— RU.COMPRESS
From : Artem Tepponen 2:5038/1.9 23 Aug 98 15:13:08
To : Eugene Mironchuk
Subj : huffman
Hi, Eugene!
At 23 Aug 98 08:23:21, Eugene Mironchuk wrote to Artem Tepponen:
EM> Hy õîpîøî, íå â "8 pàç". ß òàê ïîíÿë, på÷ü øëà ïpî ÕÀÔÔÌÅH? À õàôôìåí ïî
EM> îïpåäåëåíèþ ñòàâèò â ñîîòâåòñòâèå ñèìâîëàì íåêîòîpîãî àëôàâèòà (êîäàì
EM> îïpåäåëåííîé ïîñòîÿííîé äëèíû) êîäû ïåpåìåííîé äëèíû.
Hó _ïî÷åìó_ ñèìâîëû âõîäíîãî àëôàâèòà ÿâëÿþòñÿ êîäàìè ïîñòîÿííîé äëèíû???
Ïîòîìó ÷òî òàê ïðîãðàììèðîâàòü ëåã÷å? Òîãäà îé.
EM> È, ñîãëàñèòåñü, ïîòåpè ïpè ñæàòèè õàôôìåíîì êyäà áîëüøå, ÷åì ïpè ñæàòèè
EM> àpèôìåòè÷åñêèì èëè LZ. Ïpè÷åì ïîòåpè íà ÊÀÆÄÎÌ ñèìâîëå.
Ïî îòíîøåíèþ ê LZ - ýòî óæå ñìîòðÿ ÷òî ñæèìàåøü ;)
À àðèôìåòè÷åñêèé - ïàòåíòîâàí, ÷òî íå âñåãäà óñòðàèâàåò,
õîòÿ ñîáñòâåííî ê êà÷åñòâó êîäåêîâ ýòî îòíîøåíèÿ íå èìååò.
Èëè êòî-íèáóäü âèäåë arith coded JPEG? Â ñòàíäàðòå òàêîå åñòü.
Artem
--- QDed-3.57 for FreeBSD-2.2.5
* Origin: Don't worry, be happy (2:5038/1.9)
— RU.COMPRESS
From : Maxime Zakharov 2:5065/10.12 23 Aug 98 18:32:18
To : Artem Tepponen
Subj : huffman
Hello Artem,
Sunday August 23 1998 17:13, Artem Tepponen wrote to Eugene Mironchuk:
EM>> õàôôìåí ïî îïpåäåëåíèþ ñòàâèò â ñîîòâåòñòâèå ñèìâîëàì íåêîòîpîãî
EM>> àëôàâèòà (êîäàì îïpåäåëåííîé ïîñòîÿííîé äëèíû) êîäû ïåpåìåííîé
EM>> äëèíû.
AT> Hó _ïî÷åìó_ ñèìâîëû âõîäíîãî àëôàâèòà ÿâëÿþòñÿ êîäàìè ïîñòîÿííîé
AT> äëèíû??? Ïîòîìó ÷òî òàê ïðîãðàììèðîâàòü ëåã÷å? Òîãäà îé.
Ïîòîìy, ÷òî y íèõ äëèíà pàâíà 1: òû âåäü ñîãëàñèëñÿ, ÷òî ñèìâîëû àëôàâèòà
ýëåìåíòàpíûå íåäåëèìûå ýëåìåíòû èç êîòîpûõ ñòpîÿòñÿ ñîîáùåíèÿ. Äà, ýòè ñèìâîëû
ìîæíî çàêîäèpîâàòü ñèìâîëàìè äâîè÷íîãî àëôàâèòà, äà, äàæå êîäîâûìè ñëîâàìè
ïåpåìåííîé äëèíû. Hî ïî îòíîøåíèþ ê äâîè÷íîìy àëôàâèòy ïîëy÷åííûé êîä, âîîáùå
ãîâîpÿ, íå áyäåò êîäîì Õàôôìåíà.
Maxime Zakharov.
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* Origin: Maxime Zakharov (2:5065/10.12)
— RU.COMPRESS
From : Artem Tepponen 2:5038/1.9 23 Aug 98 20:07:32
To : Maxime Zakharov
Subj : huffman
Hi, Maxime!
At 23 Aug 98 20:32:58, Maxime Zakharov wrote to Artem Tepponen:
MZ> Hî ïî îòíîøåíèþ ê äâîè÷íîìy àëôàâèòy
MZ> ïîëy÷åííûé êîä, âîîáùå ãîâîpÿ, íå áyäåò êîäîì Õàôôìåíà.
Âîîáùå ãîâîðÿ, õîðîøî ñêàçàíî ;) ×òî åñòü äâîè÷íûé àëôàâèò? 0 è 1?
Åãî òû òî÷íî Õàôôìàíîì íå ñîæìåøü.
Artem
PS: Ó êîãî åñòü óìíûé êíèæêà, ïðîöèòèðóéòå, ÷òî-ëè...
Êàêàÿ âîîáùå òåðìèíîëîãèÿ óïîòðåáëÿåòñÿ? Èëè ññûëêó íà êíèæêó.
--- QDed-3.57 for FreeBSD-2.2.5
* Origin: Don't worry, be happy (2:5038/1.9)
— RU.COMPRESS
From : Eugene Mironchuk 2:4635/8.23 23 Aug 98 22:07:21
To : Artem Tepponen
Subj : huffman
Welcome Artem!
Êàê-òî Artem Tepponen ïèñÀë ê Eugene Mironchuk:
AT> À àðèôìåòè÷åñêèé - ïàòåíòîâàí, ÷òî íå âñåãäà óñòðàèâàåò,
8( ) Î÷åíü æàëü. È êòî æå ïàòåíò èìååò? Èíòåpåñíî. Òàê, ãëÿäèøü, âîîáùå
ñæèìàòü íåëüçÿ áyäåò. Òèïà ëèñòîê áyìàãè ïîïåpåê ñëîæèë - ïëàòè :)
AT> õîòÿ ñîáñòâåííî ê êà÷åñòâó êîäåêîâ ýòî îòíîøåíèÿ íå èìååò.
AT> Èëè êòî-íèáóäü âèäåë arith coded JPEG? Â ñòàíäàðòå òàêîå åñòü.
Hå âèäåë. Hå ñìîòpåë òî÷íåå.
... Lazy of ETC Group (ZX & ÏÖ) - who's more lazy than me?
--- RUSH Home Station!
* Origin: See you at 2:4635/8.23 and 2:4635/77.5 (2:4635/8.23)
— RU.COMPRESS
From : Vladimir Kalashnikov 2:461/133.69 23 Aug 98 23:39:00
To : Eugene Mironchuk
Subj : À íèêòî íå ñëûøàë ïðî íîâóþ âåðñèþ JAR???
. . .êòî ïîìíèò âñå èìåíà? Äîáðîãî ìãíîâåíèÿ, Eugene!
Îäíàæäû Ñóááîòà Àâãóñò 22 1998 â 23:05,
Eugene Mironchuk ïèñàë Bulat Ziganshin:
EM> Ëy÷øå. ×åì äîñîâñêèé RAR - òî÷íî. À WinRAR - ýòî òîpìîç.
Òû påãèñòpèpîâàòü (êpÿêîì) ïpîáîâàë ? Ñêîpîñòü pàçà â 3-4 ïîâûøàåòñÿ.
Ñ óâàæåíèåì, Vladimir Kalashnikov
--- GoldED 2.42.G0214+
* Origin: Âñå îíè â êîæàíûõ êóðòêàõ, âñå íåáîëüøîãî ðîñòà. . . (2:461/133.69)
— RU.COMPRESS
From : Eugene Mironchuk 2:4635/8.23 24 Aug 98 10:33:06
To : Bulat Ziganshin
Subj : À íèêòî íå ñëûøàë ïðî íîâóþ âåðñèþ JAR???
Welcome Bulat!
Êàê-òî Bulat Ziganshin ïèñÀë ê Eugene Mironchuk:
BZ> Sunday August 23 1998, Eugene Mironchuk writes to Bulat Ziganshin:
EM>>>> ß ñëûøàë. Hî òîëüêî ñëûøàë. Ãîâîpÿò - ñåpäèòî æìåò. Hî ñàì ÿ
EM>>>> ïîëüçyþñü ACE 1.2. Îí RAR ïî êpàéíå ìåpå äåëàåò.
BZ>>> Òåêñòû îí æìåò õóæå.
EM>> Ëy÷øå. ×åì äîñîâñêèé RAR - òî÷íî. À WinRAR - ýòî òîpìîç.
BZ> Ó äîñîâñêîãî rar ìàëåíüêèé ñëîâàðü, à winrar versus ace - ýòî âûáîð
BZ> ìåæäó ñòåïåíüþ ñæàòèÿ è ñêîðîñòüþ.
Òî ÷òî ÿ ïpîáîâàë ñæèìàòü - ìåëêè ôàéëû è èãpyøêy Stardust(îêîëî 15M) ACE ñæàë
ëy÷øå WinRAR'a. Ñæèìàòü åùå êàêèå-òî êpyïíûå âåùè WinRAR'îì ÿ íå påøèëñÿ. Óæ
î÷åíü îí òîpìîçíîé. DOS'îâñêèé RAR ñ 64K ñëîâàpåì æìåò ìåäëåííåå ACE'à ñ 1M
ñëîâàpåì. Êîpî÷å, RAR'îì ÿ òåïåpü òîëüêî MOD'û æìy :)
... Lazy of ETC Group (ZX & ÏÖ) - who's more lazy than me?
--- RUSH Home Station!
* Origin: See you at 2:4635/8.23 and 2:4635/77.5 (2:4635/8.23)
— RU.COMPRESS
From : Denis Dmitriev 2:5020/400 24 Aug 98 12:50:08
To : All
Subj : Re: huffman
From: "Denis Dmitriev" <sigma@cea.ru>
AT>> À àðèôìåòè÷åñêèé - ïàòåíòîâàí, ÷òî íå âñåãäà óñòðàèâàåò,
>8( ) Î÷åíü æàëü. È êòî æå ïàòåíò èìååò? Èíòåpåñíî.
à ïàòåíò (òî÷íåå, ïàòåíòû íà âñ¸ ñâÿçàííîå ñ àðèôìåòè÷åñêèì êîäèðîâàíèåì)
èìååò ibm... âîò òàê òî...
--- ifmail v.2.14dev2
* Origin: Demos online service (2:5020/400@fidonet)
— RU.COMPRESS
From : Artem Tepponen 2:5038/1.9 24 Aug 98 20:53:13
To : Eugene Mironchuk
Subj : huffman
Hi, Eugene!
At 24 Aug 98 00:08:01, Eugene Mironchuk wrote to Artem Tepponen:
AT>> À àðèôìåòè÷åñêèé - ïàòåíòîâàí, ÷òî íå âñåãäà óñòðàèâàåò,
EM> 8( ) Î÷åíü æàëü. È êòî æå ïàòåíò èìååò? Èíòåpåñíî. Òàê, ãëÿäèøü,
EM> âîîáùå ñæèìàòü íåëüçÿ áyäåò. Òèïà ëèñòîê áyìàãè ïîïåpåê ñëîæèë - ïëàòè :)
IBM ;) À íà êàêîé-òî èç LZW (íó òîò ÷òî â GIF) - ó Unisys.
AT>> õîòÿ ñîáñòâåííî ê êà÷åñòâó êîäåêîâ ýòî îòíîøåíèÿ íå èìååò.
AT>> Èëè êòî-íèáóäü âèäåë arith coded JPEG? Â ñòàíäàðòå òàêîå åñòü.
EM> Hå âèäåë. Hå ñìîòpåë òî÷íåå.
È ñêîðåå âñåãî íå óâèäèøü. :( Èáî ñ áîëüøîé âåðîÿòíîñòüþ ïîëó÷èøü
"Arithmetic Coding not supported", (íàïðèìåð PhotoShop 4 òàêîå ìíå îòêîëîë)
Artem
--- QDed-3.57 for FreeBSD-2.2.5
* Origin: Don't worry, be happy (2:5038/1.9)
— RU.COMPRESS
From : Serge Titov 2:4635/28 25 Aug 98 08:15:20
To : Aleksei Pogorily
Subj : À íèêòî íå ñëûøàë ïðî íîâóþ âåðñèþ JAR???
18:41 22 Aug 1998
Aleksei Pogorily êàê-òî ïèñàë Bulat Ziganshin:
AP> Äëÿ EXE - äà.
AP> À äëÿ òåêñòîâ è ïîäîáíûõ ôàéëîâ - boa (àáñîëþòíûé påêîpäñìåí ïî÷òè
AP> âñåãäà), rkive 1.92a (âûèãpûâàåò ó boa, åñëè ìíîãî ìåëêèõ ôàéëîâ,
AP> ò.ê. boa èìåíà ôàéëîâ êëàäåò â àpõèâ â íàòópàëüíîì âèäå, áåç
AP> ñæàòèÿ), szip - ýòîò ïpè ïpèëè÷íîì ñæàòèè äîâîëüíî áûñòpûé.
À ãäå èõ âçÿòü ìîæíî ñ èíåòà????
Ñåðæ
--- GEcho 1.02+
* Origin: (2:4635/28)
— RU.COMPRESS
From : Vadim Yoockin 2:5020/1042.50 25 Aug 98 20:40:58
To : Max Smirnov
Subj : Re:
Ïpèâåòñòâóþ, Max!
19 Aug 98, Max Smirnov ïèñàë ê Vadim Yoockin:
VY>> Ñìîòðÿ, êîìó èçâåñòíûõ. À rkive, boa, ufa, x1, arhangel...?
MS> ^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^
MS> À ýòî ÷òî òàêîå?
Àðõèâàòîðû, íàäî äóìàòü. Rkive - LZP, PPMZ. Arhangel - ïðîäâèíóòûé HA +
ìóëüòèìåäèéíîå ñæàòèå.
Âñåãî äîáðîãî. Vadim Yoockin
... 2.000.000 Lemmings can't be wrong.
--- Ñòàpûé Äåä ñòîèìîñòüþ 3.00.Alpha4 äîïëàòà â ÑÊÂ UNREG
* Origin: mail to yoockinv@aha.ru (2:5020/1042.50)
— RU.COMPRESS
From : Vadim Yoockin 2:5020/1042.50 25 Aug 98 21:32:03
To : All
Subj : For Information
Ïpèâåòñòâóþ, All!
Uwe Herklotz (àâòîð Uharc'a) âûïóñòèë áåçïîòåðüíûé ñæèìàòåëü
Uhic 1.0 äëÿ 24-áèòíîé ãðàôèêè. Hà ìîèõ òåñòàõ îí îïåðåæàåò
bmp2eri 5.0, Arhangel 1.31 è bmf 0.21.
Áåðåòñÿ êàê âñåãäà, íà ñòóáå.
Âñåãî äîáðîãî. Vadim Yoockin
... 2.000.000 Lemmings can't be wrong.
--- Ñòàpûé Äåä ñòîèìîñòüþ 3.00.Alpha4 äîïëàòà â ÑÊÂ UNREG
* Origin: mail to yoockinv@aha.ru (2:5020/1042.50)
— RU.COMPRESS
From : Andrew Filinsky 2:452/4.11 26 Aug 98 06:56:52
To : All
Subj : Håêèé àpõèâàòîp
Çäpàâñòâóé, All!
ß èññëåäóþ íåêîòîpûå ìåòîäû ñæàòèÿ èíôîpìàöèè, è ó ìåíÿ åñòü íåñêîëüêî
âîïpîñîâ:
Hàñêîëüêî èíòåpåñåí àpõèâàòîp, pàçìåp àpõèâà êîòîpîãî íà 4-6% ìåíüøå, ÷åì
pàçìåp àpõèâà ó RAR äëÿ DOS? Ýòî ñîîòíîøåíèå âûïîëíÿåòñÿ äëÿ òåêñòîâûõ è
èñïîëíÿåìûõ ôàéëîâ. Äëÿ îñòàëüíûõ ôàéëîâ îíî ìîæåò áûòü íåñêîëüêî èíûì.
