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29 October 2014

OLD GRAY MULE Have An Amazing New Album Out Now Called HAVE MERCY!

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   Old Gray Mule's Have Mercy is an absolutely brilliant statement on the state of post-Junior Kimbrough, post-R.L. Burnside, Paul "Wine" Jones, and Post-T-Model Ford-style alt-blues, or whatever it's called. It's got all you need: Texas guitarist meets Mississippi drummer and clicks hard with North Mississippi Hill Country grooves packed with south of Austin soul-stylistics, and plenty of central Texas grit. It sets a high bar for everyone involved in this kind of music, not just in its musicianship, which is outstanding, but for its sonic construction as well. You'll want to listen to this on headphones just as loud as you will on the big speakers. Out in your yard. With all your family, friends, and neighbors. There'll be mas Cerveza, plenty of barbeque, and whiskey for those who need it. This is the year of the Old Gray Mule party y'all!

^Have Mercy sounds like this^
 
I contacted OGM's OG, C.R. Humphrey to talk about the new work:


DB (Rick Saunders) :: Tell me about your ideas, thoughts, influences for the way you approached recording Have Mercy...sonically. It sounds fantastic on headphones, and just as killer blasting from the speakers (and it sounds great played quietly, too.) I dig the trippyness of the production on the song Have Mercy. The vocals in particular are something else, particularly considering your history as an instrumental unit. I'm also interested in your ideas behind the re-do/update of Son House's Don't You Mind People Grinning In Your Face. That song, as amazing as it is, is such a blues classic now. How'd you manage to make it so fresh? And who the hell's doing vocals on Stop Playin'? Is that JJ? 'Cause DAMN.

C.R. Humphrey:: Ha! Well, I guess I didn't realize it was the new Mustang Sally!  I'd only ever heard one band do it live, and that was Meredith Kimbrough (who sang on No Sleep Til Memphis) and her band Mother Merey and the Black Dirt. They did an acapella version that had that work song feel to it at a show we all played together in Austin and for some reason it always stuck with me. So I worked up my version of it and tried to put that work song feel into it as well, with that foot stomp/hand clap beat, unison singing, slower pace...all that shit. And yeah man that's JJ on Stop Playin. As the sessions progressed, you could hear his confidence level in his vocals rise, it was awesome.

Sonic approach -
   What I was shooting for with these records was a kind of "brand new old school" sort of sensibility if that makes any sense? We did our best to keep it raw where it needed to be raw, yet add more modern production to the atmospheric trippy tunes. Probably the best example I can think of is Don't You Mind where we started with a field hollar vibe with the unison vocals and handclaps, but with the guitar and more modern drum beats accompanying. That's something we're going to explore further on the next record...that foot-stomp/hand-clap vocal heavy stuff. Nothing closer to The Source than that.

   As for the studio, it's KNOWN for hip-hop, metal, and gospel. Matter of fact I think it was the second or third session for these albums...Lil Wayne tried to get our studio time, but we had lockout and the studio owner stuck by us, so LW had to wait. But the pedigree of the place was pretty damn good...Lil Wayne, Master P, Lil Boosie, all those NOLA rappers had recorded there, Down, Crowbar, Corrosion Of Conformity, all those southern metal guys had recorded there..hell Phil Anselmo broke the sink off the wall shagging a girl in the bathroom when Down was recording NOLA. Our engineer recorded RL Burnside at some point as well. Add that to the fact that the effects of Katrina on the exterior of the building were still visible...the place had a vibe for sure.

- Vocals
   Prior to these albums, I hated singing and I only did it when I had to. JJ had always been a side man too, I mean he sang in church, but I don't think he'd ever been the front man until we recorded My Lyin Ass on No Sleep Til Memphis. What we discovered at the second session was that we sounded good when we sang together. Not only that but singing in unison gave us more confidence and somebody to hide behind if you know what I mean? Which of course leads to better singing. JJ was singing along with the studio roughs every time we were in the car getting better and better and better. Vocals are still our weakest point, I feel, but having the time to work on it during these sessions was invaluable.

DB:: I disagree on the vocals. I mean, I can see your point, but you're wrong ;0)  They're terrific. You've gone thru a couple drummers in your career as Old Gray Mule, but you and JJ are a very tight unit, and you became that way in a pretty short amount of time when you think of the actual amount of time you've spent together, with him in Louisiana and you in Texas.

