Top Lies and Deceptions in Loose Change 21-30
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21. Claim: 200,000 tons of steel shattered into sections no longer than a couple feet long.
Truth: Sections of the World Trade Center, often hundreds of feet long survived. Source
22. Claim: Kevin Ryan from Underwriters Laboratories, the company that certified the steel that was used in the World Trade Center, stated the steel should not have melted at the temperatures they were exposed to.
Truth: Kevin Ryan worked in the water testing department, nobody claimed the steel melted, and UL did not certify it in the first place (OK, that is technically 3 lies). Source
23. Claim: Numerous firefighters and other witnesses heard explosions in the world trade center indicating the use of demolitions.
Truth: A jet liner with 10,000 gallons of jet fuel crashed into each of the towers at 500 mph. It would be suspicious if they didn’t hear subsequent explosions. Source
24. Claim: Ben Fountain, a financial analyst who worked in the World Trade Center, told People Magazine that in the weeks before 9-11, there were a number of unannounced and unusual drills where sections of both the Twin Towers and building 7 were evacuated for 'security reasons'.
Truth: Mr. Fountain only stated that his tower was evacuated. He didn’t say it in the context that the film presents, that this somehow gave them the opportunity to plant explosives, but to say that there were previous threats against the towers. Other sources used by the conspiracy movement contradict this. Source and here
25. Claim: Bomb sniffing dogs were removed from the World Trade Center only days before the attack.
Truth: Security was actually increased for a couple of weeks; this “removal” was just security returning to normal. Source
26. Claim: Seismic records prove that explosives were used in the World Trade Center
Truth: The Columbia University seismic center specifically states that their records do not support such a conclusion. Source
27. Mayor Giuliani shipped off the remains of the World Trade Center before anyone could look at it.
Truth: FEMA, the FBI, the NTSB and the NIST all conducted in depth investigations, including removal and testing of debris. An extensive report is available at http://www.nist.gov/
28. Claim: Not even FEMA was allowed into Ground Zero.
Truth: False, they were involved in the investigation and even produced the first report. Source
29. Claim: At the United 93 crash site “there was nothing. Nothing that you can distinguish that a plane had crashed there. “
Truth: Extensive debris including engines, personal effects, body parts and the black boxes were found at the crash site. Pictures of many of these items were introduced into evidence as the Zacarias Moussaoui trial. Source
30. Claim: Wally Miller, a Somerset County coroner stated that there were no bodies found at the crash site of United 93
Truth: There were no “whole” bodies, but over 1500 body parts were found, and most of the passengers were identified through the use of DNA. Mr. Miller later reported his findings on this. Source
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Truth: A jet liner with 10,000 gallons of jet fuel crashed into each of the towers at 500 mph. It would be suspicious if they didn’t hear subsequent explosions.
WRONG! Go through this whole video. There are numerous explosions before and during the collapses just like all the eyewitnesses heard; just like the firemen documented in their radio transmissions.
http://www.911eyewitness.com/truth/googlelowrez.html
Truth: The Columbia University seismic center specifically states that their records do not support such a conclusion.
Bending words there? It really doesn't matter what "official" at the Columbia U seismic center 'think.' Whatever event happened just before the collapses registered 2+ Richter earthquakes because they were coupled to the ground. No one denies this FACT.
Truth: Extensive debris including engines, personal effects, body parts and the black boxes were found at the crash site. Pictures of many of these items were introduced into evidence as the Zacarias Moussaoui trial.
Question, how big was the "crash site?" and how long until every left was "recovered?" The fact that this "evidence" was introduced in the Moussaoui trai is very suspect since he was not on flight 93 and testified he was going to hit the White House which is also a complete lie.
Buddy, you need serious help.
"There are numerous explosions before and during the collapses just like all the eyewitnesses heard;"
And explosions can be heard during most fires. Talk to a fireman if you're in doubt about it.
"It really doesn't matter what "official" at the Columbia U seismic center 'think.' Whatever event happened just before the collapses registered 2+ Richter earthquakes because they were coupled to the ground."
And, ofcourse, YOU are better qualified to interpret the meaning of those "earthquakes" than the experts who took the measurements and who work with such data on a daily basis. Wow. I'm truly in awe of you. Let me know when you get that cold-fusion thing working, ok?
"The fact that this "evidence" was introduced in the Moussaoui trai is very suspect since he was not on flight 93 and testified he was going to hit the White House which is also a complete lie."
Yep, the guy lied in order to get himself locked up for life. Makes sense. Maybe I should go confess to starting WW2. It really wasn't Hitlers fault you know, I bet him $20 he couldn't invade Poland, and things just kinda went down hill from there.
And, ofcourse, YOU are better qualified to interpret the meaning of those "earthquakes" than the experts who took the measurements and who work with such data on a daily basis. Wow. I'm truly in awe of you. Let me know when you get that cold-fusion thing working, ok?
This is why 9/11 succeeds in fooling the average American. You guys don't use your brain but rely on "experts" to interpret the obvious for you.
Facts:
1. The '93 bombing of the WTC didn't produce any measurements on the Richter scale
2. 9/11 Both Towers register 2 + "events" just before they collapse respectively. There is NO debate on this FACT. Not even the so called "experts" at Columbia U deny this happened.
