Showing posts with label Atheism. Show all posts
Showing posts with label Atheism. Show all posts
Tuesday, June 27, 2023
Do passages like Hebrews 11:1 support a view of faith that has little or no concern for evidence?
Stephen Woodford, who operates the Rationality Rules YouTube channel, recently posted a video about the alleged irrationality of theism. It's been getting a lot of attention, including some responses from Christians. I'm not going to interact with all of it. What I want to focus on is a segment about faith, which promotes a popular misinterpretation of Hebrews 11:1. That verse is often cited to support the idea that Christian faith has little or no concern for evidence, that it involves a blind leap in the dark, and so on. A couple of other passages, John 20:29 and 2 Corinthians 5:7, sometimes get interpreted in a similar manner.
Sunday, September 05, 2021
Overestimating The Prior Improbability Of Miracles
Stephen Braude wrote:
He goes on to quote some comments from C.J. Ducasse:
Braude then comments:
First, it is moot whether psi phenomena violate any important scientific theory. Only from an already suspect reductionistic perspective would they seem to pose a threat to received science. It is more plausible that psi phenomena, like organic phenomena and the phenomena of consciousness generally, simply fall outside the domain of physics. Second, even if psi phenomena did violate some major scientific law(s), there is nothing sacred about received science. Like the received science of days past, much of it may require modification or rejection, even if only to countenance everyday mental processes such as volition and memory. Third, subjective probability assignments concerning scientifically anomalous phenomena carry little weight, as the history of science amply demonstrates.
Moreover, we know very little about ostensibly paranormal phenomena (especially, I suppose, if they are genuinely paranormal) but a great deal about misperception, naiveté, fraud, etc. But in that case, our assessments of the probability of the latter should be given greater weight than our assessments of the probability of the former. After all, we often have a solid basis for judging the likelihood of misperception, etc., occurring in spontaneous cases. But we have virtually no basis for deciding the likelihood of an event occurring - in the absence of fraud, misperception, etc. - that at least appears to violate some fundamental scientific law or metaphysical assumption. We do know, of course, that phenomena discovered in the past have deeply changed the course of science, and we know that phenomena considered impossible or highly improbable on received scientific principles have been found to be possible or not so improbable after all. So we know that genuine scientifically anomalous phenomena may occur, some of which eventually get incorporated into the science of the day. But earlier on, when the phenomena are still extraordinary and poorly understood, we lack the kind of information customarily needed to assess the probability of their having occurred. To judge whether a given event is likely in a particular circumstance, we must first know something of the event's nature and limits. That is how we determine the likelihood of misperception, fraud, etc. We know what sorts of situations might motivate fraud or encourage misperception, and we can make reasonable and well-informed judgments about their likelihood in the circumstances in question. In fact, we have a substantial and clear background of data to which we can appeal when making these judgments. But it is just this sort of background information that we lack in the case of ostensibly paranormal events. So it seems reasonable to decide the likelihood of an ostensibly paranormal event having occurred on the basis of the evidence against the occurrence of misperception, fraud, etc. (The Limits Of Influence [Lanham, Maryland: University Press of America, Inc., 1997], 46-47)
He goes on to quote some comments from C.J. Ducasse:
…assertions of antecedent improbability always rest on the tacit but often in fact false assumption that the operative factors are the same in a presented case as they were in superficially similar past cases. For example, the antecedent improbability of the things an expert conjurer does onstage is extremely high if one takes as antecedent evidence what merely an ordinary person, under ordinary instead of staged conditions can do. The same is true of what geniuses, or so-called arithmetical prodigies, can do as compared with what ordinary men can do. And that a man is a genius or a calculating prodigy is shown by what he does do, not the reality of what he does by his being a genius or prodigy. This holds equally as regards a medium and his levitations or other paranormal phenomena. (47)
Braude then comments:
It would be almost transcendentally foolish to maintain that the unprecedented mnemonic abilities reported by Luria (1968/1987) are unlikely to be genuine, due to their antecedent improbability (based on the population of normal human beings). With reasoning such as this, we could forever avoid acknowledging the existence of exceptional human abilities. But then it is presumably equally indefensible to distrust nearly a quarter-century's worth of reports of decently-illuminated table levitations by D.D. Home, on the grounds that the antecedent improbability of that ability is overwhelmingly high. (47)
Tuesday, July 06, 2021
Creating A God Who Doesn't Exist
This is a much bigger problem than atheism in modern America, despite all the attention atheism gets among Evangelicals:
"We may be responding not to the real God but to what we wish God and life to be like. Indeed, if left to themselves our hearts will tend to create a God who doesn't exist." (Tim Keller, Prayer [New York, New York: Dutton, 2014], 62)
For some ideas about how to address the problem, see here for a brief summary and here for a lengthier discussion (including in the comments section of the thread). The thread here (again, including the comments section) on whether Christianity is a demonic deception makes some relevant points as well.
