The 9/11 Commission Rejects own Report as Based on Government Lies

(CINCINNATI, Ohio) - In John Farmer’s book: "The Ground Truth: The Story Behind America’s Defense on 9/11", the author builds the inescapably convincing case that the official version... is almost entirely untrue.

The 9/11 Commission now tells us that the official version of 9/11 was based on false testimony and documents and is almost entirely untrue. The details of this massive cover-up are carefully outlined in a book by John Farmer, who was the Senior Counsel for the 9/11 Commission.

Farmer, Dean of Rutger Universities' School of Law and former Attorney General of New Jersey, was responsible for drafting the original flawed 9/11 report.

Does Farmer have cooperation and agreement from other members of the Commission? Yes. Did they say Bush ordered 9/11? No. Do they say that the 9/11 Commission was lied to by the FBI, CIA, Whitehouse and NORAD? Yes. Is there full documentary proof of this? Yes.

Farmer states, “...at some level of the government, at some point in time... there was an agreement not to tell the truth about what happened... I was shocked at how different the truth was from the way it was described... The [Norad air defense] tapes told a radically different story from what had been told to us and the public for two years. This is not spin.”

The 9/11 Commission head, Thomas Kean, was the Republican governor of New Jersey. He had the following to say... “We to this day don’t know why NORAD [the North American Aerospace Command] told us what they told us, it was just so far from the truth..."

When Bush's own handpicked commission failed to go along with the cover up and requested a criminal investigation, why was nothing done?

9/11 Commission member and former US Senator, Bob Kerrey, says, "No one is more qualified to write the definitive book about the tragedy of 9/11 than John Farmer. Fortunately, he has done so. Even more fortunately the language is clear, alive and instructive for anyone who wants to make certain this never happens again."

With the only "official" 9/11 report now totally false, where do we go from here? Who is hurt by these lies? The families of the victims of 9/11 have fought, for years, to get to the truth. For years, our government has hidden behind lies and secrecy to deny them closure.

In 2006, The Washington Post reported, "Suspicion of wrongdoing ran so deep that the 10-member commission, in a secret meeting at the end of its tenure in summer 2004, debated referring the matter to the Justice Department for criminal investigation, according to several commission sources.

"Staff members and some commissioners thought that e-mails and other evidence provided enough probable cause to believe that military and aviation officials violated the law by making false statements to Congress and to the commission..."

What does Farmer's book tell us? Farmer offers no solutions, only a total and full rejection of what was told and his own his own ideas concerning the total failure of honesty on the part of the government, a government with something to hide.

Farmer never tells us what. Nobody could keep a job in the public sector speaking out more than Farmer has. What were Farmer's omissions? There are some.

Now that we know that intelligence given the 9/11 Commission wasn't just lies from our own government but based on testimony coerced through torture from informants forced to back up a cover story now proven false, a pattern emerges.

We know that, immediately after 9/11, many more potential suspects and informants were flown directly to Saudi Arabia by Presidential order than were ever detained and questioned. We will never know what they could have said. Their testimony would have been vital to any real investigation were they not put beyond the reach of even Congress and the FBI.

Putting aside all other questions of recent evidence of CIA involvement with bin Laden prior to 9/11 or altered physical evidence involving the Pentagon attack, any failure to call to account the systematic perjury committed by dozens of top government officials, now exposed as a certainty is an offense to every American.

What do we know? We know the conjecture about 9/11 still stands but for certain, we know we were lied to, not in a minor way, but systematically as part of a plot covering up government involvement at nearly every level, perhaps gross negligence, perhaps something with darker intent.

Are we willing to live with another lie to go with the Warren Report, Iran Contra and so many others? Has the sacrifice of thousands more Americans, killed, wounded or irreparably damaged by a war knowingly built on the same lies from the same liars who misled the 9/11 Commission pushed us beyond willingness to confront the truth?

Have we yet found where the lies have begun and ended? There is no evidence of this, only evidence to the contrary. The lies live on and the truth will never be sought. The courage for that task has not been found.

Can anyone call themselves an American if they don't demand, even with the last drop of their blood, that the truth be found?

There are many questions about the 9/11 Commission that any citizen or Cincinnati criminal attorney would like to have answered, but getting the truth from the government may never happen.

Gordon Duff is a Marine combat veteran and a regular contributor to Veterans Today. He specializes in political and social issues. You can see a large collection of Gordon's published articles at this link: VeteransToday.com.

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Humberto May 14, 2016 2:22 pm (Pacific time)

Are you kidding me?

armchair philosopher July 30, 2015 2:04 pm (Pacific time)

The patent falseness of the Official 911 Story can be substantiated in a thousand ways. One of the best ways, in my opinion, is to point out that skyscrapers with asymmetrical damage don't collapse symmetrically. If the Official Narrative were true, I could saw off one or two of the legs of my dining room table and expect it to collapse evenly. No, it wouldn't collapse symmetrically, it would instead fall all goofy and lopsided. But the towers came down evenly. Straight down. But the crash zones and fires were not at all even. This is so basic I'm amazed so few grab on to it in order to at least put a question in the minds of those who assume the government couldn't possibly lie about major matters like 911. And, as this article well points out, the fact that the people on the Commission question the testimony given by high officials should give ample pause (but doesn't to most folks). Why don't journalists and writers tackle the monstrous lies of 911? Easy. The Obfuscation and Lie departments of various organizations have since the JFK assassination been successful in portraying any one criticizing Official Stories as "conspiracy theorists," which are "bad." They've brainwashed the masses brilliantly to eschew questioning what the guys in 10,000 suits proclaim. Thus, any journalist brave enough to speak out seriously endangers his or her career. Journalists don't want to do that. So, the truth remains veiled in respect to the mainstream. The first defense against the intrusion of truth upon lying narratives is mockery and derision. Bingo.

