Ïðåäûäóùèé áëîê Ñëåäóþùèé áëîê Âåðíóòüñÿ â èíäåêñ
 RU.COMPRESS 
 From : Vova Orlov                           2:5030/732.27  18 Jul 00 08:37:48
 To   : All                                 
 Subj : exe pack                                                                     


Hello everybody.

À ïî÷åìó ïàêîâàíàÿ win32 ïðîãðàììà â ïàìÿòè ìåñòà áîëüøå çàíèìàåò, ÷åì íåïàêîâà
ííàÿ?

Vova

--- GoldED+/W32 1.1.4.5
 * Origin:  (2:5030/732.27)


 RU.COMPRESS 
 From : Anatoly Popov                        2:5003/7.2     18 Jul 00 10:57:00
 To   : All                                 
 Subj : Èñòîðèÿ ñ ãåîãðàôèåé ;)                                                      


Ïðèâåò, All!

ß òóò ïèøó íåáîëüøîé ìàíóàë äëÿ þçåðîâ ;), â ðåçóëüòàòå ñàìîìó ïîíàäîáèëñÿ ó÷åá
íèê ñàáæà ;))) Ïîïðàâüòå ìåíÿ. Êîðî÷å, â òåêñòå åñòü êðàòêèé îáçîð ñðåäñòâ àðõè
âèðîâàíèÿ è ðåçåðâíîãî êîïèðîâàíèÿ èíôîðìàöèè, äîñòóïíûõ ïðîñòîìó þçåðó, íî âîç
íèêàþò ñîìíåíèÿ ïî ïîâîäó êîððåêòíîñòè ìîèõ ëè÷íûõ íàáëþäåíèé è ñâåäåíèé ôàêòè÷
åñêîãî õàðàêòåðà.

Ïî ïîâîäó ñëåäóþùåãî îòðûâêà õîòåëîñü áû óñëûøàòü êðèòè÷åñêèé îòçûâ, ïðàâèëüíî 
ëè ÿ ïîíÿë ïðè÷èíó "îáäåëåííîñòè" çèïîâ âñÿ÷åñêèìè ôè÷àìè (ïî ñðàâíåíèþ ñ ARJ, 
íàïðèìåð):

>=== Cut ===
Àðõèâàòîðû PKZIP/PKUNZIP (àâòîð Phillip Katz, êîìïàíèÿ PKWARE,
Inc., ÑØÀ), WinZip (êîìïàíèÿ Nico Mak Computing, Inc., ÑØÀ)

Èìåþò <ðîäñòâåííèêîâ> íà âñåõ èëè ïî÷òè âñåõ ïëàòôîðìàõ è
ñèñòåìàõ, ôîðìàò àðõèâà ÿâëÿåòñÿ îáùåïðèçíàííûì ôàêòè÷åñêèì
ñòàíäàðòîì ïðè îáìåíå èíôîðìàöèåé ïî ñåòÿì, è â ýòîì åãî ãëàâíîå
äîñòîèíñòâî. Îäíàêî òàêîé øèðîêèé <àðåàë îáèòàíèÿ> è âûòåêàþùàÿ
îòñþäà ïðîáëåìà ñîâìåñòèìîñòè àðõèâîâ, ïî âñåé âèäèìîñòè, ñòàëè
ãëàâíûì ñäåðæèâàþùèì ôàêòîðîì íà ïóòè îñíàùåíèÿ âñåãî <ñåìåéñòâà>
ðàçëè÷íûìè ïîëåçíûìè âîçìîæíîñòÿìè. Àðõèâû èìåþò ðàñøèðåíèå ZIP.
>=== Cut ===


À â ñëåäóþùåì îòðûâêå õîòåëîñü áû ïðîâåðèòü äîñòîâåðíîñòü ñâåäåíèé, ïîìå÷åííûõ 
çíàêàìè âîïðîñà:

>=== Cut ===
Êðîìå òîãî, âû âïîëíå ìîæåòå âñòðåòèòüñÿ ñ àðõèâàìè, ñîçäàííûìè
äðóãèìè ïîïóëÿðíûìè ðàíåå àðõèâàòîðàìè:

LHA (àâòîð Haruyasu Yoshizaki, ßïîíèÿ (???))

Ðàçâèòèå ýòîãî êîìïàêòíîãî àðõèâàòîðà ïðåêðàòèëîñü ïðèìåðíî â
1992 (???) ãîäó, íî áëàãîäàðÿ åìó (???) óòâåðäèëñÿ ôîðìàò êîìàíäíîé
ñòðîêè è íàáîð êîìàíä àðõèâàòîðà, ñòàâøèé ôàêòè÷åñêèì ñòàíäàðòîì èëè
îáðàçöîì äëÿ ïîäðàæàíèÿ äëÿ ïîñëåäîâàòåëåé, â òîì ÷èñëå ARJ è RAR.
Àðõèâû èìåþò ðàñøèðåíèå LZH.

HA (àâòîð Harri Hirvola, Ôèíëÿíäèÿ)

åòîðîïëèâûé, íî õîðîøî ñæèìàþùèé àðõèâàòîð, èçëþáëåííîå
ñðåäñòâî äëÿ óïàêîâêè òåêñòîâ â ýëåêòðîííûõ áèáëèîòåêàõ. Ðàçâèòèå
ïðåêðàòèëîñü ïðåäïîëîæèòåëüíî â 1993 (???) ãîäó. Àðõèâû èìåþò
ðàñøèðåíèå HA.
>=== Cut ===

Çàðàíåå ñïàñèáî.

        Ïîêà
                                                    Àíàòîëèé
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 * Origin: Ñûêòûâêàð, Ðåñïóáëèêà Êîìè (2:5003/7.2)


 RU.COMPRESS 
 From : Bulat Ziganshin                      2:5093/28.126  18 Jul 00 13:09:58
 To   : Vova Orlov                          
 Subj : exe pack                                                                     


* Originally in RU.COMPRESS
Hello Vova!

Tuesday July 18 2000, Vova Orlov writes to All:
 VO> À ïî÷åìó ïàêîâàíàÿ win32 ïðîãðàììà â ïàìÿòè ìåñòà áîëüøå çàíèìàåò,
 VO> ÷åì
 VO> íåïàêîâàííàÿ?

ïîòîìó, ÷òî õðàíÿòñÿ è èñõîäíûå, è ðàñïàêîâàííûå äàííûå (afaik)

Bulat, mailto:bulatz@fort.tatarstan.ru, ICQ 15872722

... Èíîãäà äëÿ òîãî, ÷òîáû èçìåíèòü ñâîå âîñïðèÿòèå ìèðà,
... ëþäè ïûòàþòñÿ èçìåíèòü ñàì ìèð
--- GoldED+/W32 1.1.2
 * Origin: À ÷åì çàíèìàåòñÿ õåðîìàíòèÿ? (2:5093/28.126)


 RU.COMPRESS 
 From : Denis Smirnov                        2:5020/1785.1  18 Jul 00 16:01:08
 To   : Bulat Ziganshin                     
 Subj : Ñæàòèå ïèñåì                                                                 


---- OS/2      Ïðèâåò Bulat!

Îòâåò íà ïèñüìî îò Bulat Ziganshin ê Denis Smirnov:

 BZ> íî åñëè òû õî÷åøü ñäåëàòü ïîáûñòðåå, òî ÿ òåáå íå ñîâåòóþ ýòèì çàíèìàòüñÿ.
 BZ> ýòî âñåãî íåñêîëüêî ïðîöåíòîâ è ïðè ýòîì íåîòðàáîòàííàÿ åùå òåõíîëîãèÿ.
 BZ> åñëè óæ åå èñïîëüçîâàòü, òî ïðîùå âçÿòü ïðåîáðàçîâàíèÿ îäíîãî ïîëÿêà
 BZ> (íàðîä, êàê åãî çîâóò?) - îíè äàþò âûèãðûø â òå æå íåñêîëüêî ïðîöåíòîâ è
 BZ> èñêëþ÷èòåëüíî ïðîñòû â ðåàëèçàöèè

    Ãäå âçÿòü îïèñàíèå?

 BZ>>> 2) ðàñøèðèòü åãî ñëîâàðü - ðàáîòû íà ïàðó íåäåëü. âñå ñîâðåìåííûå
 BZ>>> lzh'è òàê, ïîõîæå, è ñäåëàíû
 DS>>     Òû èìååøü â âèäó ðàáîòó ñî ñëîâàðåì áîëüøîãî îáúåìà?
 BZ> äà

    À çà÷åì ýòî íàäî íà òàêèõ ìàëåíüêèõ îáúåìàõ?

 BZ> åñëè õî÷åòñÿ äåøåâî è ñåðäèòî, òî ïðîñòî ñæèìàé â ppmd ïî 16 ìåññàã. è
 BZ> ïîïðîáóé ðàçîáðàòüñÿ, êàê â íåì îðãàíèçîâàòü ñîõðàíåíèå/÷òåíèå ñòàòèñòèêè
 BZ> - òîãäà òû ñìîæåøü åùå óëó÷øèòü ñæàòèå. âïðî÷åì, íå ôàêò, ÷òî íàìíîãî -
 BZ> ïðîâåðü.
 BZ> âîçìîæíî, âñå æå ëó÷øå âçÿòü bzip2. íà òåêñòàõ ñæàòèå ó íåãî íåíàìíîãî
 BZ> õóæå, äëÿ þíèêñîâ ýòî óæå ïî÷òè ñòàíäàðò, ðàñïàêîâêà ó íåãî áûñòðåå è
 BZ> ïàìÿòè êóøàåò ìåíüøå

    Ëîãè÷íî. À ìîæíî êàê-íèáóäü ýòè ìåññàãè ïåðåðàáîòàòü ïðåäâàðèòåëüíî, ÷òîáû 
óëó÷øèòü ñæàòèå?

Ñ óâàæåíèåì, Denis!
--- mailto:mithraen@mtu-net.ru ICQ:58417635
 * Origin: Windows:  From the people who brought you EDLIN! (2:5020/1785.1)


 RU.COMPRESS 
 From : Bulat Ziganshin                      2:5093/28.126  18 Jul 00 16:02:59
 To   : Anatoly Popov                       
 Subj : Èñòîðèÿ ñ ãåîãðàôèåé ;)                                                      


* Originally in RU.COMPRESS
Hello Anatoly!

Tuesday July 18 2000, Anatoly Popov writes to All:
 AP> Ïî ïîâîäó ñëåäóþùåãî îòðûâêà õîòåëîñü áû óñëûøàòü êðèòè÷åñêèé îòçûâ,
 AP> ïðàâèëüíî ëè ÿ ïîíÿë ïðè÷èíó "îáäåëåííîñòè" çèïîâ âñÿ÷åñêèìè ôè÷àìè
 AP> (ïî ñðàâíåíèþ ñ ARJ, íàïðèìåð):

ïðè÷èíà - â õàðàêòåðå ÿíãà. øèëî â çàäíèöå. pkzip èìåë âïîëíå ïðèëè÷íûé ïî ñâîè
ì âðåìåíàì íàáîð âîçìîæíîñòåé

 AP> LHA (àâòîð Haruyasu Yoshizaki, ßïîíèÿ (???))

òî÷íî

 AP> íî áëàãîäàðÿ åìó (???) óòâåðäèëñÿ ôîðìàò êîìàíäíîé ñòðîêè

lharc/lha áûëè çàìåòíûìè ôèãóðàìè, íî êðîìå íèõ ìíîãî êòî èñïîëüçîâàë òàêóþ æå 
êîì. ñòðîêó. òðóäíî ñóäèòü, èìõî.

Bulat, mailto:bulatz@fort.tatarstan.ru, ICQ 15872722

... Èíîãäà äëÿ òîãî, ÷òîáû èçìåíèòü ñâîå âîñïðèÿòèå ìèðà,
... ëþäè ïûòàþòñÿ èçìåíèòü ñàì ìèð
--- GoldED+/W32 1.1.2
 * Origin: À ÷åì çàíèìàåòñÿ õåðîìàíòèÿ? (2:5093/28.126)


 RU.COMPRESS 
 From : Bulat Ziganshin                      2:5093/28.126  18 Jul 00 19:15:58
 To   : Denis Smirnov                       
 Subj : Ñæàòèå ïèñåì                                                                 



*** Answering a msg posted in area CARBON_COPIES (CARBON_COPIES).

* Originally in RU.COMPRESS
Hello Denis!

Tuesday July 18 2000, Denis Smirnov writes to Bulat Ziganshin:
 BZ>> íî åñëè òû õî÷åøü ñäåëàòü ïîáûñòðåå, òî ÿ òåáå íå ñîâåòóþ ýòèì
 BZ>> çàíèìàòüñÿ. ýòî âñåãî íåñêîëüêî ïðîöåíòîâ è ïðè ýòîì
 BZ>> íåîòðàáîòàííàÿ åùå òåõíîëîãèÿ. åñëè óæ åå èñïîëüçîâàòü, òî ïðîùå
 BZ>> âçÿòü ïðåîáðàçîâàíèÿ îäíîãî ïîëÿêà (íàðîä, êàê åãî çîâóò?) - îíè
 BZ>> äàþò âûèãðûø â òå æå íåñêîëüêî ïðîöåíòîâ è èñêëþ÷èòåëüíî ïðîñòû â
 BZ>> ðåàëèçàöèè

 DS>     Ãäå âçÿòü îïèñàíèå?

ó íàðîäà. âàäèì þêèí, íàïðèìåð, äîëæåí áûë ñ íèì îáùàòüñÿ. szymon grabowski, ïð
èìåðíî

 BZ>>>> 2) ðàñøèðèòü åãî ñëîâàðü - ðàáîòû íà ïàðó íåäåëü. âñå
 BZ>>>> ñîâðåìåííûå lzh'è òàê, ïîõîæå, è ñäåëàíû
 DS>>>     Òû èìååøü â âèäó ðàáîòó ñî ñëîâàðåì áîëüøîãî îáúåìà?
 BZ>> äà
 DS>     À çà÷åì ýòî íàäî íà òàêèõ ìàëåíüêèõ îáúåìàõ?

íå íóæíî

 BZ>> åñëè õî÷åòñÿ äåøåâî è ñåðäèòî, òî ïðîñòî ñæèìàé â ppmd ïî 16
 BZ>> ìåññàã. è ïîïðîáóé ðàçîáðàòüñÿ, êàê â íåì îðãàíèçîâàòü
 BZ>> ñîõðàíåíèå/÷òåíèå ñòàòèñòèêè - òîãäà òû ñìîæåøü åùå óëó÷øèòü
 BZ>> ñæàòèå. âïðî÷åì, íå ôàêò, ÷òî íàìíîãî - ïðîâåðü. âîçìîæíî, âñå æå
 BZ>> ëó÷øå âçÿòü bzip2. íà òåêñòàõ ñæàòèå ó íåãî íåíàìíîãî õóæå, äëÿ
 BZ>> þíèêñîâ ýòî óæå ïî÷òè ñòàíäàðò, ðàñïàêîâêà ó íåãî áûñòðåå
 BZ>> è ïàìÿòè êóøàåò ìåíüøå

 DS>     Ëîãè÷íî. À ìîæíî êàê-íèáóäü ýòè ìåññàãè ïåðåðàáîòàòü
 DS> ïðåäâàðèòåëüíî, ÷òîáû óëó÷øèòü ñæàòèå?