Ñêîëüêî îïåpàòèâíîé ïàìÿòè òpåáóþò äëÿ pàáîòû ñîâpåìåííûå àpõèâàòîpû?
- ---
Ñ ìîèõ ñëîâ çàïèñàíî âåpíî. Andrew Filinsky.
---
* Origin: > AIServer & Natural Language Robot is placed here > (2:452/4.11)
— RU.COMPRESS
From : Eugene Mironchuk 2:4635/8.23 26 Aug 98 17:31:40
To : Vladimir Kalashnikov
Subj : À íèêòî íå ñëûøàë ïðî íîâóþ âåðñèþ JAR???
Welcome Vladimir!
Êàê-òî Vladimir Kalashnikov ïèñÀë ê Eugene Mironchuk:
EM>> Ëy÷øå. ×åì äîñîâñêèé RAR - òî÷íî. À WinRAR - ýòî òîpìîç.
VK> Òû påãèñòpèpîâàòü (êpÿêîì) ïpîáîâàë ? Ñêîpîñòü pàçà â 3-4 ïîâûøàåòñÿ.
À êòî áû ìíå êpÿê ìûëîì ïîäêèíyë ?:)
... Lazy of ETC Group (ZX & ÏÖ) - who's more lazy than me?
--- RUSH Home Station!
* Origin: See you at 2:4635/8.23 and 2:4635/77.5 (2:4635/8.23)
— RU.COMPRESS
From : Maxim Elkin 2:5020/979.1 26 Aug 98 22:38:46
To : Artem Tepponen
Subj : huffman
Ïpèâåò, Artem!
24 Aug 98 20:53, Artem Tepponen wrote to Eugene Mironchuk:
AT>>> À àðèôìåòè÷åñêèé - ïàòåíòîâàí, ÷òî íå âñåãäà óñòðàèâàåò,
[skip î òîì æå]
AT>>> õîòÿ ñîáñòâåííî ê êà÷åñòâó êîäåêîâ ýòî îòíîøåíèÿ íå èìååò.
AT>>> Èëè êòî-íèáóäü âèäåë arith coded JPEG? Â ñòàíäàðòå òàêîå åñòü.
EM>> Hå âèäåë. Hå ñìîòpåë òî÷íåå.
AT> È ñêîðåå âñåãî íå óâèäèøü. :( Èáî ñ áîëüøîé âåðîÿòíîñòüþ ïîëó÷èøü
AT> "Arithmetic Coding not supported", (íàïðèìåð PhotoShop 4 òàêîå ìíå
AT> îòêîëîë)
Î ïàòåíòîâàííîñòè àëãîpèòìîâ àpèôìåòè÷åñêîãî êîäèpîâàíèÿ äëÿ JPEG
ÿ, êîíå÷íî, íàñëûøàí... :-( Hî íåóæåëè çàïàòåíòîâàíû àëãîpèòìû
pàñïàêîâêè? Åñëè äàæå äà, êàê ìîæíî äîêàçàòü, ÷òî èìåÿ ñïåöèôèêàöèþ
ôîpìàòà, ÿ íå ñàì ïpèäóìàë "äàííûé òîpìîçíîé pàñïàêîâùèê". Èëè
ñïåöèôèêàöèÿ ôîpìàòà JPEG ARI òàêæå çàïàòåíòîâàíà? Òàäû îé ;-)
Ñ íàèëó÷øèìè,
Maxim Elkin
--- GoldEd 2.50+
* Origin: Rabid Dog BBS (2:5020/979.1)
— RU.COMPRESS
From : Bulat Ziganshin 2:5093/26 27 Aug 98 08:48:17
To : Andrew Filinsky
Subj : Håêèé àpõèâàòîp
* Crossposted in RU.COMPRESS
Hello Andrew!
Wednesday August 26 1998, Andrew Filinsky writes to All:
AF> Hàñêîëüêî èíòåpåñåí àpõèâàòîp, pàçìåp àpõèâà êîòîpîãî íà 4-6% ìåíüøå,
AF> ÷åì pàçìåp àpõèâà ó RAR äëÿ DOS? Ýòî ñîîòíîøåíèå âûïîëíÿåòñÿ äëÿ
AF> òåêñòîâûõ è èñïîëíÿåìûõ ôàéëîâ. Äëÿ îñòàëüíûõ ôàéëîâ îíî ìîæåò áûòü
AF> íåñêîëüêî èíûì.
Hàñòîëüêî æå, íàñêîëüêî è winrar, ace, cabarc, imp è åùå êó÷à àðõèâàòîðîâ ñ
áîëüøèì ñëîâàðåì.
AF> Ñêîëüêî îïåpàòèâíîé ïàìÿòè òpåáóþò äëÿ pàáîòû ñîâpåìåííûå àpõèâàòîpû?
Âûøåïðèâåäåííûå - 5-20 ìåòðîâ.
Bulat, bulatz@fort.tatarstan.ru, ICQ: ðàá. 11849833, äîì. 15872722
--- GoldED/386 2.50+
* Origin: Tea&Company club BBS (Star Empire BBS) (2:5093/26)
— RU.COMPRESS
From : Igor Philippov 2:450/129.13 27 Aug 98 20:57:00
To : Andrey Tretjakov
Subj : <none>
@RealName: Èãîpü Ôèëèïïîâ AKA Philips
Ïpèâåòèê, Andrey !
* Oäíàæäû, 19 Aug 98 â 16:16,
* îò Andrey Tretjakov äëÿ Denis Moujjoukhin áûëî íàïèñàíî íèæecëeäyþùee:
DM>> À ïî÷åìó àëãîpèòì Õàôôìàíà èñïîëüçóåòñÿ påæå LZ? Håóæåëè îí õóæå æìåò?
DM>> Hèêòî íå ïpîáîâàë åãî "äîäåëàòü"?
AT> ýòî ñîâåpøåííî pàçíûå âåùè !
AT> è èìõî "äîäåëàòü" õàôôàìàíà íåëüçÿ - îí è òàê îïòèìàëåí :)
â ëþáîì ñëó÷àå ïpè êîìïpåññèè ïîòîê äàííûõ pàçáèâàåòñÿ íà ÷àñòè è êàæäàÿ
÷àñòü ïàêóåòñÿ îòäåëüíî. êàê ñëåäñòâèå îïòèìàëüíîñòü áóäåò çàâèñåòü îò òîãî íà
ñêîëüêî êà÷åñòâåííî òû áóäåøü îïpåäåëÿòü íà÷àëî íîâîãî áëîêà, ò.å. ñîçäàíèå
íîâîãî êîäà. (èëè òû ñîáèpàåøñÿ ïàêîâàòü âåñü ïîòîê îäíèì êîäîì, èëè
äèíàìè÷åñêè
êîppåêòèpîâàòü êîä?)
btw: à õàôìàí ñ äèíàìè÷åñêèì êîäîì påëèçîâàí ãäå-íèáóäü?
ByeBye... Ñ yâàæåíèåì Minsk, 27 Aug 98, 21:57
Philips [ ÔÏÌÈ Team ]
--- å òîpîïèñü, à òî óñïååøü | Îïîçäàòü íèêîãäà íå ïîçäíî
* Origin: Philips AKA Igor Philippov (2:450/129.13)
— RU.COMPRESS
From : Aleksei Pogorily 2:5020/1504 27 Aug 98 22:06:25
To : Eugene Mironchuk
Subj : À íèêòî íå ñëûøàë ïðî íîâóþ âåðñèþ JAR???
Ïpèâåò, Eugene!
Îäíàæäû (ñpåäà, 26 àâã. 1998, 19:32) Eugene Mironchuk wrote to Vladimir
Kalashnikov:
EM>>> Ëy÷øå. ×åì äîñîâñêèé RAR - òî÷íî. À WinRAR - ýòî òîpìîç.
VK>> Òû påãèñòpèpîâàòü (êpÿêîì) ïpîáîâàë ? Ñêîpîñòü pàçà â 3-4 ïîâûøàåòñÿ.
EM> À êòî áû ìíå êpÿê ìûëîì ïîäêèíyë ?:)
Hå áåpè â ãîëîâó. ß ïpîâåpèë - ñêîpîñòü îñòàåòñÿ pîâíî òà æå.
Ñ óâàæåíèåì Aleksei [mailto:pogorily@module.vympel.msk.ru]
Àëåêñåé Ïîãîðèëûé
--- GoldED/W32 2.51.A1026 UNREG
* Origin: Home of Fire (7-095)421-1201 MO 23:00-08:00 MSK (2:5020/1504)
— RU.COMPRESS
From : Artem Tepponen 2:5038/1.9 27 Aug 98 22:36:07
To : Maxim Elkin
Subj : huffman
Hi, Maxim!
At 27 Aug 98 00:39:26, Maxim Elkin wrote to Artem Tepponen:
AT>> È ñêîðåå âñåãî íå óâèäèøü. :( Èáî ñ áîëüøîé âåðîÿòíîñòüþ ïîëó÷èøü
AT>> "Arithmetic Coding not supported", (íàïðèìåð PhotoShop 4 òàêîå ìíå
AT>> îòêîëîë)
ME> Î ïàòåíòîâàííîñòè àëãîpèòìîâ àpèôìåòè÷åñêîãî êîäèpîâàíèÿ äëÿ JPEG
ME> ÿ, êîíå÷íî, íàñëûøàí... :-( Hî íåóæåëè çàïàòåíòîâàíû àëãîpèòìû
ME> pàñïàêîâêè?
×åðò åãî çíàåò, ìîæåò è íå çàïàòåíòîâàíû, õîòÿ çàõîòåëè-æå áðàòü
ëèöåíçèîííóþ ïëàòó çà _ïðîñìîòðùèêè_ GIF, íàñêîëüêî ÿ ïîìíþ.
Äåëî â òîì, ÷òî çàïàòåíòîâàòü ýòî _ìîæíî_. Êàêàÿ ðàçíèöà -
çàïàêîâùèê èëè ðàñïàêîâùèê? Îáà "ïðåîáðàçîâàòåëè ôîðìàòà". ;)
ME> Åñëè äàæå äà, êàê ìîæíî äîêàçàòü, ÷òî èìåÿ ñïåöèôèêàöèþ
ME> ôîpìàòà, ÿ íå ñàì ïpèäóìàë "äàííûé òîpìîçíîé pàñïàêîâùèê". Èëè
ME> ñïåöèôèêàöèÿ ôîpìàòà JPEG ARI òàêæå çàïàòåíòîâàíà? Òàäû îé ;-)
À ýòî íå ïîòðåáóåòñÿ äîêàçûâàòü. Ïàòåíò-ñ-ñ.
Artem
--- QDed-3.57 for FreeBSD-2.2.5
* Origin: Don't worry, be happy (2:5038/1.9)
— RU.COMPRESS
From : Vyacheslav Lakomkin 2:5025/37.80 28 Aug 98 00:30:00
To : Andrew Filinsky
Subj : Re: Håêèé àpõèâàòîp
Ïpèâåòñòâóþ òåáÿ, Andrew!
Òóò ïèñüìî îò Bulat Ziganshin äëÿ Andrew Filinsky ïðîõîäèëî
(27/08/98 â 10:48) :
AF> Hañêîëüêî èíòåpåñåí apõèâaòîp, paçìåp apõèâa êîòîpîãî ía 4-6% ìåíüøå,
AF> ÷åì paçìåp apõèâa ó RAR äëÿ DOS? Ýòî ñîîòíîøåíèå âûïîëíÿåòñÿ äëÿ
AF> òåêñòîâûõ è èñïîëíÿåìûõ ôaéëîâ. Äëÿ îñòaëüíûõ ôaéëîâ îíî ìîæåò áûòü
AF> íåñêîëüêî èíûì.
BZ> Hañòîëüêî æå, íañêîëüêî è winrar, ace, cabarc, imp è åùå êó÷a
BZ> aðõèâaòîðîâ ñ áîëüøèì ñëîâaðåì.
Äa òóò âîïðîñ ãëóáæå!
Âîí â Èíòåðíåòå ëåæèò íåñëaáûõ ðaçìåðîâ òåñòèðîâaíèå ïîä äåâèçîì "Äëÿ òåõ,
êîãî äóøèò æaáa".
 îáùåì, öèòaòa:
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*********** ARCHIVE COMPARISON TEST (A.C.T.) - JULY 1997 ************
* Author: JEFF GILCHRIST <jeffg@nbnet.nb.ca> *
* A.C.T. released since September 1992. *
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A.C.T. is now on the World Wide Web (WWW)! It can be accessed at:
(CANADA) http://personal.nbnet.nb.ca/jeffg/act.html
(USA) http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Park/4264/act.html
[ îáðaáîòaíî ñêèïåðîì ]
Timing is displayed in the format: minutes:seconds.tenths_of_a_second
PART 1 - SINGLE FILE TESTS
TEXT File Test - Uncompressed Size 768,771 bytes
CREATION
ARCHIVER SWITCHES TIME COMPRESSED SIZE RATIO
-------- -------- -------- --------------- -----
RKIVE 1.4 -mt 1:01.8 219,676 bytes 71.4%
ACB 2.00c (u)f 4:02.7 222,694 bytes 71.0%
WinRAR 2.01 -m5 -md512 1:50.2 279,704 bytes 63.6%
ACE 0.9f2 -m5 -d1024 0:36.6 292,359 bytes 62.0%
RAR 2.01 -m5 0:30.5 301,306 bytes 60.8%
PKZIP 2.04g -ex 0:15.1 312,604 bytes 59.3%
ARJ 2.55b -jm -e 0:17.9 318,939 bytes 58.5%
EXE File Test - Uncompressed Size 425,488 bytes
CREATION
ARCHIVER SWITCHES TIME COMPRESSED SIZE RATIO
-------- -------- -------- --------------- -----
RKIVE 1.4 -mb 0:30.2 92,203 bytes 78.3%
ACB 2.00c (u)f 1:10.4 95,488 bytes 77.6%
ACE 0.9f2 -m5 -d512 0:11.1 95,875 bytes 77.5%
RAR 2.01 -m5 0:15.1 98,576 bytes 76.8%
WinRAR 2.01 -m5 -md256 0:21.5 98,734 bytes 76.8%
PKZIP 2.04g -ex 0:06.7 104,249 bytes 75.5%
ARJ 2.55b -jm -e 0:15.3 104,976 bytes 75.3%
669 File Test - (8 bit, 8 Channel) Uncompressed Size 1,314,481 bytes
CREATION
ARCHIVER SWITCHES TIME COMPRESSED SIZE RATIO
-------- -------- -------- --------------- -----
RKIVE 1.4 -mf 1:58.5 589,446 bytes 55.2%
WinRAR 2.01 -m5 -mm -md1024 0:40.6 591,827 bytes 55.0%
RAR 2.01 -m5 -mm 0:24.4 592,549 bytes 54.9%
ACB 2.00c (u)f 8:42.3 619,866 bytes 52.8%
ACE 0.9f2 -m5 -d1024 0:48.5 761,879 bytes 42.0%
PKZIP 2.04g -ex 0:28.2 774,780 bytes 41.1%
ARJ 2.55b -e 0:22.4 780,605 bytes 40.6%
BMP File Test - (24bit, 620x300x16M) Uncompressed Size 558,054 bytes
CREATION
ARCHIVER SWITCHES TIME COMPRESSED SIZE RATIO
-------- -------- -------- --------------- -----
RKIVE 1.4 -mtx 1:05.4 176,883 bytes 68.3%
ACB 2.00c (u)f 2:29.5 216,909 bytes 61.1%
RAR 2.01 -m5 -mmf 0:09.0 230,450 bytes 58.7%
WinRAR 2.01 -mmf -md256 0:09.7 230,463 bytes 58.7%
ACE 0.9f2 -m5 -d512 0:14.3 255,143 bytes 54.3%
PKZIP 2.04g -ex 0:09.7 270,073 bytes 51.6%
ARJ 2.55b -jm -e 0:12.0 273,371 bytes 51.0%
PART 2 - MULTIPLE FILE TESTS
21 files totalling 3,255,838 bytes
(the original files from the Calgary Corpus archive)
EXTRACT COMPRESS
ARCHIVER SWITCHES TIME TIME COMPRESSED SIZE RATIO
-------- -------- ------- -------- --------------- -----
ACB 2.00c (u)f 14:50.5 14:29.6 795,714 bytes 75.6%
RKIVE 1.4 -mtx 3:37.8 6:11.2 818,705 bytes 74.9%
WinRAR 2.01 -m5-mm-md1024-s 0:11.1 7:31.4 948,230 bytes 70.9%
ACE 0.9f2 -m5 -d1024 -s 0:20.6 1:29.6 990,241 bytes 69.6%
RAR 2.01 -m5 -mm -s 0:17.3 1:45.8 1,011,311 bytes 68.9%
PKZIP 2.04g -ex 0:12.1 0:53.0 1,065,291 bytes 67.3%
ARJ 2.55b -jm -e 0:16.3 1:08.8 1,081,242 bytes 66.8%
126 small TEXT files totalling 1,410,124 bytes
EXTRACT COMPRESS
ARCHIVER SWITCHES TIME TIME COMPRESSED SIZE RATIO
-------- -------- ------- -------- --------------- -----
ACB 2.00c (u)f 4:34.4 4:04.3 255,696 bytes 81.9%
RKIVE 1.4 -mtx 1:27.4 1:52.1 261,029 bytes 81.5%
WinRAR 2.01 -m5-md1024-s 0:10.1 2:16.7 308,592 bytes 78.1%
ACE 0.9f2 -m5 -d1024 -s 0:33.5 0:41.0 323,302 bytes 77.1%
RAR 2.01 -m5 -s 0:26.7 0:42.5 338,585 bytes 76.0%
ARJ 2.55b -e 0:33.9 0:20.5 445,261 bytes 68.4%
PKZIP 2.04g -ex 0:22.7 0:15.5 446,734 bytes 68.3%
OPTIONS LIST
MULTI MIN. WIN95
DISK AUTH. 'SOLID' DATA CPU/ LONG
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ACB 2.00c X X-??? A X 486/16
ACE 0.9f2 X X X-BLFSH X X X X 386/2
ARJ 2.55b X X X-GOST X X x86 X
PKZIP 2.04g X X X-??? X x86
RAR 2.01 X X X-??? X X X X x86
WINRAR 2.01 X X X-??? X X X X 386/2 X
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-= JEFF GILCHRIST =- (New Brunswick, Canada)
- Author Of A.C.T. - Internet: jeffg@nbnet.nb.ca
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Kîíåö öèòaòû. Â ðóññêîì îòäåëå ýòîé êîíòîðû òaáëèöa ïðîòåñòèðîâaííûõ
aðõèâaòîðîâ çaíèìaåò ýêðaía ÷åòûðå. È ÷å òîëêó?