T. Rex April 29, 2013 12:52 pm (Pacific time)

At the time of the event I was a mil. con. working on base. My heart went out to W, even when I hated his politics. When a friend pointed out bombs exploding in basements of both WTC1and2 BEFORE plane strikes about a yr. later, I could not believe it until I heard William "Last Man Out" Rodriguez test.. 911Mysteries formed my conviction that current events dictate motive for 9/11/01. Cover up $3.2tril.waste,fraud, and abuse "Rummy" told AEI on 9/10/01 and MICC (Mil. Ind. Congressional Complex, "Ike" '56) grab of $tax$ @ any and all costs. TWoT (TheWaronTER., "Raygun" '80) is perfect vehicle to create your own market (mil. con. wet dream) w/drone strikes, renditions, false flags (BostonMassacre2.0) galore. Cheney/Bush prayed for war w/out end, amen for elites, banksters, and Wall St. And for they're sin they got it. "Apocalypse Now," Coppla

Walt September 11, 2012 11:51 am (Pacific time)

If it is the "banksters' or not then Obama has the chance to blow the repus out of the water dose'nt he? But he will not use this. You see the same people that controled Bush control Obama. My fellow Americans are so stupid it no longer suprrises me. Why else would they continually elect 2 corrupt parties that screw them all the time and do not act in the best interests of the Country?

Charles August 20, 2012 3:23 pm (Pacific time)

The banksters are back for whatever they missed. Theft. Silverstein's insurance fraud. Murder's from 9/11 to cops blowing away people they already have hancuffed. WTF, if we/ We the people are not going to arrest them, all of them, then shut the fuck up. We have the talking part done.

Singlecoilsnap August 26, 2011 9:13 am (Pacific time)

I believe that the Patriot Act and other legislation passed after 9/11 is proof enough that our government at least wanted it to happen.

J. Artis December 13, 2010 7:20 pm (Pacific time)

With all questionable stories told by the government, it says everything that Bush and Cheaney refused to testify under oath and were allowed to testify together, as well as not have it recorded. I'm not saying that the created the event, but they for sure are assisting with the cover up and also benefiting from it.

J. Artis December 13, 2010 7:19 pm (Pacific time)

danny October 21, 2010 12:59 am (Pacific time)

Whoever this Editor is ~ HE IS AWESOME ~ THANK YOU!

johnsobers87 September 20, 2010 11:36 pm (Pacific time)

In 2006, The Washington Post reported..."Suspicion of wrongdoing ran so deep that the 10-member commission, in a secret meeting at the end of its tenure in summer 2004, debated referring the matter to the Justice Department for criminal investigation, according to several commission sources. Staff members and some commissioners thought that e-mails and other evidence provided enough probable cause to believe that military and aviation officials violated the law by making false statements to Congress and to the commission..." _____________________ johnsober87 cheap cars for sale

Pat May 15, 2010 6:53 pm (Pacific time)

I think this will be a very interesting read and I definitely look forward to reading the book asap. Thanks for advertising it.

Sam FBI April 6, 2010 7:35 pm (Pacific time)

For the ignorant who still doubt that our own Government even possibly that corrupt to do an inside job or to cover the truth or to start a war.....you really don't know history and you live in a bubble. George Bush ..... who would you believe if they ever told you...Hey I will testify but not under oath? Would you believe that person?

jim April 2, 2010 8:24 am (Pacific time)

yea, those towers stood so tall and so long because they were mostly glass.get a life,and find your common sence.

9-11 Grad Student March 16, 2010 8:44 pm (Pacific time)

I'm sick and tired of having to listen to all of the varying perspectives and insights that describe (how the buildings were brought down) because it's so freaking obvious as to how the buildings were brought down i.e. EXPLOSIVES. This long running intellectual conversation is driving everyone nuts. It's time to put the people that are responsible for 9-11 in a court room so they are made to answer for their high crimes and punished accordingly. The longer this 9-11 quiz drags out the odds of having something worse happening to our country increases. These 9-11 bastards aren't finished with their sinister plans of mass murder, on the contrary we're in the eye of a much greater storm so we had better get our proverbial poop together before it's to late. The 9-11 bandits have already managed to start two wars based on the 9-11 official story nonsense while far too many of us quibble about minutia as to how and why it all happened. The time for talking has expired, it's time to act!

Paladin March 7, 2010 1:12 pm (Pacific time)

I'm an engineer but the lesson that told me the minute the WTC came down was fake I learned in high school physice. I do know and understand how steel framed high rise buildings are constructed and that just confirmed what I knew as a teenager. People in the U.S. are not just functionally illiterate in numbers that are a crime in themselves but they are both culturally and morally illiterate as well. Throw in a pinch (actually a bucket load) of cognitive dissonance, couple with some willful ignorance and an arrogant belief in the exceptionalism of a country whos only exceptionalism is in a manner that must shame God himself and you're headed towards disaster. Coming soon to a theater near YOU!

superroher March 6, 2010 1:18 pm (Pacific time)

if it is true what more can we expect

Steve February 9, 2010 10:42 am (Pacific time)

Wow, the deniers are thick today. It's Kean's words and the Norad tapes that should paint an obvious conclusion for even the most radical corporatist in denial. And the personal attacks and bold type only devalue any argument the deniers struggled to make. Conversely, they are a measure of how potent the book is.

bob January 26, 2010 11:00 pm (Pacific time)

yea tabby we are all getting our 15mins of fame by saying 911 story doesnt make sense. you should of seen the girls that lined up the day I posted it on my facebook to sleep with me, it was so awesome. Do even think before you speak? I seriously doubt you know 2 people from ground zero, thats a good one. I can claim the same story you spat out besides ending it with my conclusion of it was an inside job and any that disagree are fools

smedley butler January 22, 2010 3:47 am (Pacific time)

see OVERCOMING ZIONISM by joel kovel , SUPERMOB by gus russo and BEYOND CHUTZPAH by norman finklestein .

tabby99 January 16, 2010 9:06 pm (Pacific time)

You can never be absolutely sure of the truth of any news story unless you've witnessed the event yourself and/or have collected some primary data. In the absence of that, the next best thing you can do is examine both sides of the issue, weighing heavily on all of the evidence, eyewitness reports, and looking at the motivations, the character, and positions of the proponents of each side. After having done such an examination over the span of over four years, as well as personally knowing two eyewitnesses to the 911 tragedy in Manhattan, I come to the inescapable conclusion that most persons claiming that 911 was an inside job have nothing worthwhile to offer the world, and are using their position as an excuse to call attention to themselves for their 15 minutes of fame.

