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Los Angeles Fires: "Apocalyptic Destruction"

Los Angeles continues to burn. (WSJ, free link). I hope the insurance companies have enough money to pay all the homeowner and commercial claims. The damage is devastating:

Economic losses from the blazes have been estimated at tens of billions of dollars. Tens of thousands of people were displaced, roughly 33,000 acres were aflame and more than 200,000 were without power across the wider Los Angeles area. More than 360,000 people are under mandatory evacuation orders, said Robert Fenton, Jr., a regional administrator at the Federal Emergency Management Agency.

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President Joe Biden promised the feds would pick up a big part of the repair bills:

[Biden said Thursday] that the federal government will cover 100% of the disaster response for 180 days, up from the 75% it usually covers.

“I told the governor and local officials, spare no expense to do what they need to do and contain these fires,” said Biden. The funds will cover expenses such as debris removal, temporary shelters and first responder salaries, he said.

According to NBC News, more than 180,000 people have been ordered to evacuate and the fires have destroyed 46 square miles. The article includes haunting, blown up photos of some of the damage, which it calls "apocalyptic".

Why hasn't Donald Trump gone to Southern California to view the damage? Or sent Don Jr., who made a trip to Greenland last week. (Trump Jr. said it was a private day trip and he didn't meet with officials. The Danish prime minister says Greenland is not for sale.

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    by CaptHowdy on Fri Jan 17, 2025 at 08:02:10 AM EST
    extremely blessed to have not been severely impacted, and my family and I are all safe.

    There is so much finger pointing going on now. It's really sad, although not unexpected.

    Here is a voice of reason.

    So glad (5.00 / 2) (#19)
    by KeysDan on Fri Jan 17, 2025 at 04:51:44 PM EST
    to learn that you and family are safe. Yes, voices of reason are, unfortunately, a needed antidote to the misinformation and disinformation that only worsens an already tragic circumstance.

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    Thanks Dan. (5.00 / 2) (#21)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Sat Jan 18, 2025 at 11:20:24 AM EST
    This of the Eaton fire (none / 0) (#1)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Jan 10, 2025 at 04:43:40 PM EST
    Agree, and here's one (none / 0) (#2)
    by Jeralyn on Fri Jan 10, 2025 at 05:57:17 PM EST
    by the same company of the Altadena fire.

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    That's the same one (none / 0) (#3)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Jan 10, 2025 at 06:05:51 PM EST
    I think?

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    I might (none / 0) (#4)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Jan 10, 2025 at 06:06:16 PM EST
    Have the name wrong

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    Correct (none / 0) (#6)
    by BGinCA on Sat Jan 11, 2025 at 06:40:16 PM EST
    The Eaton fire -named after the canyon in north Altadena leading int the Angeles National Forest.
    I've been evacuated from my home in Pasadena. My house still stands but so many friends have lost theirs. Just devastating

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    All so tragic. (5.00 / 3) (#7)
    by KeysDan on Sat Jan 11, 2025 at 08:41:58 PM EST
    Stay safe.

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    are you there now? (5.00 / 2) (#9)
    by Jeralyn on Wed Jan 15, 2025 at 01:51:36 PM EST
    BG, that's awful.
    So sorry for you.

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    Home (5.00 / 3) (#11)
    by BGinCA on Thu Jan 16, 2025 at 09:43:09 AM EST
    Home now. Some Smoke damage . Water and power back on. Lots of wind damage. Was able to build a Corsi-Rosenthal air purifier. Just feel so fortunate compared to the thousands who have lost their homes. I know it is easy to criticize and point fingers, but from where I'm looking the people who are fighting this blaze have done a heroic job. It is unimaginable to be fighting a fire in winds with gusts up to 100mph. Cleanup has begun and considering the fire is still going I'd say great progress is being made.
    Altadena was a special town with many homes over 100 years old.
    Many families have been there for several generations. Lots of small family owned businesses and a small artists colony.
    Just tragic.


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    Good to hear you are ok (5.00 / 1) (#12)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Jan 16, 2025 at 07:14:24 PM EST
    When I lived there I lived in a very fire danger area.  Take a look on Google Earth how close I was to the brambles.

