li Peng
Propose renaming Category:Li Xiannian family (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Family of Li Xiannian
Propose renaming Category:Liu Shaoqi family (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Family of Liu Shaoqi
Propose renaming Category:Carl M. Loeb family (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Family of Carl M. Loeb
Propose renaming Category:Martin Luther family (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Family of Martin Luther
Propose renaming Category:Mao Zedong family (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Family of Mao Zedong
Propose renaming Category:Angus McDonald family of Virginia and West Virginia (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Family of Angus McDonald (Virginia militiaman)
Propose renaming Category:Franklin Pierce family (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Family of Franklin Pierce
Propose renaming Category:Charles Pratt family (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Family of Charles Pratt
Propose renaming Category:Paul Robeson family (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Family of Paul Robeson
Propose renaming Category:Sukarno family (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Family of Sukarno
Propose renaming Category:Sun Yat-sen family (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Family of Sun Yat-sen
Propose renaming Category:Hudson Taylor family (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Family of Hudson Taylor
Propose renaming Category:Zachary Taylor family (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Family of Zachary Taylor
Propose renaming Category:John Tyler family (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Family of John Tyler
Propose renaming Category:James Jefferson Webster family (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Family of J. J. Webster
Propose renaming Category:Wen Jiabao family (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Family of Wen Jiabao
Propose renaming Category:Ralph Wheelock family (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Family of Ralph Wheelock
Propose renaming Category:Stanford White family (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Family of Stanford White
Propose renaming Category:Robert White family of Virginia and West Virginia (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Family of Robert White (Virginia physician)
Propose renaming Category:Woodrow Wilson family (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Family of Woodrow Wilson
Propose renaming Category:Xi Jinping family (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Family of Xi Jinping
Propose renaming Category:Yuan Shikai family (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Family of Yuan Shikai
Propose renaming Category:Zhou Enlai family (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Family of Zhou Enlai
Propose renaming Category:Zhu De family (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Family of Zhu De
Propose renaming Category:Zhu Rongji family (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Family of Zhu Rongji

Nominator's rationale: The subcategories of Category:Families by person are inconsistently named in the forms "Full Name family" and "Family of Full Name". "Full Name family" sounds awkward and doesn't match the titles of articles, which seem to usually be in the form "Family of Full Name" (e.g. Category:Lyndon B. Johnson family vs Family of Lyndon B. Johnson). The natural way you would refer to the family of a person named John Smith is either "the family of John Smith", "John Smith's family" or "the Smith family" but never "the John Smith family". "Full Name family" also doesn't work well for people named mononymously (e.g. Category:Family of Aaron‎ vs "Aaron family") or people with titles or suffixes in their name. Following the recent CfD for Category:Family of Boris Johnson, there seemed to be consensus that "Family of Full Name" is better.

(Note there are also many other categories named in form "Surname family", e.g. the subcategories of Category:American families. The only difference with some of these full name family categories is that the surname would be too ambiguous to be used alone, although I'd argue the same is true of many of the surname family categories. Why does Category:Abbott family refer exclusively to that particular American family and not the family of former Australian prime minister Tony Abbott, for instance?) MClay1 (talk) 11:00, 2 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support (as creator of some) The subcategories of Category:Families by person are inconsistent and, while I don't have a preference for one naming format over another, the nominator does so I'll defer. (Also agree that some of the other family category names don't follow WP:GLOBAL, although how we rename them will depend on whether multiple people in the family are independently notable.) - RevelationDirect (talk) 11:09, 2 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support (as creator of the one for Muhammad Ali) per nomination, with the exception of how to handle "Surname family", which would be more complicated and deserves a separate process. Stefen Tower_{s among the rest!} ^{Gab • Gruntwerk} 17:06, 2 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, I agree. Mclay1 (talk) 08:12, 3 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support (I got pinged so I must have created some of these back in the day) Seems reasonable.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 04:19, 3 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support The scope becomes much clearer in this format. Dimadick (talk) 17:22, 3 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support per nom. Ham II (talk) 16:07, 4 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Etsu Patigi

Propose deleting Category:Etsu Patigi (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Nominator's rationale: delete, the articles already link to each other directly. No merge needed, the articles are already in Category:Nigerian traditional states and Category:Nigerian traditional rulers. Marcocapelle (talk) 10:04, 2 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Zazzau

Propose deleting Category:Zazzau (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Nominator's rationale: delete, redundant category layer with only the eponymous article and a subcategory. Marcocapelle (talk) 10:02, 2 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Brazilian Armed Forces

Propose deleting Category:Brazilian Armed Forces (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Nominator's rationale: The only article in this category is Future of the Brazilian Armed Forces, which is also in Category:Military of Brazil, to which this category is redundant. Category:Brazilian Armed Forces is also improperly categorised - its only parent is itself. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 05:44, 2 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Soft redirect to Category:Military of Brazil to aid navigation and prevent recreation. MClay1 (talk) 11:10, 2 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete or redirect as duplicate. Marcocapelle (talk) 16:29, 2 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect as duplicate. Gjs238 (talk) 15:09, 5 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment I suppose the category could be retained and a tree setup such as Category:Canadian Armed Forces Gjs238 (talk) 15:11, 5 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

August 1

Category:15th-century Polish–Lithuanian nobility

Propose deleting Category:15th-century Polish–Lithuanian nobility (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Nominator's rationale: This nation doesn't exist in the 15th-century. Per Polish–Lithuanian Commonwealth "Commonwealth was established as a single entity by the Union of Lublin on 1 July 1569." Mason (talk) 23:16, 1 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:02, 2 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Merge back to Category:15th-century nobility, as there is clearly no intention to remove the subcats from that hierarchy. – Fayenatic London 18:59, 2 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

That is a very good point. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:44, 3 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Merge to Category:15th-century nobility, as stated above. --Blowwhite ^(Talk) 16:04, 3 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Environmental parties in Hawaii

Propose merging Category:Environmental parties in Hawaii to Category:Political parties in Hawaii

Nominator's rationale: Only 2 articles, does not aid navigation. Neither party belongs in Category:Green political parties in the United States category because it either does not apply or is already in a subcategory. User:Namiba 20:18, 1 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:03, 2 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Political parties of minorities in Canada

Propose deleting Category:Political parties of minorities in Canada (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Nominator's rationale: In Canada indigenous people are not classified as minorities source Moxy🍁 19:00, 1 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

