Plato, Gorgias, section 460e

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[460e]

Socrates
But now we find that this very person, the rhetorician, could never be guilty of wrongdoing, do we not?

Gorgias
We do.

Socrates
And in our first statements, Gorgias, we said that rhetoric dealt with speech, not on even and odd, but on the just and unjust, did we not?

Gorgias
Yes.

Socrates
Well then, I supposed at the time when you were saying this that rhetoric could never be an unjust thing, since the speeches it made were always about justice but when a little later you told us that the orator

Plato. Plato in Twelve Volumes, Vol. 3 translated by W.R.M. Lamb. Cambridge, MA, Harvard University Press; London, William Heinemann Ltd. 1967.

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