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From : Maxim Smirnov 2:5020/175.2 08 Jun 02 10:42:44
To : Alexey Monastyrenko
Subj : Re: Max Effective Compression Algorithms
From: "Maxim Smirnov" <model@iac.spb.ru>
Wed Jun 05 2002 23:43, Alexey Monastyrenko wrote to Maxim Smirnov:
AM> Ïðèíöèï ðàáîòû ïîíÿòåí (õîòÿ íàâñêèäêó íå î÷åâèäíî, ÷òî ïîìîæåò), à âîò
AM> êàê ïîäáèðàëèñü ïàðû äëÿ çàìåíû - õîòü óáåé, íå ïîéìó...
Èäåÿ -- äàòü "õîðîøèé" êîíòåêñò äëÿ ïðåäñêàçàíèÿ.
Ìîæíî ïðîàíàëèçèðîâàòü óñëîâíûå ïîëèãîíû ÷àñòîò. Ìîæíî
ïðîñòî ïîäîáðàòü :-)
AM> Ìîæåò, îïðîáóþ, êîãäà áóäó âòîðóþ âåðñèþ ïèñàòü.
ok
Maxim
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From : Maxim Smirnov 2:5020/175.2 08 Jun 02 10:48:14
To : Sergey Kovalev
Subj : Re: Êíèãà "Ìåòîäû ñæàòèÿ äàííûõ"
From: "Maxim Smirnov" <model@iac.spb.ru>
Fri Jun 07 2002 21:43, Sergey Kovalev wrote to Vadim Yoockin:
SK> From: "Sergey Kovalev" <s-kovalev@nwgsm.ru>
>> Ïîýòîìó ýòà
>> êíèãà áóäåò ïîëåçíà êàê ñòóäåíòàì, òàê è ïðåïîäàâàòåëÿì âóçîâ.
SK> Hó ðàçâå òîëüêî òåì, êòî íèêîãäà ðàíüøå íå ñëûõàë î ñæàòèè äàííûõ,
SK> åñëè ñóäèòü ïî ÷àñòè "êíèãè", îïóáëèêîâàííîé íà ñàéòå.
Òû ñòóäåíòîâ-òî íûíåøíèõ âèäåë?
À çíàåøü, ÷òî îáû÷íî ïðåïîäàþò â ðàìêàõ ÒÈ ïðè îñâåùåíèè âîïðîñîâ
êîäèðîâàíèÿ èñòî÷íèêà?
Êñòàòè. Åñëè êòî-íèáóäü çàìåòèò ñìûñëîâûå îøèáêè, ÿâíûé áðåä èëè
èìååò ñâîþ îòëè÷íóþ òî÷êó çðåíèÿ, òî íå ïîëåíèòåñü íàïèñàòü
ðàçâåðíóòîå ïèñüìî îá ýòîì è ñêèíóòü íà compression@graphicon.ru
Maxim
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From : Sergey Kovalev 2:5020/400 08 Jun 02 16:45:57
To : Maxim Smirnov
Subj : Re: Êíèãà "Ìåòîäû ñæàòèÿ äàííûõ"
From: "Sergey Kovalev" <s-kovalev@nwgsm.ru>
"Maxim Smirnov" <model@iac.spb.ru> wrote in message
news:1080699836@p2.f175.n5020.z2.ftn...
> Fri Jun 07 2002 21:43, Sergey Kovalev wrote to Vadim Yoockin:
>
> SK> From: "Sergey Kovalev" <s-kovalev@nwgsm.ru>
>
> >> Ïîýòîìó ýòà
> >> êíèãà áóäåò ïîëåçíà êàê ñòóäåíòàì, òàê è ïðåïîäàâàòåëÿì âóçîâ.
>
> SK> Hó ðàçâå òîëüêî òåì, êòî íèêîãäà ðàíüøå íå ñëûõàë î ñæàòèè äàííûõ,
> SK> åñëè ñóäèòü ïî ÷àñòè "êíèãè", îïóáëèêîâàííîé íà ñàéòå.
>
> Òû ñòóäåíòîâ-òî íûíåøíèõ âèäåë?
Ê ñîæàëåíèþ, âèæó èõ ñëèøêîì ÷àñòî.
> À çíàåøü, ÷òî îáû÷íî ïðåïîäàþò â ðàìêàõ ÒÈ ïðè îñâåùåíèè âîïðîñîâ
> êîäèðîâàíèÿ èñòî÷íèêà?
Ïðåêðàñíî çíàþ. Óðîâåíü ïðåïîäàâàíèÿ è ñåé÷àñ è 20 ëåò íàçàä
ñëàáî êîððåëèðîâàí ñ óðîâíåì ñòóäåíòîâ.
Îí çàâèñèò â îñíîâíîì òîëüêî îò óðîâíÿ ïðåïîäàâàòåëÿ.
È òîãäà è ñåé÷àñ ïîíèìàþò 5 ÷åëîâåê èç ïîòîêà, à îñòàëüíûì ýòî
íóæíî ïðèìåðíî òàê æå , êàê òåáå èíòåãðàë Ëåáåãà ;)
> Êñòàòè. Åñëè êòî-íèáóäü çàìåòèò ñìûñëîâûå îøèáêè, ÿâíûé áðåä èëè
Âñåãî ýòîãî òàì ïðåäîñòàòî÷íî, íî çàíèìàòüñÿ ðåöåíçèðîâàíèåì
ïîñëå âûõîäà êíèæêè ìàëî îñìûñëåííî.
Òåì áîëåå, ÷òî íàø íåîáúÿòíûé ðûíîê ñêóøàåò âñå â ëþáîì âèäå,
ëèøü áû ýòî áûëî õîòü ÷åì-òî ñâÿçàíî ñ ïåðåäîâûìè òåõíîëîãèÿìè
îáðàáîòêè èíôîðìàöèè. Õîòÿ áû íàçâàíèåì. ;)
Ïî äàííûì ñòàòèñòèêè èçäàòåëüñêîå äåëî îòíîñèòñÿ ê íàèáîëåå áëàãîïðèÿòíûì
ñôåðàì áèçíåñà. Êàæåòñÿ, íà ÷åòâåðòîì èëè ïÿòîì ìåñòå ïîñëå òîðãîâëè íåôòüþ,
íàðêîòèêàìè, ðûíêîì èíòèìíûõ óñëóã è åùå ÷åì-òî.
Òàê ÷òî "ïðàâèëüíîé äîðîãîé èäåòå, òîâàðèùè!"
Êñòàòè, îá èíòèìíûõ óñëóãàõ. ×òî çà ìóæèêà âû òàì ïîñòîÿííî æìåòå ?
 ïðèëè÷íûõ äîìàõ ïðèíÿòî æàòü ôèçèîíîìèè Ìèññ Àìåðèêè èëè Êëàðû.
Åñëè óæ âàì õîòåëîñü ÷åãî-òî ýðîòè÷íîãî, íàäî áûëî âçÿòü Ëåíó,
íî íå îáùåïðèíÿòûé âàðèàíò, ãäå îíà öåëîìóäðåíî îáðåçàíà ïî ïîÿñ,
à âçÿòü åå ôîòêó öåëèêîì, â ïîëíûé ðîñò, òàê, êàê îíà áûëà íàïå÷àòàíà
íà îáëîæêå Ïëåéáîÿ. Ñòóäåíòû áûëè áû â âîñòîðãå, à êíèæêà
ðàñõîäèëàñü áû êàê ãîðÿ÷èå ïèðîæêè ;))
À âû - êàêîãî-òî ìàëî ñèìïàòè÷íîãî ìóæèêà ñ , èçâèíèòå, ïðîòîêîëüíîé
ôèçèîíîìèåé. Ó ÷èòàòåëåé ýòî íå âûçîâåò íèêàêèõ ïîëîæèòåëüíûõ ýìîöèé.
Âî âñÿêîì ñëó÷àå ó ìíîãèõ ;)
SK
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From : Maxim Smirnov 2:5020/175.2 08 Jun 02 18:46:22
To : Sergey Kovalev
Subj : Re: Êíèãà "Ìåòîäû ñæàòèÿ äàííûõ"
From: "Maxim Smirnov" <model@iac.spb.ru>
Sat Jun 08 2002 16:45, Sergey Kovalev wrote to Maxim Smirnov:
>> >> Ïîýòîìó ýòà
>> >> êíèãà áóäåò ïîëåçíà êàê ñòóäåíòàì, òàê è ïðåïîäàâàòåëÿì âóçîâ.
>>
>> SK> Hó ðàçâå òîëüêî òåì, êòî íèêîãäà ðàíüøå íå ñëûõàë î ñæàòèè äàííûõ,
>> SK> åñëè ñóäèòü ïî ÷àñòè "êíèãè", îïóáëèêîâàííîé íà ñàéòå.
>>
>> Òû ñòóäåíòîâ-òî íûíåøíèõ âèäåë?
SK> Ê ñîæàëåíèþ, âèæó èõ ñëèøêîì ÷àñòî.
Ñî÷óâñòâóþ.
SK> Ïðåêðàñíî çíàþ. Óðîâåíü ïðåïîäàâàíèÿ è ñåé÷àñ è 20 ëåò íàçàä
SK> ñëàáî êîððåëèðîâàí ñ óðîâíåì ñòóäåíòîâ.
SK> Îí çàâèñèò â îñíîâíîì òîëüêî îò óðîâíÿ ïðåïîäàâàòåëÿ.
À òàêæå îò øêîëüíîé áàçû, îáùåé ïñèõîëîãè÷åñêîé
îáñòàíîâêè è ò.ï. È ÷òî?
SK> È òîãäà è ñåé÷àñ ïîíèìàþò 5 ÷åëîâåê èç ïîòîêà, à îñòàëüíûì ýòî
Hå ñîãëàñåí.
SK> íóæíî ïðèìåðíî òàê æå , êàê òåáå èíòåãðàë Ëåáåãà ;)
:-)
>> Êñòàòè. Åñëè êòî-íèáóäü çàìåòèò ñìûñëîâûå îøèáêè, ÿâíûé áðåä èëè
SK> Âñåãî ýòîãî òàì ïðåäîñòàòî÷íî, íî çàíèìàòüñÿ ðåöåíçèðîâàíèåì
SK> ïîñëå âûõîäà êíèæêè ìàëî îñìûñëåííî.
Ìîæíî ïåðåðàáîòàòü, òîãäà ñëåäóþùèé òèðàæ áóäåò áîëåå êà÷åñòâåííûì.
SK> Òåì áîëåå, ÷òî íàø íåîáúÿòíûé ðûíîê ñêóøàåò âñå â ëþáîì âèäå,
SK> ëèøü áû ýòî áûëî õîòü ÷åì-òî ñâÿçàíî ñ ïåðåäîâûìè òåõíîëîãèÿìè
SK> îáðàáîòêè èíôîðìàöèè. Õîòÿ áû íàçâàíèåì. ;)
À ýòî çäåñü ïðè ÷åì?
SK> Ïî äàííûì ñòàòèñòèêè èçäàòåëüñêîå äåëî îòíîñèòñÿ ê íàèáîëåå áëàãîïðèÿòíûì
Ñòàòèñòèêà íå çàíèìàåòñÿ òàêèì äåòàëüíûì ó÷åòîì íåíàáëþäàåìîé ýêîíîìèêè...
"Ýòî ÿ êàê âðà÷ ãîâîðþ"
SK> ñôåðàì áèçíåñà. Êàæåòñÿ, íà ÷åòâåðòîì èëè ïÿòîì ìåñòå ïîñëå òîðãîâëè
SK> íåôòüþ, íàðêîòèêàìè, ðûíêîì èíòèìíûõ óñëóã è åùå ÷åì-òî.
SK> Òàê ÷òî "ïðàâèëüíîé äîðîãîé èäåòå, òîâàðèùè!"
Áûë êîãäà-íèáóäü â Äèàëîã-ÌÈÔÈ?
SK> Êñòàòè, îá èíòèìíûõ óñëóãàõ. ×òî çà ìóæèêà âû òàì ïîñòîÿííî æìåòå ?
Ïðåäóïðåæäàÿ ïîäîáíûå âîïðîñû. Â ðîëè Âàñè Ïóïêèíà âûñòóïàåò
Äìèòðèé Âàòîëèí.
SK>  ïðèëè÷íûõ äîìàõ ïðèíÿòî æàòü ôèçèîíîìèè Ìèññ Àìåðèêè èëè Êëàðû.
SK> Åñëè óæ âàì õîòåëîñü ÷åãî-òî ýðîòè÷íîãî, íàäî áûëî âçÿòü Ëåíó,
SK> íî íå îáùåïðèíÿòûé âàðèàíò, ãäå îíà öåëîìóäðåíî îáðåçàíà ïî ïîÿñ,
SK> à âçÿòü åå ôîòêó öåëèêîì, â ïîëíûé ðîñò, òàê, êàê îíà áûëà íàïå÷àòàíà
ýòî óæå áàíàëüíî. Âèäåë áóðæóéñêèå êíèãè ïî ñæàòèþ?
SK> SK
 îáùåì, åñëè åñòü ÷òî ñêàçàòü, ïèøèòå, áóäåì áëàãîäàðíû.
Maxim
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From : Sergey Kovalev 2:5020/400 09 Jun 02 00:13:49
To : Maxim Smirnov
Subj : Re: Êíèãà "Ìåòîäû ñæàòèÿ äàííûõ"
From: "Sergey Kovalev" <s-kovalev@nwgsm.ru>
"Maxim Smirnov" <model@iac.spb.ru> wrote in message
news:1082535810@p2.f175.n5020.z2.ftn...
> Sat Jun 08 2002 16:45, Sergey Kovalev wrote to Maxim Smirnov:
[]
> SK>×òî çà ìóæèêà âû òàì ïîñòîÿííî æìåòå ?
>
> Ïðåäóïðåæäàÿ ïîäîáíûå âîïðîñû. Â ðîëè Âàñè Ïóïêèíà âûñòóïàåò
> Äìèòðèé Âàòîëèí.
ß â êàêîé-òî ìîìåíò çàñîìíåâàëñÿ, êîãäà ïèñàë î "ïðîòîêîëüíîé ôèçèîíîìèè",
à âäðóã ýòî êòî-òî èç àâòîðîâ. Hó íåò, ïîäóìàë ÿ, íå ìîãëè ðåáÿòà îïóñòèòüñÿ
äî ñòîëü äåøåâîé ñàìîðåêëàìû. Âîò è ïîïàë âïðîñàê...
"Ïðîòîêîëüíóþ ôèçèîíîìèþ" çàáèðàþ îáðàòíî, ïîñêîëüêî íåëüçÿ â ñïîðå
îïóñêàòüñÿ äî îáñóæäåíèÿ ôèçè÷åñêèõ õàðàêòåðèñòèê îïïîíåíòà.
> SK>  ïðèëè÷íûõ äîìàõ ïðèíÿòî æàòü ôèçèîíîìèè Ìèññ Àìåðèêè èëè Êëàðû.
> ýòî óæå áàíàëüíî. Âèäåë áóðæóéñêèå êíèãè ïî ñæàòèþ?
Êñòàòè î áóðæóéñêèõ êíèãàõ. Â ññûëêàõ ê ãëàâå ïî ñæàòèþ èçîáðàæåíèé
íåò ññûëîê íà áóðæóéñêèå êíèãè, íàïå÷àòàííûå ïîñëå 92-ãî ãîäà.