Ó ëèäåðîâ ýòèõ òåñòîâ õâaòaåò òaêèõ òîíêîñòåé, êîòîðûé ïðaêòè÷åñêè îáåñöåíèâaþò
èõ âïå÷aòëÿþùóþ ñîùíîñòü óïaêîâêè. Haïðèìåð, ACB ðaáîòaåò òîëüêî â ÄÎÑ, a RKIVE
òðåáóåò, ÷òîáû åìó äaëè íå ìåíåå 15 ìåòðîâ DPMI. Kðîìå òîãî, è ó òîãî, è ó
äðóãîãî åñòü íåêîòîðûå ñëîæíîñòè ïðè óïaêîâêå, ñêaæåì, äèñòðèáóòèâîâ - ìíîãèå
íå óìåþò aäåêâaòíî ñîõðaíÿòü ñòðóêòóðó êaòaëîãîâ.
Kòî æ ía ðåaëüíîé ñèñòåìå áóäåò èìè ïîëüçîâaòüñÿ? Äa è ça÷åì? ×òîáû âûèãðaòü
50-100-êèëîáaéò ñ ìåãaáaéòa, çaòðaòèâ â âîñåìü-äåñÿòü ðaç áîëüøå âðåìåíè,
ïîëó÷èâ çaìåòíûå íåóäîáñòâa â ðaáîòå, çaâåäîìî ïîëîæèâ ía ñîâìåñòèìîñòü ñ
îñòaëüíûì ìèðîì è ðèñêóÿ íaïîðîòüñÿ ía íåîæèäaííûå ãðaáëè â ïëaíå íaäåæíîñòè?
Ìíå äóìaåòñÿ, óñïåõ òóò ëåæèò â êîìïëåêñå "ñæaòèå+ñêîðîñòü+ñåðâèñíîñòü" (ñì.
âûøå Options List; êñòaòè, òaì îøèáî÷íî óêaçaíî, ÷òî ACE íå ïîääåðæèâaåò
äëèííûõ èìåí).
Kñòaòè, íaðîä, a íå îáñóäèòü ëè ðaçíîñòîðîííå íaì ýòî íåìaëåíüêèé ñïèñîê?
Ãëÿäèøü, íîâûé ìåãaðóëåç âûáåðåì :)
Âîò è âñ¸, ñîáñòâåííî.
Äî ñâèäaíèÿ,
Âÿ÷åñëaâ.
--- TM-Ed 1.13a
* Origin: -= Default origin =- (2:5025/37.80)
— RU.COMPRESS
From : Andrew Filinsky 2:452/4.11 28 Aug 98 13:36:40
To : All
Subj : PPMZ
Çäpàâñòâóé, All!
À íå ïîäñêàæåò ëè ïèïë, ÷åì ìåòîä PPMZ îòëè÷àåòñÿ îò ìåòîäîâ PPMA, PPMB èëè
PPMC?
- ---
Ñ ìîèõ ñëîâ çàïèñàíî âåpíî. Andrew Filinsky.
---
* Origin: > AIServer & Natural Language Robot is placed here > (2:452/4.11)
— RU.COMPRESS
From : Vadim Vygovsky 2:5022/12.8 30 Aug 98 00:29:28
To : Vadim Yoockin
Subj : A.C.T. september 1998 1/7
Hello, Vadim!
Ïÿòíèöà Àâãóñò 28 1998 21:09, Vadim Yoockin wrote to All:
VY> Ïpèâåòñòâóþ, All!
VY> Ðàç Âàäèì Âûãîâñêèé â îòïóñêå, äóìàþ, íå áóäåò áîëüøîãî ãðåõà, åñëè
VY> çàêèíó ñþäà ñâåæåíüêèé ACT.
ß óæå âûøåë, íî íå ìîã áû òû ïðîäîëæàòü ïîñòèòü ACT è äàëüøå, áî ÿ â áëèæàéøèå
íåñêîëüêî ìåñÿöåâ íå áóäó èìåòü ê íåìó äîñòóïà?
WBR, Vadim
--- Îãëîåä 3.00.Beta5+
* Origin: ×ëåí ëèãè Êîìïðåññóàëüíûõ Èçâðàùåíöåâ (2:5022/12.8)
— RU.COMPRESS
From : Vladimir Kalashnikov 2:461/133.69 30 Aug 98 00:41:00
To : Igor Philippov
Subj : <none>
. . .êòî ïîìíèò âñå èìåíà? Äîáðîãî ìãíîâåíèÿ, Igor!
Îäíàæäû ×åòâåðã Àâãóñò 27 1998 â 18:56,
Igor Philippov ïèñàë Andrey Tretjakov:
IP> btw: à õàôìàí ñ äèíàìè÷åñêèì êîäîì påëèçîâàí ãäå-íèáóäü?
Êàê ìèíèìóì ÿ âñòpå÷àë (â ôîpìàòå îäíîé áàçû äàííûõ). Ìîé ñèøíûé pàñïàêîâùèê
pàáîòàë ñî ñêîpîñòüþ RAR'a. Ñòîèò çàìåòèòü ÷òî äèíàìè÷åñêèé õàôôìàí
îòñòàåò îò èçìåí÷èâîñòè äàííûõ, à âûáîp áëîêà äëÿ ñòàòè÷åñêîãî
õàôôìàíà çàäà÷à âåñüìà íåòpèâèàëüíàÿ, òàê ÷òî âûáîp... ×åpò åãî çíàåò.
Äèíàìè÷åñêîìó õàôôìàíó êàê ìèíèìóì äåpåâî íå íóæíî. Hó à åñëè åùå
ñïåö-êîäû èñïîëüçîâàòü...
Ñ óâàæåíèåì, Vladimir Kalashnikov
--- GoldED 2.42.G0214+
* Origin: Âñå îíè â êîæàíûõ êóðòêàõ, âñå íåáîëüøîãî ðîñòà. . . (2:461/133.69)
— RU.COMPRESS
From : Dmitry Petrenko 2:5083/777.13 30 Aug 98 15:03:00
To : All
Subj : Håêèé àpõèâàòîp
Hullo there, All!
One dark night you wrote a letter for Andrew Filinsky:
VL> È ÷å òîëêó? Ó ëèäåðîâ ýòèõ òåñòîâ õâaòaåò òaêèõ òîíêîñòåé, êîòîðûé
VL> ïðaêòè÷åñêè îáåñöåíèâaþò èõ âïå÷aòëÿþùóþ ñîùíîñòü óïaêîâêè. Haïðèìåð,
VL> ACB ðaáîòaåò òîëüêî â ÄÎÑ,
Âî-ïåpâûõ, íå òîëüêî â dos, à âî-âòîpûõ, íàñêîëüêî ÿ çíàþ íèêîãäà íå
âûïóñêàëîñü ïîëíîöåííîé âåpñèè ýòîãî àpõèâàòîpà. Ýòî ïpîñòî ÷òî-òî âpîäå ñýìïëà
èñïîëüçîâàíèÿ àëãîpèòìà ñæàòèÿ ACB, pàçpàáîòàííîãî åãî àâòîpîì.
VL> a RKIVE òðåáóåò, ÷òîáû åìó äaëè íå ìåíåå 15 ìåòðîâ DPMI.
À âîò ÷òî çà PKIVE? ß íèêîãäà î íåì íå ñëûøàë.. Èíòåpåñíî, ìîæåò êòî-íèáóäü
pàññêàæåò ÷òî ýòî çà àpõâåp, ÷åé îí, êàêèå ìåòîäû ñæàòèÿ â íåì èñïîëüçîâàíû. Óæ
áîëüíî êpóò îí ïîëó÷àåòñÿ - âî ìíîãèõ ñëó÷àÿõ îáõîäèò ACB
VL> ñòðóêòóðó êaòaëîãîâ. Kòî æ ía ðåaëüíîé ñèñòåìå áóäåò èìè ïîëüçîâaòüñÿ?
VL> Äa è ça÷åì? ×òîáû âûèãðaòü 50-100-êèëîáaéò ñ ìåãaáaéòa, çaòðaòèâ â
100Kb ñ ìåãàáàéòà - ýòî î÷åíü ìíîãî
See you on the other side,
Dmitry
... iR0N MAiDEN
--- EdLin for Windows 98, v2.50+
* Origin: PREDAt0R's Station, (dmitry.petrenko@usa.net) aka (2:5083/777.13)
— RU.COMPRESS
From : Sergey Shakhov 2:5013/11.24 30 Aug 98 16:59:45
To : Vyacheslav Lakomkin
Subj : Re: Håêèé àpõèâàòîp
Hello Vyacheslav.
28 Aug 98 00:30, Vyacheslav Lakomkin wrote to Andrew Filinsky:
VL> Âîí â Èíòåðíåòå ëåæèò íåñëaáûõ ðaçìåðîâ òåñòèðîâaíèå ïîä äåâèçîì "Äëÿ òåõ,
VL> êîãî äóøèò æaáa".
VL> Kñòaòè, íaðîä, a íå îáñóäèòü ëè ðaçíîñòîðîííå íaì ýòî
VL> íåìaëåíüêèé ñïèñîê? Ãëÿäèøü, íîâûé ìåãaðóëåç âûáåðåì :)
Èäåÿ õîpîøàÿ, ÿ èìåþ ââèäó îáñóæäåíèå íîpìàëüíûõ ñóùåñòâóþùèõ
àpõèâåpîâ, âìåñòî áîëòîâíè íà òåìó "êàê ÿ ùàñ óçíàþ êàê æàòü
èíôîpìàöèþ è íàïèøó àpõèâåp êpó÷å âñåõ". :-)
Òpè ìîìåíòà âûçûâàþò íåäîóìåíèå.
1. Îáúåì òåñòîâûõ ôàéëîâ. Îí ïpîñòî ìèçåpåí. ß ïîíèìàþ ëþäè
ýêîíîìÿò ñâîå âpåìÿ è ìåñòî íà âèíòå, íî äàæå êîãäà ÿ ïpîâîäèë
"äîìàøíèå èñïûòàíèÿ" òî ñ÷åë íåîáõîäèìûì æàòü äåñÿòêè ìåãîâ
êàæäîãî òèïà ôàéëîâ. Ýòî ïpîñòî íåîáõîäèìî äëÿ èñêëþ÷åíèÿ
âëèÿíèÿ íåîäíîpîäíîñòè èíôîpìàöèè.
2. Äîñîâûå è âèíäîâûå àpõèâåpû äîëæíû Îáÿçàòåëüíî òåñòèpîâàòüñÿ
îòäåëüíî èç-çà pàçíîãî ópîâíÿ èñïîëüçîâàíèÿ àïïàpàòíûõ âîçìîæíîñòåé,
ìîæåò äàæå èìååò ñìûñë îòêàçàòüñÿ îò äîñà êàê ïëàòôîpìû?
3. Ñëàáî èñïîëüçóþòñÿ ñâèò÷è, íåêîòîpûì àpõèâàòîpàì íà ýòî ïî÷òè
ïëåâàòü, pàáîòà äpóãèõ æå ñèëüíî çàâèñèò îò ýòîãî.
Sergey
--- E-mail: Shakhov@mmk.ru
* Origin: Zweifl'ob lugen Kann die Wahrheit (FidoNet 2:5013/11.24)
— RU.COMPRESS
From : Vadim Yoockin 2:5020/1042.50 30 Aug 98 20:51:45
To : Igor Philippov
Subj : Re: <none>
Ïpèâåòñòâóþ, Igor!
27 Aug 98, Igor Philippov ïèñàë ê Andrey Tretjakov:
IP> btw: à õàôìàí ñ äèíàìè÷åñêèì êîäîì påëèçîâàí ãäå-íèáóäü?
 RAR 1.XX, íàïðèìåð.
Âñåãî äîáðîãî. Vadim Yoockin
... 2.000.000 Lemmings can't be wrong.
--- Ñòàpûé Äåä ñòîèìîñòüþ 3.00.Alpha4 äîïëàòà â ÑÊÂ UNREG
* Origin: mail to yoockinv@aha.ru (2:5020/1042.50)
— RU.COMPRESS
From : Vadim Yoockin 2:5020/1042.50 30 Aug 98 20:53:27
To : Andrew Filinsky
Subj : PPMZ
Ïpèâåòñòâóþ, Andrew!
28 Aug 98, Andrew Filinsky ïèñàë ê All:
AF> À íå ïîäñêàæåò ëè ïèïë, ÷åì ìåòîä PPMZ îòëè÷àåòñÿ îò ìåòîäîâ PPMA, PPMB
AF> èëè PPMC?
Ãëàâíûì îáðàçîì ãëóáèíîé êîíòåêñòà (8) è ñòðàòåãèåé óõîäîâ.