òû èìååøü â âèäó ïðåäâ. ïðîõîä? ñìîòðè ïåðâûé àáçàö

Bulat, mailto:bulatz@fort.tatarstan.ru, ICQ 15872722

... Èíîãäà äëÿ òîãî, ÷òîáû èçìåíèòü ñâîå âîñïðèÿòèå ìèðà,
... ëþäè ïûòàþòñÿ èçìåíèòü ñàì ìèð
--- GoldED+/W32 1.1.2
 * Origin: À ÷åì çàíèìàåòñÿ õåðîìàíòèÿ? (2:5093/28.126)


 RU.COMPRESS 
 From : Andrew Aksyonoff                     2:5036/29.2    18 Jul 00 21:31:04
 To   : Alexey Zolotarev                    
 Subj : Óïàêîâêà ñèãíàëà â real-time                                                 


Hello Alexey!

17 Jul 00 00:44, Alexey Zolotarev wrote to Andrew Aksyonoff:
 AA>> Åñëè óïàêîâêà õîòÿ áû îäèí ðàçìåð óìåíüøàåò ðàçìåð è íå òåðÿåò
 AZ> íå ñîâñåì ïîíÿòíî ýòî pàç-+---  ^^^^^^ èëè äåéñòâèòåëüíî pàçìåp ?
"Ðàç", êîíå÷íî.

 AZ>  Âîïpîñ ìîæíî ? À åñëè pàçìåp óìåíüøàåòñÿ ... >>,
 ... >>> è âîññòàíàâëèâàþòñÿ ïîñëå äåêîäèpîâàíèÿ èñõîäíûå äàííûå...
Òî êòî-òî âðåò.

 AA>> Hó ÿ õðåíåþ ïðîñòî ñ òâîèõ îïðåäåëåíèé.
 AZ> Îïpåäåëåíèÿ òîëüêî ñêîâûâàþò èíòåëëåêò...õîòÿ íå ñêpîþ, çíàòü íóæíî...
À, åùå îäèí èíòóèòèâèñò íàïèñàë ñóïåðàðõèâàòîð...

- Andrew

... Into the mercy seat I climb, my head is shaved, my head is wired...
--- ged386-pl2.50-dos &
 * Origin: unknown. (2:5036/29.2)


 RU.COMPRESS 
 From : ZAB                                  2:5020/400     18 Jul 00 22:08:04
 To   : All                                 
 Subj : Òåñò                                                                         


From: "ZAB" <ZAnatolyB@Mail.ru>




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 RU.COMPRESS 
 From : ZAB                                  2:5020/400     18 Jul 00 22:11:35
 To   : All                                 
 Subj : ×åãî-òî ÿ íå âúåçæàþ!                                                        


From: "ZAB" <ZAnatolyB@Mail.ru>

Ïðè ïðî÷òåíèè BWT FAQ íàïîðîëñÿ íà: "Çà ñ÷åò óïpîùåíèÿ ïpîöåäópû ñîpòèpîâêè
óâåëè÷èâàåòñÿ ñêîpîñòü ñæàòèÿ ïî ñpàâíåíèþ ñ BWT, íî pàñæàòèå ñòàíîâèòñÿ
ìåäëåííåå èç-çà íåîáõîäèìîñòè îápàáîòêè îäèíàêîâûõ êîíòåêñòîâ"!
Ýòî ïðî ÷òî? Âåñü àëãîðèòì ðàñæàòèÿ ñòðîèòñÿ íà òîì, ÷òî 1 ñòîëáåö ìàòðèöû
áûë ñîðòèðîâàí, à íà òî áûëè ëè ñîðòèðîâàíû âñå îñòàëüíûå ñòîëáöû åìó
ãëóáîêî íà÷õàòü!? Ðàçâå íå òàê?


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 RU.COMPRESS 
 From : ZAB                                  2:5020/400     18 Jul 00 22:11:40
 To   : All                                 
 Subj : Â êàêóþ ñòîðîíó ïóñêàòü ÏÏÌ?                                                 


From: "ZAB" <ZAnatolyB@Mail.ru>

Ïðè ïðî÷òåíèè BWT FAQ íàïîðîëñÿ âîò íà ÷òî: "Åñëè ñîpòèpîâàòü â äpóãîì
ïîpÿäêå - íå ñëåâà íàïpàâî, à ñïpàâà íàëåâî, óõóäøàåòñÿ ñæàòèå òåêñòîâûõ
ôàéëîâ ...."!
Òàê ìîæåò ÏÏÌ íà òåêñòàõ áóäåò äàâàòü ëó÷øèå ðåçóëüòàòû ïðè ïðîõîäå èç êîíöà
â íà÷àëî?


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 RU.COMPRESS 
 From : Maxim Litvinov                       2:5020/400     18 Jul 00 23:06:26
 To   : Bulat Ziganshin                     
 Subj : Fileecho Annonce                                                             


From: "Maxim Litvinov" <limax@hot.ee>

Çäðàâñòâóé, "Bulat Ziganshin" <Bulat.Ziganshin@p126.f28.n5093.z2.fidonet.org>!
Òû ïèñàë(à):
> =============================================================================
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-
> ace20b1.exe      494,873 Archiver ACEv2.0b1 (DOS/Win32/OS2). Copyright by ACE
>                          Compression Software.
>                          îò 2:2490/3045 ÷åðåç 2:5049/36
> -----------------------------------------------------------------------------
-
> Total: 1 file(s) of 494,873 byte(s)
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Ñîððè, åñëè ÷àéíèêîâñêèé âîïðîñ, íî êàê åãî èç èíåòà íàäûáàòü?
Hà ftp.elf.stuba.sk åãî íåò.

--
Âñåãî õîðîøåãî.
Maxim <limax@hot.ee>


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 RU.COMPRESS 
 From : Maxim Litvinov                       2:5020/400     18 Jul 00 23:47:21
 To   : Dima Petukhov                       
 Subj : Re: Óïàêîâêà ñèãíàëà â real-time                                             


From: "Maxim Litvinov" <limax@hot.ee>

Çäðàâñòâóé, "Dima Petukhov" <Dima.Petukhov@p12.f1517.n5020.z2.fidonet.org>! Òû
ïèñàë(à):
> 1. À ìîæåò ìîæíî áûëî è ïîâåæëèâåé?
Îê, â ñëåäóþùèé ðàç áóäó. :-)
Ñîððè, åñëè îáèäåë êîãî (íèêîãî íå õîòåë), ïðîñòî ó ìåíÿ ìàíåðà ãîâîðèòü òàêàÿ
("Ñâèíüè ìû"). :-/

> 2. Îïpåäåëÿþñü â òåpìèíàõ - íåîáõîäèìî ÷òîáû óïàêîâêà íå óâåëè÷èâàëà pàçìåp (
â
> áèòàõ åñëè î÷åíü ípàâèòñÿ) ïpè ëþáîì âõîäíîì ñèãíàëå. Ïàêóþòñÿ îòñ÷åòû
  ^^^^^                      ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Òàêîå íåâîçìîæíî ïî îïðåäåëåíèþ. Òî÷íåå âðó, âîçìîæíî: ïðîñòî êîïèðîâàòü âõîä â
âûõîä (ìîæíî åãî çàêîäèðîâàòü), òîëüêî òóò è óïàêîâêè HÅ ÁÓÄÅÒ íèêîãäà :î)

> ôèêñèpîâàííîé áèòîâîé äëèíû, ïèøóòñÿ â ñëîâà äpóãîé áèòîâîé äëèíû (îïöèîíàëüí
î
> íà ýòàïå pàçpàáîòêè àëãîpèòìà). Äîáàâëåíèå ê _âñåì_ îòñ÷åòàì ëèøíèõ áèò íå
> âîëíóåò - íî â øòóêàõ êîë-âî âîçpàñòàòü íå äîëæíî íèêîãäà. È pàçóìååòñÿ â
îäíîì
Ñòðàííî, êîíå÷íî...
Òîëüêî îòêóäà òû èõ áðàòü ñîáèðàåøüñÿ?
Ïðåäñòàâü: íåóïàêîâàííûå äàííûå çàíèìàþò ñêàæåì 100 îò÷¸òîâ ïî 16 áèò = 200 Áàé
ò
= 1600 áèò
Ñêàæåì, ê ÊÀÆÄÎÌÓ îò÷¸òó ïðèáàâëÿåòñÿ 1 áèò. Òîãäà àáñîëþòíî íåïàêóþùèåñÿ äàííû
å
ñ äàííîé "óïàêîâêîé" çàéìóò 100*17=1700 áèò
Åñëè â îáîèõ ñëó÷àÿõ (è ñ óïàêîâêîé è áåç) èñïîëüçóåòñÿ îäíà è òà æå ïàìÿòü, òî
äàííûå áåç óïàêîâêè çàíèìàþò îäíîçíà÷íî ìåíüøå, ò.å. ïðîèñõîäèò óâåëè÷åíèå
ðàçìåðà äàííûõ.
Äðóãîå äåëî, åñëè íåóïàêîâàííûå äàííûå HÈÊÎÃÄÀ íå èñïîëüçóþò îäèí áèò â ÊÀÆÄÎÌ
îò÷¸òå (íàïðèìåð ñàìûé ñòàðøèé áèò).
Âîò òîãäà ýòîò óïàêîâî÷íûé overhead ñïîêîéíî òàì ðàçìåùàåòñÿ.

> âûõîäíîì ñëîâå äîëæíî áûòü íå áîëåå îäíîãî îòñ÷åòà (÷òîá íå âîçíèêàëî
> ïpåäëîæåíèé çàïèñàòü ïî 100 îòñ÷åòîâ â äëèííóþ ñòpîêó áèò :).
Ñëåäóÿ òâîåé ëîãèêå, òî êàê ðàç åñëè çàïèñàòü 200 áàéò (ïî 8 áèò) âî 100 ñëîâ
(ïî 16 áèò), òî ïðîèçîéä¸ò äâóõêðàòíîå óìåíüøåíèå ðàçìåðà äàííûõ. Ðàçìåð ñëîâà
âåäü ñòðîãî îãðàíè÷åííûé? Ñòðîãî - ðîâíî 16 áèò, è íèêîãäà íå âîçðàñòàåò. :-)

> Òåïåpü áîëåå ïîíÿòíî?

Êîðî÷å, ÿ ïîíÿë, ÷òî òû õîòåë ñêàçàòü, íî íåëüçÿ ÝÒÎ íàçûâàòü HÅÓÂÅËÈ×ÅHÈÅÌ
ðàçìåðà äàííûõ.
Hó äà ëàäíî. Ýòî óæå íå ìî¸ äåëî.

--
Âñåãî õîðîøåãî.
Maxim <limax@hot.ee>


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 To   : All                                 
 Subj : Re: Óïàêîâêà ñèãíàëà â    real-time                                          


Dima Petukhov wrote:
> 
>  VV> Ïåðâàÿ ñòóïåíü ñæàòèÿ: ËÏÊ-ïðåäñêàçàòåëü íåâûñîêîãî ïîðÿäêà (IMHO,
>  VV> 2..3 áóäåò äîñòàòî÷íî). Ïðè÷åì ñàìè êîýôôèöèåíòû ËÏÊ ìîæíî âû÷èñëÿòü
>  VV> ïî ïðåäûäóùèì çíà÷åíèÿì ñèãíàëà, à íå ïåðåäàâàòü â êàíàëå. Âòîðàÿ
>  VV> ñòóïåíü ñæàòèÿ - Õàôôìàí ñ ôèêñèðîâàííûì äåðåâîì, ðàññ÷èòàííûì íà
>  VV> Ãàóññîâñêóþ ñòàòèñòèêó.
> 
> Îé, à ìîæíî ïî-ïîäpîáíåé ïpî ïpåäñêàçàòåëü è ÷òî ýòî çà ñòàòèñòèêà? 

Äåëüòà-ìîäóëÿöèÿ (êîäèðîâàíèå ðàçíîñòè) - ýòî ïðåäñêàçàòåëü ïåðâîãî
ïîðÿäêà, ò.å. äëÿ ïðåäñêàçàíèÿ ñëåäóþùåãî èñïîëüçóåòñÿ îäèí ïðåäûäóùèé
îòñ÷åò. Ìîæíî ñòðîèòü ïðåäñêàçàòåëè N-íîãî ïîðÿäêà, ò.å. èñïîëüçîâàòü N
ïðåäûäóùèõ îòñ÷åòîâ äëÿ ïðåäñêàçàíèÿ. Hàïðèìåð, ïðåäñêàçàòåëü ïåðâîãî
ïîðÿäêà èäåàëüíî ïðåäñêàçûâàåò êîíñòàíòó, âòîðîãî ïîðÿäêà - ýêñïîíåíòû è
ñèíóñîèäû, áîëåå âûñîêèå ïîðÿäêè - áîëåå ñëîæíûå ñòàöèîíàðíûå ïðîöåññû.
Âû÷èñëåíèå êîýôôèöèåíòîâ ïðåäñêàçàíèÿ - äîñòàòî÷íî ñëîæíàÿ çàäà÷à,
êîòîðàÿ íå ëÿæåò â ïàëêó. Ïåðåäàâàòü íàäî òîëüêî òåêóùóþ îøèáêó
ïðåäñêàçàíèÿ. Ïðè äîñòàòî÷íî âûñîêîì ïîðÿäêå îøèáêà ïðåäñêàçàíèÿ
ÿâëÿåòñÿ [ïî÷òè] Ãàóññîâñêèì ñëó÷àéíûì ïðîöåññîì ñ ðàñïðåäåëåíèåì òèïà
exp(-x*x)

 
> Åñòü åùå èäåÿ pàçáèòü îòñ÷åò íà äâà (òpè) ïîëÿ (ñòàpøèå, ìëàäøèå áèòû) è
> ïàêîâàòü èõ îòäåëüíî. Ñòàpøèå óïàêóþòñÿ ïpèëè÷íî (íà íèõ øóì âëèÿåò íàìíîãî
> ñëàáåå). À ìëàäøèå íåïëîõî çàêîäèpóþòñÿ ìàëîáèòíîé äåëüòîé. Êàê èäåÿ?

Hàâåðíîå, ëó÷øå ïåðåä ýòèì ðàçäåëèòü ñèãíàë íà çíàê è àìïëèòóäó.

VLV
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 To   : Vova Orlov                          
 Subj : exe pack                                                                     


Çäðàñüòå, Vova!

18 Jul 00 08:37, Vova Orlov wrote to All:

 VO> À ïî÷åìó ïàêîâàíàÿ win32 ïðîãðàììà â ïàìÿòè ìåñòà áîëüøå çàíèìàåò, ÷åì
 VO> íåïàêîâàííàÿ?

  Âèäèìî èç-çà ðåñóðñîâ.

  Èëè ñóùåñòâóåò êàêîé-íèáóäü ðåàëüíûé ñïîñîá íå ðàñïàêîâûâàòü èõ âñå â ïàìÿòü 
íà ñòàðòå?

  À èç-ïîä ïàêîâàííûõ äàííûõ ïàìÿòü, êàê ïðàâèëî, îñâîáîæäàåòñÿ.

                                                Âñÿêîãî Âàì!  Basil.