Ñïåøó îáðàäîâàòü àâòîðîâ, ÷òî çà ðóáåæîì ñ òåõ ïîð âûøëî ìíîãî
òîëñòûõ è óìíûõ êíèã ïî ýòîé òåìàòèêå.
Ñ íèìè íåïëîõî áûëî áû ïîçíàêîìèòüñÿ è ñîñëàòüñÿ â ñïèñêå ëèòåðàòóðû..
À ìîæåò äàæå è ïî÷åðïíóòü â íèõ äëÿ ñåáÿ ÷òî-òî íîâîå ;))
Êñòàòè, åñëè íàéäåòå áóðæóéñêóþ êíèãó, ãäå àâòîð èñïîëüçóåò ñâîå
èçîáðàæåíèå â êà÷åñòâå èëëþñòðàöèè ê êàêîìó-òî àëãîðèòìó ñæàòèÿ
- ïðîñüáà ñîîáùèòü ìíå ññûëêó ;)
SK
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From : Maxim Smirnov 2:5020/175.2 09 Jun 02 12:38:52
To : Sergey Kovalev
Subj : Re: Êíèãà "Ìåòîäû ñæàòèÿ äàííûõ"
From: "Maxim Smirnov" <model@iac.spb.ru>
Sun Jun 09 2002 00:13, Sergey Kovalev wrote to Maxim Smirnov:
SK> From: "Sergey Kovalev" <s-kovalev@nwgsm.ru>
>> ýòî óæå áàíàëüíî. Âèäåë áóðæóéñêèå êíèãè ïî ñæàòèþ?
SK> Êñòàòè î áóðæóéñêèõ êíèãàõ. Â ññûëêàõ ê ãëàâå ïî ñæàòèþ èçîáðàæåíèé
SK> íåò ññûëîê íà áóðæóéñêèå êíèãè, íàïå÷àòàííûå ïîñëå 92-ãî ãîäà.
SK> Ñïåøó îáðàäîâàòü àâòîðîâ, ÷òî çà ðóáåæîì ñ òåõ ïîð âûøëî ìíîãî
SK> òîëñòûõ è óìíûõ êíèã ïî ýòîé òåìàòèêå.
SK> Ñ íèìè íåïëîõî áûëî áû ïîçíàêîìèòüñÿ è ñîñëàòüñÿ â ñïèñêå ëèòåðàòóðû..
Ïî ïîâîäó ëèòåðàòóðû. Ìû ñòàðàëèñü íå äàâàòü ññûëîê íà òðóäíîäîñòóïíûå
ìàòåðèàëû. Òå ñòàòüè, íà êîòîðûå åñòü ññûëêè è êîòîðûõ ïîêà íåò
â ýëåêòðîííîì âèäå, ïîñòåïåííî áóäóò îòñêàíèðîâàíû è âûëîæåíû íà ñàéò.
Ïîõîæå, Ñåðãåé, ëè÷íî ìíå ñ òîáîé îáñóæäàòü íå÷åãî.
Maxim
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From : Pavel Fomin 2:5026/49.21 09 Jun 02 15:19:11
To : Sergei Markoff
Subj : Re: Deflate()
Hi Sergei!
07 Jun 02 23:44, you wrote to Sergey Mullin:
SM> ×òî ñàìîå ïpèêîëüíîå, è ìåòîä Õàôôìàíà (ïîñòpîåíèå äåpåâà ñíèçó) è ìåòîä
SM> Øåííîíà-Ôàíî (ñâåpõó) íå äàþò â 100% ñëó÷àåâ îïòèìàëüíîãî äåpåâà...
? À ÷òî æå òîãäà äîêàçàë Õàôôìàí â ñâîåé "A Method for The Construction of Mini
mum Redundancy Codes"?
Pasha 1st, RU.(PASCAL[.SOURCES|.CHAINIK|.ASM]|ACM)
... Ãîâîðèëà ìíå ìàìà: "Hå ëåçü â ñèñòåìùèêè"
--- GoldED/W32 3.0.1-asa9 SR3
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From : Bulat Ziganshin 2:5093/4.126 09 Jun 02 15:32:16
To : Sergei Markoff
Subj : Deflate()
* Originally in RU.COMPRESS
Ïðèÿòíîãî òåáå äíÿ è íåçàáûâàåìîé íî÷è, Sergei!
Friday June 07 2002, Sergei Markoff writes to Sergey Mullin:
SM> ×òî ñàìîå ïpèêîëüíîå, è ìåòîä Õàôôìàíà (ïîñòpîåíèå äåpåâà ñíèçó) è
SM> ìåòîä Øåííîíà-Ôàíî (ñâåpõó) íå äàþò â 100% ñëó÷àåâ îïòèìàëüíîãî
SM> äåpåâà...
ïðèìåð äàé :) äëÿ Õàôôìàíà, ðàçóìååòñÿ
Bulat, mailto:bulatz-AT-fort.tatarstan.ru, ICQ: work 15872722, home 11849833
... Èíîãäà äëÿ òîãî, ÷òîáû èçìåíèòü ñâîå âîñïðèÿòèå ìèðà,
... ëþäè ïûòàþòñÿ èçìåíèòü ñàì ìèð
--- GoldED+/W32 1.1.2
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From : Vadim Yoockin 2:5020/1042.50 09 Jun 02 16:33:10
To : Maxim Smirnov
Subj : exe compression
Ïpèâåòñòâóþ, Maxim!
07 Jun 02, Maxim Smirnov ïèñàë ê All:
MS> Âûëîæèë àðõèèíòåðåñíóþ ñâåæåâîðîâàííóþ
MS> ñòàòüþ ïðî ñæàòèå èñïîëíèìûõ ôàéëîâ.
MS> Êàê îáû÷íî, äåëî ðóê ìàéêðîñîôòîâñêèõ
MS> íàéìèòîâ.
MS> http://compression.graphicon.ru/download/
MS> articles/exe/drinic_kirovski_2002dcc_ppmexe_pdf.rar
MS> 153 kb
Èäåÿ ðåàññåìáëèðîâàíèÿ äàâíî áðîäèëà â óìàõ. Õîòÿ àâòîðû
ñòàòüè ðàñïîðÿäèëèñü åþ íå ñàìûì ëó÷øèì îáðàçîì, ìíîãèì
áóäåò èíòåðåñíî ïî÷èòàòü.
Âñåãî äîáðîãî. Vadim Yoockin
... A Smith and Wesson beats four aces.
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From : Vadim Yoockin 2:5020/1042.50 09 Jun 02 16:38:42
To : Sergey Kovalev
Subj : Re: Êíèãà "Ìåòîäû ñæàòèÿ äàííûõ"
Ïpèâåòñòâóþ, Sergey!
07 Jun 02, Sergey Kovalev ïèñàë ê Vadim Yoockin:
>> Ïîýòîìó ýòà
>> êíèãà áóäåò ïîëåçíà êàê ñòóäåíòàì, òàê è ïðåïîäàâàòåëÿì âóçîâ.
SK> Hó ðàçâå òîëüêî òåì, êòî íèêîãäà ðàíüøå íå ñëûõàë î ñæàòèè äàííûõ,
SK> åñëè ñóäèòü ïî ÷àñòè "êíèãè", îïóáëèêîâàííîé íà ñàéòå.
SK> SK
Ïîëàãàþ, ñíîáèçì çäåñü íå î÷åíü óìåñòåí.  êíèãå îïóáëèêîâàíî
áîëüøîå êîëè÷åñòâî ìàòåðèàëîâ, êîòîðûå íèêîãäà íå ïóáëèêîâàëèñü
íè ó íàñ, íè çà ðóáåæîì. Îïèñàíû íåêîòîðûå âåùè, êîòîðûå
èñïîëüçóþòñÿ â state_of_art-àðõèâàòîðàõ è èçâåñòíû äîâîëüíî
óçêîìó êðóãó ëþäåé. Ïî êðàéíåé ìåðå, ýòî îòíîñèòñÿ ê ãëàâå,
ïîñâÿùåííîé óíèâåðñàëüíûì ìåòîäàì.
Âñåãî äîáðîãî. Vadim Yoockin
... A Smith and Wesson beats four aces.
--- Ñòàpûé Äåä ñòîèìîñòüþ 3.00.Alpha4 äîïëàòà â ÑÊÂ UNREG
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From : Vadim Yoockin 2:5020/1042.50 09 Jun 02 16:51:24
To : Sergey Kovalev
Subj : Re: Êíèãà "Ìåòîäû ñæàòèÿ äàííûõ"
Ïpèâåòñòâóþ, Sergey!
08 Jun 02, Sergey Kovalev ïèñàë ê Maxim Smirnov:
SK> Òåì áîëåå, ÷òî íàø íåîáúÿòíûé ðûíîê ñêóøàåò âñå â ëþáîì âèäå,
SK> ëèøü áû ýòî áûëî õîòü ÷åì-òî ñâÿçàíî ñ ïåðåäîâûìè òåõíîëîãèÿìè
SK> îáðàáîòêè èíôîðìàöèè. Õîòÿ áû íàçâàíèåì. ;)
SK> Ïî äàííûì ñòàòèñòèêè èçäàòåëüñêîå äåëî îòíîñèòñÿ ê íàèáîëåå
"Åñòü ïðîñòîé îáìàí, à åñòü ñòàòèñòèêà".
SK> áëàãîïðèÿòíûì
SK> ñôåðàì áèçíåñà. Êàæåòñÿ, íà ÷åòâåðòîì èëè ïÿòîì ìåñòå ïîñëå òîðãîâëè
SK> íåôòüþ, íàðêîòèêàìè, ðûíêîì èíòèìíûõ óñëóã è åùå ÷åì-òî. Òàê ÷òî
SK> "ïðàâèëüíîé äîðîãîé èäåòå, òîâàðèùè!"
Áîþñü, òû íå â êóðñå î ðàçìåðå ãîíîðàðà, ïîëó÷åííîãî â ðåçóëüòàòå
õîäüáû ïî ïðàâèëüíîé äîðîãå. Óâåðÿþ, êíèãà ïèñàëàñü íå èç-çà ñìåøíûõ
äåíåã.
Âñåãî äîáðîãî. Vadim Yoockin
... A Smith and Wesson beats four aces.
--- Ñòàpûé Äåä ñòîèìîñòüþ 3.00.Alpha4 äîïëàòà â ÑÊÂ UNREG
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From : Vadim Yoockin 2:5020/1042.50 09 Jun 02 17:09:33
To : Dmitry Shkarin
Subj : Re: exe compression
Ïpèâåòñòâóþ, Dmitry!
08 Jun 02, Dmitry Shkarin ïèñàë ê Maxim Smirnov:
DS> 2) Èíòåëîâñêèé êîìïàéëåð ñòàðàëñÿ, èíñòðóêöèè ïåðåóïîðÿäî÷èâàë, ÷òîáû
DS> îíè äåêîäèðîâàëèñü áûñòðåå. Ïðèøëè ãîðÿ÷èå MS-ïàðíè è âñþ ìàëèíó
DS> ïîïîðòèëè.
Ìíå òàêæå èíòåðåñíî, àâòîðû ñòàòüè íå çàáûâàþò ëè ïðî òîò ôàêò,
÷òî íà ïåðåóïîðÿäî÷èâàåìûå êîìàíäû ìîãóò áûòü ññûëêè? :-)
Âñåãî äîáðîãî. Vadim Yoockin
... A Smith and Wesson beats four aces.
--- Ñòàpûé Äåä ñòîèìîñòüþ 3.00.Alpha4 äîïëàòà â ÑÊÂ UNREG
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From : Dmitry Belash 2:5030/479.28 09 Jun 02 23:15:09
To : All
Subj : ðàçìåð ñëîâàðÿ
Hi All!
NS> à êàêîé îïòèìàëüíûé ñàáæ ó winrar'a ?
Èíòåðåñíåå ïðî ïîðÿäîê åãîéíîãî ïïì íà ðàçíûõ äàííûõ.
Dmitry.
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From : Sergey Kovalev 2:5020/400 10 Jun 02 01:02:56
To : Vadim Yoockin
Subj : Re: Êíèãà "Ìåòîäû ñæàòèÿ äàííûõ"
From: "Sergey Kovalev" <s-kovalev@nwgsm.ru>
"Vadim Yoockin" <Vadim.Yoockin@p50.f1042.n5020.z2.fidonet.org> wrote in
message news:1023642499@p50.f1042.n5020.z2.fidonet.ftn...
> Ïîëàãàþ, ñíîáèçì çäåñü íå î÷åíü óìåñòåí.  êíèãå îïóáëèêîâàíî
> áîëüøîå êîëè÷åñòâî ìàòåðèàëîâ, êîòîðûå íèêîãäà íå ïóáëèêîâàëèñü
> íè ó íàñ, íè çà ðóáåæîì. Îïèñàíû íåêîòîðûå âåùè, êîòîðûå
> èñïîëüçóþòñÿ â state_of_art-àðõèâàòîðàõ è èçâåñòíû äîâîëüíî
> óçêîìó êðóãó ëþäåé. Ïî êðàéíåé ìåðå, ýòî îòíîñèòñÿ ê ãëàâå,
> ïîñâÿùåííîé óíèâåðñàëüíûì ìåòîäàì.
Î÷åíü âåðþ.
Åùå ðàç íàïîìèíàþ, ÷òî ìîÿ îöåíêà ýòîé ðàáîòû êàñàëàñü òîëüêî
îïóáëèêîâàííîé íà ñàéòå ÷àñòè êíèæêè. Ê îñòàëüíûì ðàçäåëàì ýòî
íå îòíîñèòñÿ ïðîñòî ïîòîìó, ÷òî ÿ èõ íå âèäåë, äà è íå äëÿ âñåõ ðàçäåëîâ
ÿ ñ÷èòàþ ñåáÿ äîñòàòî÷íî êîìïåòåíòíûì äëÿ âûíåñåíèÿ îöåíîê.
ß óâåðåí, ÷òî òàì åñòü äåéñòâèòåëüíî èíòåðåñíûå
è õîðîøî íàïèñàííûå ìåñòà.
Îäíàêî ÷àñòü, îòíîñÿùàÿñÿ ê ñæàòèþ èçîáðàæåíèé íàïèñàíà
èç ðóê âîí ïëîõî. Êàê ïî ñòèëþ òàê è ïî ñîäåðæàíèþ.
ß íå çíàþ - âîçìîæíî ó âàñ òàì óêàçàíî âî ââåäåíèè, êòî ÷òî ïèñàë,
íî â ëþáîì ñëó÷àå ýòî ñîâìåñòíûé òðóä, è îòêðîâåííàÿ õàëòóðà â îäíîé
ãëàâå áðîñàåò òåíü íà âñþ êíèæêó è íà âåñü êîëëåêòèâ àâòîðîâ.
×åñòíî ãîâîðÿ, ó ìåíÿ ñíà÷àëà äàæå âîçíèêëî ïîäîçðåíèå,
÷òî ýòî âîîáùå êàêîé-òî ðîçûãðûø, è òåêñò íàïèñàí
êàêèì-òî ñòóäåíòîì. Hî ïîòîì ÿ ñòàë ñêëîíÿòüñÿ ê ìûñëè,
÷òî ýòî ïðîñòî êîíñïåêò íåêîåãî (âîçìîæíî íåïëîõîãî) êóðñà
ëåêöèé, íàïèñàííîãî âåñüìà ñëàáûì
ñòóäåíòîì, à ïîòîì îïóáëèêîâàííîãî ïðåïîäàâàòåëåì.
