[65c]
“True.”
“In thought, then, if at all, something of the realities becomes clear to it?”
“Yes.”
“But it thinks best when none of these things troubles it, neither hearing nor sight, nor pain nor any pleasure, but it is, so far as possible, alone by itself, and takes leave of the body, and avoiding, so far as it can, all association or contact with the body, reaches out toward the reality.”
“That is true.”
“In this matter also, then,