"We may be responding not to the real God but to what we wish God and life to be like. Indeed, if left to themselves our hearts will tend to create a God who doesn't exist." (Tim Keller, Prayer [New York, New York: Dutton, 2014], 62)
For some ideas about how to address the problem, see here for a brief summary and here for a lengthier discussion (including in the comments section of the thread). The thread here (again, including the comments section) on whether Christianity is a demonic deception makes some relevant points as well.
Friday, February 19, 2021
Materialism and mysteries
Prof. James Anderson responds to Bart Ehrman's (I guess one could call it) mysterian materialism in his post "Materialism and Mysteries".
Tuesday, February 16, 2021
Ed May's Materialism
Alex Tsakiris recently interviewed Stephen Braude. He makes a lot of significant comments during the interview, but a segment I found especially interesting was one about Ed May. You can click on the link just provided to watch that segment on the YouTube video of the interview. Braude's comments about his private interactions with May are worth hearing. You can listen to Tsakiris' interview with May here. And here's a post I wrote about the significance of the interview.
Monday, June 29, 2020
Omnipotence isn't what you think it is
I frequent a couple of
apologetics groups on Facebook, and in one of them there was a recent
discussion on the old atheist’s question, “If God is all powerful, can He make
a rock too heavy for Him to lift?” Now
most Christians have been asked this question at some point if they’ve ever
talked to atheists, and the majority of apologetically-minded Christians
probably learned an answer along the lines of, “When we say God is all
powerful, we don’t mean that He can do everything, but that He can do everything
that is logically possible to do. Everyone
agrees that God cannot make a square circle, because that would be logically
impossible to do. Asking for an all
powerful being to do something that would make Him no longer all powerful is,
on the face of it, a logical absurdity.”
There is a problem with
this argument. The problem is not immediately
obvious, however. After all, contained in the meaning of “all powerful” is the
necessity of certain inabilities, which are in fact required in order to make
something “all powerful”. For example, if
something is “all powerful” then that thing is incapable of being defeated. So if God is all powerful, that means He
cannot be defeated, say if I were to play Him in a game of chess. Note, this doesn’t mean God cannot lose, for
it is certainly still possible that God could throw a game and let me win. What
I’m saying is that it is impossible for God to want to win and not be able to
do so. Thus, contained in the concept of
“all powerful” is the notion that certain things are impossible to do. God cannot want to win and still lose if He
is all powerful.
So the logic checks out
in the argument. Because the concept of “all
powerful” contains aspects which necessitate the inability to do certain
things, it’s logically absurd to hold that something cannot be “all powerful”
if it cannot do those things which are necessarily impossible to do given one
is “all powerful.”
What, then, is the flaw
in this response to the atheist? The
flaw comes from the Christian maintaining that the definition of omnipotence is
“the ability to do all that is logically possible to do.”