Editor: I sure would not view that as a non-objective take on this.

giufuf January 16, 2010 9:01 am (Pacific time)

Anonymous, is that you george w?

slade January 16, 2010 1:30 pm (Pacific time)

In response to Willi G's post in November: As a ground level witness to the events, it certainly looked to me that the second plane penetrated the walls of the South Tower before exploding. Don't think the government has the power to create CGI effects on the fly and out in the open. The walls weren't solid steel or brick; they were lined with windows which certainly weren't designed to withstand an airliner impact. Maybe you need more than a "small amount" of math and physics to realize that. Just sayin'.

George Simpson January 16, 2010 4:16 am (Pacific time)

I've known for a long time that the 911 implosions could not have happened because of the planes and could not have happened due to controlled demolition -- It was an act of God -- see: www.etcorngods.com/911.htm

Willi G November 17, 2009 8:31 pm (Pacific time)

I have had a problem with 911 from the day I saw the first broadcast. I know a small amount of math and physics but enough to know what I saw on TV could not be real. Planes do not enter steel buildings completely and then blow up. It should have been an instantaneous fire ball from the millisecond of impact with the wings. Etc...

yuviiiiiiiiii September 30, 2009 7:13 am (Pacific time)

gerazhaaaaaaaaaa i am sooooooooooooooooooooooooo random over this storyyyyyyyyy. ahhhhhhhhh

Anonymous September 30, 2009 2:09 am (Pacific time)

The Serendipity website has a ton of evidence (facts and reasoning) that the official story of 9/11 cannot be true and that the operation must have been an inside job. http://www.serendipity.li/wtc.htm http://www.serendipity.li/wot/pop_mech/reply_to_popular_mechanics.htm and many other articles.

Charlie Peters September 28, 2009 11:44 pm (Pacific time)

support HR 1207

Gary September 28, 2009 3:25 am (Pacific time)

Did George W. Bush order 9-11? No. Not documented. Did Bush cabinet members and others in that orbit design 9-11? Yes. US officials STATED that they NEEDED the attacks to happen, they NEEDED a BLOODBATH. This includes members of AEI and PNAC and other groups. Even CFR published a book containing an argument for the necessity of a major catastrophic threat to bring public support for imperialist hegmonic wars. In other words, seen clearly, 9-11 was no secret conspiracy. It was official policy, documented, published, promoted, and carried out as planned. At least WE KNOW the concept was documented. We've yet to find the detailed plans, nor do I expect we ever will, but ask this: Isn't the fact that the CONCEPT of 9-11 was documented as a semi-official strategy, especially when linked with the Wolfowitz Doctrine (he's part of that terror cell), sufficient for the media to raise howling red flags? What conclusions can a person draw from the contradiction between the outrage over statements by that Prof about "Little Eichmanns" killed on 9-11, contrasted with ZERO mention of US officials calling 9-11 "lucky" and "providential" before it happened? (By the way, this is not meant to sound argumentative, hostile, demeaning, etc. nor contain some of the "stretch-of-the-imagination" arguments that seem to swirl around some "truther" outlets.

Reg September 27, 2009 9:14 am (Pacific time)

Only a small number of Truther sites have publicized the book. Thanks SO much,Gordon, for this article. We linked to it on our 9/11 news updates, and have tried to spread the word. http://tvnewslies.org/tvnl/index.php/latest-news-at-a-glance/911-news-at-a-glance.html

SKAWF September 27, 2009 6:06 am (Pacific time)

i remember once seeing an al jazeera news report of an 80 year old afghan man with a bolt action rifle dancing around a downed black hawk helicopter. at the same time UK and US news denied all knowledge that it had happened. i realised at that point, that our media wasnt lying to deny the afghans a small victory, because the report had already been broadcast over there, no , they were lying to us (they could say its to protect the identity of the servicemen/women, but all they have to say is 'helicopter down troops unaccounted for'. so now, that thing i thought was 'the news' becomes something designed distort the truth and condition those it is aimed towards into accepting the view put forward by those who ultimately control it. Ask yourself, does the news give a balanced viewpoint?. the only time we ever get balance is when they control both sides of the story. then of course we have 'divide and rule' One of the most effectively used 'tricks of the trade' it can be applied to nations, coutries, counties, coprperations, commities, groups of people, 2 friends, and even the human mind, though of course for this to be done on any real scale would require control of main stream media or another organization like that....... erm.... oh. i'll wind up by saying that its a question of perspective. 'whats the diference between a genral store and a corperation?' scale. one person vith very little training could run a store, after a while they could understand all the ins and outs of the store and know it inside and out. now take the store manager and make him the head of a corperation. i reckon the first thing that would happen is, the store manager would be overwhelmed with the sheer scale of the operation, it could take years before any competant understanding happened. those who really orchestrated the attacks come from a multi corperate arena (not just one corp, but many acting in coordination with each other like one huge entity). and most people are trying to assess the truth of things, by using the mentality of a general store keeper. its much more complicated than most will ever fully appreciate, but these days there is SO MUCH evidence that the more obscure view is becoming the one that says 'ALL of the resistance is untrue, and that NONE of the evidence that screams toward 'inside job' has any credibility whatsoever' we'll get there in the end (no pun intended) my eternal blessings to you and yours. x

Critical Dutch September 27, 2009 4:07 am (Pacific time)

The American people have been suckered in WW1 and WW2 and Vietnam. It would be naieve to think we are in war with Iraq and Afghanistan on decent moral grounds. I would advise people to watch "Zeitgeist the movie" and be more government critical from now on. Don't believe everything the people in power tell you, scrutinize every reason to go to war these people give you. Their lust for power and money is bigger then the love for their fellow Americans.

