What's your opinion? Could Ted Nugent be that manipulative? It seems to me he loves to mouth off and be in the spotlight anyway, but even for him this seemed over the top. Could the reason have been ammo sales?Ted Nugent just said some really crazy stuff. But he has a very important reason to get himself in the news. He’s launching his own line of Ted Nugent brand ammunition.Despite his nutty ranting, you actually have nothing to fear from Ted Nugent. In Nugent-world he’s a brave man because he won’t leave home without a gun hidden way up under his shirt. But being afraid to go outside without a gun isn’t a sign of bravery; it is decisive evidence of cowardliness. The vast majority of Americans prove that every day (including the vast majority of gun owners.)Of course the gun hiders don’t want you to know that little secret. Heck, they don’t even want to admit it to themselves. But that’s the long and short of it. These guys bloviate and hide guns up under their skirts… I mean shirts… for the same reason. They are afraid of the big, bad world outside of the castle walls. It’s all smoke and bluster – underneath is a scared little boy terrified he’ll get eaten by a dragon.
What do you think about the idea Zuma puts forth about the motivations of gun owners who want to carry concealed? I think it's spot on.
Please leave a comment.
This is no more a manipulation than some celebrity who fronts for a company hawking perfume. Big deal.
ReplyDeleteBut Salon used to be in interesting magazine. I see that its standards for writers has gone down significantly since it got started. This guy's yammering to assuage his own insecurities.
There, see? I can make up nonsense about his motivations, too. Neither of us has any evidence to support the statement, but who cares about that?
No Greg, you're was just a silly example. What the author of this article was doing was a serious attempt to explain why Ted suddenly made national headlines going over the top even for him.
ReplyDeleteI almost have a kind-of respect for Ted Nugent. He's a slick operator. It's his followers that I disparage, the guys who take hom seriously, those Neanderthals at the NRA convention who were nodding their heads as he spoke.
Nugent's been saying wild things for a long time, or so I've heard. I don't pay him much mind. But you'd have to show that this latest comment was outside the norm for him, something that I doubt is impossible to do on objective criteria alone.
DeleteBut hey, are you going to tell me that my public opinions exist just because I want you to buy my books?
Of course it was outside the norm. How often does he get national attention and an investigation by Secret Service?
DeleteWell, let's try your style of thinking. The Secret Service has a bit of a screw up lately, so they want something else to draw attention away from that--good enough for a conspiratorial explanation?
Delete"Could Ted Nugent be that manipulative?"
ReplyDeletemikeb302000, are you sayin' that Teddy Teabagger might be griftin' the marks that are Gunzloonznation? Oh, NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOes!
"This is no more a manipulation than some celebrity who fronts for a company hawking perfume. Big deal."
Even considering your normal habit of making "arguments" based on moronically contrived false equivalencies, THAT one is a howler. People dying from the effects of being "perpperfumed" by the horde of homeinvasionists must be in the minority, since I've never heard of it happenting. Why not pick something like a 4K caloried burger with 200 grams of fat? I mean that might actually KILL someone (although it would take more than one and might involve YEARS instead of milliseconds to effect the homicide).
"Nugent's been saying wild things for a long time, or so I've heard. I don't pay him much mind."
So, after admitting the other day that you know fuckall-1 about Teddy Teabagger, you're indignorantly doublin' down on teh burnin' stoopit?
Democommie, go look at the ammunition that Nugent's face is on. That's rifle ammunition, not handgun ammunition. Rifles aren't typically used in firearms crimes.
DeleteBut you call my comment a false equivalency. Let's see: a famous singer whose face appears on a product. How often have we seen that? The product is irrelevant for the comparison. Just because you don't like one product doesn't make a comparison false.
As for our discussion earlier about Nugent, I was responding to your comment. You implied that Nugent was bad for claiming not to use drugs. You didn't offer proof that his statement is a lie. You just went on and on about how terrible it was for him to say that he was drug free.
Motivations for concealed carry ... I think we have to break that down in two categories: motivations to carry and motivations to conceal.
ReplyDeleteMotivations to carry:
Violent crime and animal attacks. Law enforcement agencies have records of about 1.25 million violent crimes against U.S. citizens in 2010. More violent crimes happened for which law enforcement agencies have no record. I don't have the numbers off-hand for animal attacks. Over the course of 20 years, there will be something like 25 to 40 million violent crimes and animal attacks. Distributed evenly across the U.S. population of about 310 million, that means somewhere between 1 in 12 and 1 in 8 U.S. citizens will be victims of violent crime over the course of 20 years. That means about 1 in 2 or 1 in 3 families of four people will have at least one family member that is the victim of a violent crime. I am not a Spring chicken and may not be able to fend of a violent attacker with my bare fists -- especially if the attacker has a weapon. That is my reason to carry. Given that reality, it seems foolish to not be armed -- especially if you have a family that is depending on you.
Motivations to conceal:
It provides the element of surprise. It keeps criminals guessing. It pacifies the members of the public who are afraid of seeing armed citizens.
What is so irrational about all of that?
The motivation for carry to respond to a criminal situation, OK, I get that.
DeleteBut the motivation to conceal, well in Texas you have no choice. Its the law, if you want to carry legally you have to conceal it.