For normal theism, this
claim is certainly something that is obtainable. That’s why the argument has worked in
philosophy for centuries. But for the
Christian who holds to the inspiration of Scripture, we cannot agree that it is
possible for God to do all that is logically possible to do. The Bible, in fact, gives us a specific
example where this is refuted. It’s
found in a clause in the middle of Hebrews 6:18:
“It is impossible for
God to lie.”
That’s correct. God cannot lie. The passage does not say God will not lie even though
He could. It says it is
impossible for God to lie. (We can also
add in Titus 1:2, which contains the clause “God, who never lies”, but the fact
that Hebrews literally uses the word “impossible” makes it all the clearer.)
Now here’s the
rub. Is it logically possible to
lie? Clearly, yes. Humans lie all the time. No one can make a square circle, so square circles
are logically impossible. But anyone can
say they made a square circle, which would be a lie. It is therefore obvious that lying is
logically possible to do.
Furthermore, we know
that God can speak. He spoke the entire
creation into existence, and the Bible records Him speaking directly to many
individuals. So the impossibility of God
to lie is not because God cannot form words.
Given all that, we are
left with the following:
1) God can do anything
that is logically possible (per definition).
2) God can speak.3) Speaking lies is logically possible.
4) Therefore, God can speak lies.
5) But, Hebrews 6:18 says it is impossible for God to speak lies.
(5) contradicts (4). Since
there’s a contradiction, then (at least one of) 1, 2, 3 or 5 must be wrong. But the only one that seems to be capable of
being wrong is the first.
And there is good news
for the Christian on that front. Nowhere
in the Bible does it ever say that God is able to do anything that is logically
possible to be done. In fact, if we let
the Bible define God’s power, we see it in passages such as these:
Daniel 4:35 – “…he does according to His will among the host
of heaven and among the inhabitants of the earth; and none can stay his hand or
say to him, ‘What have you done?’”
Isaiah 14:27 – “For the
LORD of hosts has purposed, and who will annul it? His hand is stretched out,
and who will turn it back?”
Isaiah 43:13 – “Also
henceforth I am he; there is none who can deliver from my hand; I work, and who
can turn it back?”
Job 42:2 – “I know that
you can do all things, and that no purpose of yours can be thwarted.”
It’s also implicit in
the fact that God created all things and indeed maintains all that exists.
Romans 1:20 declares “his eternal power” is seen “in the things that have been
made”, and Hebrews 1:3 says “He upholds the universe by the word of his power.” Indeed, Colossians 1:17 even declares: “And
he is before all things, and in him all things hold together.”
There are many more
passages that could be quoted on that topic, but I think the one that is most succinct
for Christians to use is found in Psalm 135:6.
“Whatever the LORD pleases, he does, in heaven and on earth, in the seas
and all deeps.” I maintain that for a
Christian apologist, this should be the definition of omnipotence that we use.
In fact, I would
maintain that using this passage, we can also see why it is impossible for God
to lie. God does whatever He pleases. It
does not please God to tell a lie. It is
impossible for Him lying to please Him, and therefore it is impossible for Him
to lie.
So would there be any
downsides to using this type of argumentation?
Some may think that God’s omnipotence may be cheapened if we don’t
assert He is capable of doing anything that is logically possible to do. As if saying that God can do whatever He
wants to do, instead of saying God can do every single logically possible
thing, somehow lessens His abilities! I suppose
someone could argue, “So if God wants to do nothing, then Him doing only
nothing would make him ‘omnipotent’?
That seems absurd.” And it would
seem absurd until you realized that if God can always do what He wants, then if
He wants to do nothing there is absolutely no power strong enough to force Him
to do anything. That means He would need
quite a bit of power in order to maintain His ability to do nothing, should He
so desire. None can thwart Him and force
Him to do anything if He wants to do nothing!
If God wants to do something,
He does it; if He does not, none can make Him do it. This seems to be a perfectly fine definition
of omnipotence.