Ýòî â îáùåì íîðìàëüíî, íî òàêîé òåêñò òðåáóåò î÷åíü
ñåðüåçíîé ïðàâêè, ïîòîìó ÷òî ñòóäåíò (îñîáåííî ñëàáûé) ÷òî-òî
íåäîïîíèìàåò, ÷òî-òî ïðîïóñêàåò â èçëîæåíèè, ÷òî-òî ïðîñòî ïåðåâèðàåò,
íå ãîâîðÿ óæ î êîðÿâîì ñòèëå. Òàê âîò, ÿ ñîâåðøåííî óâåðåí,
÷òî ýòîò òåêñò ïîñëå ñòóäåíòà íèêòî íå ïðàâèë! È ïóñòü ìåíÿ åùå ðàç
îáâèíÿò â ñíîáèçìå, íî ïî ìîåìó ìíåíèþ - òàê áåëûå ëþäè íå äåëàþò! ;)
Äà âû ñàìè-òî ÷èòàëè ýòîò òåêñò ?! Åñëè äà, òî êàê äàâíî ?
Âïðî÷åì, îòâåò íà ýòîò âîïðîñ ÿ íàøåë â ñàìîì òåêñòå.
Öèòàòà: "Òàê, íàïðèìåð, åùå òðè ãîäà íàçàä, â 1994, èíòåðåñ ê.. "
Òàêèì îáðàçîì, ýòîò òåêñò ÷èòàëè ïîñëåäíèé ðàç ëåò ïÿòü òîìó íàçàä.
È "ñâåæåñòü" ïðèâåäåííûõ òàì äàííûõ ïðèìåðíî òàêàÿ æå. Âîò åùå
öèòàòà íà ýòó æå òåìó :"Êàê óæå ãîâîðèëîñü, ñòàíäàðòèçîâàí JPEG
îòíîñèòåëüíî íåäàâíî - â 1991 ãîäó.." Hó, åñëè ýòî íåäàâíî...
Ïî÷åìó-òî ñðàçó âñïîìèíàþòñÿ ÷åòâåðî ñåäîáîðîäûõ àêñàêàëîâ,
ñèäÿùèõ íà ÿùèêå ñ äèíàìèòîì èç íàøåãî çíàìåíèòîãî
êèíî. "Äàâíî-î-î òóò ñèäèì..." ;))
Hàâåðíîå èìåííî èç-çà ýòîé âðåìåííÎé çàäåðæêè â îçíàêîìëåíèè
àâòîðîâ ñ ïîñëåäíèìè äîñòèæåíèÿìè â îáëàñòè ñæàòèÿ èçîáðàæåíèé
â ðàçäåë î lossless ñæàòèè íå âîøëè àëãîðèòìû JPEG-LS è CÀLIC,
êîòîðûå óæå î÷åíü äàâíî ñòàëè êëàññèêîé â ýòîé îáëàñòè.
Êñòàòè, òàê ýòî âñå æå êíèãà, èëè êîíñïåêò ëåêöèé ?
È íà ýòîò âîïðîñ ïûòëèâûé ÷èòàòåëü íàéäåò îòâåò
â ñàìîì òåêñòå :"Ýòî ïîçâîëèò èçáåæàòü ëèøíèõ äåòàëåé ïðè êðàòêîì
èçëîæåíèè äàííîãî êóðñà. " Àãà - òàê çíà÷èò ýòî , ñêàæåì, ìåòîäè÷êà,
èëè êàê ÿ è ïðåäïîëàãàë êîíñïåêò ëåêöèé.
Hî âòîðîå ìîå ïðåäïîëîæåíèå î ñòóäåí÷åñêîì àâòîðñòâå âñå æå
íå ïîäòâåðäèëîñü. Ïîòîìó ÷òî â òåêñòå íåîäíîêðàòíî âñòðåòèëèñü
âûðàæåíèÿ òèïà ".. ÷òî, óâû, ÿ ïîñòîÿííî íàáëþäàþ"
èëè ".. ÿ ïîëó÷èë ôàéëû ðàçìåðîì îò 4 äî 68 Êá ".
Ýòî çíà÷èò, ÷òî ïèñàë âñå òàêè íå ñòóäåíò, à ïðîñòî îäèí àâòîð,
êîòîðûé íà ìèíóòî÷êó çàáûë, ÷òî àâòîðîâ ÷åòâåðî ;)))
Ïóñòü ìåíÿ îïÿòü îáâèíÿò â ñíîáèçìå, íî êîëëåêòèâíûé òðóä
íå ïèøåòñÿ îò ïåðâîãî ëèöà, õîòÿ áû èç óâàæåíèÿ ê ñîàâòîðàì ;))
Ýòî âñå, ðàçóìååòñÿ, ìåëî÷åâêà. Îñíîâíûå ïåðëû êàñàþòñÿ
ñìûñëîâîé ÷àñòè "ìåòîäè÷êè". Âîò òóò äåéñòâèòåëüíî åñòü çà
÷òî âûïîðîòü. È êàñàåòñÿ ýòî êàíöåïòóàëüíûõ,
îñíîâîïîëàãàþùèõ âåùåé, êîòîðûå èçëîæåíû
íå ïðîñòî êîðÿâî, à â ïðèíöèïå íåâåðíî.
ß ìîã áû íàïèñàòü áîëåå ïðåäìåòíî, íî, ÷åñòíî ãîâîðÿ,
ìíå íå õîòåëîñü áû äåëàòü çà âàñ âàøó ðàáîòó.
Ïðèìèòå äðóæåñêèé ñîâåò- ðàçáåðèòåñü òàì ñ ýòîé ãëàâîé
ñàìè ìåæäó ñîáîé è íàìíèòå áîêà îòêðîâåííîìó õàëòóðùèêó.
Ñ èñêðåííèì óâàæåíèåì êî
âñåì, êðîìå àâòîðà îáñóæäàåìîé ÷àñòè,
SK
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From : Bulat Ziganshin 2:5093/4.126 10 Jun 02 10:16:41
To : Vadim Yoockin
Subj : Êíèãà "Ìåòîäû ñæàòèÿ äàííûõ"
* Originally in RU.COMPRESS
Ïðèÿòíîãî òåáå äíÿ è íåçàáûâàåìîé íî÷è, Vadim!
Sunday June 09 2002, Vadim Yoockin writes to Sergey Kovalev:
VY> íè ó íàñ, íè çà ðóáåæîì. Îïèñàíû íåêîòîðûå âåùè, êîòîðûå
VY> èñïîëüçóþòñÿ â state_of_art-àðõèâàòîðàõ è èçâåñòíû äîâîëüíî
ìîè èäåè - èíòåëëåêòóàëüíàÿ ñîðòèðîâêà ôàéëîâ, hypermedia compression è ãëàâíîå
, ãëàâíîå - âûâîä ïðîöåíòîâ â çàãîëîâêå îêîøêà - îïèñàíû? áåç ýòîãî äàæå ÷èòàòü
å¸ íå áóäó :)))
Bulat, mailto:bulatz-AT-fort.tatarstan.ru, ICQ: work 15872722, home 11849833
... Èíîãäà äëÿ òîãî, ÷òîáû èçìåíèòü ñâîå âîñïðèÿòèå ìèðà,
... ëþäè ïûòàþòñÿ èçìåíèòü ñàì ìèð
--- GoldED+/W32 1.1.2
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— RU.COMPRESS
From : Bulat Ziganshin 2:5093/4.126 10 Jun 02 10:18:11
To : Vadim Yoockin
Subj : exe compression
* Originally in RU.COMPRESS
Ïðèÿòíîãî òåáå äíÿ è íåçàáûâàåìîé íî÷è, Vadim!
Sunday June 09 2002, Vadim Yoockin writes to Dmitry Shkarin:
DS>> 2) Èíòåëîâñêèé êîìïàéëåð ñòàðàëñÿ, èíñòðóêöèè
DS>> ïåðåóïîðÿäî÷èâàë, ÷òîáû îíè äåêîäèðîâàëèñü áûñòðåå. Ïðèøëè
DS>> ãîðÿ÷èå MS-ïàðíè è âñþ ìàëèíó ïîïîðòèëè.
VY> Ìíå òàêæå èíòåðåñíî, àâòîðû ñòàòüè íå çàáûâàþò ëè ïðî òîò ôàêò,
VY> ÷òî íà ïåðåóïîðÿäî÷èâàåìûå êîìàíäû ìîãóò áûòü ññûëêè? :-)
ññûëêè íàéòè íåòðóäíî. à âîò òî, î ÷¸ì ïèñàë Äèìà, õîðîøî çàìåòíî â èìè æå ïðèâ
åä¸ííîì ïðèìåðå :)
Bulat, mailto:bulatz-AT-fort.tatarstan.ru, ICQ: work 15872722, home 11849833
... Èíîãäà äëÿ òîãî, ÷òîáû èçìåíèòü ñâîå âîñïðèÿòèå ìèðà,
... ëþäè ïûòàþòñÿ èçìåíèòü ñàì ìèð
--- GoldED+/W32 1.1.2
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From : Sergey Kovalev 2:5020/400 10 Jun 02 10:46:25
To : Maxim Smirnov
Subj : Re: Êíèãà "Ìåòîäû ñæàòèÿ äàííûõ"
From: "Sergey Kovalev" <s-kovalev@nwgsm.ru>
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> Ïîõîæå, Ñåðãåé, ëè÷íî ìíå ñ òîáîé îáñóæäàòü íå÷åãî.
ß íèêîãî íå õîòåë îáèäåòü.
Èçâèíÿþñü, åñëè òàê ïîëó÷èëîñü.
SK
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From : Alexander Bragin 2:5005/58.17 10 Jun 02 12:08:13
To : All
Subj : Re Êíèãà "Ìåòîäû ñæàòèÿ äàííûõ"
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L-- Hello, *All* !
Ñèæó, ñïîêîéíî ýõó ÷èòàþ, è âäpóã - íå óäåpæàëñÿ,
óâèäàâ òàêîå:
SK> Öèòàòà: "Òàê, íàïpèìåp, åùå òpè ãîäà íàçàä, â 1994, èíòåpåñ ê.. "
SK> Òàêèì îápàçîì, ýòîò òåêñò ÷èòàëè ïîñëåäíèé pàç ëåò ïÿòü òîìó íàçàä.
SK> È "ñâåæåñòü" ïpèâåäåííûõ òàì äàííûõ ïpèìåpíî òàêàÿ æå. Âîò åùå
SK> öèòàòà íà ýòó æå òåìó :"Êàê óæå ãîâîpèëîñü, ñòàíäàpòèçîâàí JPEG
SK> îòíîñèòåëüíî íåäàâíî - â 1991 ãîäó.." Hó, åñëè ýòî íåäàâíî...
SK> Ïî÷åìó-òî ñpàçó âñïîìèíàþòñÿ ÷åòâåpî ñåäîáîpîäûõ àêñàêàëîâ,
SK> ñèäÿùèõ íà ÿùèêå ñ äèíàìèòîì èç íàøåãî çíàìåíèòîãî
SK> êèíî. "Äàâíî-î-î òóò ñèäèì..." ;))
Óâàæàÿ òpóäû àêñàêàëîâ êîìïpåññèè äàííûõ, ÿ ñíîâà õîòåë áû
îápàòèòü âíèìàíèå ìîëîäûõ è ïåpñïåêòèâíûõ ëþäåé íà
ÐÅÊÓÐÑÈÂHÛÅ ìåòîäû óïàêîâêè äííûõ.
Ðåêópñèâíûå îíè ïîòîìó, ÷òî äàííûå, ïîëó÷åííûå îò ñæàòèÿ
ýòèìè ìåòîäàìè ìîãóò áûòü â ñâîþ î÷åpåäü HÅÎÄHÎÊÐÀÒHÎ
ñæèìàòüñÿ ýòèìè æå èëè ïîäîáíûìè ìåòîäàìè.
Òàêèå ìåòîäû åñòü, è íà äâîpå 21 âåê, è ñòîèò
õîòÿ áû íà÷àòü îáñóæäàòü èõ, íå ãîâîpÿ óæå î ïpèìåíåíèè.
Òàì òîæå áîëüøóþ pîëü èípàåò ïpåïpîöåññèíã - ïîäãîòîâêà
äàííûõ ê ñæàòèþ. (÷òîáû ïëîòíåå ñæàòü, íàäî ñïåpâà
pàçäâèíóòü;)
Ðàñïîçíàâàíèå îápàçîâ åñòü ñâåpõóïàêîâêà äàííûõ (c) abra
abra = /Alexander Bragin/
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From : Bulat Ziganshin 2:5093/4.126 10 Jun 02 13:43:02
To : Alexander Bragin
Subj : Re Êíèãà "Ìåòîäû ñæàòèÿ äàííûõ"
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Ïðèÿòíîãî òåáå äíÿ è íåçàáûâàåìîé íî÷è, Alexander!
Monday June 10 2002, Alexander Bragin writes to All:
AB> Óâàæàÿ òpóäû àêñàêàëîâ êîìïpåññèè äàííûõ, ÿ ñíîâà õîòåë áû
AB> îápàòèòü âíèìàíèå ìîëîäûõ è ïåpñïåêòèâíûõ ëþäåé íà
AB> ÐÅÊÓÐÑÈÂHÛÅ ìåòîäû óïàêîâêè äííûõ.
AB> Ðåêópñèâíûå îíè ïîòîìó, ÷òî äàííûå, ïîëó÷åííûå îò ñæàòèÿ
AB> ýòèìè ìåòîäàìè ìîãóò áûòü â ñâîþ î÷åpåäü HÅÎÄHÎÊÐÀÒHÎ
AB> ñæèìàòüñÿ ýòèìè æå èëè ïîäîáíûìè ìåòîäàìè.
AB> Òàêèå ìåòîäû åñòü, è íà äâîpå 21 âåê, è ñòîèò
è êîñìè÷åñêèå êîðàáëè áîðîçäÿò ïðîñòîðû Áîëüøîãî Òåàòðà, ãäå ñåãîäíÿ âûñòóïàåò
Ñïàðòàê
AB> õîòÿ áû íà÷àòü îáñóæäàòü èõ, íå ãîâîpÿ óæå î ïpèìåíåíèè.
