Plato, Gorgias, section 515d

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[515d] Pericles and Cimon and Miltiades and Themistocles.

Callicles
Yes, I do.

Socrates
Then if they were good, clearly each of them was changing the citizens from worse to better. Was this so, or not?

Callicles
Yes.

Socrates
So when Pericles began to speak before the people, the Athenians were worse than when he made his last speeches?

Callicles
Perhaps.

Socrates
Not “perhaps,” as you say, excellent sir; it follows of necessity from what we have admitted,

Plato. Plato in Twelve Volumes, Vol. 3 translated by W.R.M. Lamb. Cambridge, MA, Harvard University Press; London, William Heinemann Ltd. 1967.

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