    10111 Breida Ave
    Tujunga CA

    I loved the area. The house was a little box but it had asbestos shingles.

    I bought it in 2000 a sold it a few years later. Fire was not as much of a problem then it seems  


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    PS (5.00 / 1) (#13)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Jan 16, 2025 at 07:18:00 PM EST
    if you do look oh GE the whole center of that block was my private back yard.

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    Yes, Altadena was very special. (none / 0) (#15)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Fri Jan 17, 2025 at 03:28:56 AM EST
    The town has a very large Black population. 60-100 years ago, Pasadena and other foothill municipalities had redlining policies which discouraged Black folks from being able to live there. Glendale went even further and banned Black people outright from owning property in that town. Black people whose properties were seized by eminent domain during the freeway construction boom settled in Altadena, which was only 4% Black in 1960, but 43% by 1980.

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    Wierd, wiki says this: (none / 0) (#17)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Fri Jan 17, 2025 at 01:39:30 PM EST
    The 2020 United States census reported that Altadena had a population of 42,846.

    The racial makeup of Altadena in the year 2020 was (53.2%) White
    (41.2% Non-Hispanic White),
    (19.7%) African American,
    (0.6%) Native American,
    (5.2%) Asian,
    (0.1%) Pacific Islander, and
    (6.9%) from two or more races.



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    I said 4% in 1960 and 43% in 1980 - not 2020. (5.00 / 2) (#20)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Fri Jan 17, 2025 at 07:08:05 PM EST
    From BlackPast.org:

    "Unlike other communities that saw an influx of African Americans accompanied by significant white flight, Altadena adapted to the changing demographics while maintaining its unique character. As late as 1970, the town was 68% percent white. By 1980, the percentage of Blacks in the population peaked at 43%. Since then, it declined to 31%, and by 2020, it was 18%. The white population in 2020 was 46%, and Asian Americans and Latinos, almost all of whom have arrived since the 1990s, comprised most of the remainder of the community." (Emphasis is mine.)

    Aloha.

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    The video of them (none / 0) (#5)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Jan 10, 2025 at 06:09:14 PM EST
    abandoning their vehicles and running and later the (mostly expensive) vehicles being dozed out of the road was about the most apocalyptic thing I've seen on TV.

    It's like watching Lahaina on steroids. (5.00 / 4) (#8)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Tue Jan 14, 2025 at 06:53:19 AM EST
    My brother and his wife are staying at my mother's house in the Hastings Ranch area of Pasadena because neighboring Sierra Madre - where they just moved to three weeks ago from Burbank - is under a mandatory evacuation order and the power is turned off. My aunt has been likewise displaced and is staying at my cousin's house in Silverlake. My former mother-in-law, 91 years old, lost her house in Altadena and is staying with a daughter in Long Beach.

    And here we are out here, 2,400 miles away in Hilo, and I've never felt so powerless to do anything. I was going to fly over to L.A. but my mother said no, I'd just be another person in the house and neighborhood waiting for the all-clear signal.

    Heartbreaking. Pasadena was my childhood hometown, a place I just took for granted as permanent and we came so close to losing it all. Most of neighboring Altadena is in ruins. Old St. Luke's Hospital where I was born was scorched and will likely have to be torn down. St. Elizabeth's Catholic Church and School, which I attended until 6th grade, barely survived; the firestorm stopped across the street. The Pasadena Jewish Temple on Altadena Drive, which celebrated its centennial anniversary last year, was burned down to the foundation.

    It's really going to hurt when I return and see the destruction for myself, rather than on TV.

    Aloha.

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    Donald (none / 0) (#10)
    by Jeralyn on Wed Jan 15, 2025 at 02:53:44 PM EST
    that's amazing that so many of your relatives are in the paths of the fires. I agree with your mom that it is better if you not go -- the air is terrible between the chemicals in the fire retardant and the smoke. There's also pink all over from the stuff the planes eject.

    Malibu looks like Desolation Row. I  have been to Santa Monica several times but not Malibu. (I never knew the houses were so close together.)