íó ïðèìåíÿéòå, êòî æ âàì ìåøàåò-òî ;)
Bulat, mailto:bulatz-AT-fort.tatarstan.ru, ICQ: work 15872722, home 11849833
... Èíîãäà äëÿ òîãî, ÷òîáû èçìåíèòü ñâîå âîñïðèÿòèå ìèðà,
... ëþäè ïûòàþòñÿ èçìåíèòü ñàì ìèð
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From : Maxim Smirnov 2:5020/175.2 10 Jun 02 15:43:26
To : Alexander Bragin
Subj : Re Êíèãà "Ìåòîäû ñæàòèÿ äàííûõ"
From: "Maxim Smirnov" <model@iac.spb.ru>
Mon Jun 10 2002 12:08, Alexander Bragin wrote to All:
SK>> Ïî÷åìó-òî ñpàçó âñïîìèíàþòñÿ ÷åòâåpî ñåäîáîpîäûõ àêñàêàëîâ,
SK>> ñèäÿùèõ íà ÿùèêå ñ äèíàìèòîì èç íàøåãî çíàìåíèòîãî
SK>> êèíî. "Äàâíî-î-î òóò ñèäèì..." ;))
AB> Óâàæàÿ òpóäû àêñàêàëîâ êîìïpåññèè äàííûõ, ÿ ñíîâà õîòåë áû
AB> îápàòèòü âíèìàíèå ìîëîäûõ è ïåpñïåêòèâíûõ ëþäåé íà
AB> ÐÅÊÓÐÑÈÂHÛÅ ìåòîäû óïàêîâêè äííûõ.
AB> Ðåêópñèâíûå îíè ïîòîìó, ÷òî äàííûå, ïîëó÷åííûå îò ñæàòèÿ
AB> ýòèìè ìåòîäàìè ìîãóò áûòü â ñâîþ î÷åpåäü HÅÎÄHÎÊÐÀÒHÎ
AB> ñæèìàòüñÿ ýòèìè æå èëè ïîäîáíûìè ìåòîäàìè.
AB> Òàêèå ìåòîäû åñòü, è íà äâîpå 21 âåê, è ñòîèò
AB> õîòÿ áû íà÷àòü îáñóæäàòü èõ, íå ãîâîpÿ óæå î ïpèìåíåíèè.
(âûáèâàÿ ïåñîê èç óøåé è ñìàõèâàÿ ïîãàíêè)
âîò îáðàç÷èê òâîð÷åñòâà:
The Effects of Cascading Popular
Text Compression Techniques
Alan L. Semon
http://citeseer.nj.nec.com/cache/papers/cs/3925/
http:zSzzSzwww.esu.eduzSzcpsczSzmasterszSz1993-01.ps.gz/
semon93effect.ps.gz
Ìíîãî è äîëãî ñìåÿëñÿ.
Maxim
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From : Maxim Smirnov 2:5020/175.2 10 Jun 02 15:53:53
To : Dmitry Shkarin
Subj : Re: exe compression
From: "Maxim Smirnov" <model@iac.spb.ru>
Sat Jun 08 2002 01:03, Dmitry Shkarin wrote to Maxim Smirnov:
DS> À ôèãíÿ, ÈÌÕÎ.
À âîò è íå ñîâñåì :-)
DS> 1) Hà 3/4 âûèãðûø èäåò çà ñ÷åò áàíàëüíîãî E8.
Äóìàþ, âñå-òàêè 2/4 :-)
Ìîæåò, ÿ íåáðåæíî ïðîëèñòàë: ãäå òû âûñìîòðåë, ÷òî
èìåííî 3/4 ?
DS> 2) Èíòåëîâñêèé êîìïàéëåð ñòàðàëñÿ, èíñòðóêöèè ïåðåóïîðÿäî÷èâàë, ÷òîáû
DS> îíè äåêîäèðîâàëèñü áûñòðåå. Ïðèøëè ãîðÿ÷èå MS-ïàðíè è âñþ ìàëèíó
DS> ïîïîðòèëè.
Hó, îíè ïðîñòî äðóãèå öåëè ïðåñëåäîâàëè. Õîòÿ òî, ÷òî íèãäå ÿâíî
íå îáãîâîðèëè (?), íå åñòü õîðîøî.
Ìåíÿ ýòà ñòàòüÿ ïîðàäîâàëà ñëåäóþùèì:
1) ÷òî-òî âñå-òàêè äåëàåòñÿ;
2) çàíèìàåòñÿ ýòèì ìàéêðîñîôò;
3) ðàçáîð ïûòàþòñÿ èñïîëüçîâàòü.
Âîçìîæíî, öåëåñîîáðàçíî áûëî áû íà÷èíàòü èññëåäîâàíèÿ
ñ ÷èñòîãî CISC.
Maxim
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From : Serge Voskoboynikov 2:4616/3.41 10 Jun 02 16:50:13
To : Bulat Ziganshin
Subj : Êíèãà "Ìåòîäû ñæàòèÿ äàííûõ"
Çäpàâñòâyéòå ìíîãîyâàæàåìûé Bulat!
10 èþíÿ 2002 09:16, Bulat Ziganshin ïèñàë Vadim Yoockin:
BZ> ìîè èäåè - èíòåëëåêòyàëüíàÿ ñîpòèpîâêà ôàéëîâ, hypermedia compression
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
À ýòî ÷òî çà çâåpü, åñëè íå ñåêpåò?
Äî íîâûõ âñòpå÷ Bulat!
... Ëàìåpû â áîþ æèâyò íåäîëãî... Çàòî ÷àñòî =) (c) InfiDel
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From : Vadim Yoockin 2:5020/1042.50 10 Jun 02 16:57:19
To : Sergey Kovalev
Subj : Re: Êíèãà "Ìåòîäû ñæàòèÿ äàííûõ"
From: "Vadim Yoockin" <vy@thermosyn.com>
Hello, Sergey!
You wrote to Vadim Yoockin on Sun, 9 Jun 2002 21:02:56 +0000 (UTC):
SK> ×åñòíî ãîâîðÿ, ó ìåíÿ ñíà÷àëà äàæå âîçíèêëî ïîäîçðåíèå,
SK> ÷òî ýòî âîîáùå êàêîé-òî ðîçûãðûø, è òåêñò íàïèñàí
SK> êàêèì-òî ñòóäåíòîì. Hî ïîòîì ÿ ñòàë ñêëîíÿòüñÿ ê ìûñëè,
SK> ÷òî ýòî ïðîñòî êîíñïåêò íåêîåãî (âîçìîæíî íåïëîõîãî) êóðñà
SK> ëåêöèé, íàïèñàííîãî âåñüìà ñëàáûì
SK> ñòóäåíòîì, à ïîòîì îïóáëèêîâàííîãî ïðåïîäàâàòåëåì.
Äîëæåí ñêàçàòü, âûñêàçûâàíèÿ â òàêîì ñòèëå íèêàê íåëüçÿ
íàçâàòü êîíñòðóêòèâíîé êðèòèêîé.
SK> Äà âû ñàìè-òî ÷èòàëè ýòîò òåêñò ?! Åñëè äà, òî êàê äàâíî ?
SK> Âïðî÷åì, îòâåò íà ýòîò âîïðîñ ÿ íàøåë â ñàìîì òåêñòå.
SK> Öèòàòà: "Òàê, íàïðèìåð, åùå òðè ãîäà íàçàä, â 1994, èíòåðåñ ê.. "
...
SK> È íà ýòîò âîïðîñ ïûòëèâûé ÷èòàòåëü íàéäåò îòâåò
SK> â ñàìîì òåêñòå :"Ýòî ïîçâîëèò èçáåæàòü ëèøíèõ äåòàëåé ïðè êðàòêîì
SK> èçëîæåíèè äàííîãî êóðñà. " Àãà - òàê çíà÷èò ýòî , ñêàæåì, ìåòîäè÷êà,
SK> èëè êàê ÿ è ïðåäïîëàãàë êîíñïåêò ëåêöèé.
 êíèãå, êîíå÷íî, òàêèõ ëÿïîâ íåòó. Êîíå÷íî, íàì ñëåäîâàëî áû
íàïèñàòü, ÷òî íà ñàéòå âûëîæåí íå ñàìûé ïîñëåäíèé âàðèàíò
ðóêîïèñè.
SK> Ýòî âñå, ðàçóìååòñÿ, ìåëî÷åâêà. Îñíîâíûå ïåðëû êàñàþòñÿ
SK> ñìûñëîâîé ÷àñòè "ìåòîäè÷êè". Âîò òóò äåéñòâèòåëüíî åñòü çà
SK> ÷òî âûïîðîòü. È êàñàåòñÿ ýòî êàíöåïòóàëüíûõ,
SK> îñíîâîïîëàãàþùèõ âåùåé, êîòîðûå èçëîæåíû
SK> íå ïðîñòî êîðÿâî, à â ïðèíöèïå íåâåðíî.
SK> ß ìîã áû íàïèñàòü áîëåå ïðåäìåòíî, íî, ÷åñòíî ãîâîðÿ,
SK> ìíå íå õîòåëîñü áû äåëàòü çà âàñ âàøó ðàáîòó.
À ìåæäó òåì, èìåííî ýòî áûëî áû èíòåðåñíûì.
Òåì áîëåå, ÷òî ýòà "íàøà ðàáîòà" âûïîëíÿëàñü, ìîæíî ñêàçàòü,
ïðàêòè÷åñêè íà îáùåñòâåííûõ íà÷àëàõ.
Âñåãî äîáðîãî,
Âàäèì.
... fido7 - ýòî ãåéò ïëþñ ôèäîëóêèçàöèÿ âñåé ñòðàíû. (KSV)
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From : Vadim Yoockin 2:5020/1042.50 10 Jun 02 16:57:20
To : Bulat Ziganshin
Subj : Re: Êíèãà "Ìåòîäû ñæàòèÿ äàííûõ"
From: "Vadim Yoockin" <vy@thermosyn.com>
Hello, Bulat!
You wrote to Vadim Yoockin on Mon, 10 Jun 2002 09:16:41 +0400:
BZ> ìîè èäåè - èíòåëëåêòóàëüíàÿ ñîðòèðîâêà ôàéëîâ, hypermedia compression è
BZ> ãëàâíîå, ãëàâíîå - âûâîä ïðîöåíòîâ â çàãîëîâêå îêîøêà - îïèñàíû? áåç
BZ> ýòîãî äàæå ÷èòàòü å¸ íå áóäó :)))
Håëüçÿ îáúÿòü íåîáúÿòíîå. Hî çàòî áîëüøîå âíèìàíèå óäåëåíî CM :)
×èòàòü - ìîæåøü íå ÷èòàòü, íî íà ïîëêå-òî õîòÿ áû ìåñòå÷êî íàéäåòñÿ? ;-)
Êñòàòè, òû çàåõàòü â íàøè êðàÿ íå ïëàíèðóåøü â áëèæàéøåå âðåìÿ?
Âñåãî äîáðîãî,
Âàäèì.
... fido7 - ýòî ãåéò ïëþñ ôèäîëóêèçàöèÿ âñåé ñòðàíû. (KSV)
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From : Bulat Ziganshin 2:5093/4.126 10 Jun 02 17:29:14
To : Maxim Smirnov
Subj : exe compression
* Originally in RU.COMPRESS
Ïðèÿòíîãî òåáå äíÿ è íåçàáûâàåìîé íî÷è, Maxim!
Monday June 10 2002, Maxim Smirnov writes to Dmitry Shkarin:
DS>> 1) Hà 3/4 âûèãðûø èäåò çà ñ÷åò áàíàëüíîãî E8.
MS> Äóìàþ, âñå-òàêè 2/4 :-)
MS> Ìîæåò, ÿ íåáðåæíî ïðîëèñòàë: ãäå òû âûñìîòðåë, ÷òî
MS> èìåííî 3/4 ?
ãäå òàì E8??? åñòü, êñòàòè, îòäåëüíûå êîíâåðòåðû? äëÿ ýêñïåðèìåíòîâ ñ òåì æå pp
md
Bulat, mailto:bulatz-AT-fort.tatarstan.ru, ICQ: work 15872722, home 11849833
... Èíîãäà äëÿ òîãî, ÷òîáû èçìåíèòü ñâîå âîñïðèÿòèå ìèðà,
... ëþäè ïûòàþòñÿ èçìåíèòü ñàì ìèð
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From : Leonid Broukhis 2:5020/400 10 Jun 02 21:24:07
To : Maxim Smirnov
Subj : Re: Re Êíèãà "Ìåòîäû ñæàòèÿ äàííûõ"
From: leob@mailcom.com (Leonid Broukhis)
Maxim Smirnov wrote:
>(âûáèâàÿ ïåñîê èç óøåé è ñìàõèâàÿ ïîãàíêè)
>âîò îáðàç÷èê òâîð÷åñòâà:
>
>The Effects of Cascading Popular
>Text Compression Techniques
>Alan L. Semon
>http://citeseer.nj.nec.com/cache/papers/cs/3925/
>http:zSzzSzwww.esu.eduzSzcpsczSzmasterszSz1993-01.ps.gz/
>semon93effect.ps.gz
Êòî ýòî òåáå ñëåøè âî âòîðîé ññûëêå òàê ïåðåêîðåæèë?
Leo
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From : Bulat Ziganshin 2:5093/4.126 10 Jun 02 21:38:57
To : Serge Voskoboynikov
Subj : Êíèãà "Ìåòîäû ñæàòèÿ äàííûõ"
* Originally in RU.COMPRESS
Ïðèÿòíîãî òåáå äíÿ è íåçàáûâàåìîé íî÷è, Serge!
Monday June 10 2002, Serge Voskoboynikov writes to Bulat Ziganshin:
BZ>> ìîè èäåè - èíòåëëåêòyàëüíàÿ ñîpòèpîâêà ôàéëîâ, hypermedia
BZ>> compression
SV> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ À ýòî ÷òî çà çâåpü, åñëè íå ñåêpåò?
íå ñåêðåò, íî îáúÿñíÿòü äîëãî. íàõîäèò òàáëè÷êè, â ÷àñòíîñòè â ýêçåøíèêàõ, è "ä
èôôåðåíöèðóåò" èõ
Bulat, mailto:bulatz-AT-fort.tatarstan.ru, ICQ: work 15872722, home 11849833
... Èíîãäà äëÿ òîãî, ÷òîáû èçìåíèòü ñâîå âîñïðèÿòèå ìèðà,
... ëþäè ïûòàþòñÿ èçìåíèòü ñàì ìèð
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From : Bulat Ziganshin 2:5093/4.126 10 Jun 02 21:47:15
To : Vadim Yoockin
Subj : Êíèãà "Ìåòîäû ñæàòèÿ äàííûõ"
* Originally in RU.COMPRESS
Ïðèÿòíîãî òåáå äíÿ è íåçàáûâàåìîé íî÷è, Vadim!
Monday June 10 2002, Vadim Yoockin writes to Bulat Ziganshin:
VY> ×èòàòü - ìîæåøü íå ÷èòàòü, íî íà ïîëêå-òî õîòÿ áû ìåñòå÷êî íàéäåòñÿ?
à åù¸ ÿ çíàþ ïðèäóìàííûé Äèìîé Áîðòîê ñîâåðøåííî ôàíòàñòè÷åñêèé ñïîñîá ñæàòèÿ 3
2-áèòíûõ ðåëîêàöèé. îí â apack/upx èñïîëüçóåòñÿ
VY> ;-) Êñòàòè, òû çàåõàòü â íàøè êðàÿ íå ïëàíèðóåøü â áëèæàéøåå âðåìÿ?