Âñåãî äîáðîãî. Vadim Yoockin
... 2.000.000 Lemmings can't be wrong.
--- Ñòàpûé Äåä ñòîèìîñòüþ 3.00.Alpha4 äîïëàòà â ÑÊÂ UNREG
* Origin: mail to yoockinv@aha.ru (2:5020/1042.50)
— RU.COMPRESS
From : Bulat Ziganshin 2:5093/26 31 Aug 98 02:18:50
To : Vadim Yoockin
Subj : ...
*** Answering a msg posted in area CARBON_COPIES (CARBON_COPIES).
* Crossposted in RU.COMPRESS
Hello Vadim!
Sunday August 30 1998, Vadim Yoockin writes to Bulat Ziganshin:
BZ>>  òàêîì ñëó÷àå, ÀÔÀÈÊ, òîðìîçà â ìèêðîñîôòå ïàêóþò ñòàðûì
BZ>> êàáàðêîì, êîå-êòî - íîâûì. Ðàðîâñêèõ äèñòðèáóòîâ îò íèõ ÿ ëè÷íî
BZ>> íå âèäåë.
VY> À òîò, êîòîðûé òû èçó÷àë, 1.00.0601 - ýòî ñòàðûé èëè íîâûé?
Ñòàðûé - ýòî mszip, ìíîãèå äèñòðèáóòèâû äî ñèõ ïîð â íåì.
VY> Hèãäå îí, êñòàòè, áîëüøå íå âñïëûâàë ïîñëå /workshop/prog/cab?
ß åãî ïîëó÷èë îò Èãîðÿ Ïàâëîâà ;)
Bulat, bulatz@fort.tatarstan.ru, ICQ: ðàá. 11849833, äîì. 15872722
--- GoldED/386 2.50+
* Origin: Tea&Company club BBS (Star Empire BBS) (2:5093/26)
— RU.COMPRESS
From : Andrew Filinsky 2:452/4.11 31 Aug 98 20:28:24
To : Vadim Yoockin
Subj : PPMZ
-++++++¬ Ñ ãîpÿ÷èì ýëåêòpîííûì ïpèâåòîì!
LTTTTTT- Îäíàæäû Vadim Yoockin íàïèñàë ê Andrew Filinsky:
AF> À íå ïîäñêàæåò ëè ïèïë, ÷åì ìåòîä PPMZ îòëè÷àåòñÿ îò ìåòîäîâ PPMA, PPMB
AF> èëè PPMC?
VY> Ãëàâíûì îápàçîì ãëóáèíîé êîíòåêñòà (8) è ñòpàòåãèåé óõîäîâ.
À èçâåñòíà ëè ñòpàòåãèÿ óõîäîâ â ìåòîäå PPMZ? Håëüçÿ ëè èçëîæèòü åå â ñpàâíåíèè
ñ ìåòîäîì PPMC?
- ---
Ñ ìîèõ ñëîâ çàïèñàíî âåpíî. Andrew Filinsky.
---
* Origin: > AIServer & Natural Language Robot is placed here > (2:452/4.11)
— RU.COMPRESS
From : Vyacheslav Lakomkin 2:5025/37.80 31 Aug 98 21:23:20
To : Sergey Shakhov
Subj : Re: Håêèé àpõèâàòîp
Ïpèâåòñòâóþ òåáÿ, Sergey!
Òóò ïèñüìî îò Sergey Shakhov äëÿ Vyacheslav Lakomkin ïðîõîäèëî
(30/08/98 â 19:00) :
VL> Kñòaòè, íaðîä, a íå îáñóäèòü ëè ðaçíîñòîðîííå íaì ýòî
VL> íåìaëåíüêèé ñïèñîê? Ãëÿäèøü, íîâûé ìåãaðóëåç âûáåðåì :)
SS> Èäåÿ õîpîøaÿ, ÿ èìåþ ââèäó îáñóæäåíèå íîpìaëüíûõ ñóùåñòâóþùèõ
SS> apõèâåpîâ, âìåñòî áîëòîâíè ía òåìó "êaê ÿ ùañ óçíaþ êaê æaòü
SS> èíôîpìaöèþ è íaïèøó apõèâåp êpó÷å âñåõ". :-)
ß ïîääåðæèâaþ, êîãäa ìåíÿ ïîääåðæèâaþò! :)
SS> Òpè ìîìåíòa âûçûâaþò íåäîóìåíèå.
SS> 1. Îáúåì òåñòîâûõ ôaéëîâ. Îí ïpîñòî ìèçåpåí. ß ïîíèìaþ ëþäè
SS> ýêîíîìÿò ñâîå âpåìÿ è ìåñòî ía âèíòå, íî äaæå êîãäa ÿ ïpîâîäèë
SS> "äîìaøíèå èñïûòaíèÿ" òî ñ÷åë íåîáõîäèìûì æaòü äåñÿòêè ìåãîâ
SS> êaæäîãî òèïa ôaéëîâ. Ýòî ïpîñòî íåîáõîäèìî äëÿ èñêëþ÷åíèÿ
SS> âëèÿíèÿ íåîäíîpîäíîñòè èíôîpìaöèè.
Ãì... Öèòaòa:
" Òåñò ôaéëa ïðîèçâîäèëñÿ ía ÏK 486DX4-75 ñ 20'þ ìåãaáaéòaìè RAM...
Ôaéëû ñæèìaëèñü ñ âèí÷åñòåða â 2'õ-ìåãaáaéòíûé RAM-äèñê."
È ïðè ýòîì îòäåëüíûå ðåêîðñìåíû èç ÷èñëa òåñòèðóåìûõ êðóòèëèñü
ïîëòîða-äâa ÷aña:
"Âðåìÿ óêaçaíî â ôîðìaòå: ìèíóòû:ñåêóíäû.äåñÿòûå_äîëè_ñåêóíäû
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Ðaçíîôîðìaòíûé Òåñò - Håçaïaêîâaííûé ðaçìåð ôaéëa 3,255,838 áaéò
Âðåìÿ Âðåìÿ
Àðõèâaòîð Ïaðaìåòðû ðañæaòèÿ ñæaòèÿ Ñæaòûé ðaçìåð Kîýô-ò
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777 0.04b1 -mg -mu16 13:43.1 29:29.8 836,817 bytes 74.3%
> LZAP 0.20.0+TAR (none) 53:08.5 49:19.0 901,520 bytes 72.3%
> QUANTUM 0.97 -c7 -t20 1:11.6 135:27.5 905,520 bytes 72.2%
QUANTUM 0.97 -c5 1:13.1 37:59.2 934,429 bytes 71.3%
UC2 v3.0 PRO o25 (Max) 0:16.0 94:51.3 1,022,160 bytes 68.6%
"
(Âûäåëåíî ìíîþ - V.L.).
È ó÷èòûâaÿ äëèíó ñïèñêa ïðîòåñòèðîâaííûõ aðõèâåðîâ, òåñòåða ìîæíî ïîíÿòü.
Õîòÿ ëè÷íî äëÿ ìåíÿ âûøåîòêâî÷åííûå ôåíîìåíû ïðîñòî íå ñóùåñòâóþò, ðaâíî êaê
ïðaêòè÷åñêè íå èíòåðåñåí aðõèâaòîð, äaþùèé õîðîøèé ðåçóëüòaò, íî òðåáóþùèé äëÿ
ñâîåé ðaáîòû _ìèíèìaëüíî_ 16 ìåòðîâ îïåðaòèâêè; ëèáî ðaáîòaþùèé òîëüêî ïîä
HIMEM ( è ÷òîá íèêaêèõ EMM'îâ è QEMM'îâ ía äóõ íå áûëî) - ïîòîìó ÷òî íå áóäó ÿ
êaæäûé ðaç ïåðåãðóæaòüñÿ â native DOS, ÷òîáû äåñÿòîê ôaéëîâ aðõèâíóòü. È âðÿä
ëè áóäó ïîâñåäíåâíî êðóòèòü aðõèâaòîð, íå óìåþùèé ñòîðèòü â ñâîåì aðõèâå
ñòðóêòóðó êaòaëîãîâ - èáî èì íåëüçÿ çaêðóòèòü íè äèñòðèáóòèâ, íè èãðóøêó.
À â ïîñëåäíåå âðåìÿ íañòîëüêî aêòóaëüía ñòaëa ðaáîòa ñ äëèííûìè èìåíaìè, ÷òî
õîòü âñå ïðèâû÷êè ìåíÿé.
Âîò ÿ è õî÷ó âûÿñíèòü, íå ñîçðåë ëè All äëÿ ñìåíû ñòaíäaðòa?
SS> 2. Äîñîâûå è âèíäîâûå apõèâåpû äîëæíû Îáÿçaòåëüíî òåñòèpîâaòüñÿ
SS> îòäåëüíî èç-ça paçíîãî ópîâíÿ èñïîëüçîâaíèÿ aïïapaòíûõ âîçìîæíîñòåé,
SS> ìîæåò äaæå èìååò ñìûñë îòêaçaòüñÿ îò äîña êaê ïëaòôîpìû?
Ïîêa åùå íå âñå ñðåäè íañ - ïðaâîâåðíûå ;)
È ÄÎÑ - ýòî òî ìåñòî, ãäå ìû âñå åäèíû ;)
Õîòÿ âîí ZIP è RAR åñòü äëÿ âñåõ îñíîâíûõ ñðåä: DOS, Windows, OS/2, *nix è äaæå
Mac.
È, ïîâòîðþñü, aðõèâaòîð, íå ðaáîòaþùèé â îêíå Windows, èìååò, ïî-ìîåìó, ìaëî
øaíñîâ.
SS> 3. Ñëaáî èñïîëüçóþòñÿ ñâèò÷è, íåêîòîpûì apõèâaòîpaì ía ýòî ïî÷òè
SS> ïëåâaòü, paáîòa äpóãèõ æå ñèëüíî çaâèñèò îò ýòîãî.
Óãó.
Hó òaê ÷òî, ïðîäîëæaåì ðaçãîâîð?
Âîò è âñ¸, ñîáñòâåííî.
Äî ñâèäaíèÿ,
Âÿ÷åñëaâ.
--- TM-Ed 1.13a
* Origin: -= Default origin =- (2:5025/37.80)
— RU.COMPRESS
From : Maxime Zakharov 2:5020/400 01 Sep 98 10:34:02
To : All
Subj : Re: êîäû Ýëèàñà
From: Maxime Zakharov <mbb@sochi.ru>
Max Smirnov wrote:
> All íå â êópñå, ÷òî èç ñåáÿ ïpåäñòàâëÿåò ñàáæ?
Ñêîðåå âñåãî èìåþòñÿ â âèäó ïðåôèêñíûå êîäû äëÿ êîäèðîâàíèÿ
ïðîèçâîëüíûõ öåëûõ ÷èñåë.
--- ifmail v.2.14dev2
* Origin: Mosbusinessbank, Sochi branch (2:5020/400@fidonet)
— RU.COMPRESS
From : Alexandr Molchevsky 2:4656/6.2 01 Sep 98 13:05:47
To : Max Smirnov
Subj : <none>
Ïpèâåò, Max!
Ñpåäà Àâãyñò 19 1998, Max Smirnov íàïèñàë Vadim Yoockin ñëåäyþùåå:
MS>>> Ïî÷åìy íå ïîëüçyåòñÿ ïîïyëÿpíîñòüþ êîíòåêñòíî-îãpàíè÷åííîå
MS>>> ìîäåëèpîâàíèå? Êàê ÿ ïîíèìàþ, èç èçâåñòíûõ àpõèâàòîpîâ
MS>>> êîíòåêñòíûé ìåòîä (ppmc?) èñïîëüçyåòñÿ òîëüêî â ha.
VY>> Ñìîòpÿ, êîìy èçâåñòíûõ. À rkive, boa, ufa, x1, arhangel...?
MS> ^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^
MS> À ýòî ÷òî òàêîå?
MS> Èìåëîñü ââèäy 'øèpîêî èçâåñòíûõ è àêòèâíî èñïîëüçyåìûõ'. Ïåpå÷èñëåííûå
MS> òîáîé - ýòî ýêçîòèêà.
À ïî÷åìy, ñîáñòâåííî ãîâîpÿ íå èñïîëüçyåòñÿ? IMHO â ñâîåé îáëàñòè - ñæàòèå
òåêñòîâ - HÀ èñïîëüçyåòñÿ äîâîëüíî øèpîêî. Ó ìåíÿ y ñàìîãî âñÿ áèáëèîòåêà
yïàêîâàíà HÀ. Åäèíñòâåííîå ïî÷åìy åãî ïpèìåíåíèå îãpàíè÷åíî òàê ýòî ïî òîìy ÷òî
y íåãî äîâîëüíî ñêpîìíûå ïîêàçàòåëè ïpè ñæàòèè íå òåêñòîâ è î÷åíü íåáîëüøàÿ
ñêîpîñòü pàñïàêîâêè. À ïpè ñîâpåíåííûõ pàçìåpàõ âèí÷åñòåpîâ ìíîãèì ïpîùå
ïîæåpòâîâàòü ïàpy ìåãàáàéò ÷åì ÷àñàìè æäàòü ïîêà îíî pàñïàêyåòñÿ, îñîáåííî åñëè
èíôîpìàöèÿ òpåáyåò ÷àñòîé pàñïàêîâêè.
P.S. Êñòàòè à y êîãî åñòü ëèòåpàòypà ïî àpõèâàöèè äàííûõ? Èíòåpåñyåò êàê
òåîpèÿ òàê è êîíêpåòíûå påàëèçàöèè.
Âñåãî õîpîøåãî, Alexandr.
Äîëîæèòü î íàëè÷èè ëþäåé! Êòî íå âñå, òîãî íàêàæåì.
--- goldDEAD 2.50+
* Origin: Hàäåæíûé ïàíê - yñòîé÷èâûé ïàíê ! // Ìîñêîâñêèé Ãîpîäñ (2:4656/6.2)
— RU.COMPRESS
From : Vyacheslav Lakomkin 2:5025/37.80 01 Sep 98 23:12:20
To : Dmitry Petrenko
Subj : Re: Håêèé àpõèâàòîp
Ïpèâåòñòâóþ òåáÿ, Dmitry!
Òóò ïèñüìî îò Dmitry Petrenko äëÿ All ïðîõîäèëî
(30/08/98 â 16:03) :
VL> Haïðèìåð, ACB ðaáîòaåò òîëüêî â ÄÎÑ,
DP> Âî-ïåpâûõ, íå òîëüêî â dos,
Äa, ïåðåïóòaë ñ êåì-òî. Haâåðíîå, ñ BOA - îí òîæå â êðóòûõ ëèäåðaõ ïî ñòåïåíè
ñæaòèÿ.
DP> a âî-âòîpûõ, íañêîëüêî ÿ çíaþ íèêîãäa íå
DP> âûïóñêaëîñü ïîëíîöåííîé âåpñèè ýòîãî apõèâaòîpa. Ýòî ïpîñòî ÷òî-òî âpîäå
DP> ñýìïëa èñïîëüçîâaíèÿ aëãîpèòìa ñæaòèÿ ACB, paçpaáîòaííîãî åãî aâòîpîì.
Î÷åíü ëîãè÷íî, åñëè ó÷åñòü âñå îãðaíè÷åíèÿ, ñ êîòîðûìè îí ðaáîòaåò:
"- does not have a possibility to add/take out one or several files
in/out of the archive - only all the data.
- Files with attributes: hidden, system, read_only are placed to archive too
- Sizes of the compressed data are not limited, but the maximum separate file
size is 64 Mb.
- Maximum number of files in the archive is 4096... "
È ò.ä.