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 Subj : Re: Ñæàòèå ïèñåì                                                             


Reply-To: hemul@mos.ru
Cc: Self <hemul@mos.ru>

Ñàëÿì!

Maxime Zakharov ïèøåò:

> http://sochi.net.ru/~maxime/compression.shtml
> http://www.compression-pointers.com
> http://www.hn.is.uec.ac.jp/~arimura/compression_links.html
> http://algo.4u.ru/ - Ðàçäåë "Êîìïðåññèÿ".

http://www.shomonopoly.com:8101/arctest
-- 
              Best regards! Sincerely yours, Õåìóëü Ñîâåòèêóñ.
     Óòîìë¸ííûé ÷àåì ëþáèòåëü ñëàäêîãî, â äåâè÷åñòâå Áèëüáî Ëåíèâ÷àòûé.
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 From : Vadim Yoockin                        2:5020/400     19 Jul 00 01:35:33
 To   : Michail Svarichevsky                
 Subj : Re: Ace 2.0b1 Re: Fileecho Annonce                                           


Hello, Michail Svarichevsky ! You wrote:

> VY> À âîò è påçóëüòàòû íîâîãî Ace íà òåñòîâûõ äàííûõ.
> VY> Âñêîpå, íàâåpíîå, áóäó ïóáëèêîâàòü íîâûé âûïóñê CCT.
> VY> Òàê ÷òî, åñëè åñòü çàèíòåpåñîâàííûå êîìïpåññîpîïèñàòåëè... ;)
>À êóäà(Êîìó) èõ(àpõèâàòîpû) ñäàâàòü?

Ïðèñûëàé ìíå, òîëüêî íå âñå ñðàçó ;)

>PS. Ïpîñòî èíòåpåñóþñü :-)

Hó, âîò...

Âñåãî äîáðîãî,
Âàäèì.
yoockinv@mtu-net.ru
vy@thermosyn.com



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 From : ZAB                                  2:5020/400     19 Jul 00 01:47:44
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 Subj : ×åãî-òî ÿ íå âúåçæàþ!                                                        


Ïðè ïðî÷òåíèè BWT FAQ íàïîðîëñÿ íà: "Çà ñ÷åò óïpîùåíèÿ ïpîöåäópû ñîpòèpîâêè
óâåëè÷èâàåòñÿ ñêîpîñòü ñæàòèÿ ïî ñpàâíåíèþ ñ BWT, íî pàñæàòèå ñòàíîâèòñÿ
ìåäëåííåå èç-çà íåîáõîäèìîñòè îápàáîòêè îäèíàêîâûõ êîíòåêñòîâ"!
Ýòî ïðî ÷òî? Âåñü àëãîðèòì ðàñæàòèÿ ñòðîèòñÿ íà òîì, ÷òî 1 ñòîëáåö ìàòðèöû
áûë ñîðòèðîâàí, à íà òî áûëè ëè ñîðòèðîâàíû âñå îñòàëüíûå ñòîëáöû åìó
ãëóáîêî íà÷õàòü!? Ðàçâå íå òàê?


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 Subj : Â êàêóþ ñòîðîíó ïóñêàòü ÏÏÌ?                                                 


Ïðè ïðî÷òåíèè BWT FAQ íàïîðîëñÿ âîò íà ÷òî: "Åñëè ñîpòèpîâàòü â äpóãîì
ïîpÿäêå - íå ñëåâà íàïpàâî, à ñïpàâà íàëåâî, óõóäøàåòñÿ ñæàòèå òåêñòîâûõ
ôàéëîâ ...."!
Òàê ìîæåò ÏÏÌ íà òåêñòàõ áóäåò äàâàòü ëó÷øèå ðåçóëüòàòû ïðè ïðîõîäå èç êîíöà
â íà÷àëî?




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 From : Maxim Litvinov                       2:5020/400     19 Jul 00 02:17:27
 To   : Bulat Ziganshin                     
 Subj : Re: ace2                                                                     


Ïðèâåòñòâóþ, "Bulat Ziganshin" <Bulat.Ziganshin@p126.f28.n5093.z2.fidonet.org>!
Âû ñîîáùèëè:
>         c2[-]     -  v2.0 compression techniques
>                   toggles use of all ACE v2.0 compression techniques
>                   (delta, exe, pic, sound)
>                   attention: v2.0 archives can not be extracted by ACE v1.x
> === Cut ===
>
> ìîãó ïðåäïîëîæèòü, ÷òî ýòî òàáëè÷êè, e8, 24-bit mm, 8-bit mm ñîîòâåòñòâåííî.
> ïðîâåðÿòü ëåíü

À ìîæíî äëÿ íåçíàþùèõ ïîïîäðîáíåå?
e8 - ýòî ÷òî?
mm - êàê ÿ ïîíèìàþ ïðîñòî äîáàâëåí ïðåäâàðèòåëüíûé ôèëüòð, âû÷èñëÿþùèé ðàçíèöû
îòñ÷¸òîâ. Òàê?

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 Subj : Sorry :(                                                                     


Ïðîøó ïðîùåíèÿ çà "ïèñüìà íå â òåìó", ïîñûëàë ïèñüìà äàâíî (äíÿ 3-4 òîìó), íî ó
ãåéòà ñâîè ïðîáëåìû, âîò è ëåçóò ïèñüìà ñ íåïðàâèëüíûì äàòàìè îòïðàâêè.

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... fido7 - ýòî ãåéò ïëþñ ôèäîëóêèçàöèÿ âñåé ñòðàíû. (KSV)

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 From : Vadim Yoockin                        2:5020/400     19 Jul 00 09:13:13
 To   : ZAB                                 
 Subj : Re: Â êàêóþ ñòîðîíó ïóñêàòü ÏÏÌ?                                             


Hello ZAB!

>Ïðè ïðî÷òåíèè BWT FAQ íàïîðîëñÿ âîò íà ÷òî: "Åñëè ñîpòèpîâàòü â äpóãîì
>ïîpÿäêå - íå ñëåâà íàïpàâî, à ñïpàâà íàëåâî, óõóäøàåòñÿ ñæàòèå òåêñòîâûõ
>ôàéëîâ ...."!
>Òàê ìîæåò ÏÏÌ íà òåêñòàõ áóäåò äàâàòü ëó÷øèå ðåçóëüòàòû ïðè ïðîõîäå èç
êîíöà
>â íà÷àëî?


Hàâåðíîå, è áóäåò. Hî íå ñòîëü çàìåòíî, êàê äëÿ BWT.

Âñåãî äîáðîãî,
Âàäèì.


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 From : Vadim Yoockin                        2:5020/400     19 Jul 00 09:13:15
 To   : All                                 
 Subj : Re: ×åãî-òî ÿ íå âúåçæàþ!                                                    


Hello, ZAB ! You wrote:

>Ïðè ïðî÷òåíèè BWT FAQ íàïîðîëñÿ íà: "Çà ñ÷åò óïpîùåíèÿ ïpîöåäópû ñîpòèpîâêè
>óâåëè÷èâàåòñÿ ñêîpîñòü ñæàòèÿ ïî ñpàâíåíèþ ñ BWT, íî pàñæàòèå ñòàíîâèòñÿ
>ìåäëåííåå èç-çà íåîáõîäèìîñòè îápàáîòêè îäèíàêîâûõ êîíòåêñòîâ"!
>Ýòî ïðî ÷òî?

Ýòà ôðàçà îòíîñèòñÿ ê ST.

>Âåñü àëãîðèòì ðàñæàòèÿ ñòðîèòñÿ íà òîì, ÷òî 1 ñòîëáåö ìàòðèöû
>áûë ñîðòèðîâàí, à íà òî áûëè ëè ñîðòèðîâàíû âñå îñòàëüíûå ñòîëáöû åìó
>ãëóáîêî íà÷õàòü!? Ðàçâå íå òàê?

Êîíå÷íî, íå òàê. Ìåæäó ïðî÷èì, ïðåæäå ÷åì ñïðàøèâàòü, ìîã áû
è ñàì ïîïðîáîâàòü íà íåáîëüøîì êóñêå äàííûõ. Ýòî íå ñòîëü òðóäíî.

Âîçüìåì ñòðîêó 'aabaab' . Åñëè ñîðòèðîâàòü òîëüêî ïåðâûé ñòîëáåö,
â êà÷åñòâå âûõîäà ìîæåì ïîëó÷èòü ëþáóþ èç ñòðîê:
'bbaaaa', 'babaaa', 'baabaa', 'abbaaa', 'ababaa', 'aabbaa'.
Äëÿ BWT ýòî áóäåò ïåðâàÿ èç ïåðå÷èñëåííûõ, äëÿ ST(1) - âòîðàÿ.
Åñëè áû òâîå óòâåðæäåíèå áûëî áû âåðíûì, áûëî áû
îäíîçíà÷íîå ñîîòâåòñòâèå âõîäíûõ è âûõîäíûõ âàðèàíòîâ.
Ñëåäîâàòåëüíî, óòâåðæäåíèå ëîæíîå.


Âñåãî äîáðîãî,
Âàäèì.


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 From : Vadim Yoockin                        2:5020/400     19 Jul 00 09:13:17
 To   : Bulat Ziganshin                     
 Subj : Re: Ñæàòèå ïèñåì                                                             



Hello, Bulat Ziganshin ! You wrote:

> BZ>> íî åñëè òû õî÷åøü ñäåëàòü ïîáûñòðåå, òî ÿ òåáå íå ñîâåòóþ ýòèì
> BZ>> çàíèìàòüñÿ. ýòî âñåãî íåñêîëüêî ïðîöåíòîâ è ïðè ýòîì
> BZ>> íåîòðàáîòàííàÿ åùå òåõíîëîãèÿ. åñëè óæ åå èñïîëüçîâàòü, òî ïðîùå
> BZ>> âçÿòü ïðåîáðàçîâàíèÿ îäíîãî ïîëÿêà (íàðîä, êàê åãî çîâóò?) - îíè
> BZ>> äàþò âûèãðûø â òå æå íåñêîëüêî ïðîöåíòîâ è èñêëþ÷èòåëüíî ïðîñòû â
> BZ>> ðåàëèçàöèè
>
> DS>     Ãäå âçÿòü îïèñàíèå?
>
>ó íàðîäà. âàäèì þêèí, íàïðèìåð, äîëæåí áûë ñ íèì îáùàòüñÿ. szymon
grabowski,
>ïðèìåðíî

Àãà, òàê åãî è çîâóò. Êñòàòè, äóìàþ, îí ýõó òîæå ïåðèîäè÷åñêè ÷èòàåò.
Áëàãî, ÿçûêè ïîõîæè.

À èäåÿ, ïðèìåíèìàÿ ê ñàáæó, ñëåäóþùàÿ - çàìåíèòü íåêîòîðûå ÷àñòî
âñòðå÷àåìûå ñî÷åòàíèÿ ñèìâîëîâ (â äàííîì ñëó÷àå ýòî ìîãóò áûòü
ôðàãìåíòû çàãîëîâêîâ, íàïðèìåð) íà ñèìâîëû, íèãäå íå èñïîëüçóåìûå
â òåêñòå. Èëè íå èñïîëüçóåìûå ñ òàêèìè æå êîíòåêñòàìè.
×òî óäîáíî, äåëàåòñÿ íà îòäåëüíîì ïðîõîäå è æìåòñÿ äàëåå
ëþáûì ìåòîäîì/àðõèâàòîðîì.
Ñî÷åòàíèÿ ñèìâîëîâ Szymon ïðåäïîëàãàåò çàøèâàòü â àëãîðèòì.
Ýòî îñâîáîæäàåò îò íåîáõîäèìîñòè õðàíèòü èõ â àðõèâå.

Âñåãî äîáðîãî,
Âàäèì.


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 RU.COMPRESS 
 From : Sergey Borodachev                    2:5048/7.6     19 Jul 00 12:27:00
 To   : Pavel Kohan                         
 Subj : Ïàðîëè RAR, ZIP                                                              


Hello, Pavel

 17 Jul 00 16:40, Pavel Kohan wrote to All:

 PK> Êóïèë äèñêè ñ êîìïîíåíòàìè äëÿ Delphi, BR, è äð, íî îíè (âîò áëèí!) â
 PK> çàïàðîëåííûõ àðõèâàõ RAR è ZIP  :-(( Hå ïîäñêàæåò ëè êòî-íèáóäü
 PK> âîçìîæíûå ìåòîäû âçëîìà òàêèõ àðõèâîâ?
áðóòýôîðñ ;-)

With respect, Sergey.

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 RU.COMPRESS 
 From : Anatoly Popov                        2:5003/7.2     19 Jul 00 14:51:00
 To   : Bulat Ziganshin                     
 Subj : Èñòîðèÿ ñ ãåîãðàôèåé ;)                                                      


Ïðèâåò, Bulat!

Âòp Èþë 18 2000, Bulat Ziganshin ïèøåò ê Anatoly Popov:

 AP>> îòçûâ, ïðàâèëüíî ëè ÿ ïîíÿë ïðè÷èíó "îáäåëåííîñòè" çèïîâ
 AP>> âñÿ÷åñêèìè ôè÷àìè (ïî ñðàâíåíèþ ñ ARJ, íàïðèìåð):
 BZ> ïðè÷èíà - â õàðàêòåðå ÿíãà. øèëî â çàäíèöå. pkzip èìåë âïîëíå
 BZ> ïðèëè÷íûé ïî ñâîèì âðåìåíàì íàáîð âîçìîæíîñòåé

Âî-ïåðâûõ, ðàáîòó ñ ìíîãîòîìíûìè àðõèâàìè íèêàê íåëüçÿ ñ÷èòàòü ÷åì-òî ýêçîòè÷åñ
êèì, à PKZIP/PKUNZIP ñ íèìè äî ñèõ ïîð íå äðóæèò. Åäèíñòâåííóþ ïðè÷èíó ýòîãî ÿ 
âèæó â áîÿçíè íåñîâìåñòèìîñòè ñ çèïàìè íà áîëåå äðóãèõ ïëàòôîðìàõ. Ïîäòâåðæäåíè
å ýòîé ìûñëè ÿ è íàäåÿëñÿ óñëûøàòü.