In that case, shouldn't the category be renamed rather than deleted? Marcocapelle (talk) 20:00, 1 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I guess we could use Category:Indigenous political parties in Canada as a sub group of Category:Indigenous politics in Canada. Moxy🍁 20:16, 1 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Procedural oppose. I'm not necessarily wedded to the need for this, but the stated rationale is completely off base as not everything in the category is an "indigenous" party at all — there are also Quebec sovereigntist parties, an Acadian party and a Ukrainian Canadian party in here, all of which have nothing whatsoever to do with indigenous peoples. So as constituted, the nomination is completely misconceived: it's an argument for either purging this category of the indigenous parties or splitting a new separate category off for the indigenous parties, but neither deleting this category nor renaming it would solve the problem since not everything in the category is an indigenous party at all. Bearcat (talk) 12:01, 4 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Religious buildings and structures in Yarmouth, Maine

Propose deleting Category:Religious buildings and structures in Yarmouth, Maine (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Nominator's rationale: Unnecessary category. User:Namiba 17:31, 1 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Merge to Category:Buildings and structures in Yarmouth, Maine, redundant category layer indeed. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:01, 1 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Secretaries of State for Health and Social Services

Propose renaming Category:Secretaries of State for Health and Social Services to Category:Secretaries of State for Social Services

Nominator's rationale: Although the title of the former government department was the Department of Health and Social Security, the responsible secretary of state was the 'Secretary of State for Social Services'.^[1]^[2] — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dgp4004 (talk • contribs)

Category:Scholars by subfield

Propose renaming Category:Scholars by subfield to Category:Scholars by field

Nominator's rationale: The decision several years back to rename this Category using the term "subfield" is rather perplexing. Given the contents of the Category (which are fields, not sub-fields), as well as its original name ("Scholars by specialty or field of research" - it was actually a very poor choice of words, when the obvious choice was simply "field". Not to mention that its high-level parent is Category:Categories by field, not the non-existent Category:Categories by subfield. Anomalous+0 (talk) 10:55, 1 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I am not opposing, just offering an additional alternative: Category:Scholars by subject, similar to Category:Scholars and academics by subject. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:16, 1 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Anomalous+0: a completely different direction could be that we only keep the first 8 subcats, rename the category to e.g. Category:Scholars by field and subfield and move all other subcategories to the parent category. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:48, 3 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Discotek Media

Propose deleting Category:Discotek Media (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Nominator's rationale: Non-WP:DEFINING. US company distributing Japanese content for American market, no hand in the production for these entries. --wooden superman 10:48, 1 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

We will have to apply this to other categories such as Geneon USA and Sentai Filmworks if we go though with this. NeoGeoPocketRobo (talk) 15:59, 4 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Emory and Henry College

Propose renaming Category:Emory and Henry College to Category:Emory and Henry University
Propose renaming Category:Emory and Henry College alumni to Category:Emory and Henry University alumni
Propose renaming Category:Emory and Henry College faculty to Category:Emory and Henry University faculty

Nominator's rationale: Became a university on 8/1/2024 https://wcyb.com/news/local/emory-henry-on-track-to-transition-from-college-to-university-in-august https://www.emoryhenry.edu/live/news/3145-emory-henry-trustees-vote-to-approve wizzito | say hello! 10:37, 1 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Articles requiring a direct DNB link

Propose deleting Category:Articles requiring a direct DNB link (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Nominator's rationale: This category is meant for pages that need Template:Dictionary of National Biography and might only be used by an inactive project. It seems all entries are manually placed which isn't helpful, but I also don't think this category itself is helpful. If the template is needed, just add it to the page. If the DNB link is on Wikidata is can get it automatically. There is no need for this additional tagging. Gonnym (talk) 07:38, 1 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment. This was a maintenance category for articles, and all the pages that remain in it are Talk: pages. It has therefore served its purpose, I would say. Charles Matthews (talk) 07:53, 1 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:20th-century Italian legislators

Propose deleting Category:20th-century Italian legislators (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Nominator's rationale: Duplicate category of Category:20th-century Italian politicians. Gonnym (talk) 05:51, 1 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Technically legislators is a subset of politicians, but I am not sure if it is helpful to make that distinction in categories. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:19, 1 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete – All subcategories are in Category:20th-century Italian politicians. It says it's a tracking category but that doesn't seem accurate. Mclay1 (talk) 08:10, 3 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:19th-century Italian legislators

Propose deleting Category:19th-century Italian legislators (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Nominator's rationale: Duplicate category of Category:19th-century Italian politicians. Gonnym (talk) 05:50, 1 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Same as above. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:20, 1 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete as above. Mclay1 (talk) 08:11, 3 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Decades in the Colony of Virginia

Propose renaming Category:1600s in Virginia (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:1600s in the Colony of Virginia
Propose renaming Category:1610s in Virginia (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:1610s in the Colony of Virginia
Propose renaming Category:1620s in Virginia (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:1620s in the Colony of Virginia
Propose renaming Category:1630s in Virginia (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:1630s in the Colony of Virginia
Propose renaming Category:1640s in Virginia (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:1640s in the Colony of Virginia
Propose renaming Category:1650s in Virginia (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:1650s in the Colony of Virginia
Propose renaming Category:1660s in Virginia (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:1660s in the Colony of Virginia
Propose renaming Category:1670s in Virginia (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:1670s in the Colony of Virginia
Propose renaming Category:1680s in Virginia (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:1680s in the Colony of Virginia
Propose renaming Category:1690s in Virginia (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:1690s in the Colony of Virginia
Propose renaming Category:1700s in Virginia (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:1700s in the Colony of Virginia
Propose renaming Category:1710s in Virginia (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:1710s in the Colony of Virginia
Propose renaming Category:1720s in Virginia (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:1720s in the Colony of Virginia
Propose renaming Category:1730s in Virginia (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:1730s in the Colony of Virginia
Propose renaming Category:1740s in Virginia (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:1740s in the Colony of Virginia
Propose renaming Category:1750s in Virginia (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:1750s in the Colony of Virginia
Propose renaming Category:1760s in Virginia (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:1760s in the Colony of Virginia

Nominator's rationale: Continuing from Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 July 24#Category:Decades in the Colony of Virginia where the result was to populate the tree. To allow {{YYY0s in one of the Thirteen Colonies}} and related templates to work correctly and to match the parent Category:Decades in the Colony of Virginia and related categories (such as Category:Decades in the Massachusetts Bay Colony), the decade list should be renamed. I'll be doing the Colony of Virginia in batches. Gonnym (talk) 05:45, 1 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:National Highways in China

Propose renaming Category:National Highways in China to Category:National Highways of China

Nominator's rationale: The scope of the category covers national highways of (belonging to) China, rather than those physically located in China, as evidenced by the member article China National Highway 228 (Taiwan), which is outside the area of China's de facto jurisdiction. Neutral on whether to also decapitalise, i.e. Category:National highways of China. Paul_012 (talk) 04:35, 1 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:National highways in South Korea

Propose renaming Category:National highways in South Korea to Category:National highways of South Korea