DP> À âîò ÷òî ça PKIVE? ß íèêîãäa î íåì íå ñëûøaë.. Èíòåpåñíî, ìîæåò êòî-íèáóäü
DP> paññêaæåò ÷òî ýòî ça apõâåp, ÷åé îí, êaêèå ìåòîäû ñæaòèÿ â íåì
DP> èñïîëüçîâaíû. Óæ áîëüíî êpóò îí ïîëó÷aåòñÿ - âî ìíîãèõ ñëó÷aÿõ îáõîäèò ACB
Öèòaòa èç ïåðâîèñòî÷íèêa:
" RKIVE is a high performance shareware file archiver which uses many
of the latest techniques to gain a high level of compression while
maintaining a reasonable decompression speed.
This is version 1.92beta1 - released on 22nd February 1998.
[...]
* Features:
RKIVE now supports a full range of standard archiving features - these
are:
- Support for multiple volumes.
- Support for locking archives.
- Support for file attributes.
- Support for file date/time stamps.
- Support for CRC32 checksums to verify file integrity.
- Support for Win95 long filenames.
- Environment variable argument passing.
* Requirements:
This program will run on any 386 or better computer. 4Mb of memory is
required but 16Mb is recommended for the high compression modes.
Note that the -mt3 mode currently requires 32Mb of memory.
[...]
* Contact info:
You can contact me if you have any advice, comments or requests for
info via the Internet at:
mtaylor@clear.net.nz
My snail mail address is:
Malcolm Taylor
19 Koromiko Road
Wanganui
New Zealand"
Àðõèâ ÿ íaøåë î÷åíü áûñòðî ÷åðåç êaêîé-òî ðóññêèé ïîèñêîâûé ñåðâåð.
Ha www.download.ru åñòü, åñëè íå îøèáaþñü.
Hî ïðåäóïðåæäaþ ñðaçó, ÷òî áîëåå ãëþ÷íîé ñîôòèíû ÿ íå âèäåë. Òî åìó ôaéëû,
ïðåäëîæåííûå ê çaïaêîâêå, íå ïîíðaâÿòñÿ (ãîâîðèò, íå ìîãó îòêðûòü), òî
ñîáñòâåííûé aðõèâ çaáðaêóåò... Håñìîòðÿ ía ïðÿìîå îáåùaíèå, îòêaçaëñÿ äîáaâëÿòü
ôaéëû ê aðõèâó... Ïîä 95-îé ía ïÿòèìåòðîâîé ïîäáîðêå òåêñòîâûõ ôaéëîâ óñòðîèë
òaêîé ñâîï, ÷òî ÿ ïðèáèë åãî ÷åðåç ïaðó ìèíóò... Äa è âîîáùå æóòêèé òîðìîç...
Åñëè ía íåáîëüøèõ îáúåìaõ îí åùå î÷åíü õîðîøî ñìîòðèòñÿ, òî ía áîëüøèõ è
ðaçâåòâëåííûõ êaòaëîãaõ îí ïðîñòî íå ðaáîòaåò. Âèäèìî, â ñèñòåìíîì ïëaíå îí åùå
î÷åíü ñûðîé.
Âîò, íaïðèìåð, êóñêè ðåçóëüòaòîâ òåñòèðîâaíèÿ îò Åâãåíèÿ Çîòîâa (2:5025/37.62):
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PageMaker 6.0 RUS 24,399K
Àðõèâaòîð Ðaçìåð Âðåìÿ Këþ÷è
wrar 20,037K 11.52 -md1024
jar 20,080K 7.07
ace32 20,082K 2.48 -d1024
acb 20,091K 28.00
rkive 20,916K 1.28.43 -mb3
rar 22,198K 2.09
boa 22,804K 1.14.50
arj 23,095K 1.32
ha 23,137K 1.07.30
zip 23,161K 1.51
imp 23,192K 3.39
par 23,417K 44.27
WinWord 6.0a 15.367k
Àðõèâaòîð Ðaçìåð Âðåìÿ
ace32 15,209K 1.47 -d1024
acb 15,221K 17.46
wrar 15,253K 8.36 -md1024
rar 15,262K 1.17
jar 15,262K 1.53
boa 15,316K 51.03
ha 15,322K 43.02
arj 15,327K .51
imp 15,337K 2.14
zip 15,344K .59
rkive 16,008K 1.08.40 -mb3
Corel5 24,763K
Àðõèâaòîð Ðaçìåð Âðåìÿ
acb 24,664K 27.31
imp 24,676K 3.34
boa 24,687K 1.34.40
ha 24,695K 1.14.26
ace 24,701K 2.45 -d512
ace 24,701K 3.03 -d1024
ace32 24,702K 3.01 -d1024
uc2 24,708K 3.51
arj 24,710K 1.08
rar 24,711K 1.59
wrar 24,711K 4.34
wrar 24,711K 13.50 -md1024
zip 24,721K 1.43
jar 24,736K 2.51
par 24,770K 24.57
rkive ---------||---------
DOOM2 15,848,866
Àðõèâaòîð Ðaçìåð Âðåìÿ
acb 5,476,518 24.52
boa 5,875,866 16.57
rkive 5,889,222 16.16 -mb3
ace32 6,043,753 1.46 -d1024
ace 6,057,173 1.38 -d1024
ace 6,061,681 1.40 -d512
wrar 6,099,828 13.15 -md1024
jar 6,133,684 2.23
wrar 6,189,679 6.19
imp 6,307,583 2.34
rar 6,430,441 2.05
par 6,469,995 14.40
uc2 6,585,710 1.43
ha 6,695,311 10.02
zip 6,746,758 1.18
arj 6,796,618 1.52
WarCraft 2 RUS 24,645K
Àðõèâaòîð Ðaçìåð Âðåìÿ
acb 15,374K 50.06
boa 15,537K 52.30
rkive 15,572K 55.40 -mb3
wrar 16,004K 16.08 -md1024
ace32 16,057K 2.41 -d1024
ace 16,112K 2.45 -d1024
jar 16,191K 3.16
imp 16,230K 2.43
ace 16,256K 2.42 -d512
wrar 16,431K 7.59
par 16,534K 21.01
ha 16,786K 34.35
uc2 16,834K 4.05
rar 17,060K 2.41
zip 17,355K 2.05
arj 17,411K 2.12
Quake 1 52,295K
Àðõèâaòîð Ðaçìåð Âðåìÿ
acb 19,902K 1.28.55
rkive 19,978K 1.04.50
jar 21,542K 7.54
ace 21,792K 6.33 -d1024
ace32 21,816K 6.31 -d1024
ace 22,105K 6.46 -d512
wrar 22,421K 51.07 -md1024
imp 22,455K 4.40
wrar 22,867K 30.06
rar 22,990K 10.50
boa 23,332K 1.14.50
zip 23,458K 6.31
uc2 23,497K 6.35
arj 23,596K 8.10
ha 23,733K 45.50
par 24,889K 43.07
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Îáðaùaþ âíèìaíèå ía íåñòaáèëüíîñòü ðåçóëüòaòîâ òîãî æå rkive: ïîñëåäíåå ìåñòî
ïî ïëîòíîñòè ñæaòèÿ ía ÂèíÂîðäå, âûëåò ía Kîðåëå... È ïðè ýòîì ÒÀKÎÅ âðåìÿ
óïaêîâêè!
VL> Äa è ça÷åì? ×òîáû âûèãðaòü 50-100-êèëîáaéò ñ ìåãaáaéòa,
DP> 100Kb ñ ìåãaáaéòa - ýòî î÷åíü ìíîãî
Hó... Ìîæíî è òaê ñêaçaòü.
Âîò è âñ¸, ñîáñòâåííî.
Äî ñâèäaíèÿ,
Âÿ÷åñëaâ.
--- TM-Ed 1.13a
* Origin: -= Default origin =- (2:5025/37.80)
— RU.COMPRESS
From : Bulat Ziganshin 2:5093/26 02 Sep 98 19:32:07
To : Vyacheslav Lakomkin
Subj : Håêèé àpõèâàòîp
* Crossposted in RU.COMPRESS
Hello Vyacheslav!
Wednesday September 02 1998, Vyacheslav Lakomkin writes to Dmitry Petrenko:
VL> PageMaker 6.0 RUS 24,399K
VL> wrar 20,037K 11.52 -md1024
VL> WinWord 6.0a 15.367k
VL> ace32 15,209K 1.47 -d1024
VL> Corel5 24,763K
VL> acb 24,664K 27.31
VL> ********* Îáðaùaþ âíèìaíèå ía íåñòaáèëüíîñòü ðåçóëüòaòîâ òîãî æå
VL> rkive: ïîñëåäíåå ìåñòî ïî ïëîòíîñòè ñæaòèÿ ía ÂèíÂîðäå,
Hå ïåðåâåëèñü åùå ëþáèòåëè òåñòèðîâàòü ñæàòèå óïàêîâàííûõ ôàéëîâ :)
VL> âûëåò ía
VL> Kîðåëå...
Ýòî âåðíî, ãëþ÷èò.
VL> È ïðè ýòîì ÒÀKÎÅ âðåìÿ óïaêîâêè!
Òàêîå æå, êàê ó acb, boa.
VL>> Äa è ça÷åì? ×òîáû âûèãðaòü 50-100-êèëîáaéò ñ ìåãaáaéòa,
DP>> 100Kb ñ ìåãaáaéòa - ýòî î÷åíü ìíîãî
VL> Hó... Ìîæíî è òaê ñêaçaòü.
Ýòî íåñêîëüêî ëåò ñåðüåçíîé èññëåäîâàòåëüñêîé ðàáîòû. Îò îäíîé êðèòèêè íîâûå
àëãîðèòìû íå ïîÿâëÿþòñÿ ;)
Bulat, bulatz@fort.tatarstan.ru, ICQ: ðàá. 11849833, äîì. 15872722
--- GoldED/386 2.50+
* Origin: Tea&Company club BBS (Star Empire BBS) (2:5093/26)
— RU.COMPRESS
From : Misha Golosov 2:5036/20.2 02 Sep 98 19:39:27
To : All
Subj : Ïðîñòåíüêèé àðõèâàòîð.
Ïðèâåòñòâóþ òåáÿ ìíîãîóâàæàåìûé All!
Hå ïîäñêàæåò ìíîãîóâàæàåìûé Îëë ãäå âçÿòü ïðîñòåíüêèé èñõîäíèê
àðõèâàòîðà æåëàòåëüíî íà Ïàñêàëå. Åñëè ó êîãî åñòü êèíüòå â ìåíÿ
ìûëîì.
To Ìîäåðàòîð: Sorry åñëè íå â òåìó.
Äî ñêîðîé âñòðå÷è All!
... [Misha Golosov] v[BAGS Group Official Member]
---
* Origin: Äî ïåíñèè äàëåêî, à äåíåã íåò :( (2:5036/20.2)
— RU.COMPRESS
From : Max Smirnov 2:5030/706.11 02 Sep 98 21:32:12
To : Maxime Zakharov
Subj : Re: êîäû Ýëèàñà
Ïðèâåò, Maxime!
Âòp Ñåí 01 1998, Maxime Zakharov writes to All:
>> All íå â êópñå, ÷òî èç ñåáÿ ïpåäñòàâëÿåò ñàáæ?
MZ> Ñêîðåå âñåãî èìåþòñÿ â âèäó ïðåôèêñíûå êîäû äëÿ êîäèðîâàíèÿ
MZ> ïðîèçâîëüíûõ öåëûõ ÷èñåë.
Î÷åíü äàæå ïîõîæå. Hî õîòåëîñü áû óçíàòü èõ ñóùíîñòü.
Max
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* Origin: Òàê ãîâîðèë Àðèàòàððàáõàòòàðèêàíàìàñõòîòòàðàñàòàêàñò (2:5030/706.11)
— RU.COMPRESS
From : Ruslan Majorov 2:5096/12.16 03 Sep 98 14:53:28
To : All
Subj : 8-()
Ïðèâåò All!
Òóò íåäàâíî ïîïàëàñü ìíå ïpîãpàììêà MOPy fish ïî-ìîåìó êàêòî òàê íàçûâàåòñÿ, íî
ýòî íå âàæíî. Îíà çàíèìàåò 12ìá, à åå äèñòpèáóòèâ 1.4ìá(1 äèñêåòà), ïpè÷åì
äèñòpèáóòèâ - îäèí åõå-ôàéë, êîòîpûé åùå ñæèìàåòñÿ AINîì äî 1.3 ìá
Ýòî ÷òî çà àpõèâàòîp, æìåò 12ìá ïpàêòè÷åñêè äî 1.3 èëè äàæå ëó÷øå, ò.ê. ýòî áûë
ÅÕÅ-ôàéë (1.4ìá). Ñ âèíòà îíà pàñïàêîâûâàëàñü 2-3 ìèíóòû...
Ìîæåò êòî ÷å çíàåò ïpî òàêèå àpõèâàòîpû?
Ñ÷àñòëèâî. Ðóñëàí.
... !!! cyrix MUST DIE !!!! [Team NO SMOKING]
---
* Origin: Âîò åù¸! (2:5096/12.16)
— RU.COMPRESS
From : Sergey Shakhov 2:5013/11.24 03 Sep 98 18:07:20
To : Misha Golosov
Subj : Re: Ïðîñòåíüêèé àðõèâàòîð.
Hello Misha.
02 Sep 98 20:39, Misha Golosov wrote to All:
MG> Hå ïîäñêàæåò ìíîãîóâàæàåìûé Îëë ãäå âçÿòü ïðîñòåíüêèé èñõîäíèê
MG> àðõèâàòîðà æåëàòåëüíî íà Ïàñêàëå.
Óøåë ìûëîì èñõîäíèê LHZ.
Åñëè êîìó íàäî - ïèøèòå, pàçìåp ôàéëà ïpîñòî ìèçåpíûé.
2All: À ÷åãî ýòî íè÷åãî íå ñëûøíî ïpî Ultra Compressor ?
Âåäü õîpîøèé áûë àpõèâåp, ÷òî? ñîøåë ñ ìàãèñòpàëè?
Sergey
--- E-mail: Shakhov@mmk.ru
* Origin: Zweifl'ob lugen Kann die Wahrheit (FidoNet 2:5013/11.24)
— RU.COMPRESS
From : Dmitry Petrenko 2:5083/777.13 03 Sep 98 21:45:16
To : Vyacheslav Lakomkin
Subj : Håêèé àpõèâàòîp
Hullo there, Vyacheslav!
One dark night you wrote a letter for Dmitry Petrenko:
DP>> À âîò ÷òî ça PKIVE? ß íèêîãäa î íåì íå ñëûøaë.. Èíòåpåñíî, ìîæåò
DP>> êòî-íèáóäü paññêaæåò ÷òî ýòî ça apõâåp, ÷åé îí, êaêèå ìåòîäû
DP>> ñæaòèÿ â íåì èñïîëüçîâaíû. Óæ áîëüíî êpóò îí ïîëó÷aåòñÿ - âî
DP>> ìíîãèõ ñëó÷aÿõ îáõîäèò ACB
VL> Öèòaòa èç ïåðâîèñòî÷íèêa:
VL> " RKIVE is a high performance shareware file archiver which uses
VL> many of the latest techniques to gain a high level of compression
VL> while maintaining a reasonable decompression speed.
Èíòåpåñíî.. À â ýòîé äîêå íåò êàêîé-íèáóäü áîëåå ïîäpîáíîé èíôîpìàöèè îá
èñïîëüçóåìûõ â íåì àëãîpèòìàõ ñæàòèÿ?
VL> ïëaíå îí åùå î÷åíü ñûðîé. Âîò, íaïðèìåð, êóñêè ðåçóëüòaòîâ
VL> òåñòèðîâaíèÿ îò Åâãåíèÿ Çîòîâa (2:5025/37.62):
Êñòàòè ó acb òàê æå 3 âàpèàíòà êîìàíä àpõèâèpîâàíèÿ (fast, normal, best)..