In fact, not only do I not
think this definition lessens God’s omnipotence at all, I think it gives us the
ability to argue for omnipotence in the context of a personal God. If we stick with the language of “anything
that is logically possible to do”, then God can be viewed as an impersonal
force. But if, instead, we maintain that God does whatever He chooses to do,
then we necessarily have a personal being who is interacting with His creation. If God does whatever He desires, and there
are certain things we know He will never desire, then we have confidence that
there are certain things that are impossible to occur. Thus, we can rest in knowing that it is
impossible for God to lie, and that impossibility is because of His
omnipotence. Nothing can ever force God to lie.
That definition of
omnipotence tells me something about the nature and character of God. And that, in my mind, is required in
apologetics even more than simply making a logical argument that could be
satisfied by an impersonal Deistic god.
Labels:
Apologetics,
Atheism,
Omnipotence,
Peter Pike
Friday, June 05, 2020
Wednesday, May 20, 2020
On God and the moon
The fine-tuning argument is one of the more recent, scientific versions of the teleological argument. An illustration is the moon. If it was a little bigger, smaller, closer, or farther away, the earth would be uninhabitable.
A popular objection to the fine-tuning argument is the contention that if the universe the earth was inhospitable, there'd be no observers to comment on the size and position of the moon, so the argument presupposes rather than proves the claim.
That, however, is a strange objection. If there's no one to observe a gothic cathedral, does that mean the cathedral was never designed? Does that mean Notre Dame cathedral goes from being designed to not being designed if Paris is deserted?
Labels:
Atheism,
Fine-Tuning,
Hays
Saturday, May 16, 2020
Carnival mirror
If atheism is true, then there's no guiding, overarching intelligence to coordinate what happens or how we perceive reality. So for all we know, it's like each of us was born in a coma. The world we perceive is a comatose delirium. Indeed, each of us was born into a separate comatose delirium.
Or, to vary the metaphor, it's like each of us was born standing in front of a mirror. All we perceive is the world reflected in the mirror. And for all we know, it's a carnival mirror. Indeed, each of us was born standing in front of a different carnival mirror. And the other people we see, the "us", aren't real people but belong to the "world", the distortions, of the carnival mirror.
Consider the horror of that scenario. Stop and think about that nightmarish scenario. (Indeed, a never-ending nightmare is yet another illustration.) Let the horror of that scenario seize you.
Most atheists (in the West) don't think that way because they operate as if atheism's false and there is a guiding, overarching intelligence to coordinate what happens and how we perceive reality. Buddhism is a prominent exception. Certain strains of Hinduism share the same skepticism because, even though they aren't atheistic, the kind of God they believe in isn't the ultimate reality.
Friday, May 15, 2020
I won!
There's an odd quality to debates with unbelievers. They "succeed" in shielding themselves from Christianity. They put up enough barriers that they "succeed" in walling themselves off from the evidence. They "won". Christians failed to persuade them.
But it's like someone diagnosed with curable cancer who convinces himself that homeopathic therapy is the way to go. His doctor futilely pleads with him to undergo conventional cancer therapy. But the patient thinks he "won" the argument.
Yet it's not the doctor who has a personal stake in the outcome. He's not the one with cancer.
Labels:
Apologetics,
Atheism,
Buddhism,
Evangelism,
Hays,
Hinduism,
Islam,
Mormonism
Don't play fetch the ball
Recently I saw a site that lists 2431 objections to Christianity. Of course, nobody has time to respond to 2431 objections. Indeed, that's the point of the site.
Instead of fielding a hugely padded list of objections, why not focus on the evidence for Christianity? If you have sufficient evidence that something is true, you don't need to answer any objections.
It's not a Christian responsibility to perform an impossible task. We can't play fetch the ball with an unbeliever–where we have to chase the ball wherever he throws it. If you have sufficient evidence that something is true, you can leave puzzling objections unexplained.
If unbelievers refuse to appreciate that fact, then that's their problem. There's no reason to feel desperate because they make unreasonable demands on us. There are limits to what Christians can do. The Christian is safe in the boat while the unbeliever is drowning. If he refuses to take your hand, he's the one who has everything to lose. It's a pity, but he created that predicament for himself. We can't help those who refuse help because the insist that we only provide a certain kind of help which isn't reasonable or feasible.