Nominator's rationale: Agreement with main article National highways of South Korea. Would be C2D but a previous CfR failed due to disagreement on other sister categories, so nominating for full discussion. Paul_012 (talk) 04:31, 1 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:National highways in Japan

Propose renaming Category:National highways in Japan to Category:National highways of Japan

Nominator's rationale: Agreement with main article National highways of Japan. Would be C2D but a previous CfR failed due to disagreement on other sister categories, so nominating for full discussion. Paul_012 (talk) 04:30, 1 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:National highways in India

Propose renaming Category:National highways in India to Category:National highways of India

Nominator's rationale: Agreement with main article National highways of India. Would be C2D but a previous CfR failed due to disagreement on other sister categories, so nominating for full discussion. Paul_012 (talk) 04:26, 1 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment, if these 4 categories are renamed it would make sense to rename the other 6 too. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:33, 1 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- I intend to eventually pursue that option, but given the previous discussion I'm opting to focus on the clearer cases first. --Paul_012 (talk) 06:19, 1 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:18th-century French politicians subcats

Propose deleting Category:18th-century French politicians subcats (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Nominator's rationale: Pointless category which duplicates Category:18th-century French politicians. Gonnym (talk) 03:45, 1 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:35, 1 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. This appears to be part of some obsolete tracking exercise. – Fayenatic London 19:34, 2 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Gonnym: there are siblings for C19, 20, 21. Category:19th-century French politicians subcats holds Category:People of the Paris Commune which is not in Category:19th-century French politicians, but the latter was intentional on the part of Asilvering, see [2]. The C19, 20 & 21 siblings can all just be deleted, so you may want to append them to this nom. – Fayenatic London 19:34, 2 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
My bad, I used hotcat for that edit and I guess it doesn't show hidden categories. I've removed it from the hidden cat now, so it's irrelevant to this discussion. -- asilvering (talk) 20:32, 2 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Regions of the Dominican Republic

Propose deleting Category:Regions of the Dominican Republic (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Nominator's rationale: Contains only the eponymous article Geographic regions of the Dominican Republic (none of the regions it lists have articles). jlwoodwa (talk) 03:40, 1 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:45, 1 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Villains in mythology and legend

Propose deleting Category:Villains in mythology and legend (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Nominator's rationale: As far as I know, "villain" is usually used in a literary context. We typically use "evil" to describe malevolent gods and there is already such a category called Category:Evil deities, making this redundant and pointless. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 05:06, 16 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose. This category is not restricted to gods or goddesses. This is supposed to be a counterpart to Category:Heroes in mythology and legend, and just as there are plenty of folklore heroes, there are folklore villains too. AHI-3000 (talk) 07:25, 16 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support, demons are deities too (deities is broader than just gods and goddesses) and that leaves only one article in the category. That article illustrates nicely how difficult it is to classify a character as villain. Marcocapelle (talk) 10:03, 16 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I don't think that demons are typically classified as being "deities" or "gods". Deities and demons can both be spirits though. AHI-3000 (talk) 01:36, 17 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Dimadick: What do you think of this? AHI-3000 (talk) 08:43, 18 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- - Oppose, in folklore there are several folk devils that can be covered. Dimadick (talk) 08:47, 18 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    - That should become part of Category:Devils which is already in this category tree. Marcocapelle (talk) 10:50, 24 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, House Blaster (talk · he/they) 01:52, 24 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep (oppose), as the old saying goes, not all mythological villains are evil gods but all mythological evil gods are villains. In other words, villains and gods do not necessarily travel in the same boat (Much ado about godding?). Randy Kryn (talk) 11:27, 25 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep and rename Category:Villains in folklore – There is room for expansion with characters from myths and folktales, e.g. Sheriff of Nottingham, that may or may not be in other villain categories. We use folklore as a broader term that also encompasses mythology and legends. MClay1 (talk) 04:53, 28 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Thoughts on renaming? (I am currently seeing consensus that the category should exist, but that can of course change.)
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, House Blaster (talk · he/they) 03:17, 1 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@MClay1: I wouldn't mind having a Category:Villains in folklore and moving villains in legends to it. But I disagree with moving evil deities and demons to it, that is really something different. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:53, 1 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Surely all evil gods are villains within the myths they featured in? MClay1 (talk) 10:50, 1 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- More broadly, I don't think ancient Roman or Germanic mythology belongs under folklore. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:22, 1 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  I disagree based on the usual definition of folklore being along the lines of "the traditional beliefs, customs, and stories of a community" (Oxford Languages). The Wikipedia article for folklore says in the lead that it includes myths, and the article for myth defines it as a genre of folklore. MClay1 (talk) 09:20, 2 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: Surely there are plenty of examples that could populate this category that are not evil deities. Looking only at Classical mythology, Antinous of Ithaca is a clear case, and the Odyssey alone offers plenty of other contenders. But there's a different problem, in that "villain" is a vague attribute that can vary depending on the story being told. Calypso (mythology) and Circe are villains in the context of the Odyssey, but does that warrant categorizing them as such? What about the figures from the Iliad, where there's no telling who's the hero and who's the villain? The concept falls apart when applied broadly, so unless the scope can be made clear-cut somehow this doesn't seem like a category that can practically be maintained. --Paul_012 (talk) 06:16, 2 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
There are plenty of stories without villains. I don't think that means we can't classify the more clear-cut examples. MClay1 (talk) 09:15, 2 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Irish blind musicians

Propose merging Category:Irish blind musicians to Category:Blind musicians and Category:Irish blind people
Propose merging Category:Irish blind harpists to Category:Irish blind people and Category:Irish harpists

Nominator's rationale: Only nationality category in Category:Blind musicians. Seems like an unnecessary intersection between nationality, musicians, and disability. Omnis Scientia (talk) 23:42, 16 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 04:52, 17 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Lean Oppose. I agree that the 3x intersection isn't really defining (although there is a section decided to Irish blind musicians Blind musicians#Traditional Irish musicians). However, the parent category is large enough to be diffused by nationality.Mason (talk) 13:29, 17 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: I will note that item 2 in the proposal is to merge the harpists category into the musicians category, but item 1 is to merge the musicians category elsewhere.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, House Blaster (talk · he/they) 01:50, 24 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, House Blaster (talk · he/they) 03:15, 1 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Omnis Scientia: see HouseBlaster's comment, it seems you need to revise the nomination one way or another. For example change the second as follows: Propose merging Category:Irish blind harpists to Category:Irish harpists and Category:Irish blind people. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:59, 1 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Marcocapelle, done. Omnis Scientia (talk) 09:41, 1 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I Strongly oppose merging Category:Irish blind musicians; given the large number of articles in Category:Blind musicians, it should in fact have a whole set of subcats by nationality.