Mr. Dickie Pope September 26, 2009 2:47 pm (Pacific time)

Yeah;he 'believes', a lawyer 'believes'. Does he have due EVIDENCE?! When did he first have this 'belief'? Why does't author name perfidious JEW Phillip D.(as in dogface) Zelikow as prime suspect in the treasonable act? Has Farmer ever taken a physics course on Newtonian free fall of objects or how that 1/3 of mass of said buildings disapear in routine destruction(maybe he needs to hear the evidence supporting thermate and mini-nukes-remember the numbers of witnesses that stated 'MULTIPLE EXPLOSIONS WERE GOING OFF BEFORE THE TOWERS CAME DOWN'?Did he keep his eyes and ears closed to all these because he'BELIEVED' or because he felt 'THREATENED'? Did Farmer feel threatened by multiple branches of so called government ,the way 'WE THE PEOPLE' were threatened by the likes of JOHN ASHCROFT,or President George Bush statements? When will Farmer bring CHARGES against all these 1000's of beaurocrates in the plutocracy of this nation? Seems all this rotten lawyer is trying to do is exculpate himself from the mass murder he is partly guilty of. Oh yeah,he is doing this so 'it never happens again'. I 'BELIEVE'this as much as I believe that a third building fell and was reported by the same commision that he was associated with!

Russell Gerst September 26, 2009 8:34 am (Pacific time)

http://physicalevidenceof911.home.mchsi.com

PJ September 26, 2009 1:12 pm (Pacific time)

This says it all: "We are the group defining how it is done, so I don't think your years in college mean much."

Editor: PJ, why exactly does that say it all? For the record, this is the only privately owned semi-MSM news group in the nation that gets the kind of Web traffic it does. People writing here are well traveled and have more degrees than anyone would want to see listed. This staff has several attorneys, noted professors and an osteopathic doctor, Pharmacologist/Forensic Toxicologist. There are also a lot of former U.S. Marines and war veterans. My point is that someone in the peanut gallery who thinks they have it all figured out because they spent four years in school, is out of their league. If they took that education and used it to do something in this world, that is different. Thanks for your comment.

PAUL F MILLER September 26, 2009 12:45 pm (Pacific time)

A brief look at American history notes that "official" deception has been with us since our nation was formed. FDR lies about Pearl Harbor, Truman lies about the atomic bomb, Johnson and the Warren commission lied about JFK, assignation, Bush lied about WMD and Iraq, Bush lied about terrorism ... do we really want the truth, because to me it appears we go to great lengths to embrace the more palatable BS which makes American appear the hero

Georgann Marks September 26, 2009 4:44 am (Pacific time)

When I read the thread of discussion - one thing is always evident. Those who have an interest in the government version are invariably NEOCON and avid Zionists - Jewish and/or Evangelical Christian. Let's have some full disclosure on these threads. I'll go first. I am not Jewish or Evangelical. I think Israel is a murderous rogue country whose supporters in America should be tried for treason for their part in using power slots in government, media and academia to advance the interests of Zionism at the expense of the rest of America. NEXT?

tirebiter/david colvey September 25, 2009 9:27 pm (Pacific time)

funny, i've always believed, at least from my journalism classes, the 'editor' keeps his/her mouth shut even when not in agreement with a post. btw, why does it seem the most vociferous buyers of a cover-up, have the most difficulty with spelling english. rememeber the saying that 1st graders' mind are like clay to be molded, it seems to me, some of the loudest posts are a bit hindered by something less than a 6th grade education.

Editor: Geez David, you sound like one stuffy and snobby dude. I have twenty plus years under my belt in every possible aspect of news, from radio to TV ENG work, reporter, war photographer, assignment editor, producer, etc., plus five years of Internet publishing. We are the group defining how it is done, so I don't think your years in college mean much. I don't mean that as a slam on education, but it is funny when people allow themselves to become so condescending. Remember, we hate most what we fear in ourselves. By the way, in the English language we generally start sentences with a capital letter. Remember, the classroom is an introduction to life. You need the second part before you really know very much. I could be really rude to you, and I will be next time if that is what is merited. Again, you have a great deal to learn, good luck to you.

BTW, other names used by this poster in the past include H dudley, Karen Swanson, alexis, RECONQUISTADOR and Renee Jones.

Eddy September 25, 2009 3:42 pm (Pacific time)

We've been shouting "INSIDE JOB" for 8 years now... it's about time for someone to take the blame for it and be sentenced for murdering over 3000 people!

Andrew Johnson September 25, 2009 10:13 am (Pacific time)

It is surprising to some people there has actually been an ongoing independent investigation into the events of 9/11. It has even formed the basis of a Qui Tam fraud case: http://tinyurl.com/911qtam It is based on a re-examination of evidence all but hidden from view - unless you spend time looking for it: http://tinyurl.com/911key A study of this evidence could turn your world upside down. So, are you ready for the truth? You'll only know the answer to that if you look for it.

gary walker September 25, 2009 7:06 am (Pacific time)

9/11 never forget: Inside Job

David Raymond Amos September 24, 2009 7:36 pm (Pacific time)

I must ask the obvious question. How do lawyers and politicans sleep at night? Need I say that I saved my communications with Johnny Farmer and his pals in the 911 Commission before I went home to run for a seat in Parliament in 2004? Ask Lee hamilton if my name came up to the former Prime Minister of Canada Paul Martin after he and Senator Kerry left the Oval Office early for the strangest of reasons EH. Check this file before you doubt me. http://www.scribd.com/doc/2718120/Integrity-Yea-Right Veritas Vincit David Raymond Amos

crowbar September 24, 2009 7:19 pm (Pacific time)

Prof. Farmer, thanks for opaning up. There are many others that should. It does take courage to be part of a lie and to then reveal, at least, part of the lie. I betcha you could do a lot better though.

syed salamah ali mahdi September 24, 2009 10:09 am (Pacific time)

Much before 9/11 I saw a Hollywood thriller which had exactly the same story as what has been hidden from the American public by the same villians appearing in the film; rogue elements in Pentagon and corrupt US Govt Officials. Right after 9/11 all copies of this film simply evaporated in the US and Europe. The villians in 9/11 were Arabs conveniently put in the aircrafts. The aircraft were guided from land to hit the two towers. No large aircraft hit the Pentagon and the Philly aircraft is a figment of Pentagon+CIA+Cheney-Bush imaginations. Ever since World War II, both the Pentagon and CIA have been trying to run the Administration & Congress using all types of threats,chicanery and corrupt practices to become the de facto Govt of the US forever. In come the Christian Belt and the Zionists with the Pentagon and CIA and you get 9/11! Neither the Oval Office nor the Congress can run the country without putting both the Pentagon & CIA under their control.

