MAGA doesn't understand that the leopards are eating ALL the faces:
This is pure selfishness -- they love hurting people they hate -- just don't hurt them!
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Total self serving ignorance with a complete lack of compassion or empathy for anyone outside of their circle of delusion and ignorance.
MAGA is not making America great again. It is accomplishing the absolute opposite. It is making Amerika great again for the Robber Barons, or Oligarchs of Amerika.
According to your post as a header you say our education system is inadequate. If this is the case, which I agree with, why would you want to fund the department of education for their failure to manage education. Eliminate the department of education and send those funds to the states to manage their schools.
skud: "...send those funds to the states to manage their schools."
THAT IS WHAT THE DOE DOES!
I've explained this to you in other comment threads!
If students are doing poorly, then it is the individual states, cities, and towns that are to blame, since they control what is in the curricula and what is not.
Your criticisms should be with, say, states like West Virginia, Louisiana, and Mississippi, which have the worst student outcomes in the country, and ask what the hell it does with the money the DoE gives them to supplement what that state cannot afford to do for their students!
From Nevada Today (UNR):
"While the DoE plays a role in funding education, states and local governments are primarily responsible for education. They establish schools, develop curricula, and determine requirements for enrollment and graduation.
"The most important thing to know is that states and local governments still maintain control of educational systems. Establishing schools, developing curricula, setting requirements for academic progression and graduation, choosing books and materials, and determining academic standards are all done at state and local levels. Individual states set licensing requirements for teachers and other educational staff. But all of these things cost money; do local school districts and states have enough money to fund all the work they do for students in schools?
In short – no. This is where the Department of Education plays a role. Congress appropriates funds for the Department of Education that are then primarily distributed to students, state and local educational agencies, and community-based organizations that support students. For example, every state receives funds through the Individuals with Disabilities Education Act to support the education of students with disabilities in their local schools.
So the funds received by the various states, cities and towns are used as those states, cities and town determine needs.
Every state receives funds through Title I of the Elementary and Secondary Education Act (you may have known it as No Child Left Behind, now reauthorized as the Every Student Succeeds Act) that supports students from low socioeconomic backgrounds, students with limited English proficiency, Native American children, and children who are neglected or delinquent. The Department also funds postsecondary education directly to students through Pell grants and student loans."
Here is an idea for the low preforming states (which I note are MAGA red states) when the Musk(rat)/tRump team eliminates the DoE and it will be relatively inexpensive. Buy bibles and educate from them. It will likely give the Christian Nationalists a real tingle up their legs as well. And they can purchase Trump bibles to support their Fuhrer who has stated he loves the uneducated.
Hope skud finally reads and understands your efforts to educate him Shaw.
I think a lot of people like skud have a default position to blame everything on the federal government.
It is clear that skud doesn't know what the DoE does and does not do. The individual states make the determination on how much $$$ they'll spend to educate their students, what the curricula will be, etc.
The DoE helps those states that need more funding because they cannot provide what their students need.
And yes, the facts are that it is a majority of Red States -- Trumper states -- that have the poorest educational outcomes for their students, they're also among the poorest states -- the states that Blue States give their federal taxes to.
Skud should be asking why those states cannot do better.
Out of 238 BILLION budget about half is sent to schools and the other half goes to the bureaucracy used to send that money. Mass received 2122 per student in federal funds while Arkansas received 2749 per student. Given that Mass is the toward the top and Arkansas is toward the bottom are the taxpayers getting their monies worth. Other than hand out money what other function does the DOE provide since they don't care about the quality of education. Take the money collected and find another bloated bureaucracy to dole out the funds. Support vouchers for education which makes schools accountable for providing education because they are competing for students. Take the payoff and pork out of education.
"Given that Mass is the toward the top..." Massachusetts IS THE TOP. And Red States are at the bottom.
The bottom Red States receive funds according to a formula that addresses their needs. It is up to the individual states to worry about the quality of education they give to their students. Would you rather the feds interfere with what is taught in those states?
Massachusetts receives funding, as do all states, according to its needs for special students and other educational needs not covered by its budget.
Again, I'd ask you what do the Red States do with the funds they're given to address special needs? Why do they continue to fail their students' educational needs? States control their curricula, not the DoE.