However, I do Support merging Category:Irish blind harpists as proposed; I see no compelling reason to subdivide by instrument. Anomalous+0 (talk) 11:07, 1 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Selonia-geo-stub

Propose deleting Template:Selonia-geo-stub (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Nominator's rationale: Malformed and unused. jlwoodwa (talk) 01:48, 1 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nom. –LaundryPizza03 (d c̄) 04:15, 1 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

July 31

Category:2024 superhero films

Propose deleting Category:2024 superhero films (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Nominator's rationale: There are no similar categories for other years and superhero films are covered by a variety of other categories that make ones like this unnecessary. -- Zoo Blazer 22:25, 31 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep Nominator has not demonstrated that we shouldn't have this category. Most other genres are subdivided to the year level, and the decade-level categories are large enough to support this. –LaundryPizza03 (d c̄) 05:19, 1 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep There is no reason that we should not have superhero-films by year categories. Dimadick (talk) 06:56, 1 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment This category has been emptied. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 01:43, 2 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Now I have put 19 items here. –LaundryPizza03 (d c̄) 18:11, 2 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Women association football journalists

Propose splitting Category:Women association football journalists to Category:Association football journalists and Category:Women sports journalists

Nominator's rationale: Dual merge; three way intersection between gender, a sport, and a profession. There's no other sport specific women journalist category except this. Omnis Scientia (talk) 20:17, 31 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Dual merge, also per WP:FINALRUNG: as part of Category:Women sports journalists they will also be in subcategories of Category:Sports journalists by sport. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:01, 1 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Merge as per above. Joseph2302 (talk) 07:55, 1 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:List of cabinet templates

Propose renaming Category:List of cabinet templates to Category:Cabinet navigational boxes by country
Propose renaming Category:Cabinet templates to Category:Cabinet navigational boxes

Nominator's rationale: The first category is currently mis-named as a list. Its contents are national templates. Both only contain navigational boxes, so might as well be renamed accordingly. – Fayenatic London 16:19, 31 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Agree in principle with both of nom's points, but both categories could be named "by country". Marcocapelle (talk) 16:25, 31 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- I envisage moving the country sub-cats in the parent down into the first-nominated category, but the parent will still hold 3 pages for which there are no national sub-cats (specific cabinets of Congo, Maldives and Tunisia). – Fayenatic London 18:56, 2 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  - Fair enough. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:52, 3 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:List of place names of Choctaw origin in the United States

Convert Category:List of place names of Choctaw origin in the United States to article List of place names of Choctaw origin, or List of Choctaw-language place names

Nominator's rationale: A list would be more instructive, showing the meaning and providing citations. Compare List of Chinook Jargon place names. If not, then rename to Category:Choctaw place names, compare Category:Chinook Jargon place names. – Fayenatic London 16:11, 31 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Rename and listify per nom. –LaundryPizza03 (d c̄) 05:20, 1 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Actually I suggested two options of renaming or listifying, but of course we could indeed do both. – Fayenatic London 08:57, 1 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Boston Review people

Propose deleting Category:Boston Review people (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Propose deleting Category:FilmInk people (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Propose deleting Category:The Narwhal people (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Propose deleting Category:The Times Literary Supplement people (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Propose deleting Category:Australian Geographic people (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Propose deleting Category:Archaeology (magazine) people (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Nominator's rationale: Delete for now. Each category has less than five articles. Omnis Scientia (talk) 15:44, 31 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete, largely a matter of WP:PERFCAT. Marcocapelle (talk) 16:31, 31 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The Ordre de la Santé publique

Propose deleting Category:Recipients of the Ordre de la Santé publique
Propose deleting Category:Commanders of the Ordre de la Santé publique

Nominator's rationale: Belated follow up to Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2023 March 30#Categories of recipients of orders of merit and Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2023 March 12#Category:Recipients of the Order pro Merito Melitensi. As in the link discussions, the award is not defining (WP:NONDEF). Qwerfjkl talk 15:09, 31 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per WP:OCAWARD. Marcocapelle (talk) 16:32, 31 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Grand Palais

Propose deleting Category:Grand Palais (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Nominator's rationale: Category has only two pages and, unless someone can demonstrate that more entries belong, probably should be deleted _pbp 13:42, 31 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete, the articles are already interlinked directly. Marcocapelle (talk) 16:33, 31 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:List of association football clubs in the Republic of Ireland templates

Option A

Propose splitting Category:List of association football clubs in the Republic of Ireland templates to Category:Association football clubs in the Republic of Ireland sidebar templates and Category:Association football clubs in the Republic of Ireland navigational boxes

Option B

Propose renaming Category:List of association football clubs in the Republic of Ireland templates to Category:Association football clubs in the Republic of Ireland templates

Nominator's rationale: I came across this because it is a category whose name starts with "List of", as that is generally not an applicable name for categories. Each of the templates here is a list, but we usually describe templates listing things as WP:Navigation templates. However, Category:Wikipedia navigation templates is split at the top level into navigational boxes and sidebar templates. It would be appropriate either to do that split here, or simply to rename the category as Category:Association football clubs in the Republic of Ireland templates. – Fayenatic London 13:26, 31 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

If there is no support for a split, then Option B should go ahead by default, as removing "List of" would have qualified for speedy renaming under C2B & C2C. – Fayenatic London 18:51, 2 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Labyrinths