PeterD September 23, 2009 10:41 pm (Pacific time)

Forgive me for being critical, but what you offer are just warmed over old quotes that have been circulating since early this year or even since the stone age. Can you write a real book review so we can have some idea what this book is really about. Much thanks.

Anonymous September 24, 2009 1:39 pm (Pacific time)

It appears that you conspiracy buffs have found a place to ruminate. Now if you can get some major news organizations on board. I wonder why none share your same view at least publically? I would think that those scientifically trained in recognizing 911 as a conspiracy would be front and center in the media providing their evidence. How about the ACLU? Maybe they're too busy outing intelligence operatives? Maybe Eric Holder, Attorney General, but he's too busy helping to impact morale of those above mentioned intelligence operatives. Maybe Chris Mathews and Keith Olbermann can team up and present your theories? Maybe...

Joe September 24, 2009 12:09 pm (Pacific time)

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Truthseeker September 24, 2009 10:52 am (Pacific time)

I am so thankful that John Farmer has written this book and that Mr. Duff has told us about it. I do understand Farmer's limitations in what was said and not said. I was blissfully ignorant about 9/11 until one day I happened to be on the computer and ran across a very well written article about the fact that many government and military people do not beleve the "official" story about 9/11. That started a five-year journey which has brought me more information and knowledge than I ever wanted. It has shaken me and left me wondering if there is truly any hope for the restoration of the Constitutional Republic we were given by our forefathers. But I am determined that, day by day, I will continue to try to awaken others to the facts....facts we are not told in the meanstream news and media. Mr. Duff's article about this new book has given me a very much needed tool. Thank you so much!!

StopLying September 24, 2009 9:59 am (Pacific time)

Lee Hamilton's view http://stoplying.ca/video/Lee_Hamilton_911_Commission_Failed.htm

Richard Wilkinson September 24, 2009 8:32 am (Pacific time)

Finally someone with balls, never thought I would see it. I shot my TV Sept.20 2001.

rachel September 24, 2009 8:04 am (Pacific time)

Thermite found in dust by 3 independent labs. Both towers were designed with the in pact of a 747 hitting each one several times in mind. It would take 44,800 explosive devices going off in split second precission to bring down the towers into their foot print yet 2 airplanes loaded with standard aviation fuel were able to do just that. 500 camera surrounding the pentagon and no release of the actual craft that hit the building. The maneuver made by an newbie citizen pilot to hit the pentagon has pilots in awe for it's impossible for the aircraft to make the bank at that speed and level. over 800 pilots have signed a petition calling for a new investigation. Over a 1000 engineers and architects have also called for a new investigation. The late George Carlin stated he wouldn't trust the government to do the investigation. The evidence is clear...9/11 was an inside job.

Freedom September 24, 2009 7:47 am (Pacific time)

@Dennis United we fall would be the correct way to state the actual case. Combining into a single unified group would open the movement to being co-opted by small numbers of disinformation, paid informants or loyal opposition members. The very reason this moment will not die, is that instead of waiting for orders form headquarters, they are moving to the sound of the guns. Unification of the various patriot, truther, and independence movements would result in their immediate death and movement to obscurity. Stop trying to fight 2nd and 3rd generation tactics with 2nd and 3rd generation tactics. We can't win lining up in lines and allowing ourselves to be shot by professionals in formation. 4th generation war is superior and will be our only chance. Decentralization, not centralization will save us.

Ted Guertin September 24, 2009 7:11 am (Pacific time)

Thank you for this important and courageous article. Anyone who has looked into the many disturbing questions regarding the events of 9/11, know that there is a MOUNTAIN of evidence that suggests the 'official' conspiracy theory can't possibly be true. The implications of this are far reaching. Citizens who care about America must demand a new, real and independent investigation!

Dave September 24, 2009 5:52 am (Pacific time)

I'll explain why finding out what really happened is so difficult,ISRAEL ISRAEL ISRAEL!. What other nation/group of people could thwart an investigation into the key evidence of the massive call options that were placed on the airlines involved just before the event? If these massive shorts were committed by an Arab nation we would track it like bloodhounds,so something tells me that it was done by an extremely persuasive lobby. Our nation is as occupied as any in the mideast,the difference is that we don't fully realize it yet which allows deceptive false flags like 911 to occur. You can bet that if a dirty bomb-or worse-explodes in a major US city,it will not have been committed by Iran,but it will certainly be blamed on them. Thanks to the web we are slowly seeing the truth.

Mike September 24, 2009 12:35 am (Pacific time)

One commenter says: "Have you got any first responders who agree with your creative conspiracies?" Well, they disagree with the official story, yes. Take a look at the documentary on YouTube called National Alert or National Security Alert. They interview Pentagon witnesses on site, most of who are gov't workers. All of them agree with each other about the flight path of the plane. The official story has it coming one way and all the witnesses have it coming from another. These witnesses (14 total, I think)establish a flight path which could not have caused the reported damage. For these witnesses to all be wrong would be quite extraordinary. The plane was so low - coming toward them or over top of them - that it would be ridiculous to say that all were wrong and that the plane, in fact, came from the other side as the gov't says. This indicates, at the very least, a doctoring of evidence. Also, many witnesses in NYC talk about bombs going off. William Rodriquez was a recognized hero that day for saving people. He says he was in the basement when an explosion went off down there. One guy came out of the elevator with skin hanging off him. This is 100 floors beneath the impact zone. Others testify to the countdown on the radio for the WTC 7 demolition. Even NIST admits the building fell in free-fall the first 100 ft at least. All support columns would have had to fail simultaneously for that to happen.