Conceal carry is a big pain in the behind. I would much prefer open carry, and do unless I go into town. There I rarely carry unless its one of those small border towns where there is a lot of illegal border crossers making problems. There we all open carry.
Gun bans all across the US began with banning conceal carry. It was considered then that if your concealing your gun, your concealing the fact that your planning on committing a crime. Only upstanding citizens that did carry did so openly. Now open carry happens in a lot of states in various forms of laws, but not in all states. Texas requires me to conceal carry if I wish to do so, and doing so legally makes me feel like a criminal. I dont like to hide anything, not one thing! Conceal carry just feels wrong,,,,,, to me anyway.
Open carry isn't allowed here in Arkansas as well. I don't get too worked up about it right now. After all, most people don't think about banning what they don't see.
DeleteMy opinion? what does my opinion matter here? I can say that I knew Ted Nugent and saw the boy tripping his butt off on LSD in more than a few occasions. We are from the same nabe in Detroit. I know all the members of the band he played in before the Amboy Dukes...The Lourds....I know the story of how he had the mother of all bad LSD experiences and tried to kill 2 of his best friends and the subsequent period of 3 months here he could not put words together to express a coherent thought in any known language. After Teds "bad trip" he was never the same. I think Nugent is an excellent technical guitarist to a point, but point and the technical part ends about 1969. He is nuts, but highly intelligent and in America, a nutty celebrity can be exploited politically. Ted has his scam and he is functional enough to make his celebrity status and insanity marginally profitable for him. In other words, his posturing is a cynical ploy to market himself, he knows he is being used and is only too happy to be used and profit from it. I f you want more Ted Nugent anecdotes, just ask me. We're talking Rosedale, a neighborhood of northwestern Detroit, Redford High School, mid 60's and the entire evolving freak scene that created it's own tsunami in the cultural and political world of the 60's. It's a stinky little world.
ReplyDeleteWonderful. I should have know you'd have the scoop.
DeleteSo, Microdot, your problem is that you do or you don't remember the sixties--which is it?
DeleteEvery time I hear Uncle Ted going off the deep end I assume he's got a new album/tour/hunting related product..So this fits in with my assumption..Helluva marketing scam though.
ReplyDeleteJust another NRA board member with close ties to gun/ammo manufacturers and something to gain by advocating more guns in more places. It's not about the 2A at all. It's about money.
ReplyDeleteBut Oprah appearing on the cover of her magazine is all about free speech? Or were you unaware that money is at the heart of a capitalist system? You act as though there's something icky about commerce. What's that saying, it's only filthy when it's someone else's lucre.
DeleteExcept that the NRA is designated as a 501(c)(4) non-profit group. Given their close ties to industry, they should either have their non-profit status revoked or change their board member and focus.
DeleteI suppose you have a case to make? Evidence to provide? Or are you just speculating based on bias? Because Nugent's a board member, he's not allowed to make money? The fact is that you don't like the NRA, so anything that they do seems suspect to you. But that's all you have.
DeleteI love it! Ted scammed and manipulated Mikeb right into giving him more attention. The guy's a genius! HAHAHAHAHAHA!
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Greg Camp continues to insist that Ted Nugent pushing ammo is the equivalent to a celebrity marketing other goods. Sure, Greggie, I can see your point (at least until you put the floppy hat back on). I mean Oprah has many times made veiled references to being killed or imprisoned by ANY sitting president's goonz--what, she hasn't?
ReplyDeleteShe's committed multiple crimes against literature and other aspects of culture--a far worse offense.
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ReplyDelete1. "She's committed multiple crimes against literature and other aspects of culture--a far worse offense."
ReplyDeleteObviously a PAotNRA* like you--who wants to be taken seriously, afforded due consideration of his views (based on unsupported, idiotic assertions) and, last but hardly least given the RESPECT that he deserves and craves (oh, but you must PINE for the days of yore when, like your hero, Wild Bill Hickok, you could just shoot down some scurvy dog for dissing you by wearing your watch in public, after besting you at a gaming table)--would want to offer succinct, logical and compelling arguments when comparing an offensive piece of shit like Teddy Teabagger with someone else. I think you were attempting to be humorous in your comment; sorry it's just inane and vacuous--are you sure you're not a member of the GOPeabaggers?
* Pro-killing Adherent of the National Rife Association
Why do so many of your comments disappear, Democommie? "This comment has been removed by the author." We see that under your name a lot. Could it be that someone is deleting even more incoherent remarks from you than the ones that go through?
DeleteBy the author means by the AUTHOR. Stop tryin' to stir up shit, Greg.
DeleteOnce or twice, I could understand, but it happens on page after page.
DeleteNo, see what it is Greggie is that sometimes I look at a comment and see that I ACCIDENTALLY misspelled/mispelled/mispelt/misspelted a word and I just cut'n'paste it into a new comment, make whatever correction I want to and then re-transmit. No mysterious censors. When mikeb302000 shitcans a comment it says, "blog administrator", IIRC. I've never deleted a comment other than one of my own; if I was into deleting nonsensical comments you would be seeing the results in briefer threads without a lot of your timelessly tendentious and trite twaddle.
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