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From: Peter Engelhardt (engelhar_at_medi.mappi.helsinki.fi)
Date: Sat Nov 06 2004 - 16:51:32 CST

Just to let ALL know I am forwarding the answer I
got as I seem to have sent the mail wrongly
straight to John Stone only - my fault.

Naturally, it sis Ok if there is somebody that have something more to add.

>Date: Sat, 6 Nov 2004 21:25:22 +0200
>To: John Stone <johns_at_ks.uiuc.edu>
>From: Peter Engelhardt <engelhar_at_medi.mappi.helsinki.fi>
>Subject: Re: Any methods for real stereo viewing with Mac and OsX
>Cc:
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>Thanks a lot for very fast and complete answer.
>
>Sorry that I just did not realize that my mail
>went right and I might have resend it
>incorrectly(?) also to:
>
>VMD Mailing List <vmd-l_at_ks.uiuc.edu>
>
>just ignore it and thanks again.
>
>Peter
>
>>Hi,
>> You can't do stereo at all with standard LCD displays, just
>>so you're aware. (i.e. none of the apple screens...)
>>In order to do stereo on a Mac, you're options include:
>> - Scanline-interleaved stereo using Eye3D stereo shutter glasses
>> and a standard high-res CRT display.
>> This is an inexpensive option and is well supported by VMD.
>>
>> - DTI autostereoscopic LCD panels using DTI "side by side" mode
>> supported by VMD, requires VMD's graphics window to be maximized.
>> Workable, but not ideal on a Mac. On PC's one would use the normal
>> VMD "CrystalEyes" stereo mode.
>>
>> - Full-screen stereo (supported by PyMol but not VMD, don't know
>> about other packages, not very useful for programs with a normal GUI
>> such as VMD or Chimera)
>>
>>I'd suggest going with something like the Eye3D glasses and a
>>standard CRT display. This is the least expensive option, and
>>if/when Apple finally releases support for frame-sequential
>>stereo rendering in their OpenGL drivers, you'll immediately
>>be able to switch the mode of the glasses and get twice the
>>vertical resolution.
>>
>> John
>>
>>
>>On Sat, Nov 06, 2004 at 04:40:04PM +0200, Peter Engelhardt wrote:
>>> Hi All,
>>>
>>> Please let us know how we can install stereo
>>> viewing (e.g. for VMD, Chimera and other similar
>>> softwares that have options for stereo viewing),
>>> on our Macs e.g. latest G5 (but also for older)
>>> with flat screen - or best the big new 30' screen
>>> could be the most attractive - and on iMacs etc
>>> with ordinary screens.
>>>
>>> We are still using SGI though they are rather
>>> slow for big 3D reconstructions to be visualized
>>> so the new Macs e.g. G5 must be much faster.
>>>
>>> Stereo viewing works on PCs as I have heard but
>>> as our lab at Univ of Helsnki prefer Macs
>>> (allergic for PCs) we now want to know how we can
>>> get stereo (not Red-Green or Blue that we
>>> frequently use as a substitute) but the real with
>>> the SGI like glasses style.
>>>
>>> Stereo glasses for PC are very cheap also
>>> comparing to SGI - and there seem to be different
>>> for flat screens and ordinary for Pcs.
>>>
>>> So, what are the methods or opinions - if any -
>>> to have real stereo working on Macs today.
>>>
>>> I have been in contact with Mac sellers several
>>> times here but without getting any real or final
>>> answer, either they are totally ignorant or there
>>> is no method(s).
>>>
>>> Can we use the PC glasses and do we need to
>>> install additional supporting card and are these
>>> available for Mac etc and where to get them?
>>>
>>> Or is old SGI or are we forced to Pcs as the only alterative?
>>>
>>> Sharp e.g announced recently a flat screen where
>>> no glasses are needed but with 15' screen the
>>> resolution and method might be not very good -
>>> are there someone who have some experience on
>>> Sharp?
>>>
>>> I thank you all in advance for any answers on the subject.
>>>
>>> Cheers
>>> Peter
>> > --
>
>--
>
>___________________________________________________________
>Peter Engelhardt, PhD, docent
>Assistant Professor in Molecular Genetics
>Unit of Molecular Electron Tomography
>Department of Pathology and Virology
>Haartman Institute
>P.O.Box 21, FIN-00014 Univ. of Helsinki, Finland
>Visiting Address: Haartmaninkatu 3, Helsinki
>Office Tel: (+358-9)-19126431 (direct)
>Laboratory Tel: (+358-9)-19126441
>EM-facilities, Tel: (+358-9)-19126885
>Fax: (+358-9)-19126491
>FIN-00014 Univ. of Helsinki, Helsinki, Finland
>
>Mobil Phone: +358-9-(0)41 561 0171
>
>LCE, Laboratory of Computational Engineering,
>Research Center for Computational Science and Engineering
>Helsinki University of Technology (HUT),
>P.O.Box 9203, FIN-02015 HUT, FINLAND
>Visiting Address: Innopoli 2, Tekniikantie 14, Espoo
>
>
>CSC (Center for Scientific Computing):
>Visiting Address: Tekniikantie 15a D, Otaniemi, Espoo
>SGI-facilities, Tel: (+358-9)-4573229 (direct)
>
>Home address:
>Lindstedstvägen 1 B 7
>FIN-02700 Grankulla,
>Finland
>
>Email: Peter.Engelhardt_at_Helsinki.Fi
>URL: http://www.lce.hut.fi/~engelhar/ 

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___________________________________________________________
Peter Engelhardt, PhD, docent
Assistant Professor in Molecular Genetics
Unit of Molecular Electron Tomography
Department of Pathology and Virology
Haartman Institute
P.O.Box 21, FIN-00014 Univ. of Helsinki, Finland
Visiting Address: Haartmaninkatu 3, Helsinki
Office Tel: (+358-9)-19126431 (direct)
Laboratory Tel: (+358-9)-19126441   
EM-facilities, Tel: (+358-9)-19126885
Fax: (+358-9)-19126491
FIN-00014 Univ. of Helsinki, Helsinki, Finland
Mobil Phone: +358-9-(0)41 561 0171
LCE, Laboratory of Computational Engineering,
Research Center for Computational Science and Engineering
Helsinki University of Technology (HUT),
P.O.Box 9203, FIN-02015 HUT, FINLAND  
Visiting Address: Innopoli 2, Tekniikantie 14, Espoo  
CSC (Center for Scientific Computing):
Visiting Address: Tekniikantie 15a D, Otaniemi, Espoo
SGI-facilities, Tel: (+358-9)-4573229 (direct)
Home address:
Lindstedstvägen 1 B 7
FIN-02700 Grankulla,
Finland
Email: Peter.Engelhardt_at_Helsinki.Fi
URL: http://www.lce.hut.fi/~engelhar/