Propose deleting Category:Labyrinths (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Nominator's rationale: This is a combination of articles related to the Labyrinth from Greek mythology and a collection of other unrelated things that use the word labyrinth or look like a labyrinth. There is no meaningful distinction between a maze and a labyrinth to need to categorise those mazes separately, and there doesn't appear to be enough articles related to the original Labyrinth that it needs its own category. The Greek mythology articles are already connected through other Greek mythology categories. Anything inspired by the Labyrinth can go in a category such as Category:Classical mythology in popular culture. MClay1 (talk) 12:11, 31 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Selectively merge to Category:Mazes and Category:Mazes in culture, as nom says there is not a need to categorize them separately. Marcocapelle (talk) 16:40, 31 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose There are meanings of labyrininth beyond Greek mythology, and several other archaeological findings relating to them. Dimadick (talk) 06:54, 1 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
What meanings? Cambridge Dictionary says labyrinth is a synonym of maze. The Labyrinth of Minos was just the proper name of that maze, and the name gets applied to similar mazes. There are sources that say a labyrinth is different to a maze in that it has only one winding path (though that distinction is not universal), but by that definition, the Labyrinth is not a labyrinth. As it stands, the category is poorly defined, and I don't think any definition would include enough content to justify its existence. MClay1 (talk) 10:59, 1 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The ancient Labyrinth wasn't anything, it's a mythological place. It was commonly depicted as a maze with one path in antiquity, but the actual story supports multiple interpretations. – Joe (talk) 12:36, 2 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose the category needs clearing up, that's all. There are entries that don't belong in the category like Arkville Maze and Chakravyuha and there are others that do belong like Labyrinth Mountain and Labyrinth of the World and Paradise of the Heart. D.S. Lioness (talk) 17:27, 1 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@D.S. Lioness: what is different about Labyrinth Mountain and Labyrinth of the World and Paradise of the Heart except that they use the word labyrinth? Marcocapelle (talk) 06:06, 2 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It is a category for anything to do with the word Labyrinth. D.S. Lioness (talk) 17:51, 2 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
That is not a legitimate category per WP:SHAREDNAME and WP:NONDEFINING. Mclay1 (talk) 14:26, 3 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose. In modern usage there is a meaningful distinction between a maze and a labyrinth. A maze is a form of puzzle, with branching paths. A labyrinth has just one path and is used for contemplation. They're two distinct architectural forms with distinct purposes and histories. That distinction isn't very well explained in our coverage right now, but it should be. The ancient Labyrinth (which was the Labyrinth, i.e. the one the Minotaur lived in) is a third topic. I'm not quite sure how best to reflect that in categories—perhaps with Category:Labyrinths listed under Category:Mazes and Category:Labyrinth or Category:The Labyrinth for the ancient stuff?—but in any case it shouldn't be deleted. – Joe (talk) 12:29, 2 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
As I said, that distinction between maze and labyrinth is not universal, and there are not enough articles about such labyrinths to require a separate category. Looking at the current contents, only three or four of the articles are about architectural labyrinths. Mclay1 (talk) 14:34, 3 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. There does seem to be a meaningful distinction between a maze and a labyrinth, in the sense that all labyrinths can be described as mazes, but only some mazes are labyrinths: e. g. only physical or architectural mazes, in some way resembling the original. One would not normally describe a printed puzzle or a mouse maze as a labyrinth; if one does so, it is a metaphor presumably referring back to the Labyrinth, unless some other use can be demonstrated. Thus labyrinths seem to form a valid subcategory within mazes. P Aculeius (talk) 12:08, 6 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Hamadryad

Propose merging Category:Hamadryad to Category:Dryads

Nominator's rationale: Upmerge. There aren't many dryads with articles to make it worthwhile to subcategorise them into what specific type of dryad they are. This category doesn't intersect with any others so it doesn't aid navigation to have it as an additional layer. (If kept, it should be renamed Category:Hamadryads.) MClay1 (talk) 09:56, 31 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 11:24, 31 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Merge per nom. D.S. Lioness (talk) 17:28, 1 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Battles involving the Charanas

Propose deleting Category:Battles involving the Charanas (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Nominator's rationale: The category is based on caste of India, they have added article even if one person named Charan is in battle, such category can't be allowed, the main Caterogy Category:Battles involving India does not have any such caste specific battles Jethwarp (talk) 09:48, 31 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete, Charanas are listed as belligerents in neither of the three articles. Marcocapelle (talk) 11:23, 31 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Korean independence activists

Propose renaming Category:Korean independence activists to Category:Activists for Korean independence

Nominator's rationale: rename, in the current name it is unclear whether "Korean" refers to independence or to activists. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:53, 31 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Rename per nom. Omnis Scientia (talk) 20:41, 31 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Rename per nom 104.232.119.107 (talk) 21:13, 31 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Mild oppose, I don't see the need for clarification. Can't independence activists be assumed to belong to the relevant territory before it was a country? – Fayenatic London 21:35, 31 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
There were non-Korean activists. Category:Foreign supporters of Korean independence; this cat will be a child cat of the renamed cat 104.232.119.107 (talk) 21:49, 31 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Ah, thanks, I understand now. But IMHO it's already clear enough that the category is about Korean independence, not Korean activists. – Fayenatic London 18:49, 2 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I could go either way honestly; @Smasongarrison described it as confusing, and I can understand why, but the confusion impact for most people I think will be low; "Korean independence activist" is almost universally the phrase used to describe such people. seefooddiet (talk) 07:05, 5 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Rename. I think that the rename would make it more easily distinguished, so that it's clear that we're talking about the cause, not the nationality. Individually the name as is would be fine. However, I think that it can easily get lumped in with other Korean activists categories where those categories are explicitly about nationality. Mason (talk) 20:37, 5 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Question: is this a test nomination, to be followed by a full listing of all subcats of Category:Independence activists by nationality? – Fayenatic London 21:35, 31 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Fayenatic london: the nomination was triggered by the existence of subCategory:Foreign supporters of Korean independence. I hadn't considered a broader nomination yet, as the reason for the nomination is local. But if this goes ahead a broader nomination is probably useful anyway. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:28, 1 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Broken Sword games

Propose merging Category:Broken Sword games to Category:Broken Sword

Nominator's rationale: Same logic with Monkey Island. The parent category currently contains only 2 articles. And if we merge, we'll get a total of just 9 articles. It makes navigation easier, but we also have to move all of this category's subcategories manually, because the bot doesn't do that. QuantumFoam66 (talk) 20:08, 18 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Merge per nom. GLTPRE (talk) 05:10, 19 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose, this merge would remove the content from the video games tree. It is rather Category:Broken Sword that should be nominated. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:54, 19 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
what do you mean by "remove the content from the Video games tree" QuantumFoam66 (talk) 20:28, 19 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose Period, valid subcategorization scheme. Simple size is no longer an argument due to the deprecation of SMALLCAT, one has to prove that the parent is well and truly unnecessary and there is an article there that isn't about one of the games. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 19:58, 19 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment I can't really understand what you mean, but I think you're saying when I make these kinds nominations I apparently have to do it the other way around. I guess. There are only nine articles overall anyway, so do you still want a merge to be done? QuantumFoam66 (talk) 20:23, 19 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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Nominating Category:Broken Sword is a better idea to move forward. Marcocapelle (talk) 11:36, 31 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:People executed by British North America by hanging

Propose renaming Category:People executed by British North America by hanging to Category:People executed in British North America by hanging.