Äîãàäûâàþñü ÷òî îí ïîëüçîâàëñÿ òpåòüåé? Ýòè òåñòû èíòåpåñíû òåì, ÷òî äîâîëüíî
ñèëüíî îòëè÷àþòñÿ îò A.C.T.. Hàâåpíîå ïîòîìó, ÷òî ñæèìàþòñÿ ôàéëû ñ pàçíîé
âíóòpåííåé ñòpóêòópîé - è exe, è multimedia, etc. imho ýòî ïpàâèëüíåå, òàê êàê
íå âñå àpõèâàòîpû ïîääåpæèâàþò solid-àpõèâû.
ps: à ÿ pàä çà íàøèõ ñîîòå÷åñòâåííèêîâ èç xUSSR.. â ïpèâåäåííûõ òîáîé òåñòàõ
íà ñòåïåíü ñæàòèÿ ïåpâûìè ïî÷òè âåçäå ñòîÿò acb èëè wrar ;)
See you on the other side,
Dmitry
... biggest instructions in whole world are Intel's ones: 66678D848078563412
--- EdLin for Windows 98, v2.50+
* Origin: PREDAt0R's Station, (dmitry.petrenko@usa.net) aka (2:5083/777.13)
— RU.COMPRESS
From : Vyacheslav Lakomkin 2:5025/37.80 03 Sep 98 21:55:20
To : Bulat Ziganshin
Subj : Re: Håêèé àpõèâàòîp
Ïpèâåòñòâóþ òåáÿ, Bulat!
Òóò ïèñüìî îò Bulat Ziganshin äëÿ Vyacheslav Lakomkin ïðîõîäèëî
(2/09/98 â 21:32) :
VL> rkive: ïîñëåäíåå ìåñòî ïî ïëîòíîñòè ñæaòèÿ ía ÂèíÂîðäå,
BZ> Hå ïåðåâåëèñü åùå ëþáèòåëè òåñòèðîâaòü ñæaòèå óïaêîâaííûõ ôaéëîâ :)
Hó äûê... Äèñòðèáóòèâ ýòî. À ëè÷íî ÿ þçaþ aðõèâaòîðû ía 70% äëÿ òîãî, ÷òîáû
ïîæaòü äèñòðèáóòèâû. Òaê ÷òî äëÿ ìåíÿ èìåííî ñæaòèå äèñòðèáóòèâîâ - êðèòåðèé
îöåíêè. Â îñíîâíîì.
VL> âûëåò ía Kîðåëå...
BZ> Ýòî âåðíî, ãëþ÷èò.
Óãó. À åùå âûÿñíèëîñü - äaøü åìó ðaçâåòâëåííûé êaòaëîã ñ ôaéëaìè, òaê îí
âîçüìåò äa è ïðîáðîñèò íåñêîëüêî ôaéëîâ! :( )
Ýòaêaÿ ðóëåòêa.
Âîò è âñ¸, ñîáñòâåííî.
Äî ñâèäaíèÿ,
Âÿ÷åñëaâ.
--- TM-Ed 1.13a
* Origin: -= Default origin =- (2:5025/37.80)
— RU.COMPRESS
From : Dmitry Petrenko 2:5083/777.13 03 Sep 98 23:45:56
To : Vyacheslav Lakomkin
Subj : Håêèé àpõèâàòîp
Hullo there, Vyacheslav!
One dark night you wrote a letter for Dmitry Petrenko:
DP>> À âîò ÷òî ça PKIVE? ß íèêîãäa î íåì íå ñëûøaë.. Èíòåpåñíî, ìîæåò
DP>> êòî-íèáóäü paññêaæåò ÷òî ýòî ça apõâåp, ÷åé îí, êaêèå ìåòîäû
DP>> ñæaòèÿ â íåì èñïîëüçîâaíû. Óæ áîëüíî êpóò îí ïîëó÷aåòñÿ - âî
DP>> ìíîãèõ ñëó÷aÿõ îáõîäèò ACB
VL> Öèòaòa èç ïåðâîèñòî÷íèêa:
VL> " RKIVE is a high performance shareware file archiver which uses
VL> many of the latest techniques to gain a high level of compression
VL> while maintaining a reasonable decompression speed.
Èíòåpåñíî.. À â ýòîé äîêå íåò êàêîé-íèáóäü áîëåå ïîäpîáíîé èíôîpìàöèè îá
èñïîëüçóåìûõ â íåì àëãîpèòìàõ ñæàòèÿ?
VL> ïëaíå îí åùå î÷åíü ñûðîé. Âîò, íaïðèìåð, êóñêè ðåçóëüòaòîâ
VL> òåñòèðîâaíèÿ îò Åâãåíèÿ Çîòîâa (2:5025/37.62):
Êñòàòè ó acb òàê æå 3 âàpèàíòà êîìàíä àpõèâèpîâàíèÿ (fast, normal, best)..
Äîãàäûâàþñü ÷òî îí ïîëüçîâàëñÿ òpåòüåé? Ýòè òåñòû èíòåpåñíû òåì, ÷òî äîâîëüíî
ñèëüíî îòëè÷àþòñÿ îò A.C.T.. Hàâåpíîå ïîòîìó, ÷òî ñæèìàþòñÿ ôàéëû ñ pàçíîé
âíóòpåííåé ñòpóêòópîé - è exe, è multimedia, etc. imho ýòî ïpàâèëüíåå, òàê êàê
íå âñå àpõèâàòîpû ïîääåpæèâàþò solid-àpõèâû.
ps: à ÿ pàä çà íàøèõ ñîîòå÷åñòâåííèêîâ èç xUSSR.. â ïpèâåäåííûõ òîáîé òåñòàõ
íà ñòåïåíü ñæàòèÿ ïåpâûìè ïî÷òè âåçäå ñòîÿò acb èëè wrar ;)
See you on the other side,
Dmitry
... biggest instructions in whole world are Intel's ones: 66678D848078563412
--- EdLin for Windows 98, v2.50+
* Origin: PREDAt0R's Station, (dmitry.petrenko@usa.net) aka (2:5083/777.13)
— RU.COMPRESS
From : Bulat Ziganshin 2:5093/26 04 Sep 98 10:37:43
To : Ruslan Majorov
Subj : 8-()
* Crossposted in RU.COMPRESS
Hello Ruslan!
Thursday September 03 1998, Ruslan Majorov writes to All:
RM> ñæèìàåòñÿ AINîì äî 1.3 ìá Ýòî ÷òî çà àpõèâàòîp, æìåò 12ìá ïpàêòè÷åñêè
RM> äî 1.3 èëè äàæå ëó÷øå, ò.ê. ýòî áûë ÅÕÅ-ôàéë (1.4ìá). Ñ âèíòà îíà
RM> pàñïàêîâûâàëàñü 2-3 ìèíóòû... Ìîæåò êòî ÷å çíàåò ïpî òàêèå àpõèâàòîpû?
Âåðîÿòíî, ýòî äæèïåãè. Ñîäåðæèìîå ðàñïàêîâàííîãî ôàéëà ïîõîæå íà 24-bit
image.
Bulat, bulatz@fort.tatarstan.ru, ICQ: ðàá. 11849833, äîì. 15872722
--- GoldED/386 2.50+
* Origin: Tea&Company club BBS (Star Empire BBS) (2:5093/26)
— RU.COMPRESS
From : Vadim Yoockin 2:5020/1042.50 04 Sep 98 19:50:32
To : Dmitry Petrenko
Subj : Håêèé àpõèâàòîp
Ïpèâåòñòâóþ, Dmitry!
03 Sep 98, Dmitry Petrenko ïèñàë ê Vyacheslav Lakomkin:
VL>> " RKIVE is a high performance shareware file archiver which uses
VL>> many of the latest techniques to gain a high level of compression
VL>> while maintaining a reasonable decompression speed.
DP> Èíòåpåñíî.. À â ýòîé äîêå íåò êàêîé-íèáóäü áîëåå ïîäpîáíîé èíôîpìàöèè îá
DP> èñïîëüçóåìûõ â íåì àëãîpèòìàõ ñæàòèÿ?
Hå èç äîêè ïîéäåò? Håêîå ïîäîáèå LZP â ïðåïðîöåññèíãå è PPMZ order-8.
VL>> ïëaíå îí åùå î÷åíü ñûðîé. Âîò, íaïðèìåð, êóñêè ðåçóëüòaòîâ
VL>> òåñòèðîâaíèÿ îò Åâãåíèÿ Çîòîâa (2:5025/37.62):
DP> Êñòàòè ó acb òàê æå 3 âàpèàíòà êîìàíä àpõèâèpîâàíèÿ (fast, normal, best)..
DP> Äîãàäûâàþñü ÷òî îí ïîëüçîâàëñÿ òpåòüåé? Ýòè òåñòû èíòåpåñíû òåì, ÷òî
DP> äîâîëüíî ñèëüíî îòëè÷àþòñÿ îò A.C.T.. Hàâåpíîå ïîòîìó, ÷òî ñæèìàþòñÿ ôàéëû
DP> ñ pàçíîé âíóòpåííåé ñòpóêòópîé - è exe, è multimedia, etc.
Ïîòîìó, ÷òî êîãäà ñæèìàþòñÿ óïàêîâàííûå äèñòðèáóòèâû, ðàçìåð àðõèâà
îïðåäåëÿåòñÿ íå ñèëîé ñæàòèÿ àðõèâàòîðà, à ðàçìåðîì çàãîëîâêà
(íó è, êîíå÷íî, ñæàòèåì èíñòàëëèðóþùåãî êîäà) :) Hå ìîãó ïîñòàâèòü
ýòî â çàñëóãó äàííûõ òåñòîâ.
Âñåãî äîáðîãî. Vadim Yoockin
... 2.000.000 Lemmings can't be wrong.
--- Ñòàpûé Äåä ñòîèìîñòüþ 3.00.Alpha4 äîïëàòà â ÑÊÂ UNREG
* Origin: mail to yoockinv@aha.ru (2:5020/1042.50)
— RU.COMPRESS
From : Vadim Yoockin 2:5020/1042.50 04 Sep 98 20:38:53
To : Andrew Filinsky
Subj : PPMZ
Ïpèâåòñòâóþ, Andrew!
31 Aug 98, Andrew Filinsky ïèñàë ê Vadim Yoockin:
AF>> À íå ïîäñêàæåò ëè ïèïë, ÷åì ìåòîä PPMZ îòëè÷àåòñÿ îò ìåòîäîâ PPMA,
AF>> PPMB èëè PPMC?
VY>> Ãëàâíûì îápàçîì ãëóáèíîé êîíòåêñòà (8) è ñòpàòåãèåé óõîäîâ.
AF> À èçâåñòíà ëè ñòpàòåãèÿ óõîäîâ â ìåòîäå PPMZ? Håëüçÿ ëè èçëîæèòü åå â
AF> ñpàâíåíèè ñ ìåòîäîì PPMC?
Âêðàòöå - â ïîäñ÷åòå âåðîÿòíîñòè óõîäîâ äëÿ äåòåðìèíèðîâàííûõ
êîíòåêñòîâ, ó êîòîðûõ ýòà âåðîÿòíîñòü îáû÷íî íèæå, ÷åì ýòî
ïðåäñêàçûâàåò PPMC. Ïðè÷åì, ÷åì êîðî÷å êîíòåêñò, òåì ñóùåñòâåííåå
ýòî îòëè÷èå. Hà áèíàðíèêàõ ýòî ïî÷òè íå ïðîÿâëÿåòñÿ, à âîò
íà òåêñòàõ ñèëüíî ñêàçûâàåòñÿ. Âèäèìî, ýòî îäíà èç ñîñòàâëÿþùèõ
óñïåõà BOA è RKIVE íà òåêñòàõ. ACB, êñòàòè, òîæå ëèøåí óêàçàííîãî
íåäîñòàòêà.
Âñåãî äîáðîãî. Vadim Yoockin
... 2.000.000 Lemmings can't be wrong.
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From : Maxim Elkin 2:5020/979.1 04 Sep 98 20:49:24
To : Sergey Shakhov
Subj : Håêèé àpõèâàòîp
Ïpèâåò, Sergey!
30 Aug 98 19:00, Sergey Shakhov wrote to Vyacheslav Lakomkin:
SS> 1. Îáúåì òåñòîâûõ ôàéëîâ.
... å ñîãëàñåí...
SS> 2. Äîñîâûå è âèíäîâûå àpõèâåpû äîëæíû Îáÿçàòåëüíî òåñòèpîâàòüñÿ
SS> îòäåëüíî èç-çà pàçíîãî ópîâíÿ èñïîëüçîâàíèÿ àïïàpàòíûõ
SS> âîçìîæíîñòåé,
×åïóõà. Ñêàæåøü "íåò" - ïîÿñíÿé.
SS> ìîæåò äàæå èìååò ñìûñë îòêàçàòüñÿ îò äîñà êàê ïëàòôîpìû?
Îò äîñà? ;-) Òû èçäåâàåøüñÿ? ;-) Ìîæåò, îò âñåãî îñòàëüíîãî?
SS> 3. Ñëàáî èñïîëüçóþòñÿ ñâèò÷è, íåêîòîpûì àpõèâàòîpàì íà ýòî ïî÷òè
SS> ïëåâàòü, pàáîòà äpóãèõ æå ñèëüíî çàâèñèò îò ýòîãî.
Ãëÿíü, êàêèå ñâè÷è òèïè÷íî þçàþòñÿ...
& so long...
Ñ íàèëó÷øèìè,
Maxim Elkin
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— RU.COMPRESS
From : Ruslan Majorov 2:5096/12.16 04 Sep 98 21:09:54
To : Bulat Ziganshin
Subj : 8-()
Ïðèâåò Bulat!
Âîò Bulat Ziganshin íàïèñàë Ruslan Majorov ïèñüìî, ÿ è íå ñäåðæàëñÿ:
RM>> ñæèìàåòñÿ AINîì äî 1.3 ìá Ýòî ÷òî çà àpõèâàòîp, æìåò 12ìá ïpàêòè÷åñêè
RM>> äî 1.3 èëè äàæå ëó÷øå, ò.ê. ýòî áûë ÅÕÅ-ôàéë (1.4ìá). Ñ âèíòà îíà
RM>> pàñïàêîâûâàëàñü 2-3 ìèíóòû... Ìîæåò êòî ÷å çíàåò ïpî òàêèå àpõèâàòîpû?
BZ> Âåðîÿòíî, ýòî äæèïåãè. Ñîäåðæèìîå ðàñïàêîâàííîãî ôàéëà ïîõîæå íà 24-bit
BZ> image.
Håò, ýòî òî÷íî íå äæèïåãè, â ýòîì æå àpõèâå ïpîãpàììû ÅÕÅ è DLL ôàéëû, äëÿ íèõ
íåëüçÿ èñïîëüçîâàòü _ñæàòèå_ñ_ïîòåpÿìè_
Ñ÷àñòëèâî. Ðóñëàí.
... !!! cyrix MUST DIE !!!! [Team NO SMOKING]
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— RU.COMPRESS
From : Vadim Yoockin 2:5020/1042.50 04 Sep 98 21:51:12
To : Dmitry Petrenko
Subj : Håêèé àpõèâàòîp
Ïpèâåòñòâóþ, Dmitry!
03 Sep 98, Dmitry Petrenko ïèñàë ê Vyacheslav Lakomkin:
VL>> " RKIVE is a high performance shareware file archiver which uses
VL>> many of the latest techniques to gain a high level of compression
VL>> while maintaining a reasonable decompression speed.
DP> Èíòåpåñíî.. À â ýòîé äîêå íåò êàêîé-íèáóäü áîëåå ïîäpîáíîé èíôîpìàöèè îá
DP> èñïîëüçóåìûõ â íåì àëãîpèòìàõ ñæàòèÿ?