Âî-âòîðûõ, óæ íå çíàþ, â êàêîì ìåñòå ó ßíãà øèëî ;))), íî ïðè âñåì îáèëèè ôè÷ ê
îå-÷åãî ñòðàííûì îáðàçîì íåäîñòàåò. Hàïðèìåð, ÿ áûë áû íå ïðîòèâ îïöèè, ñîðòèðó
þùåé ôàéëû íåïîñðåäñòâåííî ïðè àðõèâèðîâàíèè. Èëè ÿ ñëåïîé? Êðîìå òîãî, ó íåãî 
åñòü àññîðòèìåíò îïöèé äëÿ ðàáîòû ñî ñòàðûìè/ìîëîäûìè ôàéëàìè, íî òàì íåò îáðàá
îòêè ôàéëîâ, ñîçäàííûõ áîëåå N äíåé íàçàä. Ìåíåå - åñòü, áîëåå - íåò :(((

        Ïîêà
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 From : ZAB                                  2:5020/400     19 Jul 00 17:52:47
 To   : All                                 
 Subj : Re: ×åãî-òî ÿ íå âúåçæàþ!                                                    


From: "ZAB" <ZAnatolyB@Mail.ru>

Vadim Yoockin <vy@thermosyn.com> ñîîáùèë â íîâîñòÿõ
ñëåäóþùåå:8l3gso$1fls$2@news.kiev.sovam.com...
> Hello, ZAB ! You wrote:
>
> >Ïðè ïðî÷òåíèè BWT FAQ íàïîðîëñÿ íà: "Çà ñ÷åò óïpîùåíèÿ ïpîöåäópû
ñîpòèpîâêè
> >óâåëè÷èâàåòñÿ ñêîpîñòü ñæàòèÿ ïî ñpàâíåíèþ ñ BWT, íî pàñæàòèå ñòàíîâèòñÿ
> >ìåäëåííåå èç-çà íåîáõîäèìîñòè îápàáîòêè îäèíàêîâûõ êîíòåêñòîâ"!
> >Ýòî ïðî ÷òî?
>
> Ýòà ôðàçà îòíîñèòñÿ ê ST.
>
> >Âåñü àëãîðèòì ðàñæàòèÿ ñòðîèòñÿ íà òîì, ÷òî 1 ñòîëáåö ìàòðèöû
> >áûë ñîðòèðîâàí, à íà òî áûëè ëè ñîðòèðîâàíû âñå îñòàëüíûå ñòîëáöû åìó
> >ãëóáîêî íà÷õàòü!? Ðàçâå íå òàê?
>
> Êîíå÷íî, íå òàê. Ìåæäó ïðî÷èì, ïðåæäå ÷åì ñïðàøèâàòü, ìîã áû
> è ñàì ïîïðîáîâàòü íà íåáîëüøîì êóñêå äàííûõ. Ýòî íå ñòîëü òðóäíî.
>
> Âîçüìåì ñòðîêó 'aabaab' . Åñëè ñîðòèðîâàòü òîëüêî ïåðâûé ñòîëáåö,
> â êà÷åñòâå âûõîäà ìîæåì ïîëó÷èòü ëþáóþ èç ñòðîê:
> 'bbaaaa', 'babaaa', 'baabaa', 'abbaaa', 'ababaa', 'aabbaa'.
> Äëÿ BWT ýòî áóäåò ïåðâàÿ èç ïåðå÷èñëåííûõ, äëÿ ST(1) - âòîðàÿ.
> Åñëè áû òâîå óòâåðæäåíèå áûëî áû âåðíûì, áûëî áû
> îäíîçíà÷íîå ñîîòâåòñòâèå âõîäíûõ è âûõîäíûõ âàðèàíòîâ.
> Ñëåäîâàòåëüíî, óòâåðæäåíèå ëîæíîå.

Hî ÿ âñ¸ æå íå ïîíèìàþ â ÷¸ì ïðîáëåìà (ãäå çàäåðæêà?), â ST(1)! Êñòàòè ãäå
ìîæíî íàéòè îïèñàíèå ðàáîòû ST ñ áîëüøèìè ãëóáèíàìè ñîðòèðîâêè? Ñàì Øèíäëåð
ñêàçàë, ÷òî äëÿ 2 íóæíî ÷òî òî åù¸ ñäàëàòü ñ äàííûìè, íî ÷òî? Ïîíÿòü ïî
èñõîäíèêàì ÿ íå ñìîã, à èñõîäíèêîâ äëÿ 4 è âûøå âîîáùå íå íàø¸ë!


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 From : Vadim Yoockin                        2:5020/400     19 Jul 00 18:17:06
 To   : ZAB                                 
 Subj : Re: ×åãî-òî ÿ íå âúåçæàþ!                                                    


From: "Vadim Yoockin" <vy@thermosyn.com>

Hello, ZAB ! You wrote:

>> >Ïðè ïðî÷òåíèè BWT FAQ íàïîðîëñÿ íà: "Çà ñ÷åò óïpîùåíèÿ ïpîöåäópû
>ñîpòèpîâêè
>> >óâåëè÷èâàåòñÿ ñêîpîñòü ñæàòèÿ ïî ñpàâíåíèþ ñ BWT, íî pàñæàòèå ñòàíîâèòñÿ
>> >ìåäëåííåå èç-çà íåîáõîäèìîñòè îápàáîòêè îäèíàêîâûõ êîíòåêñòîâ"!
>> >Ýòî ïðî ÷òî?

>Hî ÿ âñ¸ æå íå ïîíèìàþ â ÷¸ì ïðîáëåìà (ãäå çàäåðæêà?), â ST(1)!

À-à... âîò òû ïðî ÷òî... Èìåííî â st(1), êîíå÷íî, íåòó.
 st(6), ê ïðèìåðó, äà íà áîëüøîì òåêñòå - åñòü.

>Êñòàòè ãäå ìîæíî íàéòè îïèñàíèå ðàáîòû ST ñ áîëüøèìè ãëóáèíàìè ñîðòèðîâêè?

www.compressconsult.com , ãäå æ åùå.
Hî, ìåæäó íàìè, ÷òî íåïîíÿòíîãî â ñîðòèðîâêå ñòðîê ïî ïåðâûì
N ñèìâîëàì, ïðè óñëîâèè, ÷òî ñòðîêè ñ îäèíàêîâûìè çíà÷åíèÿìè
êëþ÷à ðàçìåùàþòñÿ â ïîðÿäêå ïîñòóïëåíèÿ? ;)

>Ñàì Øèíäëåð
>ñêàçàë, ÷òî äëÿ 2 íóæíî ÷òî òî åù¸ ñäàëàòü ñ äàííûìè, íî ÷òî? Ïîíÿòü ïî
>èñõîäíèêàì ÿ íå ñìîã, à èñõîäíèêîâ äëÿ 4 è âûøå âîîáùå íå íàø¸ë!

Hàäî ïîñòàðàòüñÿ è ïîíÿòü ;) ×òî êàñàåòñÿ, èñõîäíèêîâ st(4+), îíè, âðîäå
êàê, íå ðàçäàþòñÿ. Hî òàì è îñîáî ñëîæíîãî íåòó.

Âñåãî äîáðîãî,
Âàäèì.


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 From : Dmitry Shkarin                       2:5020/400     19 Jul 00 18:45:48
 To   : All                                 
 Subj : Re: ×òî-òî ñòpàííîå ñ ïîpÿäêîì ìîäåëè â PPM                                  


From: "Dmitry Shkarin" <dmitry.shkarin@mtu-net.ru>

                         Hi, Andrew!
>* Hà ìàëåíüêèõ ôàéëàõ (<100K) â PPM ëó÷øå èñïîëüçîâàòü êîíòåêñòíûå ìîäåëè
>áîëüøèõ ïîpÿäêîâ (íàïpèìåp, 10). À âîò íà áîëüøèõ ôàéëàõ (>500K) ëó÷øèé
>påçóëüòàò äàþò êîíòåêñòíûå ìîäåëè ìåíüøèõ ïîpÿäêîâ (íàïpèìåp, 5-6).
>
>Âîïpîñ: Ïî÷åìó òàê? Ýòî òîëüêî â ìîåì PPM, èëè âî âñåõ?
>
>* ß äóìàþ, ïpîáëåìà ñâÿçàíà ñ ïåpåïîëíåíèåì äåpåâà êîíòåêñòîâ. Ïpè
ïåpåïîëíåíèè
>îíî ó ìåíÿ îápåçàåòñÿ, ïpè÷åì îápåçàþòñÿ ñàìûå äëèííûå âåòâè. Òàê âîò, ïpè
>èñïîëüçîâàíèè êîíòåêñòíûõ ìîäåëåé áîëüøèõ ïîpÿäêîâ äåpåâî áûñòpî
ïåpåïîëíÿåòñÿ,
>çàáèâàåòñÿ påäêî èñïîëüçóåìûìè (íèêîãäà áîëüøå íå èñïîëüçóåìûìè)
êîíòåêñòàìè.
>Ïîñêîëüêó äåpåâî ÷èñòèòñÿ ïpè ïåpåõîäå ê ñëåäóþùåìó ôàéëó, òî íà ìàëåíüêèõ
>ôàéëàõ ýòîò ýôôåêò íå âîçíèêàåò.  îòëè÷èå îò.
    Òû îáðåçàë íîäû ñîäåðæàùèå ñàìóþ àêòóàëüíóþ èíôîðìàöèþ, òàê ÷òî - ÷åãî
òóò óäèâëÿòüñÿ? Hà ñàìîì äåëå íàîáîðîò - ÷åì áîëüøå ôàéë, òåì âûãîäíåå
èñïîëüçîâàòü ìîäåëè âûñîêîãî ïîðÿäêà.

>Âîïpîñ: ×òî äåëàòü? Èëè åñòü äpóãèå ñîîápàæåíèÿ íàñ÷åò ýòîãî ýôôåêòà?
    Ñäåëàòü LRU-î÷åðåäü êîíòåêñòîâ.


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From: "Dmitry Shkarin" <dmitry.shkarin@mtu-net.ru>

                         Hi, ZAB!
>Ïðè ïðî÷òåíèè BWT FAQ íàïîðîëñÿ âîò íà ÷òî: "Åñëè ñîpòèpîâàòü â äpóãîì
>ïîpÿäêå - íå ñëåâà íàïpàâî, à ñïpàâà íàëåâî, óõóäøàåòñÿ ñæàòèå òåêñòîâûõ
>ôàéëîâ ...."!
>Òàê ìîæåò ÏÏÌ íà òåêñòàõ áóäåò äàâàòü ëó÷øèå ðåçóëüòàòû ïðè ïðîõîäå èç
êîíöà
>â íà÷àëî?
    Ñ òî÷íîñòüþ äî 0.1% îøèáêè - áåç ðàçíèöû, ðàçíèöà áóäåò òîëüêî íà
ìíîãîáàéòíûõ ÷èñëîâûõ äàííûõ (å8 òðþê).

    ÇÛ À ñîîáùåíèÿ äóáëèðóåøü - ÷òîáû òðàôôèê ïîäíÿòü? ;-)


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From: "ZAB" <ZAnatolyB@Mail.ru>

Vadim Yoockin <vy@thermosyn.com> ñîîáùèë â íîâîñòÿõ
ñëåäóþùåå:8l4d89$1ifn$1@news.kiev.sovam.com...
> Hello, ZAB ! You wrote:
>
> >> >Ïðè ïðî÷òåíèè BWT FAQ íàïîðîëñÿ íà: "Çà ñ÷åò óïpîùåíèÿ ïpîöåäópû
> >ñîpòèpîâêè
> >> >óâåëè÷èâàåòñÿ ñêîpîñòü ñæàòèÿ ïî ñpàâíåíèþ ñ BWT, íî pàñæàòèå
ñòàíîâèòñÿ
> >> >ìåäëåííåå èç-çà íåîáõîäèìîñòè îápàáîòêè îäèíàêîâûõ êîíòåêñòîâ"!
> >> >Ýòî ïðî ÷òî?
>
> >Hî ÿ âñ¸ æå íå ïîíèìàþ â ÷¸ì ïðîáëåìà (ãäå çàäåðæêà?), â ST(1)!
>
> À-à... âîò òû ïðî ÷òî... Èìåííî â st(1), êîíå÷íî, íåòó.
> Â st(6), ê ïðèìåðó, äà íà áîëüøîì òåêñòå - åñòü.
>
> >Êñòàòè ãäå ìîæíî íàéòè îïèñàíèå ðàáîòû ST ñ áîëüøèìè ãëóáèíàìè
ñîðòèðîâêè?
>
> www.compressconsult.com , ãäå æ åùå.
> Hî, ìåæäó íàìè, ÷òî íåïîíÿòíîãî â ñîðòèðîâêå ñòðîê ïî ïåðâûì
> N ñèìâîëàì, ïðè óñëîâèè, ÷òî ñòðîêè ñ îäèíàêîâûìè çíà÷åíèÿìè
> êëþ÷à ðàçìåùàþòñÿ â ïîðÿäêå ïîñòóïëåíèÿ? ;)

Âîò ÿ òîëüêî íå ïîíèìàþ êàêèå êîëîíöè ìàòðèöû èñïîëüçóþòñÿ (ïåðâàÿ è
êàêàÿ?)! Ò.å. â ST(1) èñïîëüçóåòñÿ 2, à â ST(2+) êàêóþ èñïîëüçîâàòü? È êàê
ïîòîì âîññòàíàâëèâàòü?

> >Ñàì Øèíäëåð
> >ñêàçàë, ÷òî äëÿ 2 íóæíî ÷òî òî åù¸ ñäàëàòü ñ äàííûìè, íî ÷òî? Ïîíÿòü ïî
> >èñõîäíèêàì ÿ íå ñìîã, à èñõîäíèêîâ äëÿ 4 è âûøå âîîáùå íå íàø¸ë!
>
> Hàäî ïîñòàðàòüñÿ è ïîíÿòü ;) ×òî êàñàåòñÿ, èñõîäíèêîâ st(4+), îíè, âðîäå
> êàê, íå ðàçäàþòñÿ. Hî òàì è îñîáî ñëîæíîãî íåòó.

Ñì. âûøå.


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Hello Vova!

 VO> À ïî÷åìó ïàêîâàíàÿ win32 ïðîãðàììà â ïàìÿòè ìåñòà áîëüøå çàíèìàåò, ÷åì
 VO> íåïàêîâàííàÿ?

   Ñ îáû÷íîé ïðîãðàììîé ìåíåäæåð ïàìÿòè ìîæåò à) íå ÷èòàòü íóæíûé êóñîê
êîäà ñ äèñêà, ïîêà èñïîëíåíèå íå äîéäåò äî ýòîãî ìåñòà; á) ïðè íåõâàòêå
ïàìÿòè íå çàñîâûâàòü ñòðàíèöó â ñâîï, à ïðîñòî âûêèíóòü -- åå
ñîäåðæèìîå íåèçìåííî è âñåãäà ì.á. ïåðå÷èòàíî èç èñõîäíîãî ôàéëà; â)
äëÿ íåñêîëüêèõ êîïèé çàïóùåííîé ïðîãðàììû èëè DLL èñïîëüçîâàòü îäèí è
òîò æå êóñîê ôèçè÷åñêîé ïàìÿòè äëÿ õðàíåíèé êîäà -- ñîäåðæèìîå æå
îäèíàêîâîå. Âñå ýòî ýêîíîìèò ôèçè÷åñêóþ ïàìÿòü è âðåìÿ.

   Ïàêîâàííàÿ ïðîãðàììà äîëæíà ðàñïàêîâàòüñÿ öåëèêîì -- ìåíåäæåð ïàìÿòè
äîëæåí âûäåëèòü ôèçè÷åñêîé ïàìÿòè ïîä _ïîëíûé_ îáúåì ïðîãðàììû;
ñòðàíèöû, êóäà ðàñïàêîâàëîñü, óæå íå ìîãóò áûòü ïðîñòî òàê âûêèíóòû èç
ïàìÿòè -- â íèõ æå _ïèñàëîñü_, ìåíåäæåð òåïåðü îáÿçàí ñëèâàòü èõ ñâîï.
Ïóíêò (â) âîîáùå îòïàäàåò -- ðàç â ñòðàíèöû ïèñàëîñü, áóäåì äåðæàòü
ñâîþ êîïèþ äëÿ êàæäîãî ýêçåìïëÿðà ïðîãðàììû/DLL.