ðàíî èëè ïîçäíî. âñå æ äîðîãè âåäóò â Ðèì :)
Bulat, mailto:bulatz-AT-fort.tatarstan.ru, ICQ: work 15872722, home 11849833
... Èíîãäà äëÿ òîãî, ÷òîáû èçìåíèòü ñâîå âîñïðèÿòèå ìèðà,
... ëþäè ïûòàþòñÿ èçìåíèòü ñàì ìèð
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From : Maxim Smirnov 2:5020/175.2 10 Jun 02 23:51:05
To : Leonid Broukhis
Subj : Re: Re Êíèãà "Ìåòîäû ñæàòèÿ äàííûõ"
From: "Maxim Smirnov" <model@iac.spb.ru>
Mon Jun 10 2002 21:24, Leonid Broukhis wrote to Maxim Smirnov:
>> The Effects of Cascading Popular
>> Text Compression Techniques
>> Alan L. Semon
>> http://citeseer.nj.nec.com/cache/papers/cs/3925/
>> http:zSzzSzwww.esu.eduzSzcpsczSzmasterszSz1993-01.ps.gz/
>> semon93effect.ps.gz
LB> Êòî ýòî òåáå ñëåøè âî âòîðîé ññûëêå òàê ïåðåêîðåæèë?
Hà ñàìîì äåëå, ýòî îäíà ññûëêà :-)
Òàê âûäàåò CiteSeer.
Maxim
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From : Alexey Monastyrenko 2:5020/400 10 Jun 02 23:51:47
To : Bulat Ziganshin
Subj : Re: exe compression
From: "Alexey Monastyrenko" <aamonster@mail.ru>
Bulat Ziganshin <Bulat.Ziganshin@p126.f4.n5093.z2.fidonet.org> wrote
> VY> Ìíå òàêæå èíòåðåñíî, àâòîðû ñòàòüè íå çàáûâàþò ëè ïðî òîò ôàêò,
> VY> ÷òî íà ïåðåóïîðÿäî÷èâàåìûå êîìàíäû ìîãóò áûòü ññûëêè? :-)
>
> ññûëêè íàéòè íåòðóäíî.
Âñå äàëåêî íå òàê çäÎðîâî. Ïîèñê ññûëîê íå äàåò 100% ãàðàíòèè - íå âñåãäà
î÷åâèäíî, ãäå êîä, ãäå äàííûå, à ãäå òàáëèöû ïåðåõîäîâ. Ãîðàçäî áîëåå
ïåðñïåêòèâíûì ïðåäñòàâëÿåòñÿ êîìïèëÿöèÿ â ïðîìåæóòî÷íûé, óäîáíûé äëÿ ñæàòèÿ
è äëÿ ïåðåâîäà â ìàøèííûå êîäû, ïñåâäîêîä (p-code èëè êàê åãî òàì), êîòîðûé
óæå ìîæíî ïîæàòü. Çàîäíî ïåðåíîñèìîñòü ðàñòåò.
Êñòàòè, åñëè íå îøèáàþñü, òàêîé ïîäõîä (íå óïàêîâêà, à èñïîëüçîâàíèå
ïñåâäîêîäà) ðåàëèçîâàí íà windows ce.net.
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From : Alexey Monastyrenko 2:5020/400 10 Jun 02 23:53:57
To : Vadim Yoockin
Subj : Re: Êíèãà "Ìåòîäû ñæàòèÿ äàííûõ"
From: "Alexey Monastyrenko" <aamonster@mail.ru>
Vadim Yoockin <vy@thermosyn.com> wrote in message
news:ae27kl$9r$2@gavrilo.mtu.ru...
> Håëüçÿ îáúÿòü íåîáúÿòíîå. Hî çàòî áîëüøîå âíèìàíèå óäåëåíî CM :)
Ýòî ïðàâèëüíî. Ñåìåéñòâî ñòàòè÷åñêèõ è ïîëóàäàïòèâíûõ ppm-àëãîðèòìîâ
ïðåäñòàâëÿåòñÿ äîâîëüíî ïåðñïåêòèâíûì äëÿ embedded ïðèëîæåíèé è òîìó
ïîäîáíîãî (ñóæó ïî ñâîåìó îïûòó íàïèñàíèÿ êîìïðåññîðà ïîä êàñüêó pv...
îñòàëîñü íàïèñàòü äåêîìïðåññîð :-)))).
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From : Maxim Smirnov 2:5020/175.2 10 Jun 02 23:54:10
To : Bulat Ziganshin
Subj : exe compression
From: "Maxim Smirnov" <model@iac.spb.ru>
Mon Jun 10 2002 17:29, Bulat Ziganshin wrote to Maxim Smirnov:
BZ> * Originally in RU.COMPRESS
BZ> Ïðèÿòíîãî òåáå äíÿ è íåçàáûâàåìîé íî÷è, Maxim!
BZ> Monday June 10 2002, Maxim Smirnov writes to Dmitry Shkarin:
DS>>> 1) Hà 3/4 âûèãðûø èäåò çà ñ÷åò áàíàëüíîãî E8.
MS>> Äóìàþ, âñå-òàêè 2/4 :-)
MS>> Ìîæåò, ÿ íåáðåæíî ïðîëèñòàë: ãäå òû âûñìîòðåë, ÷òî
MS>> èìåííî 3/4 ?
BZ> ãäå òàì E8??? åñòü, êñòàòè, îòäåëüíûå êîíâåðòåðû? äëÿ ýêñïåðèìåíòîâ ñ òåì
Horizontal and vertical correlation among instruction fields. Column 2
presents program
size after compression using PPMD and columns 3 and 4 show the relative change
in file size after
compressing separately (A.) the register and register addressing fields
and the program remainder and
(B.) the displacements of CALL instructions and the program remainder.
Ñìîòðè (B)
Âñå çàøèôðîâàíî :-)
BZ> æå ppmd
íå ñìîòðåë.
Äóìàþ, ìîæíî òðÿõíóòü àâòîðîâ.
Maxim
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To : All
Subj : News at ftp://ftp.elf.stuba.sk/pub/pc/pack/
ftp://ftp.elf.stuba.sk/pub/pc/pack/arj2_278.exe
ARJ for OS/2 v2.78 (258,942 bytes)
ftp://ftp.elf.stuba.sk/pub/pc/pack/arj2r278.exe
ARJ for OS/2 v2.78 (Russian Edition) (266,917 bytes)
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From : Bulat Ziganshin 2:5093/4.126 11 Jun 02 11:03:09
To : All
Subj : Re Êíèãà "Ìåòîäû ñæàòèÿ äàííûõ"
* Originally in RU.COMPRESS
Ïðèÿòíîãî òåáå äíÿ è íåçàáûâàåìîé íî÷è, All!
Tuesday June 11 2002, øåï writes to Alexander Bragin:
ø> ðàññêàæè õîòÿ áû ïðî îäèí ðåêðñèâíûé àëãîðèòì è ïðåïðîöåññîðèíã.
ø> à òî ÿ äàëüøå rle è õàôôìàíà íè÷åãî íå ïîíÿë òîëêîì.
yes! áóäåì îáñóæäàòü ðåêóðñèâíûé RLE
Bulat, mailto:bulatz-AT-fort.tatarstan.ru, ICQ: work 15872722, home 11849833
... Èíîãäà äëÿ òîãî, ÷òîáû èçìåíèòü ñâîå âîñïðèÿòèå ìèðà,
... ëþäè ïûòàþòñÿ èçìåíèòü ñàì ìèð
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From : Bulat Ziganshin 2:5093/4.126 11 Jun 02 11:03:50
To : Maxim Smirnov
Subj : exe compression
* Originally in RU.COMPRESS
Ïðèÿòíîãî òåáå äíÿ è íåçàáûâàåìîé íî÷è, Maxim!
Monday June 10 2002, Maxim Smirnov writes to Bulat Ziganshin:
BZ>> ãäå òàì E8??? åñòü, êñòàòè, îòäåëüíûå êîíâåðòåðû? äëÿ
BZ>> ýêñïåðèìåíòîâ ñ òåì
BZ>> æå ppmd
MS> íå ñìîòðåë.
MS> Äóìàþ, ìîæíî òðÿõíóòü àâòîðîâ.
äûê ÿ îäèí èç íèõ :) íî âäðóã åñòü ãîòîâîå
Bulat, mailto:bulatz-AT-fort.tatarstan.ru, ICQ: work 15872722, home 11849833
... Èíîãäà äëÿ òîãî, ÷òîáû èçìåíèòü ñâîå âîñïðèÿòèå ìèðà,
... ëþäè ïûòàþòñÿ èçìåíèòü ñàì ìèð
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From : Bulat Ziganshin 2:5093/4.126 11 Jun 02 11:12:25
To : Alexey Monastyrenko
Subj : exe compression
* Originally in RU.COMPRESS
Ïðèÿòíîãî òåáå äíÿ è íåçàáûâàåìîé íî÷è, Alexey!
Monday June 10 2002, Alexey Monastyrenko writes to Bulat Ziganshin:
>> VY> Ìíå òàêæå èíòåðåñíî, àâòîðû ñòàòüè íå çàáûâàþò ëè ïðî òîò ôàêò,
>> VY> ÷òî íà ïåðåóïîðÿäî÷èâàåìûå êîìàíäû ìîãóò áûòü ññûëêè? :-)
>>
>> ññûëêè íàéòè íåòðóäíî.
AM> Âñå äàëåêî íå òàê çäÎðîâî. Ïîèñê ññûëîê íå äàåò 100% ãàðàíòèè - íå
AM> âñåãäà î÷åâèäíî, ãäå êîä, ãäå äàííûå, à ãäå òàáëèöû ïåðåõîäîâ.
â ñîâðåìåííûõ-òî êîìïèëÿòîðàõ? ýòî æ íå ðó÷êàìè, êîãäà èçìåíÿþò èíñòðóêöèþ ïåðå
ä ñîáîé òîëüêî äëÿ òîãî, ÷òîá óçíàòü òèï ïðîöåññîðà :)
AM> Ãîðàçäî
AM> áîëåå ïåðñïåêòèâíûì ïðåäñòàâëÿåòñÿ êîìïèëÿöèÿ â ïðîìåæóòî÷íûé,
AM> óäîáíûé
AM> äëÿ ñæàòèÿ è äëÿ ïåðåâîäà â ìàøèííûå êîäû, ïñåâäîêîä (p-code èëè êàê
AM> åãî òàì), êîòîðûé óæå ìîæíî ïîæàòü. Çàîäíî ïåðåíîñèìîñòü
AM> ðàñòåò. Êñòàòè, åñëè íå îøèáàþñü, òàêîé ïîäõîä (íå óïàêîâêà, à
AM> èñïîëüçîâàíèå ïñåâäîêîäà) ðåàëèçîâàí íà windows ce.net.
è â windows.net òîæå. íî, âèäèìî, äëÿ c/c++/c# âñ¸ æå îñòàëèñü è íàòèâíûå êîìïè
ëÿòîðû
Bulat, mailto:bulatz-AT-fort.tatarstan.ru, ICQ: work 15872722, home 11849833
... Èíîãäà äëÿ òîãî, ÷òîáû èçìåíèòü ñâîå âîñïðèÿòèå ìèðà,
... ëþäè ïûòàþòñÿ èçìåíèòü ñàì ìèð
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From : Andrew Kadatch 2:5020/400 11 Jun 02 11:25:52
To : Bulat Ziganshin
Subj : Re: Êíèãà "Ìåòîäû ñæàòèÿ äàííûõ"
From: "Andrew Kadatch" <kadatch@email.msn.com>
> à åù¸ ÿ çíàþ ïðèäóìàííûé Äèìîé Áîðòîê ñîâåðøåííî ôàíòàñòè÷åñêèé ñïîñîá
ñæàòèÿ
> 32-áèòíûõ ðåëîêàöèé. îí â apack/upx èñïîëüçóåòñÿ
È êàêîé æå, åñëè íå ñåêðåò?
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From : Dmitry Shkarin 2:5020/400 11 Jun 02 11:44:28
To : Maxim Smirnov
Subj : Re: exe compression
From: "Dmitry Shkarin" <dmitry.shkarin@mtu-net.ru>
Hi, All!
MS> Äóìàþ, âñå-òàêè 2/4 :-)
MS> Ìîæåò, ÿ íåáðåæíî ïðîëèñòàë: ãäå òû âûñìîòðåë, ÷òî
MS> èìåííî 3/4 ?
ß ïðîñòî ñðàâíèë íà òåõ æå óñëîâèÿõ ñ E8 îò ES (ìíîþ ïîêóðî÷åííûì ;-)).
Ó ìåíÿ ïîëó÷èëîñü E8 äàåò 12-20% (ïðàâäà 20% ïðèøëîñü ïîèñêàòü).
MS> Hó, îíè ïðîñòî äðóãèå öåëè ïðåñëåäîâàëè. Õîòÿ òî, ÷òî íèãäå ÿâíî
MS> íå îáãîâîðèëè (?), íå åñòü õîðîøî.
Èäåÿ-òî õîðîøàÿ, ðåàëèçàöèÿ - íå î÷åíü. Òàêîå âïå÷àòëåíèå, ÷òî îíè ëó÷øå
çíàêîìû ñ êîäîãåíåðàöèåé, ÷åì ñî ñæàòèåì.
MS> 2) çàíèìàåòñÿ ýòèì ìàéêðîñîôò;
Ó íåãî ñòèìóë åñòü - ýêçåøíèê WinWord.exe âñêîðîñòè ïåðåñòàíåò âìåùàòüñÿ
íà CD-ROM ;-).
VY> Ìíå òàêæå èíòåðåñíî, àâòîðû ñòàòüè íå çàáûâàþò ëè ïðî òîò ôàêò,
VY> ÷òî íà ïåðåóïîðÿäî÷èâàåìûå êîìàíäû ìîãóò áûòü ññûëêè? :-)
Òàì ïî÷òè ïîëíîå äèçàññåìáëèðîâàíèå, òàê ÷òî ýòî îòëîâèòü åùå ìîæíî, à
âîò åñëè èäåò îáðàùåíèå ê êàêîìó-íèáóäü memory mapped device - âñå, êèðäûê.
AM> Âñå äàëåêî íå òàê çäÎðîâî. Ïîèñê ññûëîê íå äàåò 100% ãàðàíòèè - íå
âñåãäà
AM> î÷åâèäíî, ãäå êîä, ãäå äàííûå, à ãäå òàáëèöû ïåðåõîäîâ. Ãîðàçäî áîëåå
È êàê æå ïðîöåññîð ñ ýòèì ñïðàâëÿåòñÿ? ;-)
AM> ïåðñïåêòèâíûì ïðåäñòàâëÿåòñÿ êîìïèëÿöèÿ â ïðîìåæóòî÷íûé, óäîáíûé äëÿ
ñæàòèÿ
AM> è äëÿ ïåðåâîäà â ìàøèííûå êîäû, ïñåâäîêîä (p-code èëè êàê åãî òàì),
êîòîðûé
AM> óæå ìîæíî ïîæàòü. Çàîäíî ïåðåíîñèìîñòü ðàñòåò.
AM> Êñòàòè, åñëè íå îøèáàþñü, òàêîé ïîäõîä (íå óïàêîâêà, à èñïîëüçîâàíèå
AM> ïñåâäîêîäà) ðåàëèçîâàí íà windows ce.net.
Àãà, è îïëà÷èâàòü ýòî "èçîáðåòåíèå" íàì åùå ïðåäñòîèò.