Now, use your brain for once. Did small earthquakes register before the collapse or are the CT folks making this up?
What the hell do earthquakes have to do with it? In fact, YOU just proved that the earthquakes probably had nothing to do with any explosions; otherwise the '93 bombing would have generated similar readings.
You see, at this point I don't even need to go look for information to disprove your "facts", even though I'm sure it's available out there. Right now I can dismiss your argument not because of invalid facts, but because of the lack of logic inherent in your argument. If you claim that the seismic readings were created by explosive charges which brought down the WTC, yet you also claim that the 1993 explosion generated no seismic readings, then you're obviously wrong about one of the two. Untill you can put together an argument which doesn't contradict itself multiple times, I have no intention of wasting my time by doing research into your claims.
"This is why 9/11 succeeds in fooling the average American. You guys don't use your brain but rely on "experts" to interpret the obvious for you."
This stuff gets better and better. I try not to laugh because of the seriousness of the attacks and the destruction and death they caused, but with stuff like this, I just can't help it.
Sure, if we want to know something about a subject, especially a technical subject, why the last person we should trust would be someone who has spent years studying and researching that area of knowledge and who has advanced degrees. No, we should turn instead to some kook in a aluminum foil hat.
You have to pay for this stuff in a comedy club. You guys don't have a two drink minimum, do you?
Regarding #22 and #23:
LC seems to suggest that the steel supports needed to "liquify" in order to give way. In fact, they only needed to "soften" to give way, which occurs at a FAR lower temperature than the melting point of steel.
On #23: The "multiple explosions" would be due to a number of causes: primarilly "backdraft" as trapped oxygen insided sealed offices suddenly exploded as fire breached their interior. The next is due to collapsing walls, floors and debris. Another source of "explosions" might be any chemicals and/or cleaning products catching fire in bathrooms and maintence rooms. (other more obscure causes can also be included... not a single one of which produced a flaming fireball explosion of the size necessary to take out an entire floor).
You see, that's the point. There is no possible way that the federal government could get to every single source and pay them or threaten them enough to keep them quiet, especially when 3000 of their own countrymen are dead. The major problem with the CTs is that they think the government is God and can do anything. The strange thing is that how can a government *that* powerful still bungle it so badly that there's enough evidence to construct a conspiracy theory? You can't have it both ways. And if the government did bungle it so badly, then why did it take these people 5 years to figure it out? Is there any relation to the fact that it's an election year? Hmm.
sigh.... what does your car use to run? Oil (or its manufactured byproducts) that is because it is an internal combustion engine. That means it needs fuel to work. Since a car uses an internal combustion engine, then why would a tank, sub, aircraft carrier, or plane not need it? The problem is they do. That means that without the oil, we have no tanks, subs, aircraft carriers, or planes. Without these above mentioned machines, we have no defense for our country. Sure we have our own supply, but it is limited and will last us a long while. The government could even take all the oil from us and use it for the military, but seeing as though we bitch about 3 dollars per gallon of gas (where other countries pay more than that) we could not stand to be separated from the thing that lets us drive down the block instead of walk. So if you go on about the whole "no blood for oil" bullshit, welcome to a defenseless country. (In my opinion, the more blood the better. YEA population control!!)
Seeing the video of the first collapse made me a bit curious. It was the main reason I even looked into conspiracy theories.
The top of the building above the crash was originally falling off to the side. That chunk of the building should have (according to simple physics) kept falling in that direction. It didn't. Instead, it disintegrated into the rest of the building.
Just looking at video footage of the collapse should be enough to make (intelligent) people wonder.
I was very excited when I found out about this website. Many of the claims proposed by the film have been resonating in my head for a year now. I didn't know what to make of these claims, I just wanted to hear something contra to them. This blog is supposed to do that, and does do so for some of the questions.
Most of what I see on this blog is bickering back and forth. The people who run this blog are as juvenile as as some of the irate conspiracy nuts (By which I do not mean skeptics). Why would I take the blog owners seriously when they have condescending pet names for conspiracy theorists and routinely refer to the opposition as dullards and other insulting names that do nothing to help their argument?
I won't go into detail about how most of the refuting evidence is extremely weak. The blog discredits itself by claiming to have sources that are in actuality just other pages of their own blog. Are the blog owners oblivious to the concept that people will be coming here looking for facts? Apparently they think that their work and "citations" are professional in nature and people may indeed mistake them for facts. When there are external citations they are almost relevant, (eg. the Purdue pentagon crash model) or just a link to another blog.
I do not believe that our government would support or orchestrate such a terrible thing. However some of the questions raised by the film are just too intriguing to pass over. This website has not put my questions to rest.
Anyone who takes Loose Change (and all those other garbage theories) seriously should watch or rewatch the episode of South Park that had the "Hardly Boys" on it.
every single person on loose change and this website is stupid. No one knows what happened and no one ever will.
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All the blocking of questions and testimony from eye witnesses and the people who lobbied for the investigation are also very telling.
I have a degree in building construction technology and I can tell you, there is no way those buildings could fall at free fall speed without the use of explosives.
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