   Ïîýòîìó ïàêîâàòü áîëüøèå ïàêåòû òèïà îôèñà èëè ñèñòåìíûå DLL --
ñàìîóáèéñòâî. Òðåáîâàíèÿ ê ôèçè÷åñêîé ïàìÿòè âîçðàñòàþò â íåñêîëüêî ðàç.

   Ýòèõ îãðàíè÷åíèé íåò, íàñêîëüêî ÿ çíàþ, òîëüêî â OS/2, ãäå
ðàñïàêîâêà ñòðàíèö âñòðîåíà â ñàìî ÿäðî, â ìåíåäæåð ïàìÿòè.

Roman

--- Blue Wave/OS2 v2.30
 * Origin: Peak Power BBS (2:5022/2)


 RU.COMPRESS 
 From : Bulat Ziganshin                      2:5093/28.126  20 Jul 00 07:55:31
 To   : Serg Tikhomirov                     
 Subj : FAQServer start (manual mode ;)                                              



*** Answering a msg posted in area CARBON_COPIES (CARBON_COPIES).

* Originally in RU.COMPRESS
Hello Serg!

Sunday July 16 2000, Serg Tikhomirov writes to Bulat Ziganshin:
 ST>> ïåpèîäè÷åñêîì ïîìåùåíèè â ýõó îòâåòîâ íà ÷àñòî çàäàâàåìûå
 ST>> âîïpîñû.

 BZ>> åñëè òû ñäåëàåøü åùå è êëàññè÷åñêèé ôàê-ñåpâåp è åãî çåpêàëî â
 BZ>> èíåòå - áóäåò åùå êpó÷å

 ST>    Hó, íå âñ¸ ñpàçó ;). Ñ èíåòîì, êñòàòè, ïpîùå. Hå ïîýòîìó ëè òàì
 ST> ýõîòàæíóþ èíôîpìàöèþ íàéòè ïpîùå, ÷åì â ÔÈÄÎ? Äà, íàñ÷¸ò òåìàòèêè
 ST> íèêàêèõ ïpåäëîæåíèé è çàìå÷àíèé ó òåáÿ íåò?

ÿ äóìàþ, ãëàâíîå - ññûëêè. ïëþñ äàéäæåñò èíòåðåñíûõ ñòàòåé èç ýõè. ñ îðèåíòàöèå
é íà íîâè÷êîâ, ïîñêîëüêó ñïåöû óæ êàê-íèáóäü ïîðîþòñÿ, ïîñïðàøèâàþò è íàéäóò èí
ôó â òîì æå èíåòå èëè ïî ïåðåïèñêå. à íîâè÷êîâ ìíîãî è íà èõ ïðîñòåíüêèå âîïðîñ
û
íèêîìó îòâå÷àòü íåîõîòà. è èì íóæíà èíôà â ëåãêî óñâàèâàåìîì âèäå

Bulat, mailto:bulatz@fort.tatarstan.ru, ICQ 15872722

... Èíîãäà äëÿ òîãî, ÷òîáû èçìåíèòü ñâîå âîñïðèÿòèå ìèðà,
... ëþäè ïûòàþòñÿ èçìåíèòü ñàì ìèð
--- GoldED+/W32 1.1.2
 * Origin: À ÷åì çàíèìàåòñÿ õåðîìàíòèÿ? (2:5093/28.126)


 RU.COMPRESS 
 From : Bulat Ziganshin                      2:5093/28.126  20 Jul 00 08:29:03
 To   : Anatoly Popov                       
 Subj : Èñòîðèÿ ñ ãåîãðàôèåé ;)                                                      



*** Answering a msg posted in area CARBON_COPIES (CARBON_COPIES).

* Originally in RU.COMPRESS
Hello Anatoly!

Wednesday July 19 2000, Anatoly Popov writes to Bulat Ziganshin:
 AP> Âî-ïåðâûõ, ðàáîòó ñ ìíîãîòîìíûìè àðõèâàìè íèêàê íåëüçÿ ñ÷èòàòü ÷åì-òî
 AP> ýêçîòè÷åñêèì, à PKZIP/PKUNZIP ñ íèìè äî ñèõ ïîð íå äðóæèò.

pk ñäåëàë ìíîãîòîìíîñòü îäíèì èç ïåðâûõ. îíà îêàçàëàñü äîâîëüíî äóðàöêîé, íî íå
 ïåðåäåëûâàòü æå. äîáàâü ê ýòîìó åãî íå ñëèøêîì áîëüøóþ àêòèâíîñòü ïîñëå âûõîäà
 2.04 - ÿ äóìàþ, îí óæå òîãäà íà÷àë ïèòü

 AP> Åäèíñòâåííóþ ïðè÷èíó ýòîãî ÿ âèæó â áîÿçíè íåñîâìåñòèìîñòè ñ çèïàìè
 AP> íà áîëåå äðóãèõ ïëàòôîðìàõ. Ïîäòâåðæäåíèå ýòîé ìûñëè ÿ è íàäåÿëñÿ
 AP> óñëûøàòü.

äóìàþ, åìó íà ýòî áûëî ñòî ðàç íàïëåâàòü

 AP> Âî-âòîðûõ, óæ íå çíàþ, â êàêîì ìåñòå ó ßíãà øèëî ;))), íî ïðè âñåì
 AP> îáèëèè ôè÷ êîå-÷åãî ñòðàííûì îáðàçîì íåäîñòàåò. Hàïðèìåð, ÿ áûë áû íå
 AP> ïðîòèâ îïöèè, ñîðòèðóþùåé ôàéëû íåïîñðåäñòâåííî ïðè àðõèâèðîâàíèè. Èëè
 AP> ÿ ñëåïîé? Êðîìå òîãî, ó íåãî åñòü àññîðòèìåíò îïöèé äëÿ ðàáîòû ñî
 AP> ñòàðûìè/ìîëîäûìè ôàéëàìè, íî òàì íåò îáðàáîòêè ôàéëîâ, ñîçäàííûõ áîëåå
 AP> N äíåé íàçàä. Ìåíåå - åñòü, áîëåå - íåò :(((

â arjz åñòü :)

îí äåëàë ÷òî ïðîñèëè. êó÷à ñîâåðøåííî ôàíòàñòè÷åñêèõ îïöèé íà ñëó÷àé "åñëè âû ï
îïàäåòå íà ìàðñ â îáùåñòâå êðàñèâîé áëîíäèíêè è ïîëèöåéñêîãî"

Bulat, mailto:bulatz@fort.tatarstan.ru, ICQ 15872722

... Èíîãäà äëÿ òîãî, ÷òîáû èçìåíèòü ñâîå âîñïðèÿòèå ìèðà,
... ëþäè ïûòàþòñÿ èçìåíèòü ñàì ìèð
--- GoldED+/W32 1.1.2
 * Origin: À ÷åì çàíèìàåòñÿ õåðîìàíòèÿ? (2:5093/28.126)


 RU.COMPRESS 
 From : Serguey Zefirov                      2:5020/313.9   20 Jul 00 08:54:44
 To   : Sergey Borodachev                   
 Subj : Ïàðîëè RAR, ZIP                                                              


Zdorovenki bulji,(Hi! in other words) Sergey!

 PK>> Êóïèë äèñêè ñ êîìïîíåíòàìè äëÿ Delphi, BR, è äð, íî îíè (âîò
 PK>> áëèí!) â çàïàðîëåííûõ àðõèâàõ RAR è ZIP  :-(( Hå ïîäñêàæåò ëè
 PK>> êòî-íèáóäü âîçìîæíûå ìåòîäû âçëîìà òàêèõ àðõèâîâ?
 SB> áðóòýôîðñ ;-)

Äëÿ ZIP åñòü ìåòîä äëÿ èçâåñòíîãî íåçàøèôðîâàíîãî òåêñòà (íå íåçàïàêîâàííîãî, à
 èìåííî çàïàêîâàííîãî è íåçàøèôðîâàíîãî;).


buy!      [D.U.L.S.-E.N.I.] /
sz                            [I.S.A.]

... Â ãîäó 3.155*10^7 ñåêóíä, òå, ÏÈ ñåêóíä pàâíÿåòñÿ îäíîìó íàíîâåêó.
--- Web Exploiter 2.50
 * Origin: -=¨ The Gate To The Only Reality ¨=- (2:5020/313.9)


 RU.COMPRESS 
 From : Bulat Ziganshin                      2:5093/28.126  20 Jul 00 09:55:32
 To   : Zab                                 
 Subj : ×åãî-òî ÿ íå âúåçæàþ!                                                        


* Originally in RU.COMPRESS
Hello ZAB!

Tuesday July 18 2000, ZAB writes to All:
 Z> Ïðè ïðî÷òåíèè BWT FAQ íàïîðîëñÿ íà: "Çà ñ÷åò óïpîùåíèÿ ïpîöåäópû
 Z> ñîpòèpîâêè óâåëè÷èâàåòñÿ ñêîpîñòü ñæàòèÿ ïî ñpàâíåíèþ ñ BWT, íî
 Z> pàñæàòèå ñòàíîâèòñÿ ìåäëåííåå èç-çà íåîáõîäèìîñòè îápàáîòêè îäèíàêîâûõ
 Z> êîíòåêñòîâ"! Ýòî ïðî ÷òî? Âåñü àëãîðèòì ðàñæàòèÿ ñòðîèòñÿ íà òîì, ÷òî
 Z> 1 ñòîëáåö ìàòðèöû áûë ñîðòèðîâàí, à íà òî áûëè ëè ñîðòèðîâàíû âñå
 Z> îñòàëüíûå ñòîëáöû åìó ãëóáîêî íà÷õàòü!? Ðàçâå íå òàê?

àëîãðèòì ðàñæàòèÿ bwt ñòðîèòñÿ íà òîì, ÷òî ñòðîêè áûëè îòñîðòèðîâàíû ïî ñâîåé ï
îëíîé äëèíå (âñåì ñòîëáöàì). àëãîðèòì st ñòðîèòñÿ íà ñîðòèðîâêå ïî ôèêñèðîâàííî
ìó êîë-âó ñòîëáöîâ + ïîçèöèè

Bulat, mailto:bulatz@fort.tatarstan.ru, ICQ 15872722

... Èíîãäà äëÿ òîãî, ÷òîáû èçìåíèòü ñâîå âîñïðèÿòèå ìèðà,
... ëþäè ïûòàþòñÿ èçìåíèòü ñàì ìèð
--- GoldED+/W32 1.1.2
 * Origin: À ÷åì çàíèìàåòñÿ õåðîìàíòèÿ? (2:5093/28.126)


 RU.COMPRESS 
 From : Bulat Ziganshin                      2:5093/28.126  20 Jul 00 09:57:17
 To   : Zab                                 
 Subj : Â êàêóþ ñòîðîíó ïóñêàòü ÏÏÌ?                                                 


* Originally in RU.COMPRESS
Hello ZAB!

Tuesday July 18 2000, ZAB writes to All:
 Z> òåêñòîâûõ ôàéëîâ ...."! Òàê ìîæåò ÏÏÌ íà òåêñòàõ áóäåò äàâàòü ëó÷øèå
 Z> ðåçóëüòàòû ïðè ïðîõîäå èç êîíöà â íà÷àëî?

ïðîãðàììèòü óìååøü? âîò è ïðîâåðü. ñëîæíîñòü â òîì, ÷òî ó ppm íå áëîêîâûé õàðàê
òåð

Bulat, mailto:bulatz@fort.tatarstan.ru, ICQ 15872722

... Èíîãäà äëÿ òîãî, ÷òîáû èçìåíèòü ñâîå âîñïðèÿòèå ìèðà,
... ëþäè ïûòàþòñÿ èçìåíèòü ñàì ìèð
--- GoldED+/W32 1.1.2
 * Origin: À ÷åì çàíèìàåòñÿ õåðîìàíòèÿ? (2:5093/28.126)


 RU.COMPRESS 
 From : Vadim Yoockin                        2:5020/1042.50 20 Jul 00 23:42:36
 To   : Zab                                 
 Subj : Re: Â êàêóþ ñòîðîíó ïóñêàòü ÏÏÌ?                                             


Ïpèâåòñòâóþ, Zab!

20 Jul 00, Bulat Ziganshin ïèñàë ê Zab:

 Z>> òåêñòîâûõ ôàéëîâ ...."! Òàê ìîæåò ÏÏÌ íà òåêñòàõ áóäåò äàâàòü ëó÷øèå
 Z>> ðåçóëüòàòû ïðè ïðîõîäå èç êîíöà â íà÷àëî?

 BZ> ïðîãðàììèòü óìååøü? âîò è ïðîâåðü. ñëîæíîñòü â òîì, ÷òî ó ppm íå áëîêîâûé
 BZ> õàðàêòåð

Èëè ïðîñòî ïåðåâåðíè ôàéë çàäîì íàïåðåä è ñîæìè PPM'îì...

  Âñåãî äîáðîãî. Vadim Yoockin

... A Smith and Wesson beats four aces.
--- Ñòàpûé Äåä ñòîèìîñòüþ 3.00.Alpha4 äîïëàòà â ÑÊÂ UNREG
 * Origin: yoockinv@mtu-net.ru,yoockinv@mail.ru,ICQ:44536013 (2:5020/1042.50)


 RU.COMPRESS 
 From : Bulat Ziganshin                      2:5093/27.61   21 Jul 00 14:34:29
 To   : Maxim Litvinov                      
 Subj : ace2                                                                         



*** Answering a msg posted in area CARBON_COPIES (CARBON_COPIES).

* Originally in RU.COMPRESS
Hello Maxim!

Wednesday July 19 2000, Maxim Litvinov writes to Bulat Ziganshin:
 ML> e8 - ýòî ÷òî?

íàéäè cabarc sdk è ïîñìîòðè åãî äîêó. cab-sdk.exe

 ML> mm - êàê ÿ ïîíèìàþ ïðîñòî äîáàâëåí ïðåäâàðèòåëüíûé ôèëüòð,
 ML> âû÷èñëÿþùèé ðàçíèöû îòñ÷¸òîâ. Òàê?

àãà. òîëüêî ÷òî âñå ýòî åñòü â ace - ëèøü ìîè ïðåäïîëîæåíèÿ

Bulat, mailto:bulatz@fort.tatarstan.ru, ICQ 15872722

--- GoldED+/W32 1.1.2
 * Origin: Windows 2000: ìû äîáàâèëè 1905 íîâûõ ãëþêîâ! (2:5093/27.61)


 RU.COMPRESS 
 From : Sergey Borodachev                    2:5048/7.6     21 Jul 00 23:52:00
 To   : Serguey Zefirov                     
 Subj : Ïàðîëè RAR, ZIP                                                              



*** Reply from MY.MAIL (MY.MAIL).

Hello, Serguey

 20 Jul 00 08:54, Serguey Zefirov wrote to Sergey Borodachev:

 PK>>> Êóïèë äèñêè ñ êîìïîíåíòàìè äëÿ Delphi, BR, è äð, íî îíè (âîò
 PK>>> áëèí!) â çàïàðîëåííûõ àðõèâàõ RAR è ZIP  :-(( Hå ïîäñêàæåò ëè
 PK>>> êòî-íèáóäü âîçìîæíûå ìåòîäû âçëîìà òàêèõ àðõèâîâ?
 SB>> áðóòýôîðñ ;-)

 SZ> Äëÿ ZIP åñòü ìåòîä äëÿ èçâåñòíîãî íåçàøèôðîâàíîãî òåêñòà (íå
 SZ> íåçàïàêîâàííîãî, à èìåííî çàïàêîâàííîãî è íåçàøèôðîâàíîãî;).
Êîðî÷å îí ðàáîòàåò òîëüêî åñëè åñòü ôàéë èç àðõèâà â íåçàïàêîâàííîì âèäå. ;-)

With respect, Sergey.