Nominator's rationale: There was no central government of British North America; it was a collection of British colonies. The use of "by" suggests that the individual was hanged by the government of British North America. Changing it to "in" leaves it open which colonial government in BNA was responsible for the hanging. Mr Serjeant Buzfuz (talk) 02:02, 23 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Relisting comment: I will tag the category.
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Rename per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 11:38, 31 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Rename per nom. Omnis Scientia (talk) 15:50, 31 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Rename per nom. D.S. Lioness (talk) 17:30, 1 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

July 30

Misused header templates for establishments and disestablishments categories

Propose deleting Category:Misused header templates for establishments and disestablishments categories (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Propose deleting Category:DisestcatCountry used in establishments category (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Propose deleting Category:DisestcatCountry used inappropriately (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Propose deleting Category:EstcatCountry used in disestablishments category (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Propose deleting Category:EstcatCountry used inappropriately (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Nominator's rationale: Tracking categories for {{EstcatCountry}} and {{DisestcatCountry}} which are not actually used by either template, or anywhere for that matter. (See insource search) If kept rename to "[Dis]estcatCountry" to "[Dis]establishment category by country" per the corresponding template names. House Blaster (talk · he/they) 22:57, 30 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Human life scientists and Indian human life scientists

Delete categories Category:Human life scientists and Category:Indian human life scientists with only one member Alex Mathew who is included in the category Category:Indian scientists (but is he is a scientist?).Hugo999 (talk) 22:45, 30 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nom. Also, remove the article from several other scientist categories. As far as I can see in the article, Alex Mathew was not occupied as a scientist. Initially I thought well at least he may have been a writer, but there is no information about publications either. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:44, 31 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Members of the Harveian Society of Edinburgh

Propose renaming Category:Former members of the Harveian Society of Edinburgh to Category:Members of the Harveian Society of Edinburgh
Propose renaming Category:List of Office Bearers of the Harveian Society of Edinburgh and Harveian Orations to Category:Office bearers of the Harveian Society of Edinburgh

Nominator's rationale: There is no need to distinguish current and former members in categorising biographies. Although there is a supporting page List of Office Bearers of the Harveian Society of Edinburgh and Harveian Orations, the office-bearers category should describe itself rather than following that page name. – Fayenatic London 21:39, 30 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Note: I have re-parented the categories so that Members is now the parent of Office bearers; it was the other way around. – Fayenatic London 21:51, 30 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Rename, There is no need to distinguish current and former members in categorising biographies and the other category is a category containing biographies, not a list. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:47, 31 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Korean women independence activists

Propose renaming Category:Korean women independence activists to Category:Women Korean independence activists

Nominator's rationale: I'm the creator of the category now on an IP. I originally created the cat under the target name, but it was speedy renamed a while back. I think the new name is either incorrect or confusingly worded. My original scope for the category was "Women who advocated for Korea's independence", not "Korean women who advocated for independence". There were several non-Korean women in the category at time of renaming. 104.232.119.107 (talk) 12:39, 21 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Smasongarrison Courtesy tagging the prev renamer; please lmk if my interpretation of the new name is incorrect 104.232.119.107 (talk) 12:41, 21 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose rename and Propose splitting to Korean women independence activists and Women activists for Korean independence. Clearly, the original name was confusing as it could be interpretated as either. Mason (talk) 14:26, 21 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support this proposal. 104.232.119.107 (talk) 14:42, 21 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

For foreign activists, why would we make a distinction by gender? Marcocapelle (talk) 15:11, 21 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Marco makes a good point. I am not familiar with the literature/history of women's activism on this issue. IP, can you point to literature on this subject? Either way, I think that "Activists for Korean independence" is clearer.Mason (talk) 16:54, 21 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I'm a newbie to category naming discussions, so not sure what kind of info is helpful. My quick hand count on South Korea's database of activists who received awards has 7 female non-Korean activists for Korean independence, although I know of maybe 1-2 others who haven't received awards and the number keeps expanding. For foreign activists for Korean independence of any gender, there are around 70-90ish commonly recognized I think. I'd prefer a single category for women activists for Korean independence of any nationality and not a split.

Also, I'm not sure how much WP:COMMONNAME is typically weighed for categories. "Activists for Korean independence" is a less common wording than "Korean independence activist" [3], although it is possibly clearer. SK has an "independence activist of the month" program [4]. 104.232.119.107 (talk) 20:33, 21 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Please review Wikipedia:PEOPLECAT. The issue isn't common name, the issue is whether the category's intersection is defining. Given what the IP has written, I don't think the intersection between gender and specific independence cause is defining. I've personally been on the fence if we should even have gendered independence activists. Mason (talk) 01:30, 28 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Smasongarrison: let's then modify your split proposal to targets Category:Korean women independence activists (for now) and Category:Activists for Korean independence (ungendered). Marcocapelle (talk) 05:32, 28 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I don't support this; neither category meets the intended scope of the original category. What I'd support is Category:Women activists for Korean independence and no split. Also, Category:Korean independence activists should then be renamed Category:Activists for Korean independence. 104.232.119.107 (talk) 06:43, 28 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
IP, You *really* need to read Wikipedia:PEOPLECAT, so that you can make effective counter arguments. Mason (talk) 14:55, 28 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I read it when it was linked, no need to be condescending. I don't agree with keeping Category:Korean women independence activists, I don't see what the point of it is. If it resulted from a confusion and no longer aligns with the original scope of the category, what is it even defining anymore? And what's the difference between Category:Activists for Korean independence and Category:Korean independence activists? The latter is supposed to be the scope for the former; it contains non-Korean activists. 104.232.119.107 (talk) 15:54, 28 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Well, your responses didn't indicate that you had. If you don't see what the point of the gendered category, then what are you arguing for? You nominated Category:Korean women independence activists for renaming, so we're discussing the merits of the category. Mason (talk) 22:27, 30 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

If it's believed gender isn't defining for independence activists, I'd support a merge between Category:Korean women independence activists and Category:Korean independence activists, then renaming the category to Category:Activists for Korean independence. 104.232.119.107 (talk) 16:06, 28 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I support Marco's alterative split. Thanks! Mason (talk) 14:54, 28 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I am not sure if Category:Korean independence activists needs to be renamed/merged to Category:Activists for Korean independence. The former would be for Korean nationals, the latter also for foreign activists. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:40, 29 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep in mind Category:Foreign supporters of Korean independence already exists.
- I'm not sure if we need a category for people of Korean ethnicity that were activists for the independence of an unspecified area. Koreans haven't previously or recently been known for advocating for anywhere's independence but their own.
- Also, going through with your proposal means that pages will need to be recategorized, as they no longer match the intended scope.
- For whether we need a split category at all for women, I'd actually argue being a female activist for the independence of Korea is defining. Their gender is frequently highlighted. Think about how many "American women that participated in the American Revolution" articles/books exist; similar for Korea. Examples: [5][6][7] (following in Korean, and by the South Korean government)[8][9].
104.232.119.107 (talk) 07:23, 29 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Given what Marco has written and the ip, I think that the solution is to merge the category entirely. Mason (talk) 22:29, 30 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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I have nominated Category:Korean independence activists for renaming. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:55, 31 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:The Black Parade