How did you guys get together? Also, if you would, tell us about your guitar set up. I believe someone just made you a cigarbox guitar?

CR: I got to know JJ because of: a hot Latina, some big dogs, and some BIG damn snakes!

   JJ was playing drums for Lightnin Malcolm a couple years back, and we were all playing a show at Antone's up in Austin together. Malcolm was staying with friends in Austin, but they had dogs and big ass snakes...so JJ said fuck THAT and told Malcolm he'd sleep in the truck. So when I got there to hang out pre-show, Malcolm asked if J could stay at my house and I said of course. JJ ended up staying with us for 3-4 days and my kids adopted him on day 1...by the time he left he was family. That weekend he was here we recorded Blue Front and Break For Me which were on the Like A Apple On A Tree album. We played together about 5 minutes here at the house, then went to the studio and laid down those two tracks in about 15 minutes. Then almost a year later we played an all night yard party on the Friday night of the juke joint festival in Clarksdale, MS with no rehearsal, just those 20 minutes of playing together the year before. Then we played Shack Up all damn night Saturday night with Lightnin, and again on Sunday. And that's the way it went until we started recording these albums...the gigs WERE the rehearsal.

   We just fit naturally, he understands what I'm saying when I'm playing guitar, and I understand what he's saying on the drums so we can modify songs on the fly depending on what the crowd is into with damn little verbal communication. The only other drummer I was able to do that with was Cedric that night we played Antone's as a duo. It's very stress-free playing

   Yes, I did just get a cigarbox guitar. My first one. A fan in England named Paul Smith (Stompin Hogg cigar box guitars) made it for me and it's badass. It took some getting used to because the body is so small, but it's fun to play. I mess around on it every day or so.

   For my live guitar setup...
I use two guitars, a 5 string tuned to Open F, and a six string tuned to D Standard which I also re-tune to Open D or Open G if we're headlining or playing a longer opening set and have the time. If we're supporting then it's just Open F and D Standard. On these albums I used a bunch of different guitars and amps and pedals...not really tone chasing, but trying to make myself a little uncomfortable so I'd concentrate more and hopefully that would generate a tighter performance. I feel like it worked, but how y'all feel about it is what really matters.

   One sort of goofy thing we used that I'd never tried before was an old 70's Fender PA head through a Marshall cabinet. That thing is on almost all the songs along with either my Bassman Ten, a friend's 410 Fender De Ville, an old Deluxe, I think I dusted off my old Twin and brought it down one time...regardless there are two guitar amps on every song, and if we doubled the guitar tracks I'd play a separate guitar and amp combo so it would SOUND like two guitars not just the same tone doubled up. Never doubled tracks before, but it was a lot of fun. Guitar-wise most of it is Telecasters of one stripe or another...the main one being a stock '74. Hump Night 55 was an old played-out 64 Fender Jaguar that the label owner had literally played the frets off back in his punk days in the 70's. Kimbro Style was an Epiphone hollowbody with 3 P90's. Edge Of My Head was the Strat I got back in high school that I put the electronics from a Gibson L6S into. Front Porch was a 1921 Gibson L4 I was allowed to borrow for that track and holy crap that thing sounded good.

DB:: You're going back to Australia next year. What's with you and Australia, and does your wife know about this? How many times have you played there now, and how'd it get started with Australia? Did she buy you a Foster's late one night in Austin, and next thing you know....?

CR::  The Australia love affair...yep Molly knows, we've had Aussies at our house several times a year every year since the first tour. Our first three albums were released on an indie label from Adelaide, and they helped get us (me and CW Ayon) down there for the Backwater Blues Festival in 2011 and toured with Chris Russell's Chicken Walk.

   We (me and JJ Wilburn) went back down in 2013 to play the Wangaratta Jazz Festival then toured with Chris Russell's Chicken Walk. This Feb we (me and JJ) are returning to tour with The Backsliders which is Dom Turner on guitar and vocals, Rob Hirch (from Midnight Oil) on drums/percussion, and Ian Collard on harmonica. They're world class musicians in their own right and I believe all of them are in 5-6 bands and we can't friggin wait to head down under again. We're returning to Australia again next year in May as well as New Zealand to play some dates and a festival I'm not allowed to divulge the name of yet. We've played Victoria, South Australia, New South Wales, and Tasmania so far, and will be adding Queensland and possibly Western Australia next year.