As for your voucher idea, no matter how you look at it, vouchers undermine strong public education and student opportunity. They take scarce funding from public schools—which serve 90 percent of students—and give it to private schools—institutions that are not accountable to taxpayers. Vouchers treat learning like a commodity, and a free market doesn't always work in a interest of the consumer.
And again you didn't answer my question of why do we need the DoE since they control nothing except giving money to states to provide inadequate education. Vouchers give those evil parents the ability to give their child a better education and they can be used to choose which public or private school they want which puts pressure on schools. Yes the unions are against them because their function is to make sure non motivated teachers keep their jobs. Mass is the top of the heap in test scores so maybe we should have their education department take over the country because the feds have failed you you support their failure.
"Mass is the top of the heap in test scores so maybe we should have their education department take over the country because the feds have failed you you support their failure."
The feds did not fail me. I live in a state that values education and it shows in the fact that it leads the nation.
It is the Red State voters who have failed their own children by re-electing the same local politicians and local school committees who deliver substandard education systems to their constituents.
Take Oklahoma for example. It is one of the worst in education outcomes but what does it state superintendent do to address the problems? He wants to force Oklahoma's students to watch a religious video in their classrooms!
And Louisiana, another Red State with poor student outcomes, has decided that the best way to address their failing students is to mandate the 10 Commandments be placed in every schoolroom in the state, because everyone knows that telling children to "not covet they neighbor's wife and goods" will be a big help in understanding algebra!
skud said "And again you didn't answer my question of why do we need the DoE since they control nothing except giving money to states to provide inadequate education"
Asked and answered skud, asked and answered. The key to your word salad is "except", just saying. As for the label inadequate, well, that is down to State's Rights, something you skud natter on a bit, endlessly. Now you're a fan of the Fed?
skud, you are getting your talking points confused. Eat a snack, take a nap and try again.
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Total self serving ignorance with a complete lack of compassion or empathy for anyone outside of their circle of delusion and ignorance.
MAGA is not making America great again. It is accomplishing the absolute opposite. It is making Amerika great again for the Robber Barons, or Oligarchs of Amerika.
According to your post as a header you say our education system is inadequate. If this is the case, which I agree with, why would you want to fund the department of education for their failure to manage education. Eliminate the department of education and send those funds to the states to manage their schools.
skud: "...send those funds to the states to manage their schools."
THAT IS WHAT THE DOE DOES!
I've explained this to you in other comment threads!
If students are doing poorly, then it is the individual states, cities, and towns that are to blame, since they control what is in the curricula and what is not.
Your criticisms should be with, say, states like West Virginia, Louisiana, and Mississippi, which have the worst student outcomes in the country, and ask what the hell it does with the money the DoE gives them to supplement what that state cannot afford to do for their students!
From Nevada Today (UNR):
"While the DoE plays a role in funding education, states and local governments are primarily responsible for education. They establish schools, develop curricula, and determine requirements for enrollment and graduation.
"The most important thing to know is that states and local governments still maintain control of educational systems. Establishing schools, developing curricula, setting requirements for academic progression and graduation, choosing books and materials, and determining academic standards are all done at state and local levels. Individual states set licensing requirements for teachers and other educational staff. But all of these things cost money; do local school districts and states have enough money to fund all the work they do for students in schools?
In short – no. This is where the Department of Education plays a role. Congress appropriates funds for the Department of Education that are then primarily distributed to students, state and local educational agencies, and community-based organizations that support students. For example, every state receives funds through the Individuals with Disabilities Education Act to support the education of students with disabilities in their local schools.
So the funds received by the various states, cities and towns are used as those states, cities and town determine needs.
Every state receives funds through Title I of the Elementary and Secondary Education Act (you may have known it as No Child Left Behind, now reauthorized as the Every Student Succeeds Act) that supports students from low socioeconomic backgrounds, students with limited English proficiency, Native American children, and children who are neglected or delinquent. The Department also funds postsecondary education directly to students through Pell grants and student loans."