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From : Maxim Smirnov 2:5020/175.2 11 Jun 02 12:05:41
To : Bulat Ziganshin
Subj : exe compression
From: "Maxim Smirnov" <model@iac.spb.ru>
Tue Jun 11 2002 11:03, Bulat Ziganshin wrote to Maxim Smirnov:
BZ>>> ãäå òàì E8??? åñòü, êñòàòè, îòäåëüíûå êîíâåðòåðû? äëÿ
BZ>>> ýêñïåðèìåíòîâ ñ òåì
BZ>>> æå ppmd
MS>> íå ñìîòðåë.
MS>> Äóìàþ, ìîæíî òðÿõíóòü àâòîðîâ.
BZ> äûê ÿ îäèí èç íèõ :) íî âäðóã åñòü ãîòîâîå
òû ïðî e8?
Îí, ïî-ìîåìó, ó âñåõ åñòü :-)
 êðàéíåì ñëó÷àå 7zip ñãîäèòñÿ ;-)
ß-òî ïðî äðóãîé ïðåïðîöåññèíã ïîäóìàë.
Maxim
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From : Vadim Yoockin 2:5020/1042.50 11 Jun 02 12:11:03
To : Dmitry Shkarin
Subj : Re: exe compression
From: "Vadim Yoockin" <vy@thermosyn.com>
Hello, Dmitry!
You wrote to Maxim Smirnov on Tue, 11 Jun 2002 07:44:28 +0000 (UTC):
MS>> Äóìàþ, âñå-òàêè 2/4 :-)
MS>> Ìîæåò, ÿ íåáðåæíî ïðîëèñòàë: ãäå òû âûñìîòðåë, ÷òî
MS>> èìåííî 3/4 ?
DS> ß ïðîñòî ñðàâíèë íà òåõ æå óñëîâèÿõ ñ E8 îò ES (ìíîþ ïîêóðî÷åííûì
DS> ;-)). Ó ìåíÿ ïîëó÷èëîñü E8 äàåò 12-20% (ïðàâäà 20% ïðèøëîñü ïîèñêàòü).
Êîíå÷íî, âñå çàâèñèò îò òîãî, êàê äîæèìàòü ïîòîêè äàííûõ.
MS>> Hó, îíè ïðîñòî äðóãèå öåëè ïðåñëåäîâàëè. Õîòÿ òî, ÷òî íèãäå ÿâíî
MS>> íå îáãîâîðèëè (?), íå åñòü õîðîøî.
DS> Èäåÿ-òî õîðîøàÿ, ðåàëèçàöèÿ - íå î÷åíü. Òàêîå âïå÷àòëåíèå, ÷òî îíè
DS> ëó÷øå çíàêîìû ñ êîäîãåíåðàöèåé, ÷åì ñî ñæàòèåì.
Åñòü òàêîå äåëî. Ýòî è ïî ñïèñêó îñòàëüíûõ ðàáîò ýòèõ àâòîðîâ âèäíî.
VY>> Ìíå òàêæå èíòåðåñíî, àâòîðû ñòàòüè íå çàáûâàþò ëè ïðî òîò ôàêò,
VY>> ÷òî íà ïåðåóïîðÿäî÷èâàåìûå êîìàíäû ìîãóò áûòü ññûëêè? :-)
DS> Òàì ïî÷òè ïîëíîå äèçàññåìáëèðîâàíèå, òàê ÷òî ýòî îòëîâèòü åùå
DS> ìîæíî, à âîò åñëè èäåò îáðàùåíèå ê êàêîìó-íèáóäü memory mapped device -
DS> âñå, êèðäûê.
IDA òîæå äåëàåò ïî÷òè ïîëíîå äèçàññåìáëèðîâàíèå. Hî â òîì òî è øòóêà, ÷òî
"ïî÷òè". À â ñòàòüå ÿ íå íàøåë îãîâîðêè ïðî îòñëåæèâàíèå ññûëîê.
Ìîæåò, îíè ðàçæàòûå îáðàòíî ïðîãðàììû íå ïûòàëèñü çàïóñêàòü? ;-)
Êñòàòè, åùå îäíî íàïðàâëåíèå äëÿ ïîäãîíêè êîäà ïîä ñæàòèå -
óêîðî÷åíèå ññûëîê â óñëîâíûõ ïåðåõîäàõ.
AM>> Âñå äàëåêî íå òàê çäÎðîâî. Ïîèñê ññûëîê íå äàåò 100% ãàðàíòèè - íå
DS> âñåãäà
AM>> î÷åâèäíî, ãäå êîä, ãäå äàííûå, à ãäå òàáëèöû ïåðåõîäîâ. Ãîðàçäî áîëåå
DS> È êàê æå ïðîöåññîð ñ ýòèì ñïðàâëÿåòñÿ? ;-)
Åìó ïðîñòî âåçåò ;-)
Âñåãî äîáðîãî,
Âàäèì.
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From : Alexey Monastyrenko 2:5020/400 11 Jun 02 12:56:42
To : Dmitry Shkarin
Subj : Re: exe compression
From: "Alexey Monastyrenko" <aamonster@mail.ru>
"Dmitry Shkarin" <dmitry.shkarin@mtu-net.ru> wrote
> VY> Ìíå òàêæå èíòåðåñíî, àâòîðû ñòàòüè íå çàáûâàþò ëè ïðî òîò ôàêò,
> VY> ÷òî íà ïåðåóïîðÿäî÷èâàåìûå êîìàíäû ìîãóò áûòü ññûëêè? :-)
> Òàì ïî÷òè ïîëíîå äèçàññåìáëèðîâàíèå, òàê ÷òî ýòî îòëîâèòü åùå ìîæíî, à
> âîò åñëè èäåò îáðàùåíèå ê êàêîìó-íèáóäü memory mapped device - âñå,
êèðäûê.
>
> AM> Âñå äàëåêî íå òàê çäÎðîâî. Ïîèñê ññûëîê íå äàåò 100% ãàðàíòèè - íå
> âñåãäà
> AM> î÷åâèäíî, ãäå êîä, ãäå äàííûå, à ãäå òàáëèöû ïåðåõîäîâ. Ãîðàçäî áîëåå
> È êàê æå ïðîöåññîð ñ ýòèì ñïðàâëÿåòñÿ? ;-)
Ïðîöåññîð, çíàåøü ëè, ïðîãðàììó âûïîëíÿåò. Îí âñåãäà çíàåò: ýòî - êîä :)
Ïîïðîáóé âçÿòü ýêçåøíèê è ïîèñêàòü â íåì òàáëèöû ïåðåõîäîâ. Åñëè ïîëó÷èòñÿ,
îáðàòèñü êî ìíå, äàì ýêçåøíèê, ñ êîòîðûì òû íå ñïðàâèøüñÿ :-).
> AM> ïåðñïåêòèâíûì ïðåäñòàâëÿåòñÿ êîìïèëÿöèÿ â ïðîìåæóòî÷íûé, óäîáíûé äëÿ
> ñæàòèÿ
> AM> è äëÿ ïåðåâîäà â ìàøèííûå êîäû, ïñåâäîêîä (p-code èëè êàê åãî òàì),
> êîòîðûé
> AM> óæå ìîæíî ïîæàòü. Çàîäíî ïåðåíîñèìîñòü ðàñòåò.
> AM> Êñòàòè, åñëè íå îøèáàþñü, òàêîé ïîäõîä (íå óïàêîâêà, à èñïîëüçîâàíèå
> AM> ïñåâäîêîäà) ðåàëèçîâàí íà windows ce.net.
> Àãà, è îïëà÷èâàòü ýòî "èçîáðåòåíèå" íàì åùå ïðåäñòîèò.
Óãó :-(
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From : Bulat Ziganshin 2:5093/4.126 11 Jun 02 14:05:46
To : Dmitry Shkarin
Subj : exe compression
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Ïðèÿòíîãî òåáå äíÿ è íåçàáûâàåìîé íî÷è, Dmitry!
Tuesday June 11 2002, Dmitry Shkarin writes to Maxim Smirnov:
DS> ß ïðîñòî ñðàâíèë íà òåõ æå óñëîâèÿõ ñ E8 îò ES (ìíîþ ïîêóðî÷åííûì
DS> ;-)). Ó ìåíÿ ïîëó÷èëîñü E8 äàåò 12-20% (ïðàâäà 20% ïðèøëîñü
DS> ïîèñêàòü).
íà ppmd?
VY>> Ìíå òàêæå èíòåðåñíî, àâòîðû ñòàòüè íå çàáûâàþò ëè ïðî òîò ôàêò,
VY>> ÷òî íà ïåðåóïîðÿäî÷èâàåìûå êîìàíäû ìîãóò áûòü ññûëêè? :-)
DS> Òàì ïî÷òè ïîëíîå äèçàññåìáëèðîâàíèå, òàê ÷òî ýòî îòëîâèòü åùå
DS> ìîæíî, à âîò åñëè èäåò îáðàùåíèå ê êàêîìó-íèáóäü memory mapped device
DS> - âñå, êèðäûê.
èç ïðèêëàäíóõè? :) äà è ãäå íûí÷å íàéä¸øü memory-mapped ïîðòû? à åñëè ýòî ÷òî-í
èáóäü òèïà âèäåîïàìÿòè, òî íå ïðîáëåìà
Bulat, mailto:bulatz-AT-fort.tatarstan.ru, ICQ: work 15872722, home 11849833
... Èíîãäà äëÿ òîãî, ÷òîáû èçìåíèòü ñâîå âîñïðèÿòèå ìèðà,
... ëþäè ïûòàþòñÿ èçìåíèòü ñàì ìèð
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From : Alexey Monastyrenko 2:5020/400 11 Jun 02 14:57:59
To : Bulat Ziganshin
Subj : Re: exe compression
From: "Alexey Monastyrenko" <aamonster@mail.ru>
"Bulat Ziganshin" <Bulat.Ziganshin@p126.f4.n5093.z2.fidonet.org> wrote
> >> VY> Ìíå òàêæå èíòåðåñíî, àâòîðû ñòàòüè íå çàáûâàþò ëè ïðî òîò ôàêò,
> >> VY> ÷òî íà ïåðåóïîðÿäî÷èâàåìûå êîìàíäû ìîãóò áûòü ññûëêè? :-)
> >>
> >> ññûëêè íàéòè íåòðóäíî.
>
> AM> Âñå äàëåêî íå òàê çäÎðîâî. Ïîèñê ññûëîê íå äàåò 100% ãàðàíòèè - íå
> AM> âñåãäà î÷åâèäíî, ãäå êîä, ãäå äàííûå, à ãäå òàáëèöû ïåðåõîäîâ.
>
> â ñîâðåìåííûõ-òî êîìïèëÿòîðàõ? ýòî æ íå ðó÷êàìè, êîãäà èçìåíÿþò èíñòðóêöèþ
> ïåðåä ñîáîé òîëüêî äëÿ òîãî, ÷òîá óçíàòü òèï ïðîöåññîðà :)
À âñå ðàâíî. Ñîâðåìåííûå êîìïèëÿòîðû êàê ðàç âîâñþ ãåíåðÿò òàáëèöû ññûëîê
äëÿ îïåðàòîðà switch...case.
Ñàìûé áîëüøîé ìèíóñ - ÷òî çà îøèáêó ðàñïëà÷èâàòüñÿ áóäåøü íå ïîòåðåé ñæàòèÿ,
à íåðàáîòîñïîñîáíîñòüþ ïðîãðàììû. Âåäü îäíîé îøèáêè íà ôàéë õâàòèò, ÷òîáû
ïðîãðàììà íå ðàáîòàëà âîîáùå èëè ãëþ÷èëà â êàêèõ-òî óñëîâèÿõ.
Âîò åñëè âíåäðèòüñÿ ìåæäó êîìïèëÿòîðîì è ëèíêåðîì - ìîæåò, ÷òî è âûéäåò...
> AM> Ãîðàçäî
> AM> áîëåå ïåðñïåêòèâíûì ïðåäñòàâëÿåòñÿ êîìïèëÿöèÿ â ïðîìåæóòî÷íûé,
> AM> óäîáíûé
> AM> äëÿ ñæàòèÿ è äëÿ ïåðåâîäà â ìàøèííûå êîäû, ïñåâäîêîä (p-code èëè êàê
> AM> åãî òàì), êîòîðûé óæå ìîæíî ïîæàòü. Çàîäíî ïåðåíîñèìîñòü
> AM> ðàñòåò. Êñòàòè, åñëè íå îøèáàþñü, òàêîé ïîäõîä (íå óïàêîâêà, à
> AM> èñïîëüçîâàíèå ïñåâäîêîäà) ðåàëèçîâàí íà windows ce.net.
>
> è â windows.net òîæå. íî, âèäèìî, äëÿ c/c++/c# âñ¸ æå îñòàëèñü è íàòèâíûå
> êîìïèëÿòîðû
Êóäà æ îíè äåíóòñÿ :)
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From : Sergey Borodachev 2:5048/7.6 11 Jun 02 16:17:04
To : Sergei Markoff
Subj :
Hello, Sergei
07 Jun 02 23:50, Sergei Markoff wrote to Bulat Ziganshin:
BZ>> Äëÿ ïðîöåññîðà AMD Athlon XP ñèòóàöèÿ â öåëîì ïîâòîðÿåòñÿ -
BZ>> çíà÷èòåëüíîå ïðåèìóùåñòâî ïðîäóêòà îò Intel.
SM> Èíòåpåñíî áûëî áû ïîñìîòpåòü íà êîëè÷åñòâåííîå ñpàâíåíèå. Ïîêà ÷òî ó
SM> ìåíÿ ñëîæèëîñü ñîâåpøåííî ïpîòèâîïîëîæíîå âïå÷àòëåíèå. Ïpàâäà påøàåìûå
SM> ìíîþ çàäà÷è (øàõìàòíîå ïpîãpàììèpîâàíèå) íåñêîëüêî îòëè÷àþòñÿ îò çàäà÷
SM> ñæàòèÿ, íî òåì íå ìåíåå. Ìîé Athlon-1700XP+ (påàëüíàÿ ÷àñòîòà
SM> ïpîöåññîpà 1533 ìãö, êòî íå çíàåò) íà áîëüøåíñòâå òåñòîâ íå ìåäëåííåå
SM> ÷åì P4-2000.
Ðå÷ü, íàñêîëüêî ÿ ïîíÿë, øëà íå î "P4 vs Athlon XP", à î "MSVC++6.0sp5 vs Intel
C/C++ 5.01".
"Ïðîäóêò îò intel" çäåñü -- IntelC 5.01.
BZ>> (ïÿòûé ñåðâèñïàê âûøåë áîëåå ãîäà íàçàä) è íå èìååò âîçìîæíîñòåé
BZ>> ïî îïòèìèçàöèè ïîä SIMD íàáîðû ñîâðåìåííûõ ïðîöåññîðîâ. Çàòî
BZ>> îáëàäàåò
2All : Êàêèå ìåòîäû êîìïðåññèè, íà Âàø âçãëÿä, ïîëó÷àò íàèáîëüøèé âûèãðûø ïðè ï
åðåõîäå íà IA-64 è x86-64bit?
With respect, serg. mailto:pascal[at]pisem.net
... Áóäåøü òèøå - äîëüøå áóäåøü
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From : Bulat Ziganshin 2:5093/4.126 11 Jun 02 17:22:38
To : Alexey Monastyrenko
Subj : exe compression
* Originally in RU.COMPRESS
Ïðèÿòíîãî òåáå äíÿ è íåçàáûâàåìîé íî÷è, Alexey!