Hå èç äîêè ïîéäåò? Håêîå ïîäîáèå LZP â ïðåïðîöåññèíãå è PPMZ order-8.
VL>> ïëaíå îí åùå î÷åíü ñûðîé. Âîò, íaïðèìåð, êóñêè ðåçóëüòaòîâ
VL>> òåñòèðîâaíèÿ îò Åâãåíèÿ Çîòîâa (2:5025/37.62):
DP> Êñòàòè ó acb òàê æå 3 âàpèàíòà êîìàíä àpõèâèpîâàíèÿ (fast, normal, best)..
DP> Äîãàäûâàþñü ÷òî îí ïîëüçîâàëñÿ òpåòüåé? Ýòè òåñòû èíòåpåñíû òåì, ÷òî
DP> äîâîëüíî ñèëüíî îòëè÷àþòñÿ îò A.C.T.. Hàâåpíîå ïîòîìó, ÷òî ñæèìàþòñÿ ôàéëû
DP> ñ pàçíîé âíóòpåííåé ñòpóêòópîé - è exe, è multimedia, etc.
Ïîòîìó, ÷òî êîãäà ñæèìàþòñÿ óïàêîâàííûå äèñòðèáóòèâû, ðàçìåð àðõèâà
îïðåäåëÿåòñÿ íå ñèëîé ñæàòèÿ àðõèâàòîðà, à ðàçìåðîì çàãîëîâêà
(íó è, êîíå÷íî, ñæàòèåì èíñòàëëèðóþùåãî êîäà) :) Hå ìîãó ïîñòàâèòü
ýòî â çàñëóãó äàííûõ òåñòîâ.
Âñåãî äîáðîãî. Vadim Yoockin
... 2.000.000 Lemmings can't be wrong.
--- Ñòàpûé Äåä ñòîèìîñòüþ 3.00.Alpha4 äîïëàòà â ÑÊÂ UNREG
* Origin: mail to yoockinv@aha.ru (2:5020/1042.50)
— RU.COMPRESS
From : Bulat Ziganshin 2:5093/26 05 Sep 98 07:37:03
To : Ruslan Majorov
Subj : 8-()
*** Answering a msg posted in area CARBON_COPIES (CARBON_COPIES).
* Crossposted in RU.COMPRESS
Hello Ruslan!
Friday September 04 1998, Ruslan Majorov writes to Bulat Ziganshin:
BZ>> Âåðîÿòíî, ýòî äæèïåãè. Ñîäåðæèìîå ðàñïàêîâàííîãî ôàéëà ïîõîæå
BZ>> íà 24-bit image.
RM> Håò, ýòî òî÷íî íå äæèïåãè, â ýòîì æå àpõèâå ïpîãpàììû ÅÕÅ è DLL ôàéëû,
RM> äëÿ íèõ íåëüçÿ èñïîëüçîâàòü _ñæàòèå_ñ_ïîòåpÿìè_
À âíóòðè ýòîé dll 24-áèòíûå èçîáðàæåíèÿ. DLL áüåòñÿ íà íåñêîëüêî êóñêîâ è ýòè
êóñêè æìóòñÿ ðàçíûìè ìåòîäàìè.
Bulat, bulatz@fort.tatarstan.ru, ICQ: ðàá. 11849833, äîì. 15872722
--- GoldED/386 2.50+
* Origin: Tea&Company club BBS (Star Empire BBS) (2:5093/26)
— RU.COMPRESS
From : Artem Tepponen 2:5038/1.9 05 Sep 98 14:29:00
To : Bulat Ziganshin
Subj : 8-()
Hi, Bulat!
At 05 Sep 98 09:37:43, Bulat Ziganshin wrote to Ruslan Majorov:
BZ>>> Âåðîÿòíî, ýòî äæèïåãè. Ñîäåðæèìîå ðàñïàêîâàííîãî ôàéëà ïîõîæå
BZ>>> íà 24-bit image.
RM>> Håò, ýòî òî÷íî íå äæèïåãè, â ýòîì æå àpõèâå ïpîãpàììû ÅÕÅ è DLL ôàéëû,
RM>> äëÿ íèõ íåëüçÿ èñïîëüçîâàòü _ñæàòèå_ñ_ïîòåpÿìè_
BZ> À âíóòðè ýòîé dll 24-áèòíûå èçîáðàæåíèÿ. DLL áüåòñÿ íà íåñêîëüêî êóñêîâ
BZ> è ýòè êóñêè æìóòñÿ ðàçíûìè ìåòîäàìè.
À ñæàòü ýòî ÷óäî (òå 20 ïðîèíñòàëëèðîâàííûõ Mb) íàïðèìåð îáû÷íûì ðàðîì
è óáåäèòüñÿ ÷òî ïîëó÷àåòñÿ îïÿòü 1.4Mb íó íèêàê íåëüçÿ?
Artem
PS: Äà äàííûå ñêîðåå âñåãî ñòðàøíî èçáûòî÷íûå.
--- QDed-3.57 for FreeBSD-2.2.5
* Origin: Don't worry, be happy (2:5038/1.9)
— RU.COMPRESS
From : Dmitry Petrenko 2:5083/777.13 05 Sep 98 21:47:26
To : Vadim Yoockin
Subj : Håêèé àpõèâàòîp
Hullo there, Vadim!
One dark night you wrote a letter for Dmitry Petrenko:
VL>>> " RKIVE is a high performance shareware file archiver which
VL>>> uses many of the latest techniques to gain a high level of
VL>>> compression while maintaining a reasonable decompression speed.
DP>> Èíòåpåñíî.. À â ýòîé äîêå íåò êàêîé-íèáóäü áîëåå ïîäpîáíîé
DP>> èíôîpìàöèè îá èñïîëüçóåìûõ â íåì àëãîpèòìàõ ñæàòèÿ?
VY> Hå èç äîêè ïîéäåò? Håêîå ïîäîáèå LZP â ïðåïðîöåññèíãå è PPMZ order-8.
à ÷òî çà lzp? ÷åì îòëè÷àåòñÿ îò lzw, íàïpèìåp?
VL>>> ïëaíå îí åùå î÷åíü ñûðîé. Âîò, íaïðèìåð, êóñêè ðåçóëüòaòîâ
VL>>> òåñòèðîâaíèÿ îò Åâãåíèÿ Çîòîâa (2:5025/37.62):
DP>> Êñòàòè ó acb òàê æå 3 âàpèàíòà êîìàíä àpõèâèpîâàíèÿ (fast,
DP>> normal, best).. Äîãàäûâàþñü ÷òî îí ïîëüçîâàëñÿ òpåòüåé? Ýòè òåñòû
DP>> èíòåpåñíû òåì, ÷òî äîâîëüíî ñèëüíî îòëè÷àþòñÿ îò A.C.T.. Hàâåpíîå
DP>> ïîòîìó, ÷òî ñæèìàþòñÿ ôàéëû ñ pàçíîé âíóòpåííåé ñòpóêòópîé - è
DP>> exe, è multimedia, etc.
VY> Ïîòîìó, ÷òî êîãäà ñæèìàþòñÿ óïàêîâàííûå äèñòðèáóòèâû, ðàçìåð àðõèâà
VY> îïðåäåëÿåòñÿ íå ñèëîé ñæàòèÿ àðõèâàòîðà, à ðàçìåðîì çàãîëîâêà
VY> (íó è, êîíå÷íî, ñæàòèåì èíñòàëëèðóþùåãî êîäà) :) Hå ìîãó ïîñòàâèòü
VY> ýòî â çàñëóãó äàííûõ òåñòîâ.
íó, òàêèå äèñòpèáóòèâû, êàê doom2, warcraft è quake 1, ïpèâåäåííûå â äàííûõ
òåñòàõ, íåëüçÿ ñ÷èòàòü äàæå ñëåãêà ïpîæàòûìè, ñàì ïîñìîòpè íà èõ èçíà÷àëüíûé
pàçìåp. imho, ýíòpîïèÿ â äàííûõ (èëè êàê òàì ýòî ó âàñ, êpóòûõ ñïåöîâ
íàçûâàåòñÿ ;) ïîñëå òàêîãî ñæàòèÿ ñèëüíî íå èçìåíÿåòñÿ (à èíà÷å êàê quake
óìóäpèëèñü ñæàòü ïî÷òè â 3 pàçà)
íî ïîâòîpþñü, ôàéëû âåäü èìåþò pàçëè÷íóþ âíóòpåííþþ ñòpóêòópó, ÷òî ÷àñòè÷íî
èñêëþ÷àåò ïpåèìóùåñòâà íåêîòîpûõ àpõèâàòîpîâ ïpè ñæàòèè â solid-àpõèâû, à
ïîòîìó
áîëåå påàëüíî îòîápàæàåò èñòèííóþ "ñèëó ñæàòèÿ" (ò.å. âîçìîæíîñòè
êîíêpåòíî èñïîëüçóåìîãî àëãîpèòìà), à íå âñÿêèå ôèøêè è íàâîpîòû.
âîò ýòî ÿ ìîãó ïîñòàâèòü â çàñëóãó äàííûõ òåñòîâ? ;)
See you on the other side,
Dmitry
... spirits of night lives in me ...
--- EdLin for Windows 98, v2.50+
* Origin: PREDAt0R's Station, (dmitry.petrenko@usa.net) aka (2:5083/777.13)
— RU.COMPRESS
From : Bulat Ziganshin 2:5093/26 06 Sep 98 02:08:40
To : Artem Tepponen
Subj : 8-()
*** Answering a msg posted in area CARBON_COPIES (CARBON_COPIES).
* Crossposted in RU.COMPRESS
Hello Artem!
Saturday September 05 1998, Artem Tepponen writes to Bulat Ziganshin:
AT> À ñæàòü ýòî ÷óäî (òå 20 ïðîèíñòàëëèðîâàííûõ Mb) íàïðèìåð îáû÷íûì
AT> ðàðîì è óáåäèòüñÿ ÷òî ïîëó÷àåòñÿ îïÿòü 1.4Mb íó íèêàê íåëüçÿ?
=== Cut ===
RAR 2.03 Copyright (c) 1993-98 Eugene Roshal 19 March 1998
Shareware version Type RAR -? for help
Solid archive a.rar
Name Size Packed Ratio Date Time Attr CRC Meth Ver
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getpoint.exe 91348 33816 37% 08-05-98 14:53 .....A 02DBB202 m5e 2.0
MOPYFISH.EXE 14320 7376 51% 08-05-98 14:47 .....A 18AB617B m5e 2.0
MOPYPLAY.EXE 570000 149436 26% 08-05-98 14:47 .....A 5565C4CA m5e 2.0
hook1632.dll 24064 4997 20% 08-05-98 14:53 .....A BEC11063 m5e 2.0
BRAIN.DAT 72 62 86% 04-09-98 19:11 .....A 495A2E1F m5e 2.0
exit.dat 0 0 0% 24-05-98 18:51 .....A 00000000 m5e 2.0
MOPYFISH.DAT 8653766 4030079 46% 08-05-98 14:52 .....A C47CF3AF m5e 2.0
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
7 9353570 4225766 45%
=== Cut ===
AT> PS: Äà äàííûå ñêîðåå âñåãî ñòðàøíî èçáûòî÷íûå.
Ýòî áûëî ìîåé ïåðâîé ðåàêöèåé. Hî óáåäèâøèñü, ÷òî ýòî íå äâóõöâåòíûå bmp, ÿ
ñòàë èñêàòü äðóãèå âàðèàíòû. btw:
=== Cut ===
02.05.98 10:54 1 413 728 mopyfish.exe
02.05.98 10:18 227 328 pointsnt.exe
=== Cut ===
Bulat, bulatz@fort.tatarstan.ru, ICQ: ðàá. 11849833, äîì. 15872722
--- GoldED/386 2.50+
* Origin: Tea&Company club BBS (Star Empire BBS) (2:5093/26)
— RU.COMPRESS
From : Vadim Yoockin 2:5020/1042.50 06 Sep 98 10:15:50
To : Dmitry Petrenko
Subj : Håêèé àpõèâàòîp
Ïpèâåòñòâóþ, Dmitry!
05 Sep 98, Dmitry Petrenko ïèñàë ê Vadim Yoockin:
VY>> Hå èç äîêè ïîéäåò? Håêîå ïîäîáèå LZP â ïðåïðîöåññèíãå è PPMZ order-8.
DP> à ÷òî çà lzp? ÷åì îòëè÷àåòñÿ îò lzw, íàïpèìåp?
===================== Hà÷àëî - LZP.TXT =====================
From : Vadim Yoockin 2:5020/1042.50 14 Aug 98
To : Dmitry Enshakov
Subj : For information
---------------------------------------------------------------------
DE> PS. È, åñëè íå òðóäíî, ÷òî âñå-òàêè åñòü LZP?
Èõ íåñêîëüêî ðàçíîâèäíîñòåé. Hàïðèìåð, àâòîðñêèé. Èùåì êîíòåêñò
N-ãî ïîðÿäêà, ïðåäøåñòâóþùèé òåêóùåìó ñèìâîëó, ñðåäè ðàíåå
îáðàáîòàííîãî ïîòîêà. Hàõîäèì - íà âûõîä èäåò match flag è êîëè÷åñòâî
ñèìâîëîâ ñîâïàäåíèé, íå ñ÷èòàÿ äëèíû êîíòåêñòà. Hå íàõîäèì -
ïèøåì íà âûõîä nomatch flag, äåëàåì N=N-1 è èùåì ñíîâà, ïîêà N>0. Âîîáùå
íå íàøëè - ïèøåì êîä ñèìâîëà. Ïîòîì âñå ýòî õîçÿéñòâî îáðàáàòûâàåòñÿ
àðèôìåòèêîé.
Ýòîò âàðèàíò îñîáî õîðîø äëÿ òåêñòîâ, ãäå áîëåå-ìåíåå
ñòàáèëüíûå êîíòåêñòû. Äëÿ áèíàðíèêîâ ìîæíî íå îãðàíè÷èâàòüñÿ
ïåðâûì íàéäåííûì êîíòåêñòîì. ===================== Êîíåö - LZP.TXT
=====================
VY>> Ïîòîìó, ÷òî êîãäà ñæèìàþòñÿ óïàêîâàííûå äèñòðèáóòèâû, ðàçìåð àðõèâà
VY>> îïðåäåëÿåòñÿ íå ñèëîé ñæàòèÿ àðõèâàòîðà, à ðàçìåðîì çàãîëîâêà
VY>> (íó è, êîíå÷íî, ñæàòèåì èíñòàëëèðóþùåãî êîäà) :) Hå ìîãó ïîñòàâèòü
VY>> ýòî â çàñëóãó äàííûõ òåñòîâ.
DP> íó, òàêèå äèñòpèáóòèâû, êàê doom2, warcraft è quake 1, ïpèâåäåííûå â
DP> äàííûõ òåñòàõ, íåëüçÿ ñ÷èòàòü äàæå ñëåãêà ïpîæàòûìè, ñàì ïîñìîòpè íà
DP> èõ èçíà÷àëüíûé pàçìåp. imho, ýíòpîïèÿ â äàííûõ (èëè êàê òàì ýòî ó âàñ,
DP> êpóòûõ ñïåöîâ íàçûâàåòñÿ ;) ïîñëå òàêîãî ñæàòèÿ ñèëüíî íå èçìåíÿåòñÿ (à
DP> èíà÷å êàê quake óìóäpèëèñü ñæàòü ïî÷òè â 3 pàçà) íî ïîâòîpþñü, ôàéëû âåäü
DP> èìåþò pàçëè÷íóþ âíóòpåííþþ ñòpóêòópó, ÷òî ÷àñòè÷íî èñêëþ÷àåò ïpåèìóùåñòâà
DP> íåêîòîpûõ àpõèâàòîpîâ ïpè ñæàòèè â solid-àpõèâû, à ïîòîìó áîëåå
DP> påàëüíî îòîápàæàåò èñòèííóþ "ñèëó ñæàòèÿ" (ò.å. âîçìîæíîñòè êîíêpåòíî
DP> èñïîëüçóåìîãî àëãîpèòìà), à íå âñÿêèå ôèøêè è íàâîpîòû. âîò ýòî ÿ ìîãó
DP> ïîñòàâèòü â çàñëóãó äàííûõ òåñòîâ? ;)
Äà, â ACT'e ýòî íå òåñòèðîâàëîñü (åñëè íå ñ÷èòàòü CC).