Propose deleting Category:The Black Parade (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Nominator's rationale: Songs aren't usually categorized by the album they are on, and there is precedent to suggest this is overcategorization, since the songs will be listed in the article for the album and the songs category for the artist (see CfD for The Unforgettable Fire and Cfd for Abbey Road). Removing the songs leaves one other article and four redirects, which are categorized under Category:My Chemical Romance albums or its subcats. Starcheerspeaksnewslostwars^{Talk to me} 19:15, 30 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:56, 31 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Professional wrestling in Richfield Township, Summit County, Ohio

Propose merging Category:Professional wrestling in Richfield Township, Summit County, Ohio to Category:Professional wrestling shows in Ohio and Category:Richfield Township, Summit County, Ohio

Nominator's rationale: Only 3 articles, does not aid navigation. User:Namiba 15:58, 30 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Baen Books available as e-books

Propose deleting Category:Baen Books available as e-books (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Nominator's rationale: Not WP:DEFINING. It's like having a category Category:Albums available on CD or Category:TV series available on DVD --wooden superman 14:52, 30 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nom. –LaundryPizza03 (d c̄) 19:23, 30 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:57, 31 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:History of Northern Nigeria

Propose splitting Category:History of Northern Nigeria to Category:Northern Nigeria Protectorate and Category:Northern Region, Nigeria

Nominator's rationale: split, this is a rather odd category because we have neither an article Northern Nigeria nor a Category:Northern Nigeria. We do have articles Northern Nigeria Protectorate and Northern Region, Nigeria so the proposal is to split the category in the same manner as the articles. Everything that fits neither can be dispersed to the tree of Category:History of Nigeria as appropriate. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:42, 30 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Ohinoyi of Ebiraland

Propose deleting Category:Ohinoyi of Ebiraland (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Nominator's rationale: delete, category contains only two articles which is not very helpful for navigation, the two articles are already directly interlinked and they are also both in Category:Nigerian traditional rulers. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:17, 30 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Rice genetics

Propose merging Category:Rice genetics to Category:Rice

Nominator's rationale: Single-article category –LaundryPizza03 (d c̄) 04:59, 30 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Merge, this is not helpful for navigation. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:44, 30 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Expressways

Propose merging Category:Expressways to Category:Limited-access roads by country and Category:Limited-access roads
Propose merging Category:Expressways in Canada to Category:Limited-access roads in Canada

Nominator's rationale: Both Category:Expressways and Category:Limited-access roads claim to cover limited-access roads, so they are covering the exact same topic. The term "expressway" is ambiguous as it can either refer to limited-access roads or controlled-access highways, so it is better to have Category:Limited-access roads and Category:Controlled-access highways as categories rather than using the term "expressway" for either. – BrandonXLF (talk) 04:47, 30 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Merge per nom. Note that Category:Expressways in the Netherlands contains only one article because all other articles about limited-access roads are in Category:Provincial roads in the Netherlands. I think some further cleanup is needed here. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:53, 30 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Fictional robbers

Propose merging Category:Fictional robbers to Category:Fictional thieves
Propose merging Category:Fictional female robbers to Category:Fictional female thieves

Nominator's rationale: There is very little to distinguish thieves from robbers, both of which have the exact same connotation with one being a subgroup of the other. Given the huge overlap, given that many fictional thieves also engage in robbery, this newly created category should be merged back as overcategorization. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 10:47, 11 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Weak Merge and redirect. I have added the subcat for females to this nomination, as it would made no sense to keep that without this parent. – Fayenatic London 12:15, 11 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Fayenatic london: People should also add their opinion on Category:Fictional pirates and Category:Fictional female pirates being a subcategory. It formerly wasn't, because... duh, but AHI added the parent category. Needless to say, pirates are not always thieves and any pirates who are also thieves should be added to both categories. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 12:44, 11 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The same applies to Category:Pirates. The article Piracy starts "Piracy is an act of robbery…" so I think the sub-catting must continue. – Fayenatic London 17:04, 11 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Fayenatic london: fictional pirates may be heroes rather than thieves. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:17, 12 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Real life pirates likewise may be viewed as heroes and thieves by different people. Francis Drake is a hero to English kids but un pirata to Spaniards. But if they take property from others without consent, it's correct to place them within the hierarchy of Theft. – Fayenatic London 08:13, 12 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment, inclusion of bandits may be even more questionable than pirates. I do not have an opinion about the merge itself. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:15, 11 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Banditry is within Robbery – both conceptually and by current categorisation – so I don't understand the objections here. – Fayenatic London 08:13, 12 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  - @Fayenatic london: I think that banditry should be above robbery and murder. Marcocapelle (talk) 03:30, 13 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    - I disagree, and don't understand why you would think that. Most murderers are not bandits. – Fayenatic London 07:06, 13 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep but containerize, that will take away the overlap too, while the tree in fiction still mirrors the real life tree. Marcocapelle (talk) 03:45, 13 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- I would not object to keeping it, but see no point in containerising it. The mugger Joe Chill has been added, which is helpful, as he is plainly a robber. – Fayenatic London 07:06, 13 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per Marco, but disagree about containerizing. AHI-3000 (talk) 06:52, 16 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Artists from New Spain

Propose deleting Category:Artists from New Spain (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Nominator's rationale: Non of the people in here are described as being New Spanish. I think that this kind of category could work as a parent/container category, but I don't see how it's helpful to bundle such disparate people together Mason (talk) 18:13, 14 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

They do not seem very disparate, most of them lived not too far from Mexico City, the capital of New Spain. And even if they would live far away from the capital, is that a problem? Marcocapelle (talk) 19:11, 14 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
New Spain is such a broad area over a huge period of time. Wouldn't it make more sense to have this as a parent category for Category:16th-century Mexican artists etc instead? Mason (talk) 03:35, 16 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Russia is a big country too and it has existed for a long time too. Is that a problem? Of course I wouldn't object to subcategories based on administrative subdivisions, but I am not sure if Mexico was one. At least there were the Captaincy General of Guatemala, the Captaincy General of Yucatán, and the three big Caribbean islands each were their own captaincy general. Marcocapelle (talk) 10:31, 16 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  I think that the British Empire is a better comparison than Russia. New Spain is an empire that as far as I can tell isn't something people are defined by. In comparison, being Russian is someone people are regularly defined by.I don't tend to see people described as Artists from New Spain, but I do see things about Artists from Russia. *shrug* I just don't think that this category is helpful for navigation without child categories. Mason (talk) 22:23, 30 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Scottish noblewomen