DB:: That's a good way to get some serious frequent flyer miles!

What about a tour of the states? Any plans?
I'd love to see y'all and i'm sure a lot of other folks would too.

CR::  Man. There is nothing I'd love more than to tour in the US, the problem with that is I flat can't afford it. Molly got laid off last year, we're both scrambling to tread water financially, plus we've got the kids to feed and clothe and house...so the only way we can tour the US is to be paid, and unfortunately that requires us being at a level where there is a demand that would support us. So far that demand has been in Australia. We're hoping these albums will create that demand, so we can hit the road closer to home

DB:: I wonder if you've done any research on the number of bands having their mom on the album? Your's happens to rock a didgeridoo on one track. Did it just hit you, Oh Crap! That song (Edge Of My Head) needs a didgeridoo? Who do we know...?

CR:: Haaaa! Nope, the didge thing is something we've done for years. Back when we were playing TC's Lounge every Friday night Mom would come do that same tune with us I think the idea came about because she had a didge in D and that tune was the only one we were doing at the time that the didge didn't muddy up the sound, so we've been doing it ever since. Adding that track was a tip of the hat to our Oz folks.

DB:: Your comment about tipping your hat to Albert Collins on Stop Playin made me think about all the other hat tipping that goes on not just on this recording and the forthcoming Hump Night 55, but throughout your catalog. Why is that so important to you?

CR:: We tip our hats to the folks who came before us on every album because we didn't invent this shit, and I want people to know who inspired us. Also, I get excited to be able to record the songs that got me fired up to play music in the first place. There are some very unique styles that seem to have passed on with the folks who played them. We lost T-Model Ford last year for example, and there are maybe three people I've ever heard who can get close to his style. As for Stop Playin, to me nobody was better at a 12 bar slow blues than Albert Collins. Now, I sure am not anywhere near the master that he was, but I feel like we captured a close approximation of an Albert Collins slow blues with Stop Playin. The horns helped with that, and having Buckwheat Zydeco on that tune also allowed me to tip my hat to Clifton Chenier. That song also has some Albert King in there, some T-Bone Walker in there, and I suppose there's some CR Humphrey in there too...and I like all those guys, and I have felt joy because of all those guy's music.

DB:: I think a lot of people will feel joy in this album, as well as heartache, pain, and just plain ol' happiness too. They'll get that from from the storys, the songs, from the music, and from the fact that Old Gray Mule and Have Mercy have confirmed that blues music is far from dead. It is alive, kickin', growing and evolving.

   I've been writing about Old Gray Mule for years now, and have watched Charlie Humphrey grow this thing from from a guy recording instrumental blues in a tiny studio in Lockhart, Texas, playing with pick-up and semi-permanent drummers (cheers CW!), to playing with an exceptional drummer and singer, to a guy that someone finally gave a chance, a (financial) break to prove himself, prove what he could do with his blues, and what could be done with blues...and he took that chance and ran to a full moon over New Orleans with it.

   Old Gray Mule has made a pair of exceptional albums in Have Mercy and the forthcoming collection Hump Night 55. I've asked you to go buy albums, to give bands your money, and i'm not gonna ask that with this album. I'm gonna beg you. If you love the music I write about please, Please, Please baby, PLEASE! Buy this album. You will thank me.
Please go HERE.

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   In addition to this interview, I asked CR to write me up a sort of Cliff's Notes of the sessions for this Have Mercy, and for the forthcoming piece delightfully entitled Hump Night 55. Here's what's up with that:

   2013 was a hell of a year. The bad luck started when the engineer on "No Sleep Til Memphis" had a complete mental break and disappeared with my album and my money. A very short time later several folks I had worked with fighting wildfires were killed, followed by Molly getting laid off, then an old friend being killed by a drunk driver, and finally our Australian tour which I was now hoping would pay rent and groceries through the winter had more than it's fair share of Spinal Tap moments. So, by Christmas I was depressed, heart-sore, tired, and ready to stop playing music professionally for a very long while. For real.

   Then between Christmas and New Year's Eve, the phone rang and the voice on the other end said, "Hey, I just booked some time at a studio here in New Orleans, do you want to come down and record an album?"

   Heavy sigh, "……sure" I said.