When someone says I won't believe unless you refute 2431 objections, that's a stalling tactic. What he's really saying is that he will never believe, by erecting an endless set of barriers. Even if you answered 2431 objections, he next move would be to challenge each answer. So it constantly multiplies.
Thursday, May 14, 2020
Does math point to God?
Today there was a brainiac debate between Graham Oppy and William Lane Craig:
I may or may not comment on other parts of the debate in a future post, but of now I'd like to zero in on a dilemma posed by Oppy:
Could God have freely chosen to make a physical world in which it was not the case that mathematical theories apply to the physical world because the structure of the physical world is an instantiation of mathematical structures described by those mathematical theories? There are two options: if not, then it seems that what you're going to end up saying is that it's necessary, that if there's a physical world, mathematical theories apply–which means you just end up with what the naturalist says. That will be the explanation. On the other hand, if it's as though it's just a brute contingency that mathematical theories apply to the physical world…because it's brutally contingent that God chose to make this world rather that other worlds that he could have made instead. When you get to free choice and you think why this rather than that, there's no explanation to be given why you ended up with one rather than the other. So it looks as though either you're going to accept the necessity or you're going to end up with ultimately it's a brute contingency.
The answer depends on how we answer either either one of two prior questions:
i) Are mathematical structures grounded in the structure/substructure of God's mind? Does the existence of mathematical structures depend on God's existence?
ii) Is there a naturalistic mechanism to explain how the physical structure of the universe is an instantiation of mathematical structures?
Labels:
Atheism,
Debate,
Hays,
Math,
Metaphysics,
William Lane Craig
The Plague, by Camus
Camus wrote a novel about a plague. In the novel Camus poses a dilemma: if a plague is sent by God, is it impious to fight the plague? Are we fighting God by fighting a heaven-sent plague?
Since the world is currently experiencing a pandemic, this is a good time to revisit the proposed dilemma.
1. God sends adversity to change people. It can be designed to change them in different ways.
Historically, for instance, plagues were an opportunity for Christians to practice sacrificial compassion. The pagan response to plagues was to cast the sick outside and leave them to fend for themselves. As a result, the fatality rate was extremely high for plagues, because in many cases, the sick would have been able to survive if someone cared for them and nursed them through the illness.
By contrast, Christians, emboldened by the hope of heaven, practiced heroic compassion by taking in the sick and nursing them. Christians took the risk of contracting a fatal infection. Not only did this save many lives, but it was also a powerful witness to the pagan world. Todd Wood discussed this in a recent video:
2. Sometimes God sends adversity for adversity to be overcome. Opposing the adversity isn't contrary God's will; to the contrary, the purpose of adversity, in such cases, is to pose a challenge to be surmounted. Take the cultivation of soul-building virtues.
3. Sometimes God sends adversity to overcome us. For instance, God striking Nebuchadnezzar with lycanthropy to humble him.
4. What these examples of different kinds of change share in common is that God doesn't send adversity for us to do nothing in response. We're not to passively submit to adversity in the sense that we don't allow it to make any difference, but just sit there and take it without letting it have any effect on us. No, we're supposed to interact with the adversity. We're supposed to grapple with the adversity. So the dilemma posed by Camus is a false dilemma.
Labels:
Atheism,
Epidemics,
Hays,
Literature,
Providence
Wednesday, May 13, 2020
The difference a miracle makes
One of the striking things about the difference between Christians and atheists regarding the Resurrection is the difference, in principle, a single miracle would make to the outlook of an atheist. Atheists think defending the Resurrection is an extended exercise in special pleading, yet that's all predicated on their naturalism. It would only take a single miracle to revolutionize their plausibility structure (assuming they were consistent). A single miracle, any miracle, ancient or modern, would suddenly make the Resurrection credible. So their position is extremely fragile.