--- GoldED+/386 1.1.3.2
 * Origin:  (2:5048/7.6)


 RU.COMPRESS 
 From : Andrew Belov                         2:5020/181.2   22 Jul 00 00:28:28
 To   : Anatoly Popov                       
 Subj : Èñòîðèÿ ñ ãåîãðàôèåé ;)                                                      


Hello Anatoly!

19 Jul 00 14:51, Anatoly Popov wrote to Bulat Ziganshin:

 AP> Âî-âòîðûõ, óæ íå çíàþ, â êàêîì ìåñòå ó ßíãà øèëî ;))), íî ïðè âñåì
 AP> îáèëèè ôè÷ êîå-÷åãî ñòðàííûì îáðàçîì íåäîñòàåò. Hàïðèìåð, ÿ áûë áû íå
 AP> ïðîòèâ îïöèè, ñîðòèðóþùåé ôàéëû íåïîñðåäñòâåííî ïðè àðõèâèðîâàíèè. Èëè
 AP> ÿ ñëåïîé?

Ó àâòîpà ìíîãî ýíåpãèè yøëî íà pàçpàáîòêy àëãîpèòìîâ êåøèpîâàíèÿ/õåøèpîâàíèÿ ôà
éë-ëèñòîâ, íà ñîpòèpîâêy òàì yæå ñèë íå îñòàëîñü.

 AP>  Êðîìå òîãî, ó íåãî åñòü àññîðòèìåíò îïöèé äëÿ ðàáîòû ñî
 AP> ñòàðûìè/ìîëîäûìè ôàéëàìè, íî òàì íåò îáðàáîòêè ôàéëîâ, ñîçäàííûõ
 AP> áîëåå N äíåé íàçàä. Ìåíåå - åñòü, áîëåå - íåò :(((

À ýòî åñòü: -odb<N>.

                                        Sincerely yours - Andrew

---
 * Origin: ARJ Software Russia (2:5020/181.2)


 RU.COMPRESS 
 From : Bulat Ziganshin                      2:5093/28.126  22 Jul 00 07:26:18
 To   : Andrew Belov                        
 Subj : Èñòîðèÿ ñ ãåîãðàôèåé ;)                                                      


* Originally in RU.COMPRESS
Hello Andrew!

Saturday July 22 2000, Andrew Belov writes to Anatoly Popov:
 AB> Ó àâòîpà ìíîãî ýíåpãèè yøëî íà pàçpàáîòêy àëãîpèòìîâ
 AB> êåøèpîâàíèÿ/õåøèpîâàíèÿ ôàéë-ëèñòîâ,

à çà÷åì îíè òàì õåøèðóþòñÿ? äëÿ áûñòðîãî ïîèñêà?

Bulat, mailto:bulatz@fort.tatarstan.ru, ICQ 15872722

... Èíîãäà äëÿ òîãî, ÷òîáû èçìåíèòü ñâîå âîñïðèÿòèå ìèðà,
... ëþäè ïûòàþòñÿ èçìåíèòü ñàì ìèð
--- GoldED+/W32 1.1.2
 * Origin: À ÷åì çàíèìàåòñÿ õåðîìàíòèÿ? (2:5093/28.126)


 RU.COMPRESS 
 From : Andrew Belov                         2:5020/181.2   23 Jul 00 00:51:07
 To   : Bulat Ziganshin                     
 Subj : Èñòîðèÿ ñ ãåîãðàôèåé ;)                                                      


Hello Bulat!

22 Jul 00 07:26, Bulat Ziganshin wrote to Andrew Belov:

 AB>> Ó àâòîpà ìíîãî ýíåpãèè yøëî íà pàçpàáîòêy àëãîpèòìîâ
 AB>> êåøèpîâàíèÿ/õåøèpîâàíèÿ ôàéë-ëèñòîâ,

 BZ> à çà÷åì îíè òàì õåøèðóþòñÿ? äëÿ áûñòðîãî ïîèñêà?

Äëÿ ïîèñêà, à òî÷íåå, äëÿ áîpüáû ñ äyïàìè â ôàéë-ëèñòàõ.

                                        Sincerely yours - Andrew

---
 * Origin: Conea Software Mail system - Moscow, Russia (2:5020/181.2)


 RU.COMPRESS 
 From : Serg Tikhomirov                      2:5020/122.166 24 Jul 00 01:22:56
 To   : Maxim Litvinov                      
 Subj : Fileecho Annonce                                                             


Çäpàâñòâyé, Maxim!

23:06 of 18 Jul Maxim Litvinov wrote in a message to Bulat Ziganshin:

> ace20b1.exe      494,873 Archiver ACEv2.0b1 (DOS/Win32/OS2).

 ML> Ñîppè, åñëè ÷àéíèêîâñêèé âîïpîñ, íî êàê åãî èç èíåòà íàäûáàòü? Hà
 ML> ftp.elf.stuba.sk åãî íåò.

   www.winace.com


Âñåãî íàèëó÷øåãî!
                  Jee

--- 
 * Origin: Åñëè êòî-òî êîå-ãäå ó íàñ ïîpîé - òàê åìó è íàäî! (2:5020/122.166)


 RU.COMPRESS 
 From : Helgy Green                          2:5020/400     24 Jul 00 02:22:26
 To   : All                                 
 Subj : Re: Óïàêîâêà ñèãíàëà â real-time                                             


From: "Helgy Green" <helgy@mf.stu.ru>

Ðåáÿòà, à ÷òî çà îñöèëîãðàô òàêîé?
16 áèò ðåàëüíî ïîëó÷èòü ïðîñòî íåëüçÿ. Ìàêñèìóì 14 áèò. Øóìû ìåøàþò. Â
èíñòèòóòå ìåòðîëîãèè íàä ýòèì äîëãî òðóäèëèñü. Âñÿêàÿ ðåêëàìà, ãäå ãîâîðèòñÿ
áîëüøå, ëæåò. Â ñîóíä-áëàñòåðå 12 áèò.
4 áèòà âñåãäà íóëè. Âîò èõ ìîæíî èñïîëüçîâàòü. Åùå ìîæíî ñäåëàòü
äåëüòà-êîäèðîâàíèå. Ðàçíèöó ìåæäó òåêóùèì è ïðåäûäóùèì îòñ÷åòàìè. 8 áèò
õâàòèò. Hî òàì åñòü íåïðèÿòíîñòü - âîçìîæåí ñáîé è ñìåùåíèå âñåõ îòñ÷åòîâ.
Hàäî ïåðåîäè÷åñêè óñòàíàâëèâàòü íîëü (íàïðèìåð, âî âðåìÿ ïåðåõîäà ÷åðåç
íîëü). Ìîæíî ïðèìåíèòü ëîãàðèôìè÷åñêîå êîäèðîâàíèå äëÿ ëóòøåé ïåðåäà÷è
ïèêîâ. Hàïðèìåð, 2 áèòà - ïîðÿäîê, 6 áèò - çíà÷åíèå.

 òåõíèêå ñâÿçè âñå ýòî èñïîëüçóåòñÿ.

Îëåã



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From: "Vadim Yoockin" <vy@thermosyn.com>

Hello, ZAB ! You wrote:

>> www.compressconsult.com , ãäå æ åùå.
>> Hî, ìåæäó íàìè, ÷òî íåïîíÿòíîãî â ñîðòèðîâêå ñòðîê ïî ïåðâûì
>> N ñèìâîëàì, ïðè óñëîâèè, ÷òî ñòðîêè ñ îäèíàêîâûìè çíà÷åíèÿìè
>> êëþ÷à ðàçìåùàþòñÿ â ïîðÿäêå ïîñòóïëåíèÿ? ;)
>
>Âîò ÿ òîëüêî íå ïîíèìàþ êàêèå êîëîíöè ìàòðèöû èñïîëüçóþòñÿ (ïåðâàÿ è
>êàêàÿ?)! Ò.å. â ST(1) èñïîëüçóåòñÿ 2, à â ST(2+) êàêóþ èñïîëüçîâàòü? È êàê
>ïîòîì âîññòàíàâëèâàòü?


 ST(2) - òðåòüþ, â ST(3) - ÷åòâåðòóþ è .ò.ä.
Ïîñêîëüêó, òàêèì îáðàçîì, êàê ñïðàâåäëèâî çàìåòèë
Áóëàò, â ñîðòèðîâêå ïîìèìî N ñèìâîëîâ ó÷àñòâóåò
åùå è íîìåð ïîçèöèè èñõîäíîé ñòðîêè â áëîêå äàííûõ,
îäíîçíà÷íîñòü ïðåîáðàçîâàíèÿ ñîõðàíÿåòñÿ.

×òî êàñàåòñÿ âîññòàíîâëåíèÿ, ïîñëå ïîëó÷åíèÿ ïåðâûõ
N îòñîðòèðîâàííûõ ñòîëáöîâ îñòàåòñÿ òîëüêî
óïîðÿäî÷èòü ìåæäó ñîáîé îäèíàêîâûå êîíòåêñòû.
Ïîëüçóÿñü çíàíèåì ïîðÿäêà ñëåäîâàíèÿ â èñõîäíîì áëîêå.
Ýòî æå âñå îïèñàíî ó Øèíäëåðà... ëàäíî, áóäåò âðåìÿ,
âñòàâëþ â BWT FAQ...

Âñåãî äîáðîãî,
Âàäèì.


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 Subj : ×òî ïîñîâåòóåòå?                                                             


From: "ZAB" <ZAnatolyB@Mail.ru>

ß ïîíèìàþ, ÷òî äàííûé âîïðîñ òðåáóåò áîëüøîãî ïî îáú¸ìó îòâåòà, íî íå
ñî÷òèòå çà íàãëîñòü!

Êàê ïðîäåëàòü ïðîãðàìíî ñäåëàòü îáðàòíîå ïðåîáðàçîâàíèå ST(4)?
Êàê ïîëó÷èòü îòñîðòèðîâàííûé ìàññèâ êîíòåêñòîâ ÿ ïîíèìàþ, íî êàê ïîòîì, çíàÿ
èíäåêñ ïåðâîãî, ïðîèçâåñòè îáðàòíîå ïðåîáðàçîâàíèå, ÿ ïðåäñòàâëÿþ ñ òðóäîì,
íó íå óæ òî ïðèä¸òñÿ ñäâèãàòü êîíòåêñò - äîáàâëÿòü ñèìâîë - èñêàòü
ïîëó÷èâøèéñÿ êîíòåêñò - è ò. ä. äà åù¸ ïðè ýòîì ñëåäèòü çà ïîâòîðíûì
èñïîëüçîâàíèåì êîíòåêñòà! Ýòî æ íà âåêà!


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From: "Andre N Belokon" <algo@softlab.od.ua>
Reply-To: "Andre N Belokon" <algo@softlab.od.ua>

Vladimir Vassilevsky <vlv@fullnet.net> ñîîáùèë â íîâîñòÿõ
ñëåäóþùåå:3972F93E.7E0D43C2@fullnet.net...
> Hàïðèìåð, ïðåäñêàçàòåëü ïåðâîãî
> ïîðÿäêà èäåàëüíî ïðåäñêàçûâàåò êîíñòàíòó, âòîðîãî ïîðÿäêà - ýêñïîíåíòû è
> ñèíóñîèäû, áîëåå âûñîêèå ïîðÿäêè - áîëåå ñëîæíûå ñòàöèîíàðíûå ïðîöåññû.
> Âû÷èñëåíèå êîýôôèöèåíòîâ ïðåäñêàçàíèÿ - äîñòàòî÷íî ñëîæíàÿ çàäà÷à,
> êîòîðàÿ íå ëÿæåò â ïàëêó. Ïåðåäàâàòü íàäî òîëüêî òåêóùóþ îøèáêó
> ïðåäñêàçàíèÿ. Ïðè äîñòàòî÷íî âûñîêîì ïîðÿäêå îøèáêà ïðåäñêàçàíèÿ
> ÿâëÿåòñÿ [ïî÷òè] Ãàóññîâñêèì ñëó÷àéíûì ïðîöåññîì ñ ðàñïðåäåëåíèåì òèïà
> exp(-x*x)

ñêàæó ïàðó ñëîâ êàñàòåëüíî LPC. âîçèëñÿ ÿ ñ íèì ïðèìåíèòåëüíî ê âîïðîñó
lossless êîìïðåññèè àóäèî-ñèãíàëîâ. ðàáîòà âåëàñü ñ íåñêîëüêèìè ìóçûêàëüíûìè
CD-òðåêàìè. äèñêðåòèçàöèÿ 44100 16 áèò. ñèãíàë ðàçáèâàëñÿ íà ôðåéìû è äëÿ
êàæäîãî ôðåéìà âû÷èñëÿëèñü êîýôôèöèåíòû LPC. è âîò ÷òî èíòåðåñíî - LPC
âûñîêèõ ïîðÿäêîâ (10-12) ïîêàçûâàþò õóäøèé ðåçóëüòàò ïî ñðàâíåíèþ ñ áîëåå
íèçêèìè ïîðÿäêàìè (3-5). ïîä õóäøèì ðåçóëüòàòîì ïîäðàçóìåâàåòñÿ áîëüøàÿ
äèñïåðñèÿ îøèáêè ïðåäñêàçàíèÿ.

"îáñêàêàë" âñåõ äðóãîé àëãîðèòì (íà âñÿêèé ñëó÷àé ñòàâèì (ñ) :)) àäàïòèâíîãî
LPC. ñóòü ñëåäóþùàÿ. åñòü íåáîëüøîå îêíî. íà îñíîâàíèè îòñ÷åòîâ ýòîãî îêíà
âû÷èñëÿåì LPC íåâûñîêîãî ïîðÿäêà. ïðåäñêàçûâàåì ñëåä. îòñ÷åò. ñäâèãàåì îêíî
íà îäèí îòñ÷åò è äîáàâëÿåì òîëüêî ÷òî çàêîäèðîâàííûé îòñ÷åò â îêíî. + è -
òàêîãî àëãîðèòìà: +êîýôôèöèåíòû LPC íèêîãäà íå ïåðåäàþòñÿ â ÿâíîì âèäå.
+ïîâûøåííàÿ àäàïòèâíîñòü êî âõîäíîìó ñèãíàëó. -ìåíüøåå áûñòðîäåéñòâèå.

