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 From : Eugene D. Shelwien                   2:5020/400     18 Feb 03 20:41:29
 To   : Maxim Smirnov                       
 Subj : Re: ëó÷øèå àðèôìåòèêè äå-ôàêòî                                               


From: "Eugene D. Shelwien" <shelwien@thermosyn.com>

Hi!

>  >> Ó÷åáíûé êîìïðåññîð DummyPPM.cpp ("DummyPPM coder (method D), íàïå÷àòàí
>  >> Ì.Ñìèðíîâûì â 2000ã) èñïîëüçóåò "arith.c by Michael Schindler, Feb. 1997"
>  >> ñ  ïîìåòêîé "Public domain ñ ó÷åòîì gnu'ñíîñòè arith"
> 
>  EDS> ×åñòíî ñêàçàòü, íå âèæó ñìûñëà åãî (îðèãèíàëüíûé rangecoder)
>  EDS> èñïîëüçîâàòü.  Hàïèñàí î÷åíü çàïóòàííî è íåýôôåêòèâíî.
>  EDS>
> 
> Çàïóòàííî -- ôàêò.
> Håýôôåêòèâíî -- ñïîðíî. 

_Hàïèñàí_ íåýôôåêòèâíî ;)
Ò.å. òîò æå àëãîðèòì áóäåò ðàáîòàòü áûñòðåé â íîðìàëüíîé ðåàëèçàöèè.

> Ïî ñæàòèþ îí ÷óòîê îáñòàâëÿåò ïðî÷èå èññëåäîâàííûå ìíîþ ðåàëèçàöèè. 
> Ðàáîòàåò ïðàêòè÷åñêè íîçäðÿ â íîçäðþ ñ q-êîäåðîì.

Ó íåãî MaxFreq íà îäèí áèò ìåíüøå. Äëÿ ppmy ýòî èìååò çíà÷åíèå.
 
> Maxim

Ñ÷àñòëèâî!
 - Øåëâèí

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Ïðèÿòíîãî òåáå äíÿ è íåçàáûâàåìîé íî÷è, All!

÷èòàþ âàñ è ÷óâñòâóþ ñåáÿ ïàïóàñîì ñ çåðêàëüöåì. ëàäíî, çàâòðà ïîñòàðàþñü âíåñò
è ñâîé ïîñèëüíûé âêëàä ;)

Bulat, mailto:bulatz-AT-fort.tatarstan.ru, ICQ: work 15872722, home 11849833

... Èíîãäà äëÿ òîãî, ÷òîáû èçìåíèòü ñâîå âîñïðèÿòèå ìèðà,
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 From : Dmitry Subbotin                      2:5020/400     19 Feb 03 01:10:55
 To   : Eugene D. Shelwien                  
 Subj : Re: ëó÷øèå àðèôìåòèêè äå-ôàêòî                                               


From: "Dmitry Subbotin" <morf@nline.ru>

Tue Feb 18 2003 20:32, Eugene D. Shelwien wrote to Dmitry Subbotin:

 >> 1. Îáû÷íûå àðèôìåòè÷åñêèå êîäåðû. Îáåñïå÷èâàþò êîäèðîâàíèå äàííûõ ñ
 >> ðàçìåðîì  âûõîäà áëèçêîãî ê îïòèìàëüíîìó.
 EDS> Håñêîëüêî íàïîìèíàåò èçâåñòíóþ ðåêëàìó ;). 
 EDS> Êàêèå êîíêðåòíî "îáû÷íûå" êîäåðû èìåþòñÿ â âèäó?

Hó êàê îíè îïèñàíû âî âñåõ ñòàðûõ ñòàòüÿõ. Âñåì, êòî èõ ÷èòàë, ýòî äîëæíî áûòü
èçâåñòíî. ;)

 EDS> Ïîñìîòðè, pls, ìîè ìîäèôèêàöèè øèíäëåðîâñêîãî êîäåðà â
 EDS> Ðàñïðîñòðàíÿþòñÿ ëè íà íèõ øèíäëåðîâñêèå ïðàâà?

Äóìàþ, íåò. Ïðàâà Øèíäëåðà ðàñïðîñòðàíÿþòñÿ íà êîä, íî íå íà ñàìó èäåþ
rangecoder'à.

 >> 3. Carryless rangecoder èì. ìåíÿ (îí æå "ðóññêèé íàðîäíûé"). Ïðåäñòàâëÿåò
 >> ñîáîé ìîäèôèêàöèþ rangecoder'à, ñèëüíî óïðîùåííóþ çà ñ÷åò ïðèìåíåíèÿ
 >> àëüòåðíàòèâíîé ñõåìû îáðàáîòêè ïåðåíîñîâ. Håìíîãî áûñòðåå îáû÷íîãî
 >> rangecoder'a (íåñóùåñòâåííî äëÿ PPM), 
 EDS> Hî äåêîäèðîâàíèå ìåäëåííåé.

Äà, âîò ýòî ÿ íàâðàë, ïðèçíàþ. Ðåàëüíî ïî òåñòàì ðàçíèöû ïî÷òè íèêàêîé.

 >> 4. Rangecoder'û îò Å.Øåëâèíà. Hàñêîëüêî ÿ çíàþ, ÿâëÿþòñÿ âàðèàíòîì
 >> carryless'à, â êîòîðîì ñíÿòî îãðàíè÷åíèå íà TotalFreq ïóòåì èñïîëüçîâàíèÿ
 >> áîëüøèõ ÷èñåë.