    I was reading this article about David Geffin selling his 85 million house there and forgot about it. A few hours later, I went on Zillow to look at the homes in Malibu this one at 27832 Pacific Coast Highway popped up for $85 million. These pictures of it are really beautiful. It has five structures, mature olive trees and a tennis court. It isn't gaudy, it seems like a home you'd find in Greece. I tried to see who owned it, but all I found was that an 87 and 88 year old couple live there. I hope they got out. I can't tell if the house burned down.

    In addition to the emotional toll of losing your home, the insurance headaches and time it will take to get approvals, I can't help but think of the realtors and brokers who had houses in the area for sale. They will get nothing, their entire inventory's in Palisades and Malibu will be wiped out. I watch Million Dollar Los Angeles so i have seen so many of these houses. Some are just cookie cutter brand new boxes with lavish stone countertops and floors from Italy and wine rooms and steam rooms etc. The homeowners employ a lot of people to take care of the houses, gardeners, house-cleaners, cooks, etc. Those people will all be out of jobs. This fire is truly a nightmare -- and one the residents there won't wake up from.
    So sad.

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    Thank you, Jeralyn. (5.00 / 5) (#14)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Fri Jan 17, 2025 at 02:54:24 AM EST
    I never thought I'd see two places where I've spent so much time in my life - Lahaina, Maui and now Altadena - get wiped out by wildfires.

    Over the years, Americans have developed an unrealistic sense of entitlement to protection from fire, which was at first reinforced by public safety officials but has since proved unsustainable in the face of huge wildfire disasters such as Palisades and Altadena / Pasadena.

    When the wildfires first broke out, L.A.'s emergency response system immediately kicked into gear and worked exactly as it as it was designed to do. It was eventually overwhelmed by conditions and circumstances in the field far beyond anyone's control.

    Over the last eight years, we've seen wildfires wipe out entire communities in California and Hawaii, with the resultant loss of hundreds of lives. And in Colorado, you had the Cameron Peak Fire in 2020, which got uncomfortably close to Fort Collins. Our innate understanding of fire has to change if future conflagrations are to be mitigated and prevented.

    (And as an aside, it's absurd that that the most vociferous critics of L.A. Mayor Karen Bass and Gov. Gavin Newsom during the SoCal wildfire crisis appear to be Fox News personalities who are 2,500 miles away, and whose idea of fire management expertise is Caitlyn Jenner and Marjorie Taylor Greene.)

    Being from Pasadena, I never spent much time in Pacific Palisades and Malibu or other communities along Santa Monica Bay. My friends and I would go to Zuma Beach occasionally when we were in high school, but that's on the far west end of Malibu and well past the Palisades Fire's burn area. I never did understand why the county allowed people to literally build on the beach, never mind so close together.

    What's amazing is seeing the few houses in Malibu that were spared, as though the fires simply bypassed them. The same thing happened in Altadena; whole blocks incinerated and then two or three houses that look unscathed. They're not, though. The smoke damage to the building interiors is likely extensive, and the accompanying odor takes forever to get rid of. The furniture, carpeting, the drywall - it'll all probably have to be gutted and replaced.

    I'm just grateful that everyone I know who was displaced heeded the warnings and got out of potential harm's way. Material possessions can be replaced. Lives can't be. I talked to my former mother-in-law, who's surprisingly philosophical about her lost house in Altadena and is in relatively good spirits, all things considered. "When I was younger, I always wanted to live in Long Beach," she said, "and now, I am."

    She said she had enough warning that day, so she and her daughter, son-in-law and grandson managed to pack up and take a lot of things like photos, her favorite art work, important papers, and clothes, etc. From all indications, the fire took her house later that night. She said she's counting her blessings but will likely not return to Altadena and rebuild. Her children and grandchildren are all in the Long Beach / San Pedro area.

    I agree with you that this is so sad. Like the Great Chicago Fire of 1871 and the San Francisco Bay earthquake and fire of 1906, it's a watershed event that will remain in the collective consciousness of the greater L.A. communities for generations to come.

    Aloha.

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