   That phone call launched six months of miracles, and both albums. From January to June 2014, I was commuting between my home in Lockhart TX, Cash Munkey Records headquarters in Covington LA, and Festival Studios in Kenner, LA (out by the New Orleans airport). Every morning JJ and I would cross Lake Pontchartrain and head into the city to record. We would lunch at Subway, dinner at Bud's Broiler on Veteran's Ave, and sometime after midnight we'd hop in the car to drive across the 27 mile long Pontchartrain causeway and listen to that day's sessions on the CD player.

   We went into the studio in January with a list of songs and riffs we wanted to work on, but no real idea of what we could do with them in terms of arrangements or guest musicians because this was the first time JJ and I were recording together with real support and time to develop songs and arrangements beyond our live two-man set up. In the past, we'd always recorded as quickly and as cheaply as possible because we both suffer from Chronic Brokeness. Once we'd finished recording the rhythm sections and figuring out which songs were gong to work and which still needed some development, we started contacting friends and heroes to see if they'd be interested in adding something to our music. It was very flattering that every person we invited…accepted.

Buckwheat Zydeco 

   The KANG of Zydeco! A living legend, Grammy award winner, and one of my personal music heroes since I was 13 when I first heard his music in the movie The Big Easy. Having him on this album is one of the miracles. We caught him at the perfect time; he got home from tour on a Friday, and was leaving to go out on the road again the following Tuesday…but was free that Sunday to record. He and his son Reggie came down from Carencro, LA after lunch on Sunday. We all got to know each other a little bit, and then we played him the three tracks we thought he might be interested in playing on. To my surprise when we played Stop Playin over the monitors, he said "Man! That sounds like Albert Collins!" I jumped up and shook his hand, laughing, and told him I was tipping my hat to Albert Collins because he's my favorite guitar player from Texas, and folks seemed to have forgotten him a little bit. Turned out Buck and Reggie had toured quite a bit with Albert, and had considered him to be family, so Buck decided he'd tip his hat to Mr Collins right along with us. He played understated, subtle accompaniment and when he finished his first take he asked, "Did yall get that?" We said yes, and he replied "Thank you Jesus!" It is an absolute honor to have him on the album…even more so because he played on a song that was in tribute to his close friend.

Rockin Dopsie Jr and Anthony Dopsie

   The Saturday before Buckwheat came down, we had Rockin Dopsie Jr and his brother Anthony Dopsie come in to add some heat to our song Ass On Fire. Anthony came in from Lafayette, and RDJr came in from New Orleans. Ass On Fire is my attempt to capture the energy and happy vibe of the zydeco music I had heard when I lived in Lake Charles, LA back in the 90's. When he first got to the studio, Anthony pulled out his Roland digital accordion, started warming up…but when we played the track for him, he got this excited look on his face and he said, "Oooooooh! Yall are going old school!" So he tok off the Roland and brought out his old school three row button accordion and immediately started tearing the place apart! We got three takes out of him and when he was finished, he was dripping sweat! When you hear the song you'll know why. Just as we were listening to the playback in the control room we heard a holler, "SOMEbody's zydeco'n in here!" We all turned and there was Rockin Dopsie Jr with his vest frottoir. He ran upstairs and laid down two tracks of washboard, and by the time he got back downstairs into the control room with us, it was a damn party yall! It's the highest energy track we've ever recorded, and these two men brought some SERIOUS pepper to what we had cookin! Having them on this album is another miracle.

Chris Parkinson

Back in 2010, I somehow stumbled across an Australian duo called The Yearlings. I was immediately struck by the atmospheric, laid back, subtle guitar played by Chris Parkinson. In 2011 we toured Australia for the first time, and on the only day off we had, I happened to be in Adelaide and was able to scrounge a ride down to McLaren Vale with the lady who was running our sound to go to Red Poles to chill, have lunch, and listen to The Yearlings. Chris and Robyn came over to our table on their break and we all got to know one another, and swap CDs. When we returned to Australia in 2013, I invited Chris to sit in with us at a show in Adelaide, and while he had never heard our song Have Mercy before, he blew me away with his playing. He was always right there in the pocket, adding atmosphere, harmony lines…it was incredible. Once we recorded Have Mercy and got the vocals finished in New Orleans, I sent Chris a studio rough and asked if he'd be willing to play on it. He responded by recording two tracks on two different guitars through two different amps and playing slide on one of those tracks. Those tracks were so damn good we're releasing an instrumental version of Have Mercy, on our vinyl companion to this album entitled Hump Night 55, and having him on this album is one of those miracles I'm very grateful.

