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I'd disagree, the most disgusting comments... (5.00 / 4) (#2)
by Dadler on Thu Jul 24, 2014 at 11:01:02 AM EST
...come from those having no immediate relation to the victims in the case. Family members of the victims, I'm sorry, can be forgiven for WHATEVER objectionable sh*t they say. Sorry, but if some guy killed my loved ones as he did to those folks, I'd bust through that glass to kill the phucker with my bare hands WHILE he was gasping. Not because I think it's right, but because violence destroys people and that destruction is almost always irreparable. That said, this is the reason the DP should be abolished. Because all it does is inflame our worst instincts as "modern and civilized" human beings. It rights no wrongs, it does not bring back to life the dead. It simply prolongs violence and suffering.

Exactly - that's why relatices are not (5.00 / 2) (#3)
by ruffian on Thu Jul 24, 2014 at 11:48:15 AM EST
the judge, jury, or executioner.

Objectively, this is a horrible practice and needs to be stopped. It is not fair punishment by any definition of the word.  

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LWOP is my preference (none / 0) (#7)
by jimakaPPJ on Thu Jul 24, 2014 at 03:11:48 PM EST
but if that is not available then hanging is effective, fast and cheap.

BTW - I told a poker playing bud that LWOP was my preference.

He retorted that all that would do is make the defense lawyers re-calibrate their claims re cruel and unusual punishment.

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I don't know about that (5.00 / 1) (#8)
by ruffian on Thu Jul 24, 2014 at 04:26:47 PM EST
Is there automatic appeal for LWOP? If not it seems to me there would be far fewer appeals over all. How many current LWOP cases get appealed on 'cruel and unusual' basis?

I know, I would not expect you to fact check your poker buddies!

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I'll go there... (none / 0) (#11)
by kdog on Thu Jul 24, 2014 at 05:55:34 PM EST
Life without the possibility of parole is cruel and unusual...because people can change. If the most heinous among us convicted of the most heinous crimes won't change, then they can rot.  But parole should be on the table for those that can be redeemed.

Perhaps I should shut up until the death penalty is a barbaric relic.

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kdog, BIOR (none / 0) (#12)
by jimakaPPJ on Thu Jul 24, 2014 at 06:02:24 PM EST
There is this thing called punishment by the state for crimes committed. Said punishment is for preventing the victim's family from killing the other side... You know, preventing a blood feud.

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Then why do we call it... (none / 0) (#14)
by kdog on Thu Jul 24, 2014 at 06:07:08 PM EST
The Department of Corrections?

And is it wrong to think that blood feuds would be preferable to this sh!t? At least the individual would have the choice not to be party to bloodshed or cruel and unusual punishments up to and including state sanctioned murder.  And if blood they must have, they can't outsource it to the state and pretend their hands are clean.

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does not matter if people can change (none / 0) (#17)
by nyjets on Thu Jul 24, 2014 at 10:28:42 PM EST
Even if people can change, and most of the time , they can not, some crimes are unforgivable. Whether or not they changed is irrelevant. They still have to answer for their crimes.


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"unforgiveable" (none / 0) (#21)
by sj on Fri Jul 25, 2014 at 02:41:02 PM EST
Wow.

And yet, survivors of more than one murder victim have been able to do just that: forgive.

Could I? Were it my son? I don't know. I would hope so but I frankly don't know if I have a big enough spirit for that. But, maybe ...many, many people do.

Apparently you are not one of them. And apparently you prefer your society to also have a small spirit.

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some people cannot change (none / 0) (#20)
by ZtoA on Fri Jul 25, 2014 at 12:52:41 PM EST
Some people with mental illness cannot change. They used to be locked up in prisons/hospitals for the criminally insane. Now they are in with the general prison population.

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Hey, the poker room has WIFI (none / 0) (#13)
by jimakaPPJ on Thu Jul 24, 2014 at 06:03:43 PM EST
and fact checks happen all the time.

Although most of them relate to sport claims...

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