David September 23, 2009 11:03 pm (Pacific time)

I once believed all the lies because the "event" was so over the top that it looked like a Hollywood production. Or wasn't it? Still, years later and with sober reflection, it hits me that aircraft don't simply disappear into the tiny remains, what little were recovered, with multi ton engines, landing gear, luggage, BODIES, etc.. in not only one but two locations on the same day. These things simply don't happen. If airliners can slam into mountains and leave debris and carnage scattered everywhere how is it that the Pentagon and a dirt field in Pennsylvania can pull a David Copperfield and make them vanish? It's simply illogical and impossible. With regards to the twin towers and Bldg 7. Even if I accept that the twin towers collapsed due to plane crashes... I'd have to turn all my rational thinking off to accept that a third building, that was hardly damaged at all, would need to be dynamited shortly, very shortly, afterwards. So does the NYPD have a staff on hand with demolitions expertise on call at a moments notice? Do we ever see footage of cops or firemen entering this building with stacks of C4, det cord, dynamite or whatever, to then expertly place them throughout the building, something that professional demo companies take weeks, and any interviews with said demolition crews afterwards? Nada. Not a peep . Nothing but the smell of BS from that day to the present. To me bldg 7 and the non-crashes in DC and Penn are the smoking guns and tell me it's all a lie.

Visionaerie September 23, 2009 9:56 pm (Pacific time)

It looks like Farmer is trying to make up for past wrongs with this production, but what does it prove? Looks like more conscious cognitive dissonance to me. It's obvious that the government story isn't true -- you can CLEARLY see the explosions on each floor as the tower fell. The whole truth is somewhere in between the official line and the most outlandish conspiracy. The tragedy is that so many people died, but it did give birth to a lot of great alternative media and documentary makers. But let's not get obsessed by all this -- let's work to restore freedom for everyone, instead of getting too sidetracked!

Troy Howland September 23, 2009 5:38 pm (Pacific time)

Quote from Editor;(Gordon, like myself, loves this nation and wants to see it be what it is supposed to be. We aren't total and complete cynics. It is hard for us to swallow something as extreme as this, but we are on the road, dig?) I appreciate your words (I am listening) and will be more careful when showing people the light into 911 and other stuff. So, I will not lam bast people with 50 points in 2 minutes without you having a chance to digest one or two topics of question or concern. All I ask for everyone is to do your own research and, then, decide for yourself. It will become clear and obvious for you very quick!

Dennis September 23, 2009 9:33 am (Pacific time)

Thanks so much for this artice and thanks for the site you offer Arnie. I will be joining it as soon as I finish this and I have a long list of people that will follow suit as soon as they get an e-mail from me.
I would however like to add this idea.
#1; Most people in America can use a computor somewhat but lacks the ability to build a site etc.
#2; There seems to be litterly hundreds of truther sites on line.
#3; You are the people that needs to get together.
Everyone of you that already has a site has your own followers. United we stand. Devided we fall.
The people like yourself, that has the ability to put up a site such as this owns the truth. We all know what the truth is about 9/11 but unless we become a single voice, in an army of people, we will loose this war we are in. And friend, we are in the worst war America, or any other country in the world has ever been in. And it is against our own government.
We must take control back and we can't do so devided.
Please, use this idea and start talking to anyone on the net with a truthers site. Ya'll are ther generals in this war.You all have soldiers from privates to the full bird.
It's in ya'lls lap to lead this army into battle. I'd say I am up to about an E-6 or maybe E-7 so far in this army we have but but I can't find the C.O.
So prepare this army for battle Sir.
I have over a hundred people that looks to me for new info. And every single one of them are building a network of friends they pass things on to.
I forget who said it but they said something about being in a false war. I too, was decieved and believed what I was told at the time. But I seen the truth while I was still in service.
I went into service in Jan. 1975. I was in the 82nd Airborne.Went through Rangers training and snipers school but stayed in the 82nd. Being on line with some things that have happened lately, I can't say much but I will go this far out on the limb. Just read between the lines.
I took four trips to nam in 76 and 77. First three went fine. Fourth didn't. Let's just say I wouldn't fire my weapon for personal reasons, beat the s&%t out of a sarge and lt. and recieved a BCDischarge shortly there after. With a promise to live in a cage for 20 years if I open my mouth.
If you or anyone else for that matter, wants to talk further about this matter or just trying get things joined together, please e-mail me @ dennis_phillips7@yahoo.com ..
Thanks again for this site and get ready for some e-mails.
Dennis

robertsgt40 September 23, 2009 7:04 am (Pacific time)

I see a common thread in those that refuse to look at the evidence. DENIAL. They can't process factual data to come to any logical conclusion. To believe that your govt would never lie to you is beyond their scope. Until enough people are fed up, nothing will change. As a Viet Vet I trusted my govt. It wasn't until years later I found the war to be a fraud. Much like today. When the folks have an "ah-ha" moment they may see the light...and many never will.