Labels:
Atheism,
Hays,
Miracles,
Resurrection
I'll believe in God if...
1. In his recent interview with Eli Ayala, Gary Habermas was asked the following question.
My sister died 2 weeks [ago]. Pray for he in the name of Jesus, if she rises from the dead (like Lazarus) I will believe.
The questioner was. Douglas Letkeman. Doug is YouTuber and Street Epismologist, using the tactics of Peter Boghossian's A Manual for Creating Atheists. The basic tactic is to focus on the psychology of belief and lower the confidence of a Christian by asking if they're 100% Christianity is true, 85% true, &c., and then throwing a lot of hypothetical defeaters at Christianity. As I recall, Doug has a Christian sister with MS.
Normally I wouldn't comment on something like this, but Doug chose to raise this in public. , and do so in a polemical context,
1. Here's a preliminary question: Is he seeking a straight answer or is he setting a trap? Is he using this as a cynical tactic to intimate Christians? "I dare you to give an answer that sounds uncaring!"
While we should sympathize with his loss, that doesn't mean we should sympathize with using that as emotional leverage.
Moreover, it's not as if he has a monopoly on family tragedy. Many Christians experience family tragedy.
2. Another issue is using that as a chip to drive a hard bargain with God. But God has nothing to prove to him. God doesn't need Doug to believe in God. What's that to God? God has nothing to lose. Some atheists have the odd notion that they can use their belief or disbelief as leverage with God. As if that puts them in a superior negotiating position. God is having to negotiate from a position of weakness. But God can't be manipulated.
I've been blunt, but you're not entitled to pose tough questions, then take umbrage if you get tough answers. The challenger determines the level of the challenge. (Technically, his statement was a challenge rather than a question, but my point doesn't turn on that distinction.)
Saturday, May 02, 2020
High Christology
Some Bible scholars have a low Christology. That's becomes somescholars are highly secularized, so they don't believe we live in the kind of world that the Bible describes. They think that's fictional. So it's really less about interpreting the NT witness to the Trinity or the Incarnation but their belief that the world is a kind of snowglobe. There is no afterlife. There is no divine involvement in the world. There's no room in their worldview for a divine Incarnation.
Given their worldview, they don't think it's possible for the NT to have a high Christology that's true. They don't think we live in that kind of world. So their low Christology isn't really about what the NT teaches, but their understanding of reality. Given their closed-system worldview, they are bound to view NT Christology as legendary/mythological pious fiction. Even if the NT has a high Christology, that doesn't map onto reality
So a lot of this is driven, not by exegesis but by their view of historicity and reality. Although Hurtado was something of a theological moderate, he wasn't an inerrantist, he was heavy into redaction criticism, and I don't think he had a strong view of divine revelation, so for him there's bound to be an evolutionary Christology in the NT which has antecedents in speculative theological developments in 2nd Temple Judaism. He doesn't think the Enochian literature is historical. It's just pious fiction. I agree. Point, though, is he doesn't draw a categorical line between that and Scripture. It all has an element of legendary embellishment. It ranges along a continuum. So that's less about exegesis than his view of Scripture and the history of ideas.
This is even more pronounced in the case of James McGrath. I believe he used to be evangelical, but lost his faith in grad school and is now a progressive. It isn't possible for McGrath to have a high Christology because he doesn't believe we live in that kind of world. He's basically a secularist. His closed-system worldview precludes the possibility that the NT presents a realistic Christology. So this isn't about exegesis but his worldview. For him, NT Christology has to be pious fiction. There's a mismatch between the Bible and reality. The Bible tells stories about divine intervention, angels, life after death, God, Incarnation, the Resurrection, &c., but these don't correspond with what really happens.
So it's important when reading monographs about the historical supernatural Jesus to keep in mind that the conclusions are often predetermined, not by exegesis, but by the scholar's view of the supernatural and the historicity of Scripture.