Propose renaming Category:Scottish noblewomen to Category:Scottish women by rank

Nominator's rationale: I think we should rename and purge this category to mirror British women by rank and English women by rank Mason (talk) 16:46, 14 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This would be inconsistent with parent Category:Scottish nobility. Marcocapelle (talk) 04:31, 15 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
But there's no other noblewomen categories Mason (talk) 03:36, 16 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- I'd be curious to know why not. If existing I probably wouldn't consider nominating Category:Noblewomen for renaming or merging. Marcocapelle (talk) 10:37, 16 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  If there was a whole tree I'd be in support of keeping it. But it seems to me that in isolation we should at least have it mirror the existing categories. Mason (talk) 23:19, 22 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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There appears to be Category:Women nobility. Suggest renaming the English and Scottish category to mirror that one. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:21, 23 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:American high school teachers

Propose merging Category:American high school teachers to Category:American schoolteachers

Nominator's rationale: Do we really need to diffuse by level of educator? Do we have middle school, elementary school? This just doesn't need to be very defining Mason (talk) 19:46, 14 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

If merged then disperse in the tree of Category:American schoolteachers by state or territory. Marcocapelle (talk) 04:22, 15 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep education varies significantly depending on the level one teaches. Secondary education is different from primary education. Moreover, this is a subcategory Category:Secondary education in the United States, the existence of which demonstrates the differences.--User:Namiba 12:59, 17 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep per Namiba. Omnis Scientia (talk) 14:56, 22 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep per Namiba --Asmodea Oaktree (talk) 11:50, 6 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Writers from the Thirteen Colonies

Propose merging Category:Writers from the Thirteen Colonies to Category:American colonial writers
Propose merging Category:Printers from the Thirteen Colonies to Category:Colonial American printers
Propose merging Category:Merchants from the Thirteen Colonies to Category:Colonial American merchants

Nominator's rationale: Overlapping categories. In each case, the merge target is much much older. A category rename or a cfd would have been a better approach than creating duplicate categories. Mason (talk) 03:17, 30 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Merge per nom, but immediately rename the targets back to Thirteen Colonies, per Category:People of the Thirteen Colonies. Otherwise people from New Spain or New France might be added to the category. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:59, 30 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I'm fine with merge and rename as long as in the end, we have a redirect pointing from Category:Colonial American FOO to Category:FOO from the Thirteen Colonies. That'll ensure that the category header templates can figure out what's happened and keep Category:17th-century American merchants as a child of Category:Merchants from the Thirteen Colonies. Mason (talk) 22:18, 30 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:English expatriates in the Thirteen Colonies

Propose deleting Category:English expatriates in the Thirteen Colonies (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Nominator's rationale: The only category member is described as a "colonist in the short-lived Saybrook Colony", which by definition is isn't an expatriate Mason (talk) 03:22, 30 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:59, 30 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: This page has been nominated quite a few times; see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2023 October 11#Category:People from the Kingdom of England in the Thirteen Colonies. — Qwerfjkl talk 14:01, 30 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I guess with the old name the category was populated very well, that is now no longer the case. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:11, 1 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:19th-century British biblical scholars

Propose merging Category:19th-century British biblical scholars to Category:British biblical scholars and Category:19th-century British writers
Propose merging Category:19th-century Austrian biblical scholars to Category:19th-century biblical scholars and Category:Austrian biblical scholars

Nominator's rationale: isolated underpopulated categories. I don't think that we need to diffused at the intersection of nationality and century Mason (talk) 21:45, 22 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete Austria with only one article and the subject was no longer living in Austria when becoming a biblical scholar. Neutral about the British one. Marcocapelle (talk) 22:03, 22 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Relisting comment: Delete the Austria one? (Not seeing objections to merging the British one.)
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I'm fine with deletion. Mason (talk) 03:24, 30 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:16th-century Peruvian poets

Propose merging Category:16th-century Peruvian poets to Category:16th-century poets

Nominator's rationale: Upmerge for now. The only page in this category is an organization, not individual biographies Mason (talk) 01:43, 30 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Habbo

Propose deleting Category:Habbo (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Nominator's rationale: This category is not that helpful. It only contains the main subject, the company that owns Habbo and the guy who created it. Pretty pointless, all two other articles can easily be found on the Habbo article itself... QuantumFoam66 (talk) 01:30, 30 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:02, 30 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Martial arts medalists for Iran

Propose merging Category:Martial arts medalists for Iran to Category:Martial arts medalists

Nominator's rationale: Category created by a banned user, as well as a redundant/non-defining category. (here the category includes any medalist, not a specific medal) Mason (talk) 00:13, 30 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Smasongarrison: don't you mean delete, instead of rename? The rationale sounds as one for deletion. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:05, 30 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Lol, I did mean merge, but to a different merge target. I meant Iranian martial artists, because I wasn't sure whether the creator had moved people into the category or merely added everyone to it. A spot check seemed to indicate that they'd merely been added to the category, but I didn't check all 205 of them. Mason (talk) 22:12, 30 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Ok, support alt merge to Category:Iranian martial artists. We do not need unspecified medalists categories. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:07, 31 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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^ Richard Crossman, Secretary of State for Social Services (24 October 1968). "SECRETARY OF STATE for SOCIAL SERVICES". Parliamentary Debates (Hansard). Parliament of the United Kingdom: House of Commons. col. 1609. The House will notice that my title is wider than that of the proposed new Department. This is in recognition of the fact, as the Prime Minister mentioned in the House last week, that I have been asked to continue my coordination of the whole range of social services, in addition to my responsibility for the new Department.
^ "Records created or inherited by the Department of Health and Social Security and related bodies". The National Archives. Retrieved 1 August 2024. Following the report of the Committee on the Home Civil Service (Fulton Committee), the Department of Health and Social Security (DHSS) was created in November 1968. It was formed by the merger of the Ministry of Health and the Ministry of Social Security under a Secretary of State for Social Services. The Secretary of State was assisted by two ministers of state responsible for health and social security respectively; in 1976 a Minister of Social Security of Cabinet rank was appointed within the department.

[1] Richard Crossman, Secretary of State for Social Services (24 October 1968). "SECRETARY OF STATE for SOCIAL SERVICES". Parliamentary Debates (Hansard). Parliament of the United Kingdom: House of Commons. col. 1609. The House will notice that my title is wider than that of the proposed new Department. This is in recognition of the fact, as the Prime Minister mentioned in the House last week, that I have been asked to continue my coordination of the whole range of social services, in addition to my responsibility for the new Department.

[2] "Records created or inherited by the Department of Health and Social Security and related bodies". The National Archives. Retrieved 1 August 2024. Following the report of the Committee on the Home Civil Service (Fulton Committee), the Department of Health and Social Security (DHSS) was created in November 1968. It was formed by the merger of the Ministry of Health and the Ministry of Social Security under a Secretary of State for Social Services. The Secretary of State was assisted by two ministers of state responsible for health and social security respectively; in 1976 a Minister of Social Security of Cabinet rank was appointed within the department.

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