Dom Turner

We met Dom at the Wangaratta Jazz and Blues Festival in November 2013, and immediately hit it off. We played before his band The Backsliders on the Friday night of the festival, and we played again with him on Saturday night when he was part of a Muddy Waters Tribute. That Saturday night I asked if he'd be interested in sitting in with us, Jeff Lang, Ian Collard, and Snooks La Vie on an improvised John Lee Hooker inspired slow blues. He said, "Absolutely!" and rocked the place with his 4 pickup Teisco guitar and bottleneck slide. Dom has recorded so much music with so many people in so many different styles that, to me, he's like the Aussie Ry Cooder, so I asked him early on in this project if he'd like to play on a track or two, and as luck would have it…he and his wife Ida were going to be vacationing in New Orleans while we were recording. We actually performed a live streaming show for our Aussie fans from the studio while he was in town and two songs from that show are featured on the vinyl album we are releasing alongside this one, Hump Night 55. On this album his slide is featured on the acoustic tune, Front Porch. Again, a masterful, understated, subtle player and we were very fortunate and grateful to have him on board. Another miracle yall.

Jonathan Backrach

This was the voice on the phone asking if we wanted to come down to New Orleans to record an album…aka: "Monkey", aka: Cash Munkey Records. Without this man's enthusiasm and support there would be no Old Gray Mule. I would have hung up my guitar and strapped on an airplane again and headed back out to fight fires. He housed us, fed us, played bass with us, and made it all happen.

Chris Humphrey

My Mom and one of the chief enablers slash reasons I've stuck with music all these years. It was an absolute thrill to FINALLY record something we'd played together ever since the every Friday night at TC's days years ago. She came to NOLA with me and recorded some didgeridoo as bass on one of the tracks.

Firsts:

- first time I've ever soloed on my own album

- first time we've ever had a Grammy award winner play with us

- first time we've doubled guitars

- first time we've ever had a bass line played by someone other than myself (Monkey on Stop Playin, and Mom on Edge Of My Head)

- first albums to be digitally distributed since 40 Nickels back in 2011

- first time JJ and I have ever sung together

and most importantly...

- first time we've EVER HAD SUPPORT--

DB:: Thanks to CR Humphrey and JJ Wilburn aka Old Gray Mule for their hard work, for taking the time to do this interview with me, and to Cash Munkey Records for having the forsight to support them.



Old Gray Mule live at The Spotted Mallard, Melbourne VIC, Nov 4, 2013 from CR Humphrey on Vimeo.

Old Gray Mule live in Australia from CR Humphrey on Vimeo.





16 July 2014

What Kind Of Shit Is This? BOO BOO DAViS Meets Funky Scientists Blu Acid In A Digital Juke


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Jan Mittendorp and Misha den Haring, the recordists who comprise Blu Acid are reimagining the footsteps of Fat Possum's R.L. Burnside remixes while linking arms with the 1969 release The Howlin' Wolf Album, that mixed Wolf's tough, slanky blues with psych rock (even winking at the album title) to build a sound under Mr. Davis that is at once natural, modern, smart, and sexy.

Blu Acid say that when Boo Boo Davis walked into the studio and first heard what they'd done with his vocals and harp he said, "What kind of shit is this?" hence, the album title. I hope they answered, "Mr. Davis, this is the good shit."

What Kind Of Shit Is This? was recorded separately from Boo Boo Davis, just as the F.P. Burnside remixes were done. But unlike the wide-open, blues society disturbing, let's drag the blues into the future and make that funky shit into art...ness...of the Fat Possum mixes, Blu Acid takes the same junque that makes the Burnside stuff rule, and gives it a tough, raw, and live recording vibe, then a buff and wax polish with Massive Attack-like futurist roots tastefulness.

Purists can clutch at their pearls and pout about wether or not this is blues, or wether it serves the blues, or bastardizes it, even. Me? I don't I don't care. You shouldn't either. Any genre that remains stagnant dies. Music always evolves, always, just as you should. What Blu Acid have done, with the blessing of Boo Boo Davis is to make an excellent collection (actually an album) of kustom, modern, electronic, country blues that will serve to keep the sound alive. What Kind Of Shit Is This?should be bumpin' out of your car all summer and keeping you warm in the winter. Essential.