Wednesday, April 29, 2020
Grieving atheists
@AtheistRepublicWhat is the best thing to say to an atheist who is grieving the loss of a loved one?
That's a tricky question, and there's more than one way to broach the answer:
i) Is this one atheist taking to another atheist, or a Christian talking to an atheist?
ii) Are the Christian and the atheist on friendly terms?
iii) Is the atheist expecting a word of comfort from the Christian?
iv) There's the danger that the atheist will view the Christian as exploiting the situation. But there are ways to guide the discussion.
v) It depends on the mood the atheist is in.
vi) What if atheism has no comforting answer to give in that situation? What if there's no comfort answer to give the atheist? What if the honest answer will be hopeless and depressing? Are you forbidden to give a frank answer if that's depressing and despairing? If you're not allowed to give an atheist honest atheist answers to existential questions, what does that say about atheism when it comes to the issues in life that ultimately matter?
vii) Instead of attempting to encourage the atheist, supposed a Christian begins with questions. Sometimes it's more effective to asking probing, leading questions rather than spoonfeed him the right answers. That enables him to think it through for himself. Asked him how he feels about the situation. What did the person mean to him? How is his death a personal loss?
From there the conversation might gravitate to what, if anything, makes the life of the dearly departed important. Was his life important because it was important to decedent or important to others?
What, if anything, makes human lives important? What if the dearly departed never existed? What difference would that ultimately make? Are we just dandelion puffs blown by the wind? Most never germinate, and those that do merely produce a new generation of dandelion puffs, swaying in the breeze on a dry grassy, forgettable hillside? Repetition for repetition's sake.
viii) Depending on how the conversation goes, a Christian can ask the atheist if there's a point of unresolvable tension between how the bereaved misses and values his lost loved one and the intrinsic significance of his lost loved one if atheism is true. And if there's a point of unresolvable tension, what gives? Should we cling to the nihilistic consequences of atheism, or cling to the significance of human lives? If both can't be true, which outlook should take precedence? What's our staring-point?
If naturalistic evolution is true, then we cherish certain experiences, not because they have intrinsic value, but because natural selection brainwashed us to project illusory value on things with no inherent value inasmuch as that confers a survival advantage on the species. We're the product of mindless, amoral psychological conditioning.
ix) A standard atheist response is that they continue to live in our hearts and memories. But that's a cheat. They no longer consciously participate in life and love and memory. Your fond memories can't be a substitute for their personal experience. They're gone.
x) I'm not suggesting Christians always have happy answers. Unless you're a universalist, some stories have bad endings. There is, though, a fundamental difference between hope for some and hope for none.
In addition, a world of universal oblivion, where all choices good or ill are erased at high tide, is far worse than a moral universe in which some choices have enduring consequences.
Sunday, April 26, 2020
The limits of apologetic dialogue
A common limitation or deadlock in apologetic dialogue is that one or both sides think the other side has nothing worth saying. Take debates between Christians and atheists. Many atheists think Christianity is indefensibly false. Christians only believe in Christianity due to childhood indoctrination. So when a Christian provides a rational defense his faith, the atheist isn't listening. He tunes out the explanation. He just waits for the Christian to stop talking, then the atheist launches into his prepared objections.
The atheist has no intellectual patience for a sophisticated defense of Christianity. He assumes that's just a snow job. The more intelligent the Christian, the more sophisticated the explanation, the greater the suspicion of the atheist that he's been snowed by a blizzard of technicalities.
The same holds true for many debates between Catholics and evangelicals, or Arminians and Protestants. It's funny how many Arminians act like compatibilism must be special pleading. An ad hoc explanation which Calvinists concocted just to defend Calvinism, even though compatibility is a philosophical position about the relationship between determinism and moral responsibility that's philosophically independent of Calvinism. But many Arminianism screen it out without bothering to understand the position. They don't think there could possibly anything worth understanding.
The more erudite or intellectual the defense, the more preemptive the dismissal. That must be smoke and mirrors. Same thing happens in debates between Christians and unitarians.
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