Panel: Web Standards: Myths and Realities at Data 2.0 Summit

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Robertson Workshop Room, Mission Bay Conference Center, 1675 Owens St., San Francisco, CA
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Panel: Web Standards: Myths and Realities at Data 2.0 Summit
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http://microformats.org/wiki/events/2013-04-30-data-2-summit
http://lanyrd.com/2013/dataweeksf/scgctf/
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http://data2summit.com/
http://lanyrd.com/2013/dataweeksf
http://plancast.com/p/gvsw/data-20-summit-2013
https://etherpad.mozilla.org/data2

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While some web protocols and standards make the world wide web possible, other web and data standards are seen my innovators and hackers as the unrealistic expectations of a committee. History shows that effective standards arise from cooperative organizations, general grassroots hacker adoption, and large companies aiming to acquire market share for a technology. Where have web standards outpaced the market's willingness to adopt universal methods, and where is there true demand for the coordination of new web standards?

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Questions:

From Geoff:

  • Where do web standards come from?
  • What is the optimal life cycle? Hackers self-organize? Organizational body approves it? What is the optimal process for a web standard to come about? What stops that process?
  • How is your organization pursuing standards toward what goals?
    • Mozilla: openness, user choice, user empowerment

More from the audience:

  • Q: Do you think data portability and openness can be forced upon companies by governments or public pressure?
    • A: Today both Posterous and Upcoming.org are shutting down today. All those links will be lost, like tears in the rain (paraphrasing a Blade Runner quote).
    • A: Data.gov is best published with microformats so that search engines like Blekko can index it and make it useful.
  • Q: What do you think about JSON-LD and what do you think the relation between Microformats 2.0 and JSON-LD is? Are they sisters, complementary, different faces of the same thing, what? There's also HAL(http://stateless.co/hal_specification.html) which is like in the middle.
    • A: "We're probably not going to be in a linked data world, where everything has a standard ontology, geocoded object, data in a column, merged into another. It's an ideal, but not likely to live in that world."
    • A: "No one really seems to care about JSON-LD."
  • Q: Mozilla is pushing persona in a consumer-first (consumer == web programmers here) way with a js polyfill, is this the future of web standards?
    • A: I like it, it takes the MVP approach of a startup to a web protocol.
    • A: "Not a novel approach, but an excellent approach. Reference implementation, they wrote code first. I like that appraoch the most in general."
    • A: Identity is a challenging space. Many proprietary approaches: Facebook connect, Twitter sign-in, Google sign-in. OpenID tried in that space and took off somewhat, but seems to have slumped. Persona is one possible open approach, hopefully it will succeed.
  • Q:Do you think a GNU like license agreement can be used to encourage linked/semantic data consumers to publish their generated data in the same accesible format?
    • A: Hell no, because this data is not copyrightable.
  • Q: Batman vs. Ironman?
    • A: Ironman!

Other questions:

  • Q: How do you guys feel about putting more power in the hands of consumers/users, and what do you think about letting them create their own web standards, per user, per necessity? Basically, allowing them to manipulate data or pages based on their needs. How do you build systems that allow for more customization?
  • Q: why not publish a page on Blekko, Common Crawl that would allow people to see when their metadata is lacking OR when they would place higher if they had correct metadata. You could post a page with the top 1000 websites that could improve their metadata.

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