West Virginia: Has the lowest educational attainment in the US, with a large percentage of adults having only a high school diploma or less
Mississippi: Has the second-lowest educational attainment in the US, with a low percentage of high school diploma holders
Louisiana: Has the third-lowest educational attainment in the US
Arkansas: Has a lower educational attainment rank, but a higher quality of education rank
Alabama: Has a lower educational attainment rank, but a higher quality of education rank
New Mexico: Has low math test scores and high dropout rates
Arizona: Has low test scores, low teacher salaries, and a high pupil-to-teacher ratio
Other states that have been ranked low in education include Oklahoma and Alaska.
The states with the best-performing public schools include Massachusetts, Connecticut, and Maryland.
Here is an idea for the low preforming states (which I note are MAGA red states) when the Musk(rat)/tRump team eliminates the DoE and it will be relatively inexpensive. Buy bibles and educate from them. It will likely give the Christian Nationalists a real tingle up their legs as well. And they can purchase Trump bibles to support their Fuhrer who has stated he loves the uneducated.
Hope skud finally reads and understands your efforts to educate him Shaw.
I think a lot of people like skud have a default position to blame everything on the federal government.
It is clear that skud doesn't know what the DoE does and does not do. The individual states make the determination on how much $$$ they'll spend to educate their students, what the curricula will be, etc.
The DoE helps those states that need more funding because they cannot provide what their students need.
And yes, the facts are that it is a majority of Red States -- Trumper states -- that have the poorest educational outcomes for their students, they're also among the poorest states -- the states that Blue States give their federal taxes to.
Skud should be asking why those states cannot do better.
Out of 238 BILLION budget about half is sent to schools and the other half goes to the bureaucracy used to send that money. Mass received 2122 per student in federal funds while Arkansas received 2749 per student. Given that Mass is the toward the top and Arkansas is toward the bottom are the taxpayers getting their monies worth. Other than hand out money what other function does the DOE provide since they don't care about the quality of education. Take the money collected and find another bloated bureaucracy to dole out the funds.
Support vouchers for education which makes schools accountable for providing education because they are competing for students. Take the payoff and pork out of education.
"Given that Mass is the toward the top..." Massachusetts IS THE TOP.
And Red States are at the bottom.
The bottom Red States receive funds according to a formula that addresses their needs. It is up to the individual states to worry about the quality of education they give to their students. Would you rather the feds interfere with what is taught in those states?
Massachusetts receives funding, as do all states, according to its needs for special students and other educational needs not covered by its budget.
Again, I'd ask you what do the Red States do with the funds they're given to address special needs? Why do they continue to fail their students' educational needs? States control their curricula, not the DoE.
As for your voucher idea, no matter how you look at it, vouchers undermine strong public education and student opportunity. They take scarce funding from public schools—which serve 90 percent of students—and give it to private schools—institutions that are not accountable to taxpayers. Vouchers treat learning like a commodity, and a free market doesn't always work in a interest of the consumer.
And again you didn't answer my question of why do we need the DoE since they control nothing except giving money to states to provide inadequate education.
Vouchers give those evil parents the ability to give their child a better education and they can be used to choose which public or private school they want which puts pressure on schools. Yes the unions are against them because their function is to make sure non motivated teachers keep their jobs.
Mass is the top of the heap in test scores so maybe we should have their education department take over the country because the feds have failed you you support their failure.
"Mass is the top of the heap in test scores so maybe we should have their education department take over the country because the feds have failed you you support their failure."
The feds did not fail me. I live in a state that values education and it shows in the fact that it leads the nation.
It is the Red State voters who have failed their own children by re-electing the same local politicians and local school committees who deliver substandard education systems to their constituents.
Take Oklahoma for example. It is one of the worst in education outcomes but what does it state superintendent do to address the problems? He wants to force Oklahoma's students to watch a religious video in their classrooms!
And Louisiana, another Red State with poor student outcomes, has decided that the best way to address their failing students is to mandate the 10 Commandments be placed in every schoolroom in the state, because everyone knows that telling children to "not covet they neighbor's wife and goods" will be a big help in understanding algebra!
Dot fret skud. Your projections are your best effort. Daily almost.
skud said "And again you didn't answer my question of why do we need the DoE since they control nothing except giving money to states to provide inadequate education"
Asked and answered skud, asked and answered. The key to your word salad is "except", just saying. As for the label inadequate, well, that is down to State's Rights, something you skud natter on a bit, endlessly. Now you're a fan of the Fed?
skud, you are getting your talking points confused. Eat a snack, take a nap and try again.
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