Anonymous September 23, 2009 6:07 am (Pacific time)

No conspiracy? Good for you, Mr Dunn, and good for Farmer for demonstrating that top US government officials lied through their teeth. I doubt that the truth of what actually happened on 911 will ever be known. Deep political events, such as 911, JFK, MLK, RFK assassinations, have a curious habit of staying permanently under wraps. But if the only consequence of Mr Farmer's book and statements made by various other 911 commission members is that a greater number of Americans learn that their government is full of crooks and liars, that, already, would be a significant step in the right direction. Meanwhile, that entire Bush dynasty, from Prescott, to George H, George W, Marvin, and Jeb is quite the family from hell, with Marvin, a principal in the company Securacom, which provided security for the World Trade Center, United Airlines, and Dulles International Airport, up to the day the buildings came down. Jeb was the ever-faithful family member, ensuring his brother's election in 2000 and later rushing in to confiscate documents at the Huffman Aviation, Florida, flight school, the very night of Sept 11, 2001, to deliver them personally to Washington the following day. See also Florida Governor Jeb's prescient issuance of Executive Orders: [usual prefix+]bit.ly/Fxzxo. Hellish. Speaking of prescience, the following clip should be of interest, too. Less than 10 hours after the attacks, the BBC managed to bring together a group of neo-cons, Richard Perle, Frank Gaffney, Ehud Barak, for its 'Newsnight' program, each of whom pointed a finger at their favorite Muslim bogeyman or country du jour, with Gaffney going so far as to suggest, "Unfortunately there will be infringement on [domestic US] personal liberty and freedoms": [usual prefix+]bit.ly/2wQ4GW. Astonishing how much each of them knew at such an early hour.

Anonymous September 21, 2009 6:35 pm (Pacific time)

No conspiracy.

Sam September 21, 2009 2:26 pm (Pacific time)

Thanks for your article, which I found linked today on WhatReallyHappened.com. You say, "Have we yet found where the lies have begun and ended? There is no evidence of this, only evidence to the contrary. The lies live on and the truth will never be sought. The courage for that task has not been found." Actually lots of people have shown a lot of courage about finding out what really didn't happen (namely the Government version), finding out what did happen, and publishing their information on the internet. From information now freely available to anywone who uses Google, there are at least these two things that appear clear to me: (1) 9/11 wasn't done by Muslims at all. (2) 9/11 was done by Israelis, with help from many highly placed Americans.

Casey September 21, 2009 2:21 pm (Pacific time)

Plane and body parts all over the Pentagon. Hundreds of witnesses (heavy traffic and many pedestrians in area) saw the crash and first responders from Arlington Fire Department have had endless media interviews about the carnage (they are online, just google that department and do some basic research). Any of you conspiracy buffs on the scene? Have you got any first responders who agree with your creative conspiracies? How about flight controllers who followed the jet into the Pentagon on radar, any of them come forward to provide a different scenario? Anyone at all in the last 8 years come forward to go along with you that aided and abetted the murder of 3,000 or so people other than the terrorists?

Editor: First, I have looked extensively and there are no photos as you reference, even if they did somehow exist. Second, why would a person go to the agency in question, read their explanation and then just walk away? I take it you are more of a sheep than an investigator, and by that I only mean that you are one who will hold onto the more comfortable story at all costs. The 9/11 story from the U.S. government is so full of holes, you could never name them all. So, don't put false information in our comment section, or it won't be approved. I especially love your last line, yes I'm sure everyone involved will just run forward at some time and tell the truth, in our dreams.

pj September 21, 2009 1:56 pm (Pacific time)

a plane had a missil under it,the plane dropped the missil, and then flew over the pantagon and landed at an airport. i thought that was common knoledge.hence a 16ft hole and no air plane bebri

Frank Graham September 21, 2009 10:18 am (Pacific time)

Thank you so much Salem-News and Gordon for this article!! Everyone please support the new 9/11 investigation at http://www.nyccan.org

Arnie September 21, 2009 10:17 am (Pacific time)

Thought this would be of interest to readers. Since September 2001 I have maintained a free and confidential "9/11 list-serv". The "9/11 list-serv" distributes daily e-mails containing newspaper articles and other relevant information re: 9/11 issues of interest to 9/11 families, 9/11 organizations and interested individuals. The 9/11 List-serv archives can be accessed at http://groups.google.com/group/911-list-serv If you would like to 'subscribe' to this free news service - send an e-mail to amkorotkin@aol.com with the word "subscribe" in the subject box. Arnie

Auntiegrav September 21, 2009 9:37 am (Pacific time)

Great stuff. Thanks. There is a chain of unfinished investigations leading back to the overthrow of Iran's Mossadeq (sp?) and even to Nazi-supporting companies in WWII. The screw-ups always seem to be buried under the term "bureaucratic confusion" or "CIA success". How do we know that the CIA didn't kill Kennedy? He's dead, isn't he? The truth may eventually be found, but it will be buried in someone's PhD thesis at Yale and never heard from again.

Uncle Matt September 21, 2009 9:21 am (Pacific time)

Great article. Where were the interceptors on 911? The "plane" that hit the Pentagon was "allowed" to fly for over an hour unimpeded. Where were the 10 ton Boeing 767 engines in the debris field at the Pentagon crash site? Where were the human remains? How come WTC 1,2+7 imploded and fell to the ground at free fall speed? We are asked to believe these lies. Farmer owes the reader an explanation and the details he was privy to, but that information,is, "classified".Only a thorough criminal investigation as to what happened on 9/11 will suffice. Reopen the investigation and get the truth.

What pictures? September 21, 2009 6:58 am (Pacific time)

If you believe that the Gov't doesn't have anything to hide, why won't they release the photos of the plane hitting the Pentagon? There were 20+ security cameras OUTSIDE the pentagon (gas stations, hotels, etc.), plus whatever was on the bldg. Wake up, people. Thanks to the Salem-News.com for covering this book review.

David September 21, 2009 5:37 am (Pacific time)

Thanks for this review. In order for a nation to stand up for government accountability, a critical mass is required. Pockets of awareness don't cut it. In fact without focused individuals, cynicism and bitterness arise. Coverage like this is yet another small sure step toward that mass of awareness. Let's all use it to assuage any doubt or anger and make the next step.