Hàñ÷åò "áîëåå ðåàëüíî îòîáðàæàåò" - îòîáðàæàåò òîëüêî îäíó ñïîñîáíîñòü
àäàïòèðîâàòüñÿ ê äàííûì, ÷òî òðåáóåòñÿ íå âñåãäà.
Åñëè òåáå âàæíà èìåííî ýòà õàðàêòåðèñòèêà, ïîïðîáóé UHARC
(íà quake2 îí âñåõ îáñòàâèë).
Âñåãî äîáðîãî. Vadim Yoockin
... 2.000.000 Lemmings can't be wrong.
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— RU.COMPRESS
From : VALERIY ERMOLAEV 2:5002/33.1 06 Sep 98 15:15:25
To : All
Subj : Âîïðîñ ê çíàòîêàì MP3
Ìíîãèå ëåòà, All!
Ïîïûòàëñÿ ÿ íåäàâíî ïðèìåíèòü mpeg layer-3 encoder âåðñèè 2.60
îò èíñòèòóòà Ôðàóíãîôåðà äëÿ ñæàòèÿ ðå÷è è ïðîäåëàë ñëåäóþùèé
ýêñïåðèìåíò:
1 Çàïèñàë ñ ìèêðîôîíà ñâîþ ðå÷ü â ôîðìàò WAV
2 Hàïóñòèë íà ýòîò ôàéë encoder ñ ïàðàìåòðàìè äëÿ ñêîðîñòè 8000 áèò/ñ
3 Ïðîèãðàë ïîëó÷åííûé mp3 íà winamp
Ïîëó÷èëèñü èíòåðåñíûå ðåçóëüòàòû:
1 Ðå÷ü â öåëîì îñòàâàëàñü ïîíÿòíîé
2 Hà÷àëî êàæäîãî ñëîâà ñîïðîâîæäàëîñü íåêèì õðþêàíèåì
3 Åñëè ãîâîðèòü íåïðåðûâíî äëèííóþ ôðàçó - òî âñå íîðìàëüíî
4 Åñëè ïåòü ïåñíþ - òî òîæå èñêàæåíèÿ ìèíèìàëüíûå
5 Åñëè ãîâîðèòü íà ôîíå ìóçûêè - òî îïÿòü æå âñå ïóòåì
Ñîçäàåòñÿ âïå÷àòëåíèå, ÷òî êîäåê íà òàêîé ñòåïåíè ñæàòèÿ íå ëþáèò
ðåçêèõ ïåðåõîäíûõ ïðîöåññîâ.
 ñâÿçè ñ ÷åì õî÷ó ñïðîñèòü âñåçíàþùèé ALL
Êàê ìîæíî îáúÿñíèòü ðåçóëüòàòû ñ ïåðåõîäíûìè ïðîöåññàìè?
Ìîæíî-ëè êàê òî ïîäàâèòü çòè èñêàæåíèÿ ?
Ïðîáîâàë ëè êòî íèáóäü MP3 äëÿ ñæàòèÿ èìåííî ðå÷è ?
Ãäå ìîæíî äîñòàòü âíÿòíîå îïèñàíèå ñòàíäàðòà ISO/MPEG Layer-3 ?
Ñ íåñêîí÷àåìûì óâàæåíèåì, VALERIY
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— RU.COMPRESS
From : Ruslan Majorov 2:5096/12.16 06 Sep 98 22:08:59
To : Bulat Ziganshin
Subj : 8-()
Ïðèâåò Bulat!
Âîò Bulat Ziganshin íàïèñàë Artem Tepponen ïèñüìî, ÿ è íå ñäåðæàëñÿ:
AT>> À îíè ïðè ðàñïàêîâêå øóì ñëó÷àéíûé íå äîáàâëÿþò?
AT>> Áðåäîâàÿ èäåÿ - íî êàê îäèí èç âàðèàíòîâ - âïîëíå ;)
BZ> À çà÷åì? Âîçüìè äæèïåã, ðàñïàêóé åãî â bmp, çàòåì óïàêóé ëþáûì loseless
BZ> êîìïðåññîðîì - áóäåò òî æå ñàìîå.
Äæèïåã - ýòî ñæàòèå ñ ïîòåpÿìè, â ýòîì ôîpìàòå çàïîìèíàåòñÿ íå
ïîñëåäîâàòåëüíîñòü áàéòîâ, à îïpåäåëåííûå öâåòîâûå îáëàñòè, ïpè pàñïàêîâêå
äæèèïåãà ïîëó÷àþòñÿ äpóãèå ïîñëåäîâàòåëüíîñòè áàéòîâ, êîòîpûå îápàçóþò öâåòîâûå
îáëàñòè ñõîæèå ñ îpèãèíàëîì(äî óïàêîâêè). Ýòîò ìåòîä ãîäèòñÿ òîëüêî äëÿ
óïàêîâêè
ãpàôèêè
Ñ÷àñòëèâî. Ðóñëàí.
... !!! cyrix MUST DIE !!!! [Team NO SMOKING]
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— RU.COMPRESS
From : Andrew Filinsky 2:452/4.11 07 Sep 98 09:20:24
To : Vadim Yoockin
Subj : LZP
-++++++¬ Ñ ãîpÿ÷èì ýëåêòpîííûì ïpèâåòîì!
LTTTTTT- Îäíàæäû Vadim Yoockin íàïèñàë ê Dmitry Petrenko:
DE> PS. È, åñëè íå òpóäíî, ÷òî âñå-òàêè åñòü LZP?
VY> Èõ íåñêîëüêî pàçíîâèäíîñòåé. Hàïpèìåp, àâòîpñêèé. Èùåì êîíòåêñò
VY> N-ãî ïîpÿäêà, ïpåäøåñòâóþùèé òåêóùåìó ñèìâîëó, ñpåäè pàíåå
VY> îápàáîòàííîãî ïîòîêà. Hàõîäèì - íà âûõîä èäåò match flag è
VY> êîëè÷åñòâî ñèìâîëîâ ñîâïàäåíèé, íå ñ÷èòàÿ äëèíû êîíòåêñòà. Hå
VY> íàõîäèì - ïèøåì íà âûõîä nomatch flag, äåëàåì N=N-1 è èùåì ñíîâà,
VY> ïîêà N>0. Âîîáùå íå íàøëè - ïèøåì êîä ñèìâîëà. Ïîòîì âñå ýòî
VY> õîçÿéñòâî îápàáàòûâàåòñÿ àpèôìåòèêîé.
VY> Ýòîò âàpèàíò îñîáî õîpîø äëÿ òåêñòîâ, ãäå áîëåå-ìåíåå
VY> ñòàáèëüíûå êîíòåêñòû. Äëÿ áèíàpíèêîâ ìîæíî íå îãpàíè÷èâàòüñÿ ïåpâûì
VY> íàéäåííûì êîíòåêñòîì.
 äàííîì ñëó÷àå ìîæíî îãpàíè÷èòüñÿ îäíîé çàïèñüþ match/nomatch flag íà ñèìâîë.
Âåäü åñëè íå íàéäåí êîíòåêñò N ïîpÿäêà, òî ýòî ïpè pàñïàêîâêå ýòî áóäåò
îáíàpóæåíî áåç ÷òåíèÿ nomatch flag.
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Ñ ìîèõ ñëîâ çàïèñàíî âåpíî. Andrew Filinsky.
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— RU.COMPRESS
From : Maxime Zakharov 2:5065/10.12 08 Sep 98 08:24:47
To : Ruslan Majorov
Subj : JPEG
Hello Ruslan,
Monday September 07 1998 00:09, Ruslan Majorov wrote to Bulat Ziganshin:
RM> Äæèïåã - ýòî ñæàòèå ñ ïîòåpÿìè, â ýòîì ôîpìàòå çàïîìèíàåòñÿ íå
Ó JPEG ñyùåñòâyåò påæèì ñæàòèÿ áåç ïîòåpü.
 èíòåíåòå ïpîñêàêèâàëà ññûëêà: http://www.hpl.hp.com/loco/
íî ÿ åùå òyäå íå çàãëÿäûâàë.
Maxime Zakharov.
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— RU.COMPRESS
From : Alexandr Molchevsky 2:4656/6.2 08 Sep 98 11:11:39
To : All
Subj : <none>
Ïpèâåò, All!
Êñòàòè à ìîæíî ëè îïpåäåëèòü òåîpåòè÷åñêèé ïpåäåë ñæèìàåìîñòè äëÿ
êîíêpåòíûõ äàííûõ, òîåñòü íyæíî äîêàçàòåëüñòâî òîãî, ÷òî êîíêpåòíûé ôàéë
îáüåìîì 10Êá ñîäåpæèò 500á èíôîpìàöèè (îñòàëüíîå èçáûòî÷íî) è ñæàòü åãî äî
îáüåìà 300á íåâîçìîæíî â ïpèíöèïå.
Âñåãî õîpîøåãî, Alexandr.
Êîìàíäà "àëëå" âûïîëíÿåòñÿ áåãîì.
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— RU.COMPRESS
From : Bulat Ziganshin 2:5049/36.26 08 Sep 98 12:55:26
To : All
Subj : Ðîññèéñêèé ñòàíäàðò øèôðîâàíèÿ
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* From : Andrey Vinokurov, 2:5020/400 (09 Jun 98 12:13)
* To : All,
* Subj : Re: WATCOM v.10
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From: "Andrey Vinokurov" <vini@micex.com>
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À ÿ íå ëþáëþ. Hî ðàíüøå ïðèõîäèëîñü ìíîãî þçàòü ASM, ÷òîáû ñäåëàòü
äåéñòâèòåëüíî õîðîøèé êîä. È ïîä x86 ïîíàïèñàë íà íåì èçðÿäíî, ñäåëàâ
ðåàëèçàöèþ Ðîññèéñêîãî ñòàíäàðòà øèôðîâàíèÿ - êñòàòè, ïîñëå òîãî, êàê
çëîáíîå è æàäíîå ÔÀÏÑÈ, ïîäñóíóâ ïðåçèäåíòó íà ïîäïèñü èçâåñòíûé óêàç ?334,
ëèøèëî ìåíÿ âîçìîæíîñòè çàðàáàòûâàòü òàêèì îáðàçîì äåíüãè, ÿ ðàñïðîñòðàíÿþ
ýòó ðåàëèçàöèþ ñâîáîäíî - îíà äîñòóïíà íà ìîåé êðèïòîãðàôè÷åñêîé ñòðàíè÷êå
http://www.chat.ru/~avin/crypto.htm
Çà ñèì óñå, âñåõ áëàã.
Àíäðåé.
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Hello All!
Òåïåðü ïîíÿòíî, îòêóäà â arj ïîÿâèëñÿ ýòîò àëãîðèòì øèôðîâàíèÿ. Òàì, êñòàòè,
âñå èñõîäíèêè è ãîòîâûå áèáëèîòåêè ïîä dos è win32.btw, êèíüòå ýòî ïèñüìî â
ru.algorithms
Bulat, bulatz@fort.tatarstan.ru, ICQ: ðàá. 11849833, äîì. 15872722
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— RU.COMPRESS
From : Sergey Shakhov 2:5013/11.24 08 Sep 98 17:20:59
To : Maxim Elkin
Subj : Re: Håêèé àpõèâàòîp
Hello Maxim.
04 Sep 98 22:50, Maxim Elkin wrote to Sergey Shakhov:
SS>> 1. Îáúåì òåñòîâûõ ôàéëîâ.
ME> ... å ñîãëàñåí...
Ñ ÷åì òû Å ñîãëàñåí ? Òû ñ÷èòàåøü ÷òî ïîæàòü îäèí ôàéë
pàçìåpîì â ìåã äîñòàòî÷íî?
SS>> 2. Äîñîâûå è âèíäîâûå àpõèâåpû äîëæíû Îáÿçàòåëüíî òåñòèpîâàòüñÿ
SS>> îòäåëüíî èç-çà pàçíîãî ópîâíÿ èñïîëüçîâàíèÿ àïïàpàòíûõ
SS>> âîçìîæíîñòåé,
ME> ×åïóõà. Ñêàæåøü "íåò" - ïîÿñíÿé.
Hó íåóæåëè òàêîå íàäî ïîÿñíÿòü?
Ñpåäñòâà êåøèpîâàíèÿ è ïåpåìåííàÿ çàãpóçêà ïpîöåññîpà
âëèÿþò íà ñêîpîñòü âûïîëíåíèÿ, à îãpàíè÷åíèÿ ïàìÿòè äëÿ äîñ-çàäà÷
ñèëüíî ópåçàþò âîçìîæíîñòè íåêîòîpûõ àpõèâåpîâ.
SS>> ìîæåò äàæå èìååò ñìûñë îòêàçàòüñÿ îò äîñà êàê ïëàòôîpìû?
ME> Îò äîñà? ;-) Òû èçäåâàåøüñÿ? ;-) Ìîæåò, îò âñåãî îñòàëüíîãî?
ß ñåpüåçíî, íó íå áóäó ÿ ïåpåãpóæàòü ìàøèíó êàæäûé pàç ÷òîáû
ïîæàòü ÷åãî-íèòü. Ñîáñòâåííî äëÿ äîñà îñòàëñÿ ëèøü îäèí êëàññ
çàäà÷ - èãpû è íàäî äóìàòü ÷åpåç ïàpó ëåò èõ âîîáùå íå áóäåò.
SS>> 3. Ñëàáî èñïîëüçóþòñÿ ñâèò÷è, íåêîòîpûì àpõèâàòîpàì íà ýòî ïî÷òè
SS>> ïëåâàòü, pàáîòà äpóãèõ æå ñèëüíî çàâèñèò îò ýòîãî.
ME> Ãëÿíü, êàêèå ñâè÷è òèïè÷íî þçàþòñÿ...
Âîò èìåííî Òèïè÷íî, à êàæäûé àpõèâåp òpåáóåò èíäèâèäóàëüíîãî ïîäõîäà.
Sergey
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From : Artem Tepponen 2:5038/1.9 08 Sep 98 20:20:32
To : Maxime Zakharov
Subj : JPEG
Hi, Maxime!
At 08 Sep 98 08:24:47, Maxime Zakharov wrote to Ruslan Majorov:
MZ> Monday September 07 1998 00:09, Ruslan Majorov wrote to Bulat Ziganshin:
RM>> Äæèïåã - ýòî ñæàòèå ñ ïîòåpÿìè, â ýòîì ôîpìàòå çàïîìèíàåòñÿ íå
MZ> Ó JPEG ñyùåñòâyåò påæèì ñæàòèÿ áåç ïîòåpü.
MZ> Â èíòåíåòå ïpîñêàêèâàëà ññûëêà: http://www.hpl.hp.com/loco/
MZ> íî ÿ åùå òyäå íå çàãëÿäûâàë.
Ê ñîæàëåíèþ ýòî ÷óäî ïî÷òè íè÷åãî îáùåãî ñ îáû÷íûì jpeg íå èìååò,
íîðìàëüíûé âüþâåð òàêîå ïîêàçûâàòü îòêàæåòñÿ, äà è ñòåïåíü ñæàòèÿ áóäåò
óæå ñîâñåì íå òà (íó êàê ó îáû÷íîãî àðõèâàòîðà, ïëþñ-ìèíóñ ñåìü-âîñåìü ;)
Artem
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