áóäåò èíòåðåñíî óçíàòü ìíåíèå îáùåñòâåííîñòè - èçîáðåòåí âåëîñèïåä èëè
âå÷íûé äâèãàòåëü ? :))

PS åñëè êòî-òî ðàáîòàåò íàä âîïðîñàìè lossless êîïðåññèè àóäèîñèãíàëîâ è
ñòàòè÷åñêèõ èçîáðàæåíèé - áóäåò èíòåðåñíî ïîîáùàòüñÿ

--
WBR Andre N Belokon
http://softlab.od.ua
http://algo.4u.ru



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From: "ZAB" <ZAnatolyB@Mail.ru>

Roman Trunov <Roman.Trunov@f2.n5022.z2.fidonet.org> ñîîáùèë â íîâîñòÿõ
ñëåäóþùåå:964064892@f2.n5022.z2.ftn...
> Hello Vova!
>
>  VO> À ïî÷åìó ïàêîâàíàÿ win32 ïðîãðàììà â ïàìÿòè ìåñòà áîëüøå çàíèìàåò,
÷åì
>  VO> íåïàêîâàííàÿ?
>
>    Ñ îáû÷íîé ïðîãðàììîé ìåíåäæåð ïàìÿòè ìîæåò à) íå ÷èòàòü íóæíûé êóñîê
> êîäà ñ äèñêà, ïîêà èñïîëíåíèå íå äîéäåò äî ýòîãî ìåñòà; á) ïðè íåõâàòêå
> ïàìÿòè íå çàñîâûâàòü ñòðàíèöó â ñâîï, à ïðîñòî âûêèíóòü -- åå
> ñîäåðæèìîå íåèçìåííî è âñåãäà ì.á. ïåðå÷èòàíî èç èñõîäíîãî ôàéëà; â)
> äëÿ íåñêîëüêèõ êîïèé çàïóùåííîé ïðîãðàììû èëè DLL èñïîëüçîâàòü îäèí è
> òîò æå êóñîê ôèçè÷åñêîé ïàìÿòè äëÿ õðàíåíèé êîäà -- ñîäåðæèìîå æå
> îäèíàêîâîå. Âñå ýòî ýêîíîìèò ôèçè÷åñêóþ ïàìÿòü è âðåìÿ.
>
>    Ïàêîâàííàÿ ïðîãðàììà äîëæíà ðàñïàêîâàòüñÿ öåëèêîì -- ìåíåäæåð ïàìÿòè
> äîëæåí âûäåëèòü ôèçè÷åñêîé ïàìÿòè ïîä _ïîëíûé_ îáúåì ïðîãðàììû;
> ñòðàíèöû, êóäà ðàñïàêîâàëîñü, óæå íå ìîãóò áûòü ïðîñòî òàê âûêèíóòû èç
> ïàìÿòè -- â íèõ æå _ïèñàëîñü_, ìåíåäæåð òåïåðü îáÿçàí ñëèâàòü èõ ñâîï.
> Ïóíêò (â) âîîáùå îòïàäàåò -- ðàç â ñòðàíèöû ïèñàëîñü, áóäåì äåðæàòü
> ñâîþ êîïèþ äëÿ êàæäîãî ýêçåìïëÿðà ïðîãðàììû/DLL.
>
>    Ïîýòîìó ïàêîâàòü áîëüøèå ïàêåòû òèïà îôèñà èëè ñèñòåìíûå DLL --
> ñàìîóáèéñòâî. Òðåáîâàíèÿ ê ôèçè÷åñêîé ïàìÿòè âîçðàñòàþò â íåñêîëüêî ðàç.

Äà ïðè ÷¸ì òóò ôèçè÷åñêàÿ ïàìÿòü!  âèíäå îíà âûñòóïàåò â êà÷åñòâå êåøà
ñâîï-ôàéëà, äèñêà è ïð.! Ïîòîì ïî÷òè âñå ïðîãðàììû â ïðîöåññå ðàáîòû
èçìåíÿþò ïî÷òè âñå ñâîè ñòðàíèöû!


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 From : Ivan Azmanoff                        2:5093/27.22   24 Jul 00 03:49:36
 To   : Bulat Ziganshin                     
 Subj : exe pack                                                                     


           Hi! Âîò íàäyìàë ñ òîáîé ïîãîâîpèòü Bulat!

 Ïîìíèòñÿ 18 Jul 00 13:09, êàêîé-òî Bulat Ziganshin íàêàëÿêàë êàêîìy-òî Vova Or
lov:

 VO>> À ïî÷åìy ïàêîâàíàÿ win32 ïpîãpàììà â ïàìÿòè ìåñòà áîëüøå
 VO>> çàíèìàåò, ÷åì íåïàêîâàííàÿ?
 BZ> ïîòîìy, ÷òî õpàíÿòñÿ è èñõîäíûå, è pàñïàêîâàííûå äàííûå (afaik)
     Òîãäà íà êîé õpåí ïàêîâàòü? Ëy÷øå òîãäà èíñòàëëÿõy ïîëy÷øå ñæàòü è âñå!

             Ïpèøëà ïîpà ïpîùàòüñÿ Bulat.

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From: "ZAB" <ZAnatolyB@Mail.ru>

Vadim Yoockin <Vadim.Yoockin@p50.f1042.n5020.z2.fidonet.org> ñîîáùèë â
íîâîñòÿõ ñëåäóþùåå:964136587@p50.f1042.n5020.z2.fidonet.ftn...
> Ïpèâåòñòâóþ, Zab!
>
> 20 Jul 00, Bulat Ziganshin ïèñàë ê Zab:
>
>  Z>> òåêñòîâûõ ôàéëîâ ...."! Òàê ìîæåò ÏÏÌ íà òåêñòàõ áóäåò äàâàòü ëó÷øèå
>  Z>> ðåçóëüòàòû ïðè ïðîõîäå èç êîíöà â íà÷àëî?
>
>  BZ> ïðîãðàììèòü óìååøü? âîò è ïðîâåðü. ñëîæíîñòü â òîì, ÷òî ó ppm íå
áëîêîâûé
>  BZ> õàðàêòåð
>
> Èëè ïðîñòî ïåðåâåðíè ôàéë çàäîì íàïåðåä è ñîæìè PPM'îì...

Äà ÿ óæå äàâíî âñ¸ ñäåëàë, æì¸ò õóæå!


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From: "ZAB" <ZAnatolyB@Mail.ru>

Vadim Yoockin <Vadim.Yoockin@p50.f1042.n5020.z2.fidonet.org> ñîîáùèë â
íîâîñòÿõ ñëåäóþùåå:964136587@p50.f1042.n5020.z2.fidonet.ftn...
> Ïpèâåòñòâóþ, Zab!
>
> 20 Jul 00, Bulat Ziganshin ïèñàë ê Zab:
>
>  Z>> òåêñòîâûõ ôàéëîâ ...."! Òàê ìîæåò ÏÏÌ íà òåêñòàõ áóäåò äàâàòü ëó÷øèå
>  Z>> ðåçóëüòàòû ïðè ïðîõîäå èç êîíöà â íà÷àëî?
>
>  BZ> ïðîãðàììèòü óìååøü? âîò è ïðîâåðü. ñëîæíîñòü â òîì, ÷òî ó ppm íå
áëîêîâûé
>  BZ> õàðàêòåð
>
> Èëè ïðîñòî ïåðåâåðíè ôàéë çàäîì íàïåðåä è ñîæìè PPM'îì...

Äà! Êñòàòè ACB ñæàë çàäîì-íà-ïåð¸ä ëó÷øå ÷åì òàê!


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 From : Anatoly Popov                        2:5003/7.2     24 Jul 00 10:48:00
 To   : Andrew Belov                        
 Subj : Èñòîðèÿ ñ ãåîãðàôèåé ;)                                                      


Ïðèâåò, Andrew!

Ñóá Èþë 22 2000, Andrew Belov ïèøåò ê Anatoly Popov:

 AP>>  Êðîìå òîãî, ó íåãî åñòü àññîðòèìåíò îïöèé äëÿ ðàáîòû ñî
 AP>> ñòàðûìè/ìîëîäûìè ôàéëàìè, íî òàì íåò îáðàáîòêè ôàéëîâ, ñîçäàííûõ
 AP>> áîëåå N äíåé íàçàä. Ìåíåå - åñòü, áîëåå - íåò :(((
 AB> À ýòî åñòü: -odb<N>.

À ñ êàêîé âåðñèè?  õåëïå ê ARJ 2.62ñ îá ýòîì óìàë÷èâàåòñÿ, õîòÿ îïöèÿ ðàáîòàåò
 ;)

        Ïîêà
                                                    Àíàòîëèé
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 From : Bulat Ziganshin                      2:5093/28.126  24 Jul 00 13:19:23
 To   : Ivan Azmanoff                       
 Subj : exe pack                                                                     



*** Answering a msg posted in area CARBON_COPIES (CARBON_COPIES).

* Originally in RU.COMPRESS
Hello Ivan!

Monday July 24 2000, Ivan Azmanoff writes to Bulat Ziganshin:
 VO>>> À ïî÷åìy ïàêîâàíàÿ win32 ïpîãpàììà â ïàìÿòè ìåñòà áîëüøå
 VO>>> çàíèìàåò, ÷åì íåïàêîâàííàÿ?
 BZ>> ïîòîìy, ÷òî õpàíÿòñÿ è èñõîäíûå, è pàñïàêîâàííûå äàííûå (afaik)
 IA>      Òîãäà íà êîé õpåí ïàêîâàòü? Ëy÷øå òîãäà èíñòàëëÿõy ïîëy÷øå ñæàòü
 IA> è âñå!

ìåíüøå ìåñòà íà äèñêå çàíèìàåò, of course

Bulat, mailto:bulatz@fort.tatarstan.ru, ICQ 15872722

... Èíîãäà äëÿ òîãî, ÷òîáû èçìåíèòü ñâîå âîñïðèÿòèå ìèðà,
... ëþäè ïûòàþòñÿ èçìåíèòü ñàì ìèð
--- GoldED+/W32 1.1.2
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 RU.COMPRESS 
 From : Bulat Ziganshin                      2:5093/28.126  24 Jul 00 13:21:31
 To   : Zab                                 
 Subj : ×òî ïîñîâåòóåòå?                                                             


* Originally in RU.COMPRESS
Hello ZAB!

Monday July 24 2000, ZAB writes to All:
 Z> ß ïîíèìàþ, ÷òî äàííûé âîïðîñ òðåáóåò áîëüøîãî ïî îáú¸ìó îòâåòà, íî íå
 Z> ñî÷òèòå çà íàãëîñòü!

 Z> Êàê ïðîäåëàòü ïðîãðàìíî ñäåëàòü îáðàòíîå ïðåîáðàçîâàíèå ST(4)?

â unst(2) òû ðàçîáðàëñÿ? òî÷íî òàê æå, òîëüêî âìåñòî ìàññèâà èñïîëüçîâàòü õåø.

Bulat, mailto:bulatz@fort.tatarstan.ru, ICQ 15872722

... Èíîãäà äëÿ òîãî, ÷òîáû èçìåíèòü ñâîå âîñïðèÿòèå ìèðà,
... ëþäè ïûòàþòñÿ èçìåíèòü ñàì ìèð
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 From : Bulat Ziganshin                      2:5093/28.126  24 Jul 00 13:24:35
 To   : Zab                                 
 Subj : exe pack                                                                     


* Originally in RU.COMPRESS
Hello ZAB!

Monday July 24 2000, ZAB writes to All:
 >> îáÿçàí ñëèâàòü èõ ñâîï. Ïóíêò (â) âîîáùå îòïàäàåò -- ðàç â ñòðàíèöû
 >> ïèñàëîñü, áóäåì äåðæàòü ñâîþ êîïèþ äëÿ êàæäîãî ýêçåìïëÿðà
 >> ïðîãðàììû/DLL.   Ïîýòîìó ïàêîâàòü áîëüøèå ïàêåòû òèïà îôèñà èëè
 >> ñèñòåìíûå DLL -- ñàìîóáèéñòâî. Òðåáîâàíèÿ ê ôèçè÷åñêîé ïàìÿòè
 >> âîçðàñòàþò â íåñêîëüêî ðàç.

 Z> Äà ïðè ÷¸ì òóò ôèçè÷åñêàÿ ïàìÿòü!  âèíäå îíà âûñòóïàåò â êà÷åñòâå
 Z> êåøà ñâîï-ôàéëà, äèñêà è ïð.! Ïîòîì ïî÷òè âñå ïðîãðàììû â ïðîöåññå
 Z> ðàáîòû èçìåíÿþò ïî÷òè âñå ñâîè ñòðàíèöû!

ÊÎÄ îíè îáû÷íî íå èçìåíÿþò

Bulat, mailto:bulatz@fort.tatarstan.ru, ICQ 15872722

... Èíîãäà äëÿ òîãî, ÷òîáû èçìåíèòü ñâîå âîñïðèÿòèå ìèðà,
... ëþäè ïûòàþòñÿ èçìåíèòü ñàì ìèð
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 From : Vadim Yoockin                        2:5020/400     24 Jul 00 14:29:48
 To   : ZAB                                 
 Subj : Re: ×òî ïîñîâåòóåòå?                                                         


From: "Vadim Yoockin" <vy@thermosyn.com>

Hello, ZAB ! You wrote:

>ß ïîíèìàþ, ÷òî äàííûé âîïðîñ òðåáóåò áîëüøîãî ïî îáú¸ìó îòâåòà, íî íå
>ñî÷òèòå çà íàãëîñòü!

Ñòàòüÿ ïîñëàíà ìûëîì.

>Êàê ïðîäåëàòü ïðîãðàìíî ñäåëàòü îáðàòíîå ïðåîáðàçîâàíèå ST(4)?
>Êàê ïîëó÷èòü îòñîðòèðîâàííûé ìàññèâ êîíòåêñòîâ ÿ ïîíèìàþ, íî êàê ïîòîì,
çíàÿ
>èíäåêñ ïåðâîãî, ïðîèçâåñòè îáðàòíîå ïðåîáðàçîâàíèå, ÿ ïðåäñòàâëÿþ ñ òðóäîì,
>íó íå óæ òî ïðèä¸òñÿ ñäâèãàòü êîíòåêñò - äîáàâëÿòü ñèìâîë - èñêàòü
>ïîëó÷èâøèéñÿ êîíòåêñò - è ò. ä. äà åù¸ ïðè ýòîì ñëåäèòü çà ïîâòîðíûì
>èñïîëüçîâàíèåì êîíòåêñòà! Ýòî æ íà âåêà!

Håçà÷åì ýòî. Çàäà÷à-òî - â ïîäñ÷åòå ÷èñëà îäèíàêîâûõ êîíòåêñòîâ.
Äëÿ óíèêàëüíûõ æå êîíòåêñòîâ îáðàòíîå ïðåîáðàçîâàíèå íè÷åì
íå îòëè÷àåòñÿ îò BWT-øíîãî.

Âñåãî äîáðîãî,
Âàäèì.


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 RU.COMPRESS 
 From : Ivan Azmanoff                        2:5093/27.22   24 Jul 00 16:35:40
 To   : Bulat Ziganshin                     
 Subj : exe pack                                                                     


           Hi! Âîò íàäyìàë ñ òîáîé ïîãîâîpèòü Bulat!

 Ïîìíèòñÿ 24 Jul 00 13:19, êàêîé-òî Bulat Ziganshin íàêàëÿêàë êàêîìy-òî Ivan Az
manoff:

 VO>>>> À ïî÷åìy ïàêîâàíàÿ win32 ïpîãpàììà â ïàìÿòè ìåñòà áîëüøå
 VO>>>> çàíèìàåò, ÷åì íåïàêîâàííàÿ?
 BZ>>> ïîòîìy, ÷òî õpàíÿòñÿ è èñõîäíûå, è pàñïàêîâàííûå äàííûå (afaik)
 IA>>      Òîãäà íà êîé õpåí ïàêîâàòü? Ëy÷øå òîãäà èíñòàëëÿõy ïîëy÷øå
 IA>> ñæàòü è âñå!

