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I think it is a mistake to say "once" (5.00 / 1) (#59)
by Peter G on Thu Nov 16, 2017 at 09:40:00 PM EST
about Franken. We don't know yet. But being a man of that generation (and a bit older), and having been around men for many years, I think "once" is  highly improbable.

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That's assuming facts not yet in evidence. (5.00 / 2) (#61)
by Donald from Hawaii on Fri Nov 17, 2017 at 01:45:10 AM EST
As of right now, it's one accusation. Sen. Franken's apologized for his behavior 11 years ago, and Teedren has already and graciously accepted his apology. Further, he's called for a Senate ethics investigation on himself, which as far as I can tell is unprecedented. That strongly suggests -- to me, anyway -- that Franken likely has nothing else to hide here.

Honestly, and this is not directed at you or anyone else in particular, I get so tired of bedwetting Dems jumping quickly to conclusions after listening to a scandalmongering media, and assuming the very worst before knowing all the facts. This is exactly how the USDA lost an excellent regional administrator in Shirley Sherrod.

So, let's all just stop and catch our breaths, unbunch our panties and skivvies, and wait and see what happens before we start calling for anyone's resignation, okay? If Franken's really a serial abuser, we'll likely know soon enough. And if he's not, then we can move on and address the overarching issue of how men treat women in the workplace and elsewhere.

Aloha.

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What conclusion do you claim (5.00 / 2) (#68)
by Peter G on Fri Nov 17, 2017 at 08:48:28 AM EST
I jumped to, and what facts do you claim I have "assumed" to be true without "evidence"? Did you even read my comment? I responded with careful words to a comment that asserted as a fact that Sen. Franken engaged in this behavior only "once." What I said is all I said, and I set forth my basis for saying it. You are really annoying sometimes, Donald.

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Gosh, where to start? Ok, we'll start here.: (none / 0) (#106)
by cpinva on Sat Nov 18, 2017 at 12:57:57 PM EST
"I think it is a mistake to say once about Franken. We don't know yet. But being a man of that generation (and a bit older), and having been around men for many years, I think "once" is  highly improbable."

that strikes me (and any other reasonably intelligent person) as pretty much a conclusion. You don't know for certain, but you're pretty certain ("I think "once" is  highly improbable.") there's more to come, though it hasn't since this first came out a couple of days ago.

Dude, you can't have it both ways in real world, have your cake and bake it too, etc.

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Obviously I cannot agree that (none / 0) (#108)
by Peter G on Sat Nov 18, 2017 at 08:12:03 PM EST
any "reasonably intelligent person" would interpret what I wrote as intended to suggest something very different from what I actually wrote. But it is definitely a problem I need to consider whenever I write for public consumption, including when I post here.

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Please. Others had already called for an (none / 0) (#71)
by sarcastic unnamed one on Fri Nov 17, 2017 at 11:08:25 AM EST
ethics investigation on him. So with nothing to lose, he joined the call. "Unprecedented?" Sure. Unprecedented chutzpah.

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So (none / 0) (#69)
by FlJoe on Fri Nov 17, 2017 at 09:48:02 AM EST
 can we make the converse argument? That if no other credible allegations arise we should consider this "once" highly improbable.

I agree that the worst behavior ascribed to Franken rarely if ever is not serial in nature.  Wouldn't a lack of further victims coming forth be exculpatory?

Given recent events, I would think that any serial creepiness on Franken's part would almost immediately come to light, so far nothing much. That'd why I personally am reserving judgement until further allegations do or do not arise.  

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Read my comment again. I also am (5.00 / 1) (#73)
by Peter G on Fri Nov 17, 2017 at 11:42:18 AM EST
reserving judgment. I was making a prediction (based on probabilities only) of what I expect to come to light within a few days. If it doesn't, no one will be more pleased than I. Nor have I said a word about what consequences I think would be appropriate, because I don't have a clear thought on that subject.

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Now we can pay closer attention, ... (none / 0) (#132)
by Donald from Hawaii on Mon Nov 20, 2017 at 01:24:13 PM EST
... since a second woman has just accused Franken of inappropriate conduct -- this time while he was a U.S. senator.

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