Tuesday June 11 2002, Alexey Monastyrenko writes to Dmitry Shkarin:
AM> Ïðîöåññîð, çíàåøü ëè, ïðîãðàììó âûïîëíÿåò. Îí âñåãäà çíàåò: ýòî - êîä
AM> :) Ïîïðîáóé âçÿòü ýêçåøíèê è ïîèñêàòü â íåì òàáëèöû ïåðåõîäîâ. Åñëè
AM> ïîëó÷èòñÿ, îáðàòèñü êî ìíå, äàì ýêçåøíèê, ñ êîòîðûì òû íå ñïðàâèøüñÿ
AM> :-).
ñãåíåð¸ííûé êîìïèëÿòîðîì èç .net? âîò òî-òî è îíî
Bulat, mailto:bulatz-AT-fort.tatarstan.ru, ICQ: work 15872722, home 11849833
... Èíîãäà äëÿ òîãî, ÷òîáû èçìåíèòü ñâîå âîñïðèÿòèå ìèðà,
... ëþäè ïûòàþòñÿ èçìåíèòü ñàì ìèð
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From : Bulat Ziganshin 2:5093/4.126 11 Jun 02 17:24:20
To : Alexander Bragin
Subj : Re Êíèãà "Ìåòîäû ñæàòèÿ äàííûõ"
* Originally in RU.COMPRESS
Ïðèÿòíîãî òåáå äíÿ è íåçàáûâàåìîé íî÷è, Alexander!
Tuesday June 11 2002, Alexander Bragin writes to øåï:
AB> superpack is image recognition ;)
òû àíãëèéñêèé çíàåøü?
Bulat, mailto:bulatz-AT-fort.tatarstan.ru, ICQ: work 15872722, home 11849833
... Èíîãäà äëÿ òîãî, ÷òîáû èçìåíèòü ñâîå âîñïðèÿòèå ìèðà,
... ëþäè ïûòàþòñÿ èçìåíèòü ñàì ìèð
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From : Maxim Smirnov 2:5020/175.2 11 Jun 02 17:28:35
To : Alexander Bragin
Subj : Re Êíèãà "Ìåòîäû ñæàòèÿ äàííûõ"
From: "Maxim Smirnov" <model@iac.spb.ru>
Tue Jun 11 2002 18:15, Alexander Bragin wrote to øåï:
AB> ôèëîñîôñêîì ïëàíå ñòàâèì èíôîpìàöèþ âíå âpåìåíè - íå
AB> ïîñëåäîâàòåëüíîñòü, êîòîpóþ íàäî óãàäàòü/ïpåäñêààçàòü
AB> à êîíñòàíòà, êîòîpóþ íàäî ïpåäñòàâèòü áîëåå êîpîòêîé
AB> ýêâèâàëåíòíîé çàïèñüþ, ôîpìóëîé è/èëè ïpîãpàììîé.
AB> Äà, Êîëìîãîpîâñêàÿ ñëîæíîñòü íåâû÷èñëèìà. Hî ýòî íå
AB> åäèíñòâåííàÿ òpóäíîñòü ýòèõ ìåòîäîâ.
Åñëè òû çíàêîì ñ ýòèì òåðìèíîì, òî äîëæåí çíàòü, ÷òî êîëì.
ñëîæíîñòü îïðåäåëÿåòñÿ íå òîëüêî ñâîéñòâîì îïèñûâàåìîé
"êîíñòàíòû"
Maxim
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From : Bulat Ziganshin 2:5093/4.126 11 Jun 02 17:31:55
To : Alexey Monastyrenko
Subj : exe compression
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Ïðèÿòíîãî òåáå äíÿ è íåçàáûâàåìîé íî÷è, Alexey!
Tuesday June 11 2002, Alexey Monastyrenko writes to Bulat Ziganshin:
>> â ñîâðåìåííûõ-òî êîìïèëÿòîðàõ? ýòî æ íå ðó÷êàìè, êîãäà èçìåíÿþò
>> èíñòðóêöèþ ïåðåä ñîáîé òîëüêî äëÿ òîãî, ÷òîá óçíàòü òèï ïðîöåññîðà
>> :)
AM> À âñå ðàâíî. Ñîâðåìåííûå êîìïèëÿòîðû êàê ðàç âîâñþ ãåíåðÿò òàáëèöû
AM> ññûëîê äëÿ îïåðàòîðà switch...case.
âîò èìåííî. ýòî íåñëîæíî îáíàðóæèòü, ÿ äóìàþ
AM> Ñàìûé áîëüøîé ìèíóñ - ÷òî çà îøèáêó ðàñïëà÷èâàòüñÿ áóäåøü íå ïîòåðåé
AM> ñæàòèÿ, à íåðàáîòîñïîñîáíîñòüþ ïðîãðàììû. Âåäü îäíîé îøèáêè íà ôàéë
à òî ÿ íå çíàë :)
Bulat, mailto:bulatz-AT-fort.tatarstan.ru, ICQ: work 15872722, home 11849833
... Èíîãäà äëÿ òîãî, ÷òîáû èçìåíèòü ñâîå âîñïðèÿòèå ìèðà,
... ëþäè ïûòàþòñÿ èçìåíèòü ñàì ìèð
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From : Serge Voskoboynikov 2:4616/3.41 11 Jun 02 17:48:02
To : Bulat Ziganshin
Subj : Êíèãà "Ìåòîäû ñæàòèÿ äàííûõ"
Çäpàâñòâyéòå ìíîãîyâàæàåìûé Bulat!
10 èþíÿ 2002 20:38, Bulat Ziganshin ïèñàë Serge Voskoboynikov:
SV>> À ýòî ÷òî çà çâåpü, åñëè íå ñåêpåò?
BZ> íå ñåêpåò, íî îáúÿñíÿòü äîëãî.
Hà÷èíàé pàññêàçûâàòü, ÿ íå òîpîïëþñü ;-)
Èëè, åñëè òû ýòî yæå ãäå-òî îáíàpîäîâàë, äàé ññûëî÷êy. ß äàæå
âîëøåáíîå ñëîâî ñêàæy: "Ïîæàëyéñòà!"
BZ> íàõîäèò òàáëè÷êè, â ÷àñòíîñòè â ýêçåøíèêàõ, è "äèôôåpåíöèpyåò" èõ
Õì... Hà ìîé âçãëÿä, òåìà èíòåpåñíåå, ÷åì ñòàòè÷åñêèé PPM. Æàëü, ÷òî
îíà íå ïîïàëà íà ñòpàíèöû "Ìåòîäîâ ñæàòèÿ äàííûõ".
BZ> ... Èíîãäà äëÿ òîãî, ÷òîáû èçìåíèòü ñâîå âîñïpèÿòèå ìèpà,
BZ> ... ëþäè ïûòàþòñÿ èçìåíèòü ñàì ìèp
Åñòåñòâåííî, âåäü òîãäà îí ëy÷øå æìåòñÿ, è áûñòpåå ïîïàäàåò â ãîëîây :-)
Äî íîâûõ âñòpå÷ Bulat!
... Óáåé áëèæíåãî, îòáåpè y íåãî ñíàéïåpêy è yáåé äàëüíåãî (IX çàïîâåäü AQ2)
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From : Alexey Monastyrenko 2:5020/400 11 Jun 02 17:50:22
To : Bulat Ziganshin
Subj : Re: exe compression
From: "Alexey Monastyrenko" <aamonster@mail.ru>
"Bulat Ziganshin" <Bulat.Ziganshin@p126.f4.n5093.z2.fidonet.org> wrote
> VY>> Ìíå òàêæå èíòåðåñíî, àâòîðû ñòàòüè íå çàáûâàþò ëè ïðî òîò ôàêò,
> VY>> ÷òî íà ïåðåóïîðÿäî÷èâàåìûå êîìàíäû ìîãóò áûòü ññûëêè? :-)
> DS> Òàì ïî÷òè ïîëíîå äèçàññåìáëèðîâàíèå, òàê ÷òî ýòî îòëîâèòü åùå
> DS> ìîæíî, à âîò åñëè èäåò îáðàùåíèå ê êàêîìó-íèáóäü memory mapped device
> DS> - âñå, êèðäûê.
>
> èç ïðèêëàäíóõè? :) äà è ãäå íûí÷å íàéä¸øü memory-mapped ïîðòû? à åñëè ýòî
> ÷òî-íèáóäü òèïà âèäåîïàìÿòè, òî íå ïðîáëåìà
Áóëàò, íå çàáûâàé î òîì, ÷òî òóò 99.9% òî÷íîñòè îïðåäåëåíèÿ - íåäîñòàòî÷íî.
Ïîòîìó êàê, åñëè ÷òî - ïîñòðàäàåò íå ýôôåêòèâíîñòü ñæàòèÿ, à
ðàáîòîñïîñîáíîñòü ïðîãðàììû.
À âîîáùå íå âïîëíå ïîíèìàþ ñëîæíîñòü èìåííî ñ memory mapped... Åãî æàòü íå
íàäî, îíî â exe íå âõîäèò :). Jump â òó îáëàñòü òîæå âðÿä ëè áóäåò...
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From : Vadim Yoockin 2:5020/1042.50 11 Jun 02 18:06:47
To : Alexander Bragin
Subj : Re: Re Êíèãà "Ìåòîäû ñæàòèÿ äàííûõ"
From: "Vadim Yoockin" <vy@thermosyn.com>
Hello, Alexander!
You wrote to øåï on Tue, 11 Jun 2002 17:15:37 +0400:
AB>  îòëè÷èå îò Øåííîíîâñêîé êîìïpåññèè
AB> Êîëìîãîpîâñêàÿ óïàêîâêà äîïóñêàå ÐÅÊÓÐÑÈÞ - å¸ âûõîä åù¸
AB> ìîæåò áûòü íåîäíîêpàòíî ñæàò åþ æå.
AB> "Âñÿ Âñåëåííàÿ íà îäíîé äèñêåòòå 1,44 Ìá" ;))
AB>
AB> Âîò çäåñü è íàäî ïpèëîæèòü âàøè òàëàíòëèâûå ãîëîâû -
AB> ïîëå èñòîïòàíî, íî íå ïàõàíî.
Âî-âî. Â comp.compression óæå âîâñþ ïàøóò ïðè ïîìîùè òàëàíòëèâûõ
ãîëîâ, à ìû âñå åùå íè â îäíîì ãëàçó. Håõîðîøî, òîâàðèùè.
Äàâàéòå ïîäòÿãèâàòüñÿ çà ïðîñâåùåííûì ìèðîì ;-)
AB> À Øåííîíîâñêàÿ êîìïpåññèÿ - ýòî óæå ñîpåâíîâàíèå â
AB> ñêîpîñòè, à íå â ïpîöåíòå óïàêîâêè.
À ïðîãðàììó, ðåàëèçóþùóþ ò.í. "Fundamental New Method of Numeric
Data Compression" óæå, ìåæäó ïðî÷èì, âîâñþ ïðîäàþò çà êàêèå-òî
35$. Äîñòàòî÷íî íàïèñàòü íà toc@etel.dn.ua
À ìîæíî òàì æå çàïðîñèòü ïîëíîå îïèñàíèå àëãîðèòìà. Çà 85$.
:))
Âñåì òåêñòîì ìíå íåîõîòà çàñîðÿòü ýõó, íî âîò âûäåðæêà èç íåãî:
The Il'ins Theorem of Numeric Compression:
Exists the infinite amount of complex components and special
formulas for optimum compressed presentations of any large
number expressing data.
In practical realization a size of numbers possible reduce to do to be
acceptable for architecture of computer system. So for buffer in 256
bytes giving numbers before
256^256 = 3,231700607131100730071487668867e+616
The compression in uncomplicated algorithms reaches 3-4 % at a time.
When undertaking the round-robin compression possible
achievement of compression in 6-7 times already earlier
compressed data with maximum level of entropy.
Âñåããî äîáðîãî,
Âàäèì.
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From : Vladimir Semenyuk 2:5020/400 11 Jun 02 18:12:56
To : Alexander Bragin
Subj : Re Êíèãà "Ìåòîäû ñæàòèÿ äàííûõ"
From: "Vladimir Semenyuk" <VSemenyuk@vss.spb.ru>
Ïðèâåò, Alexander !
AB> Hî íåñëîæíî íàéòè ãpàíèöó, ñ êîòîpîé íà÷èíàþòñÿ òàêèå
AB> "Áåñêîíå÷íî áîëüøèå" ÷èñëà C - ýòî > 128 áèò,
AB> ïpè÷¸ì íå îáÿçàòåëüíà êpàòíîñòü áàéòó.
À âîò è îøèáàåøüñÿ. Hèæíÿÿ ãðàíèöà - 59 áèòîâ.
Âñåãî äîáðîãî !
Âîëîäÿ
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From : Alexander Bragin 2:5005/58.17 11 Jun 02 18:15:37
To : øåï
Subj : Re Êíèãà "Ìåòîäû ñæàòèÿ äàííûõ"
-------------------------------------
L-- Hello, *øåï* !
AB>> ÐÅÊÓÐÑÈÂHÛÅ ìåòîäû óïàêîâêè äííûõ.
AB>> Ðåêópñèâíûå îíè ïîòîìó, ÷òî äàííûå, ïîëó÷åííûå îò ñæàòèÿ
AB>> ýòèìè ìåòîäàìè ìîãóò áûòü â ñâîþ î÷åpåäü HÅÎÄHÎÊÐÀÒHÎ
AB>> ñæèìàòüñÿ ýòèìè æå èëè ïîäîáíûìè ìåòîäàìè.
AB>> Òàêèå ìåòîäû åñòü, è íà äâîpå 21 âåê, è ñòîèò
AB>> õîòÿ áû íà÷àòü îáñóæäàòü èõ, íå ãîâîpÿ óæå î ïpèìåíåíèè.
AB>> Òàì òîæå áîëüøóþ pîëü èípàåò ïpåïpîöåññèíã - ïîäãîòîâêà
AB>> äàííûõ ê ñæàòèþ. (÷òîáû ïëîòíåå ñæàòü, íàäî ñïåpâà
AB>> pàçäâèíóòü;)
ø>
ø> pàññêàæè õîòÿ áû ïpî îäèí påêpñèâíûé àëãîpèòì è ïpåïpîöåññîpèíã.
ø> à òî ÿ äàëüøå rle è õàôôìàíà íè÷åãî íå ïîíÿë òîëêîì.
Çäåñü rle, õàôôìàí è àpèôìåòèê - ïîíÿòèå êîìïpåñèè ïî
Øåííîíó. Òî åñòü ñæàòèå ÏÎÑËÅÄÎÂÀÒÅËÜHÎÑÒÈ äàííûõ.
Hî åñòü åù¸ óïàêîâêà èíôîpìàöèè ïî Êîëìîãîpîâó - íå
êàê ïîñëåäîâàòåëüíîñòè, à êàê êîíñòàíòû. Òî åñòü â
ôèëîñîôñêîì ïëàíå ñòàâèì èíôîpìàöèþ âíå âpåìåíè - íå
ïîñëåäîâàòåëüíîñòü, êîòîpóþ íàäî óãàäàòü/ïpåäñêààçàòü
à êîíñòàíòà, êîòîpóþ íàäî ïpåäñòàâèòü áîëåå êîpîòêîé
ýêâèâàëåíòíîé çàïèñüþ, ôîpìóëîé è/èëè ïpîãpàììîé.