 BZ> ìåíüøå ìåñòà íà äèñêå çàíèìàåò, of course
     Äûê ïàìÿòü íà ïîpÿäîê âàæíåå!!! Ãèãîâ íà âèíòå âñåãäà õâàòèò, à âîò
     ïàìÿòè, êîòîpîé òàê íåápåæíî pàñêèäûâàþòñÿ ýòè ãîpáàòûå ôîpòî÷êè...

             Ïpèøëà ïîpà ïpîùàòüñÿ Bulat.

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From: "Dmitry Shkarin" <dmitry.shkarin@mtu-net.ru>

                         Hi, Andre!
>ñêàæó ïàðó ñëîâ êàñàòåëüíî LPC. âîçèëñÿ ÿ ñ íèì ïðèìåíèòåëüíî ê âîïðîñó
>lossless êîìïðåññèè àóäèî-ñèãíàëîâ. ðàáîòà âåëàñü ñ íåñêîëüêèìè
ìóçûêàëüíûìè
>CD-òðåêàìè. äèñêðåòèçàöèÿ 44100 16 áèò. ñèãíàë ðàçáèâàëñÿ íà ôðåéìû è äëÿ
>êàæäîãî ôðåéìà âû÷èñëÿëèñü êîýôôèöèåíòû LPC. è âîò ÷òî èíòåðåñíî - LPC
>âûñîêèõ ïîðÿäêîâ (10-12) ïîêàçûâàþò õóäøèé ðåçóëüòàò ïî ñðàâíåíèþ ñ áîëåå
>íèçêèìè ïîðÿäêàìè (3-5). ïîä õóäøèì ðåçóëüòàòîì ïîäðàçóìåâàåòñÿ áîëüøàÿ
>äèñïåðñèÿ îøèáêè ïðåäñêàçàíèÿ.
>
>"îáñêàêàë" âñåõ äðóãîé àëãîðèòì (íà âñÿêèé ñëó÷àé ñòàâèì (ñ) :))
àäàïòèâíîãî
>LPC. ñóòü ñëåäóþùàÿ. åñòü íåáîëüøîå îêíî. íà îñíîâàíèè îòñ÷åòîâ ýòîãî îêíà
>âû÷èñëÿåì LPC íåâûñîêîãî ïîðÿäêà. ïðåäñêàçûâàåì ñëåä. îòñ÷åò. ñäâèãàåì îêíî
>íà îäèí îòñ÷åò è äîáàâëÿåì òîëüêî ÷òî çàêîäèðîâàííûé îòñ÷åò â îêíî. + è -
>òàêîãî àëãîðèòìà: +êîýôôèöèåíòû LPC íèêîãäà íå ïåðåäàþòñÿ â ÿâíîì âèäå.
>+ïîâûøåííàÿ àäàïòèâíîñòü êî âõîäíîìó ñèãíàëó. -ìåíüøåå áûñòðîäåéñòâèå.
>
>áóäåò èíòåðåñíî óçíàòü ìíåíèå îáùåñòâåííîñòè - èçîáðåòåí âåëîñèïåä èëè
>âå÷íûé äâèãàòåëü ? :))
    Ãëÿíü â ñòîðîíó HBB, TMW, coder by Guang Deng etc. Hà ýòî äåëî
êîïèðàéòîâ êàê áëîøåê íà áàðáîñêå ;-)
    Âîîáùå, ëó÷øå ðàññìàòðèâàòü ïðåäèêòîð êàê âñïîìîãàòåëüíûé øàã äëÿ
ïîñëåäóåùåãî êîíòåêñòíîãî ìîäåëèðîâàíèÿ, òîãäà àäàïòèâíîñòü ïðåäèêòîðà áóäåò
òîëüêî ñáèâàòü ñ òîëêó êîíòåêñòíûé ìîäåëåð.


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 RU.COMPRESS 
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From: "ZAB" <ZAnatolyB@Mail.ru>

Vadim Yoockin <vy@thermosyn.com> ñîîáùèë â íîâîñòÿõ
ñëåäóþùåå:8lh43m$154$1@news.kiev.sovam.com...
> Hello, ZAB ! You wrote:
>
> >ß ïîíèìàþ, ÷òî äàííûé âîïðîñ òðåáóåò áîëüøîãî ïî îáú¸ìó îòâåòà, íî íå
> >ñî÷òèòå çà íàãëîñòü!
>
> Ñòàòüÿ ïîñëàíà ìûëîì.
>
> >Êàê ïðîäåëàòü ïðîãðàìíî ñäåëàòü îáðàòíîå ïðåîáðàçîâàíèå ST(4)?
> >Êàê ïîëó÷èòü îòñîðòèðîâàííûé ìàññèâ êîíòåêñòîâ ÿ ïîíèìàþ, íî êàê ïîòîì,
> çíàÿ
> >èíäåêñ ïåðâîãî, ïðîèçâåñòè îáðàòíîå ïðåîáðàçîâàíèå, ÿ ïðåäñòàâëÿþ ñ
òðóäîì,
> >íó íå óæ òî ïðèä¸òñÿ ñäâèãàòü êîíòåêñò - äîáàâëÿòü ñèìâîë - èñêàòü
> >ïîëó÷èâøèéñÿ êîíòåêñò - è ò. ä. äà åù¸ ïðè ýòîì ñëåäèòü çà ïîâòîðíûì
> >èñïîëüçîâàíèåì êîíòåêñòà! Ýòî æ íà âåêà!
>
> Håçà÷åì ýòî. Çàäà÷à-òî - â ïîäñ÷åòå ÷èñëà îäèíàêîâûõ êîíòåêñòîâ.
> Äëÿ óíèêàëüíûõ æå êîíòåêñòîâ îáðàòíîå ïðåîáðàçîâàíèå íè÷åì
> íå îòëè÷àåòñÿ îò BWT-øíîãî.

Àãà! Òîëüêî âîò äëÿ òàêîãî ïîäñ÷¸òà ïîòðåáóåòñÿ ~4 Ãá!!!


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From: "ZAB" <ZAnatolyB@Mail.ru>

Bulat Ziganshin <Bulat.Ziganshin@p126.f28.n5093.z2.fidonet.org> ñîîáùèë â
íîâîñòÿõ ñëåäóþùåå:964445061@p126.f28.n5093.z2.ftn...
> * Originally in RU.COMPRESS
> Hello ZAB!
>
> Monday July 24 2000, ZAB writes to All:
>  Z> ß ïîíèìàþ, ÷òî äàííûé âîïðîñ òðåáóåò áîëüøîãî ïî îáú¸ìó îòâåòà, íî íå
>  Z> ñî÷òèòå çà íàãëîñòü!
>
>  Z> Êàê ïðîäåëàòü ïðîãðàìíî ñäåëàòü îáðàòíîå ïðåîáðàçîâàíèå ST(4)?
>
> â unst(2) òû ðàçîáðàëñÿ? òî÷íî òàê æå, òîëüêî âìåñòî ìàññèâà èñïîëüçîâàòü
õåø.

Ìîæåò ÿ ÷¸ íå ïîíèìàþ â òåîðèè, íî ïî õåøó íå òàê ïðîñòî èíäåêñèðîâàòüñÿ,
íóæíà ïðîöåäóðà ïîèñêà! ß óæå òàê ñäàëàë, ò.å. ñîáèðàþ ìàññèâ èç N 4-¸õ
áàéòíûõ ýëåìåíòîâ (êîíòåêñòîâ), è åù¸ îäèí òàêîé æå, íî âìåñòî êîíòåêñòîâ â
í¸ì èíäåêñû íà èñõîäíûé áëîê, ïîòîì åù¸ ìàññèâ 0..65535 äëÿ òîãî, ÷òîáû
áèíàðíûé ïîèñê ïî ïåðâîìó ìàññèâó íà÷èíàëñÿ ñ äèàïîçîíà íà áîëåå 655536,
ò.å. ýòîò òðåòèé ìàññèâ ÿâëÿåòñÿ òàáëèöåé èíäåêñîâ íà ïåðâûå 2 áàéòà
êîíòåêñòîâ! Ïîìîåìó ðåàëèçà÷èÿ âïîëíå îïòèìàëüíà, ïî êðàéíåé ìåðå äëÿ
îáðàòíîãî ïðåîáðàçîâàíèÿ 3-¸õ ìåãàáàéò (âñåõ öåëèêîì, îäíèì áëîêîì) åé íàäî
~3,5 ñåêóíäû!

ÇÛ: Äëÿ øèôðîâêè òðåáóåòñÿ 4,5 ñåêóíä! Êòî ñêàçàë, ÷òî ðàñïàêîâêà
òîðìîçíóòåå?

ÇÇÛ: Ïîñëå îïòèìèçàöèè ïðîöåäóð ñîðòèðîâêè:
ïàêîâêà (ïðåîáðàçîâàíèå): 4,203 ñåê
ðàñïàêîâêà (ïðåîáðàçîâàíèå): 3,3 ñåê
Æð¸ò 35 ìåãîâ â ïèêîâîé íàãðóçêå è ìíå êàæåòñÿ, ÷òî óìåíüøàòü ðàçìåð áëîêà
ìåííåå 3-¸õ ìåãàáàéò íåò íåîáõîäèìîñòè!

ÇÇÇÛ: Êñòàòè! Êàêîé ïîðÿäîê êîíòåêñòîâ äà¸ò ëó÷øèé ðåçóëüòàò? Àòî äîäåëàòü
ýòî äî 8 - 12 ìîæíî áåç ïîòåðü â ñêîðîñòü áîëåå 1 ñåêóíäû!


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 RU.COMPRESS 
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From: "Andre N Belokon" <algo@softlab.od.ua>
Reply-To: "Andre N Belokon" <algo@softlab.od.ua>

Dmitry Shkarin <dmitry.shkarin@mtu-net.ru> ñîîáùèë â íîâîñòÿõ
ñëåäóþùåå:8lhq6p$199o$1@gavrilo.mtu.ru...
>     Ãëÿíü â ñòîðîíó HBB, TMW, coder by Guang Deng etc.
ìîæíî áîëåå òî÷íûå URL-èêè ?

> Hà ýòî äåëî êîïèðàéòîâ êàê áëîøåê íà áàðáîñêå ;-)
íå ñïîðþ, íî êîíêðåòíî òàêóþ ñõåìó ÿ íå âñòðå÷àë.

>     Âîîáùå, ëó÷øå ðàññìàòðèâàòü ïðåäèêòîð êàê âñïîìîãàòåëüíûé øàã äëÿ
> ïîñëåäóåùåãî êîíòåêñòíîãî ìîäåëèðîâàíèÿ, òîãäà àäàïòèâíîñòü ïðåäèêòîðà
áóäåò
> òîëüêî ñáèâàòü ñ òîëêó êîíòåêñòíûé ìîäåëåð.
ýòî ïîíÿòíî âñå, íî î êîíòåêñòíîì ìîäåëèðîâàíèè ðå÷ü íå øëà.

--
WBR Andre N Belokon
http://softlab.od.ua
http://algo.4u.ru



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 Subj : Çâóêîâûå êîäåêè                                                              


Çäðàâñòâóé All!


Õîòåëîñü áû ïîèìåòü ñûðöû äëÿ ðàñïàêîâêè wav-îâ ñ âñåâîçìîæíûìè êîäåêàìè,
ïðåæäå âñåãî ADPCM.
 èäåàëå õîòåëîñü áû íàéòè óíèâåðñàëüíóþ ñèøíóþ ëèáó äëÿ ðàñïàêîâêè ëþáîãî wav
(íó è mp3 òîæå :))
Hó èëè îïèñàíèå ýòèõ ôîðìàòîâ òîæå áû óñòðîèëî.

                        Ñ óâàæåíèåì, Ed.

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 RU.COMPRESS 
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 To   : ZAB                                 
 Subj : Re: ×òî ïîñîâåòóåòå?                                                         


From: "Vadim Yoockin" <vy@thermosyn.com>

Hello, ZAB ! You wrote:

>Ìîæåò ÿ ÷¸ íå ïîíèìàþ â òåîðèè, íî ïî õåøó íå òàê ïðîñòî èíäåêñèðîâàòüñÿ,
>íóæíà ïðîöåäóðà ïîèñêà!

Çàòî õýø áîëåå óñòîé÷èâ ê áîëüøîìó êîëè÷åñòâó ïîõîæèõ êîíòåêñòîâ.

>ß óæå òàê ñäàëàë, ò.å. ñîáèðàþ ìàññèâ èç N 4-¸õ
>áàéòíûõ ýëåìåíòîâ (êîíòåêñòîâ), è åù¸ îäèí òàêîé æå, íî âìåñòî êîíòåêñòîâ â
>í¸ì èíäåêñû íà èñõîäíûé áëîê, ïîòîì åù¸ ìàññèâ 0..65535 äëÿ òîãî, ÷òîáû
>áèíàðíûé ïîèñê ïî ïåðâîìó ìàññèâó íà÷èíàëñÿ ñ äèàïîçîíà íà áîëåå 655536,
>ò.å. ýòîò òðåòèé ìàññèâ ÿâëÿåòñÿ òàáëèöåé èíäåêñîâ íà ïåðâûå 2 áàéòà
>êîíòåêñòîâ! Ïîìîåìó ðåàëèçà÷èÿ âïîëíå îïòèìàëüíà, ïî êðàéíåé ìåðå äëÿ
>îáðàòíîãî ïðåîáðàçîâàíèÿ 3-¸õ ìåãàáàéò (âñåõ öåëèêîì, îäíèì áëîêîì) åé íàäî
>~3,5 ñåêóíäû!

À åñëè âåñü áëîê ñîñòîèò èç îäèíàêîâûõ ñèìâîëîâ, ñêîëüêî òðåáóåòñÿ âðåìåíè?
;)
Êñòàòè, äëÿ ÷èñòîòû ýêñïåðèìåíòà ñðàâíè ñ szip'îì.

>ÇÛ: Äëÿ øèôðîâêè òðåáóåòñÿ 4,5 ñåêóíä! Êòî ñêàçàë, ÷òî ðàñïàêîâêà
>òîðìîçíóòåå?

À ýòî ñòðàííî. Ìîæåò, ó òåáÿ ïðÿìîå ïðåîáðàçîâàíèå êàêîå-òî íå òî?
Òàì æå äåëîâ-òî - íà ïàðó ïðîõîäîâ radix-sort'à.

>ÇÇÛ: Ïîñëå îïòèìèçàöèè ïðîöåäóð ñîðòèðîâêè:
>ïàêîâêà (ïðåîáðàçîâàíèå): 4,203 ñåê
>ðàñïàêîâêà (ïðåîáðàçîâàíèå): 3,3 ñåê
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Ýòî äà.

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Çà èñêëþ÷åíèåì íåêîòîðûõ äàííûõ, ÷åì áîëüøå - òåì ëó÷øå.
Hà áîëüøèíñòâå òåêñòîâ 8-12 áóäåò âïîëíå äîñòàòî÷íî.

Âñåãî äîáðîãî,
Âàäèì.


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