Anonymous September 20, 2009 1:32 pm (Pacific time)

Let’s not forget that it was 3 changes during the Clinton Administration (who gave missile-guidance technology to the ChiComs) that enabled 9/11: 1. He shut down the process of using as informants anyone who may have committed civil-rights abuses in the past. “Snitches” are generally former operatives or scumbag opportunists willing to betray for money. MOST have committed some type of civil-rights abuses. 2. He refocused the efforts of the CIA and FBI FROM new terrorist investigation TO investigated PAST interrogations to ensure no civil rights were violated in the past. 3. He shut down (through Gorelick who then led the committee to investigate and condemn the lack of intelligence) the sharing of information between the various intelligence agencies, thereby eliminating communication and destroying the possibility of cross-point interaction among the subjects they were investigating. These three changes effectively castrated the ability of our intelligence agencies to do their job: protecting America and Americans from attack.

Editor: Sorry, maybe you didn't read the part about how false propaganda is not allowed here, perhaps? Blaming 9/11 on Clinton is baseless and frankly, pretty lame. For those reading this, there is a simple video clip with President Clinton that will explain exactly what was taking place when he was in office regarding al Queda: Clinton interview with Chris Wallace on FOX

Mike September 19, 2009 8:00 pm (Pacific time)

Can we dispense with the mock shock now? It's stale and boring. You are a marine veteran who, from the looks of you, probably saw combat in Vietnam. After that fiasco, what with Tiger Force and all, you find it difficult and supposedly are "shocked" that the government lied concerning the events of 9/11. And, uh just when did this "epiphany" happen to you? The whole scenario is just....contrived, and not very well, either.
Your government sent you to fight someone else's war, and even left some of you there to rot because it was "embarrasing", politically speaking, and you find it "shocking" that the government would commit even more sordid crimes. OK, so you didn't actually *say* the government was in on 9/11, but you did say that people IN the government lied. Which implies what? Duh. Why would the government lie? Duh. You are aware, correct, that the very next day, all forensic evidence was taken away...yes, picked up, bagged up and shipped to..? China, Remember China? Nixon's good friend. Now that seems just a bit odd, wouldn't you say? Not to mention ILLEGAL!!! Why would anyone do that? Why, why why why?
So, you see that this is old news. We already KNOW that 19 Arabs didn't "hijack" a plane with boltcutters, blah,blah. How stupid do they think we are. It's getting a bit offensive, just like your stale SHOCK! at the obvious fact of sticky slimy finferprints with one word, over and over. FEDDIE,FEDDIE,FEDDIE
And in case there is a non thinking blob out there in cyberspace, (c'mon, there is at least one) It means the FEDS

Editor: You know Mike, you come across as a condescending jerk, straight up. So you believe you have some advanced sense of thinking when it comes to this, yet you don't so much as use a last name? I suggest you put a tone of respect in your next comment or I'll flush it like an irritating turd, which is all I gauge you to be at this point. The people who may some day be able to communicate this to the American public, have to be rational. You act like everyone should know what you claim to know, when in fact I think it is way less than one or two percent of the nation. Gordon, like myself, loves this nation and wants to see it be what it is supposed to be. We aren't total and complete cynics. It is hard for us to swallow something as extreme as this, but we are on the road, dig?

Anonymous September 19, 2009 7:11 am (Pacific time)

Cam thanks for bringing up the salient point. As well read and informed people know, it was Jamie Gorelick (sp?), 2nd in command at Janet Reno's AG that created the scenario that stopped our law enforcement and intelligence agencies (the "WALL") from sharing information. Then she sits on the 911 commission, so couple that with Sandy Berger (NSA director) who goes and steals intelligence documents. Also let's not forget that he stopped the CIA operatives from taking out Osama. So if one really wants to take "known facts" and weave a conspiracy scenario, we have one far more believeable than the one some others are attempting to peddle. If Bush did anything major wrong in dealing with this matter, it was failing to go after the people who crippled our intelligence gathering. Maybe someday we will get the correct investigation in this matter for two main reasons: 1) To learn what are mistakes were and how to avoid duplicating them, and 2) to hold those accountable for the domestic responsibility of diminishing our ability to stop the 9/11 war crime.

Cam September 17, 2009 10:11 pm (Pacific time)

You people do realize that Farmer's book calls out the ineptitude of government bureaucracy and the walls that cut off communication between agencies, and is not about a conspiracy of the attack itself? Oh, who am I kidding. You wouldn't care if you did. Conspiracies are so much fun.

wearedoomed? September 17, 2009 9:20 pm (Pacific time)

Truth is Treason in the empire of lies.

Judy September 17, 2009 12:48 am (Pacific time)

It's about f***ing time! Thanks to those who never quit looking for the truth and finding it!

Erik Larson September 15, 2009 3:31 pm (Pacific time)

Farmer says the Commission Report is accurate- that NORAD officials made false statements (if you believe the Commission's version of events) was already known, and had been reported by a few MSM, like the Washington Post. However, the 'false statements' were never examined in as much detail as Farmer does in his book- the Commission Report notes "incorrect" statements made on pg 34. Farmer blames the failure of the INS, State Dept, CIA, FBI, FAA and NORAD on 'bureaucracy'. For a much more complete and accurate history of 9/11 than Farmer presents in his book, visit the Complete 9/11 Timeline http://www.historycommons.org/project.jsp?project=911_project

fedupvet September 14, 2009 1:29 am (Pacific time)

Why is our Military,or troops willing to walk the streets of America - Locked and Loaded -.Who are they going to shoot...Americans? It`s sickening to see Americans in uniform threatening other American. Remember "Kent State".They will Kill you if told to,that`s a fact.Now that we many soldiers,and Marines that carry two flags...I wonder more.

Ben September 13, 2009 10:31 am (Pacific time)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y8lbQxvj7lw N O R A D ???

Jeff September 12, 2009 10:45 am (Pacific time)

Excellent. Here is a new 911 song http://www.archive.org/details/WakeUp_542

gravel kucinich paul nader September 12, 2009 9:56 am (Pacific time)

Left and rights of passage Black and whites of youth Who can face the knowledge That the truth is not the truth? Obsolete absolute... Does the Government and Propaganda Media lie to you? Future of a Nation that can not trust the Government and Propaganda Media?

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