Äà, Êîëìîãîpîâñêàÿ ñëîæíîñòü íåâû÷èñëèìà. Hî ýòî íå
åäèíñòâåííàÿ òpóäíîñòü ýòèõ ìåòîäîâ.
Ñàìîå ïpîñòîå èç ýòèõ ìåòîäîâ - öåëî÷èñëåííàÿ àpèôìåòèêà.
Áåp¸ì, íàïpèìåp ïîëèíîì
a ^ b + d = C
çäåñü C - íàøå äàííîå - Áîëüøîå ÷èñëî > 128 áèò
påøàåì çàäà÷ó íàõîæäåíèÿ òàêèõ ÷èñåë a è b, ÷òîáû
d áûëî ìèíèìàëüíûì (èëè õîòÿ áû áûòü ìåíüøå êîpíÿ
êâàäpàòíîãî èç C).
"Ñëîæíî" äîêàçàòü òåîpåìó:
a ^ b + d = C
- äëÿ ëþáîãî íàïåp¸ä çàäàííîãî
Áîëüøîãî (äëÿ íàñ ïî÷òè Áåñêîíåñíî áîëüøîãî) ÖÅËÎÃÎ
÷èñëà C ìîæíî ïîäîápàòü òàêèå a è b, ÷òîáû
d << sqrt(C)
òî åñòü ÷òîáû ÷èñëî d çàíèìàëî ìåíüøå ïîëîâèíû
äâîè÷íûõ pàçpÿäîâ, ÷åì ÷èñëî C.
Hî íåñëîæíî íàéòè ãpàíèöó, ñ êîòîpîé íà÷èíàþòñÿ òàêèå
"Áåñêîíå÷íî áîëüøèå" ÷èñëà C - ýòî > 128 áèò,
ïpè÷¸ì íå îáÿçàòåëüíà êpàòíîñòü áàéòó.
 ñòàpèíó, êîãäà ïpîöåññîpû äåëàëè ìèëëèîí îïåpàöèé
â ñåêóíäó, ýòî êàçàëîñü íåâûïîëíèìûì, íî è òîãäà
óæå ëþäè äóìàëè íàä ýòèì. Òåïåpü, ïpè 2,4 ãÃö ïpîöåññîpàõ
ýòî óæå påàëèçóåìî.
Ýòî óïàêîâêà - çàìåíà áëîêà äàííûõ C åãî ïpåäñòàâëåíèåì -
õîòÿ áû ñèìâîëüíîé çàïèñüþ â ASCII, íàïpèìåp
123456^789+321478965=45678^45129-701245036841934
Çäåñü âûpàæåíèå äî çíàêà pàâåíñòâà âû÷èñëÿåòñÿ è påçóëüòàò
ïîäà¸òñÿ íà âûõîä, è òàê äî êîíöà (ôàéëà).
Äà, óïàêîâêà çàéì¸ò ìíîãî âpåìåíè. Hî pàñïàêîâêà ïpè
ñîâpåìåííîì áûñòpîäåéñòâèè ( 1 ãÃö) áóäåò çàíèìàòü
ïpèåìëåìîå âpåìÿ.  îòëè÷èå îò Øåííîíîâñêîé êîìïpåññèè
Êîëìîãîpîâñêàÿ óïàêîâêà äîïóñêàå ÐÅÊÓÐÑÈÞ - å¸ âûõîä åù¸
ìîæåò áûòü íåîäíîêpàòíî ñæàò åþ æå.
"Âñÿ Âñåëåííàÿ íà îäíîé äèñêåòòå 1,44 Ìá" ;))
Âîò çäåñü è íàäî ïpèëîæèòü âàøè òàëàíòëèâûå ãîëîâû -
ïîëå èñòîïòàíî, íî íå ïàõàíî.
À Øåííîíîâñêàÿ êîìïpåññèÿ - ýòî óæå ñîpåâíîâàíèå â
ñêîpîñòè, à íå â ïpîöåíòå óïàêîâêè.
superpack is image recognition ;)
abra = /Alexander Bragin/
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From : Bulat Ziganshin 2:5093/4.126 11 Jun 02 19:31:57
To : Alexey Monastyrenko
Subj : exe compression
* Originally in RU.COMPRESS
Ïðèÿòíîãî òåáå äíÿ è íåçàáûâàåìîé íî÷è, Alexey!
Tuesday June 11 2002, Alexey Monastyrenko writes to Bulat Ziganshin:
>> èç ïðèêëàäíóõè? :) äà è ãäå íûí÷å íàéä¸øü memory-mapped ïîðòû? à
>> åñëè ýòî ÷òî-íèáóäü òèïà âèäåîïàìÿòè, òî íå ïðîáëåìà
AM> Áóëàò, íå çàáûâàé î òîì, ÷òî òóò 99.9% òî÷íîñòè îïðåäåëåíèÿ -
AM> íåäîñòàòî÷íî. Ïîòîìó êàê, åñëè ÷òî - ïîñòðàäàåò íå ýôôåêòèâíîñòü
AM> ñæàòèÿ, à ðàáîòîñïîñîáíîñòü ïðîãðàììû.
à 100% õâàòèò? :)
AM> À âîîáùå íå âïîëíå ïîíèìàþ ñëîæíîñòü èìåííî ñ memory mapped... Åãî
AM> æàòü íå íàäî, îíî â exe íå âõîäèò :). Jump â òó îáëàñòü òîæå âðÿä ëè
AM> áóäåò...
ïåðåóïîðÿäî÷èâàòü çàïèñü, äà è ÷òåíèå íåëüçÿ
Bulat, mailto:bulatz-AT-fort.tatarstan.ru, ICQ: work 15872722, home 11849833
... Èíîãäà äëÿ òîãî, ÷òîáû èçìåíèòü ñâîå âîñïðèÿòèå ìèðà,
... ëþäè ïûòàþòñÿ èçìåíèòü ñàì ìèð
--- GoldED+/W32 1.1.2
* Origin: ×óáàéñ - ïîâåëèòåëü òüìû (2:5093/4.126)
— RU.COMPRESS
From : Bulat Ziganshin 2:5093/4.126 11 Jun 02 19:37:58
To : Vladimir Semenyuk
Subj : Re Êíèãà "Ìåòîäû ñæàòèÿ äàííûõ"
* Originally in RU.COMPRESS
Ïðèÿòíîãî òåáå äíÿ è íåçàáûâàåìîé íî÷è, Vladimir!
Tuesday June 11 2002, Vladimir Semenyuk writes to Alexander Bragin:
AB>> Hî íåñëîæíî íàéòè ãpàíèöó, ñ êîòîpîé íà÷èíàþòñÿ òàêèå
AB>> "Áåñêîíå÷íî áîëüøèå" ÷èñëà C - ýòî > 128 áèò,
AB>> ïpè÷¸ì íå îáÿçàòåëüíà êpàòíîñòü áàéòó.
VS> À âîò è îøèáàåøüñÿ. Hèæíÿÿ ãðàíèöà - 59 áèòîâ.
âîò òåáÿ è íàçàí÷èì îòâåñòâåííûì çà ýòó ïðîãðàììó! :)
Bulat, mailto:bulatz-AT-fort.tatarstan.ru, ICQ: work 15872722, home 11849833
... Èíîãäà äëÿ òîãî, ÷òîáû èçìåíèòü ñâîå âîñïðèÿòèå ìèðà,
... ëþäè ïûòàþòñÿ èçìåíèòü ñàì ìèð
--- GoldED+/W32 1.1.2
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From : Bulat Ziganshin 2:5093/4.126 11 Jun 02 19:38:23
To : Vadim Yoockin
Subj : Re Êíèãà "Ìåòîäû ñæàòèÿ äàííûõ"
* Originally in RU.COMPRESS
Ïðèÿòíîãî òåáå äíÿ è íåçàáûâàåìîé íî÷è, Vadim!
Tuesday June 11 2002, Vadim Yoockin writes to Alexander Bragin:
VY> À ïðîãðàììó, ðåàëèçóþùóþ ò.í. "Fundamental New Method of Numeric
VY> Data Compression" óæå, ìåæäó ïðî÷èì, âîâñþ ïðîäàþò çà êàêèå-òî
VY> 35$. Äîñòàòî÷íî íàïèñàòü íà toc@etel.dn.ua
VY> À ìîæíî òàì æå çàïðîñèòü ïîëíîå îïèñàíèå àëãîðèòìà. Çà 85$.
VY> :))
VY> Âñåì òåêñòîì ìíå íåîõîòà çàñîðÿòü ýõó, íî âîò âûäåðæêà èç íåãî:
íà àëãîðèòì çíà÷èò äåíåã õâàòèëî, à íà ïîðãðàììó íåò? :)
Bulat, mailto:bulatz-AT-fort.tatarstan.ru, ICQ: work 15872722, home 11849833
... Èíîãäà äëÿ òîãî, ÷òîáû èçìåíèòü ñâîå âîñïðèÿòèå ìèðà,
... ëþäè ïûòàþòñÿ èçìåíèòü ñàì ìèð
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From : Evgeny Bendersky 2:467/24.78 11 Jun 02 20:31:37
To : Sergey Kovalev
Subj : Êíèãà "Ìåòîäû ñæàòèÿ äàííûõ"
Ïðèâåò, Sergey !
 Ïîíåäåëüíèê Èþíü 10 2002 , Sergey Kovalev ïèñàë Vadim Yoockin:
SK> ñìûñëîâîé ÷àñòè "ìåòîäè÷êè". Âîò òóò äåéñòâèòåëüíî åñòü çà
SK> ÷òî âûïîðîòü.
À êòî òû òàêîé, ÷òîáû ïîðîòü âåäóùèõ â ìèðå ñïåöèàëèñòîâ â îáëàñòè
ñæàòèÿ äàííûõ ?
SK> È êàñàåòñÿ ýòî êàíöåïòóàëüíûõ,
SK> îñíîâîïîëàãàþùèõ âåùåé, êîòîðûå èçëîæåíû
SK> íå ïðîñòî êîðÿâî, à â ïðèíöèïå íåâåðíî.
Ñëóøàé, èçëîæè âåðíî, à, ?
SK> ß ìîã áû íàïèñàòü áîëåå ïðåäìåòíî, íî, ÷åñòíî ãîâîðÿ,
Hàïèøè. À ÿ òâîþ êíèæêó êóïëþ. Åñëè áóäåò ÷òî òîëêîâîå ïîêóïàòü...
Ýòî æ, ïî òâîèì ñëîâàì, àðõèâûãîäíî.
C óâàæåíèåì, Åâãåíèé Áåíäåðñêèé.
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From : Evgeny Bendersky 2:467/24.78 11 Jun 02 20:39:51
To : Vadim Yoockin
Subj : exe compression
Ïðèâåò, Vadim !
 Âîñêðåñåíüå Èþíü 09 2002 , Vadim Yoockin ïèñàë Dmitry Shkarin:
VY> Ïpèâåòñòâóþ, Dmitry!
VY> 08 Jun 02, Dmitry Shkarin ïèñàë ê Maxim Smirnov:
DS>> 2) Èíòåëîâñêèé êîìïàéëåð ñòàðàëñÿ, èíñòðóêöèè
DS>> ïåðåóïîðÿäî÷èâàë, ÷òîáû îíè äåêîäèðîâàëèñü áûñòðåå. Ïðèøëè
DS>> ãîðÿ÷èå MS-ïàðíè è âñþ ìàëèíó ïîïîðòèëè.
VY> Ìíå òàêæå èíòåðåñíî, àâòîðû ñòàòüè íå çàáûâàþò ëè ïðî òîò ôàêò,
VY> ÷òî íà ïåðåóïîðÿäî÷èâàåìûå êîìàíäû ìîãóò áûòü ññûëêè? :-)
Îíè íå òîëüêî ýòî çàáûâàþò. È ñðàâíèâàëè îíè ñ "ëó÷øèì àðõèâàòîðîì" àæ 93-ãî
ãîäà ðîæäåíèÿ (ññûëêà 9 â òåêñòå), è òàáëè÷êè â òåêñòå ó íèõ áåç òî÷íûõ
óêàçàíèé çàòðà÷åííîãî âðåìåíè è ïàìÿòè, è ìíîãî ÷åãî åùå. HÎ : Õîðîøàÿ (â
ïëàíå èäåé) ñòàòüÿ, õîòÿ â öåëîì ñûðàÿ.
C óâàæåíèåì, Åâãåíèé Áåíäåðñêèé.
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From : Evgeny Bendersky 2:467/24.78 11 Jun 02 20:40:36
To : Alexander Bragin
Subj : Re Êíèãà "Ìåòîäû ñæàòèÿ äàííûõ"
Ïðèâåò, Alexander !
 Ïîíåäåëüíèê Èþíü 10 2002 , Alexander Bragin ïèñàë All:
AB> Óâàæàÿ òpóäû àêñàêàëîâ êîìïpåññèè äàííûõ, ÿ ñíîâà õîòåë áû
AB> îápàòèòü âíèìàíèå ìîëîäûõ è ïåpñïåêòèâíûõ ëþäåé íà
AB> ÐÅÊÓÐÑÈÂHÛÅ ìåòîäû óïàêîâêè äííûõ.
AB> Ðåêópñèâíûå îíè ïîòîìó, ÷òî äàííûå, ïîëó÷åííûå îò ñæàòèÿ
AB> ýòèìè ìåòîäàìè ìîãóò áûòü â ñâîþ î÷åpåäü HÅÎÄHÎÊÐÀÒHÎ
AB> ñæèìàòüñÿ ýòèìè æå èëè ïîäîáíûìè ìåòîäàìè.
Ýòî òû ïðî âå÷íûé äâèãàòåëü , ÷òî-ëè? Òàê çàùèòà äèññåðòàöèè ïî
âîçìîæíîñòè îíîãî íå îçíà÷àåò ,÷òî îí åñòü.
AB> Òàêèå ìåòîäû åñòü, è íà äâîpå 21 âåê, è ñòîèò
AB> õîòÿ áû íà÷àòü îáñóæäàòü èõ,
À ìîæíî.. ýòî.. êîíêðåòíåå è íå ïðî âå÷íûé äâèãàòåëü ?
çàðàíåå ãîðÿ÷î áëàãîäàðåí.
AB> íå ãîâîpÿ óæå î ïpèìåíåíèè.
AB> Òàì òîæå áîëüøóþ pîëü èípàåò ïpåïpîöåññèíã - ïîäãîòîâêà
AB> äàííûõ ê ñæàòèþ.
Ýòî åñòü, è øèðîêî ñåãîäíÿ èñïîëüçóåòñÿ. È î÷åíü øèðîêî
îáñóæäàåòñÿ.
AB> (÷òîáû ïëîòíåå ñæàòü, íàäî ñïåpâà
AB> pàçäâèíóòü;)
ðàçäâèãàà-é-ñü ! :)
AB> Ðàñïîçíàâàíèå îápàçîâ åñòü ñâåpõóïàêîâêà äàííûõ (c) abra
Óâû, ñ ïîòåðÿìè.
C óâàæåíèåì, Åâãåíèé Áåíäåðñêèé.
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* Origin: Áîé ïðîäîëæàåòñÿ ! (2:467/24.78)