 EDS> Äàëåêî íå òîëüêî. Åùå åñòü íåñêîëüêî âàðèàöèé íà òåìó øèíäëåðîâñêîãî 
 EDS> rangecoder'à (çíà÷èòåëüíî óïðîùåííûõ ñðàâíèòåëüíî ñ îðèãèíàëîì), åùå
 EDS> áîëåå êîìïàêòíàÿ âåðñèÿ carryless (CLR), à òàêæå ðåàëèçàöèÿ 
 EDS> ñîâåðøåííî äðóãîãî ìåòîäà èçáåæàíèÿ ïåðåíîñà (CLRF).

Ïîñìîòðåë. CLRF - ýòî ïîòåíöèàëüíûé ãëþêîäðîì. CLR - íàòóðàëüíûé âàðèàíò
carryless'à, â êîòîðîì ñíÿòî îãðíè÷åíèå íà TotalFreq. ;) Âðîäå äîëæåí
ðàáîòàòü. 

 EDS> Hå ãîâîðÿ óæå î ïàðàëëåëüíîé (parcoder.rar) è ìóëüòèàëôàâèòíîé
 EDS> (marcdemo.rar) âåðñèÿõ rangecoder'à.

Òóò ïðèçíàþ ÷òî íå âîçäàë äîëæíîå òâîèì òðóäàì. 

 >>  öåëîì ìîæíî ñêàçàòü, ÷òî ñ òî÷êè çðåíèÿ ñæàòèÿ áîëüøîé ðàçíèöû ìåæäó
 >> ðàçíûìè  êîäåðàìè ïî÷òè íåò (êðîìå ñëó÷àÿ 5 è îòäåëüíûõ óáëþäî÷íûõ
 >> èìïëåìåíòàöèé).

 EDS> Ïðè ïîïûòêàõ êîäèðîâàíèÿ ñîáûòèé ñ âåðîÿòíîñòüþ ìåíüøå 1/64k, ê
 EDS> ñîæàëåíèþ, òàêîâàÿ îáúÿâëÿåòñÿ.

Hó òîæå ïîæàëóé ïðàâèëüíî.

2 Ðîìàí: êîðî÷å ãîâîðÿ, ìîæíî áðàòü øåëâèíñêèé CLR êàê ïîäõîäÿùèé ïî âñåì
ñòàòüÿì êîäåð. Îãðàíè÷åíèå íà TotalFreq â 2^24 òåáÿ íàâåðíîå óñòðîèò. 


Ñ íàèëó÷øèìè, 
Äèìà

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 From : Dmitry Subbotin                      2:5020/400     19 Feb 03 11:22:45
 To   : Eugene D. Shelvein                  
 Subj : Re: ëó÷øèå àðèôìåòèêè äå-ôàêòî                                               


From: "Dmitry Subbotin" <morf@nline.ru>

Wed Feb 19 2003 01:10, Dmitry Subbotin wrote to Eugene D. Shelwien:

 DS> CLRF - ýòî ïîòåíöèàëüíûé ãëþêîäðîì. 

×åãî-òî ÿ ìåíÿ ñàìîãî ñèëüíî ãëþ÷èò â ïîñëåäíåå âðåìÿ. Ïàðäîí, âñå ñ CLRF
íîðìàëüíî, áóäåò ðàáîòàòü. 


Ñ íàèëó÷øèìè, 
Äèìà

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 From : Dmitry Shkarin                       2:5020/400     19 Feb 03 19:47:05
 To   : Maxim Smirnov                       
 Subj : Re: ëó÷øèå àðèôìåòèêè äå-ôàêòî                                               


From: "Dmitry Shkarin" <dmitry.shkarin@mtu-net.ru>

                    Hi, Maxim!
> ïðî÷èå èññëåäîâàííûå ìíîþ ðåàëèçàöèè. Ðàáîòàåò ïðàêòè÷åñêè
> íîçäðÿ â íîçäðþ ñ q-êîäåðîì.
    q-êîäåð - ýòî ÷òî? Åñëè IBMîâñêèé äâîè÷íûé Q-coder, òî ñðàâíèâàòü èõ
íåêîððåêòíî.


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 From : Maxim Smirnov                        2:5020/175.2   20 Feb 03 10:04:43
 To   : Dmitry Shkarin                      
 Subj : Re: ëó÷øèå àðèôìåòèêè äå-ôàêòî                                               


From: "Maxim Smirnov" <model@iac.spb.ru>

Wed Feb 19 2003 19:47, Dmitry Shkarin wrote to Maxim Smirnov:

 DS> From: "Dmitry Shkarin" <dmitry.shkarin@mtu-net.ru>

 DS>                     Hi, Maxim!

 >> ïðî÷èå èññëåäîâàííûå ìíîþ ðåàëèçàöèè. Ðàáîòàåò ïðàêòè÷åñêè
 >> íîçäðÿ â íîçäðþ ñ q-êîäåðîì.

 DS>     q-êîäåð - ýòî ÷òî? Åñëè IBMîâñêèé äâîè÷íûé Q-coder, òî ñðàâíèâàòü èõ
 DS> íåêîððåêòíî.

íå-à, ibm'èé q-êîäåð -- ýòî íå q-êîäåð, à äâîè÷íûé èáì'îâñêèé 
àðèôìåòèê :-)
À âîò q-êîäåðîì îäíîçíà÷íî ÿâëÿåòñÿ
ARITHMETIC CODING FOR DATA COMPRESSION
IAN H. WITTEN, RADFORD M. NEAL, and JOHN G. CLEARY
â ñèëó áîëüøîãî êîëè÷åñòâà q â èñõîäíèêå ;-)
Ïàðäîí çà ïóòàíèöó.

Êñòàòè îá ÈÁÌ. Ñòàòüÿ ïî Qx-êîäåðó:
http://www.research.ibm.com/journal/rd/426/mitchell.html

Maxim

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