Note: This is also available on colored vinyl in a gatefold sleeve, at a limited edition of five-hundred copies.






20 February 2014

HOBOKEN DiViSiON!


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Here's a couple kids from Nancy, France, in love with the Velvets, My Bloody Valentine (and maybe some Blood Red Shoes,) The Kills, Dead Weather and dirty,dirty blues. Fronted by a French harp blowing Chrissie Hynde (or Karen O) and a guitarist whose swaggering tone could be confused with a more focused Jack White's, or a heavier Kenny Brown's, all held down by a burly, solid drum machine. 

Tough, sexy, dark, and a little menacing, Marie and Mathieu are Hoboken Division, named for the American port city, birthplace of Mr. Sinatra, and the port that American servicemen, who brought blues and jazz to Europe, departed from. 

Like all good bands they were formed over a beer (in 2011.) Marie has a love for jazz singers and everything Jack White has done, Cat Power, and Joplin (though lucky us she makes no attempt to ape her,) Mathieu digs R.L. Burnside, Junior Kimbrough, but in varying measure Spacemen 3, Seasick Steve, Brian Jonestown Massacre, Fred McDowell, and the Bowie mix of Iggy's Raw Power. All these totems combine to make a fresh blues-infected sound that would rule the roost at White's Third Man Records. Out now is a limited edition 7" featuring the dark original A Night Out b/w their own even darker, heavier, drony, and fuzzed out take on Skip James' Devil Got My Woman. There's also a delicious four song ep available. You need and deserve both. We need to hear a lot more from Hoboken Division.





09 September 2013

Come On In :: An Interview With OLD GRAY MULE's CR HUMPHREY


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I've told y'all about Old Gray Mule a bunch of times over the last few years. With good reason. They are one of the top outfits in the country that is carrying the sound of north Mississippi hill country funky, droney blues into the future. They do it with honor, getting their R.L. Burnside groove on, or that T-Model Ford rollin' tumble...they get up on it and give it a little Texas blues spankin'. Make it step right. 

This is Texas roadhouse / Mississippi juke joint music, but done Today. It's the sound you imagine you might hear down at that barbeque joint next to the guy selling sneakers, boots and sweet Georgia peaches all day out of the back of his Ranger. 

Y'all go sit down on a stained bench, eat a rib or some tamales and get comfortable with Old Gray Mule. Maybe you got an iced down Victoria or an ass pocket of whiskey. Just lean back and listen to the one you love, she's dancing in the dirt under the streetlights. As the midnight train rolls by OGM plays on.

Old Gray Mule is CR Humphrey on the guitar, from Lockhart, Texas located south of Austin and east of San Marco and New Branfels. He's joined by the drummer JJ Wilburn, a Memphis native who got his start playing with the masters of north Mississippi blues. Charlie was nice enough to sit down over a couple mornings and tell me how it's hanging :: 
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Rick Saunders :: Ok CR, I got Pandora playing the Junior Kimbrough station...first song (perfectly enough) : Burn In Hell. Hey Charlie- Come on in!

CR Humphrey :: 
I've got Too Bad Jim in the background here so I'd say we're set!

RS :: 
So How's a kid from Lockhart, Tx aka The Barbeque Capitol of Texas come to play the raw dirty groove based sub-genre of blues from North Mississippi?

CR :: 
Well, I was actually born in Austin...lived in Houston, Georgia, Louisiana, Arizona, Arkansas, Oregon, Kenya for a winter and Malta for a winter...I just ended up in Lockhart. But I got interested in groove based blues fairly early on...the John Lee Hooker scene in Blues Brothers back in the early 80's, plus I had a teacher who showed the Lomax movie Land Where The Blues Began during black history month I guess in 4th, 5th , or 6th grade. I had no idea who any of those people were and didn't rediscover them for a long while. But my first LIVE experience of all that was one of the Juke Joint Caravans at the Rhythm Room in Phoenix...T-Model and Spam, Paul Wine Jones with Cedric Burnside, and Kenny Brown with Cedric...I think it was in 2005. Didn't see any of it live again until 2009 when Cedric and Lightnin' came through Austin and that nailed it DOWN for me.


RS :: You've got a seriously deep knowledge of the funk and what can questionably be called "world music" aka music from the rest of the world. How old were you when you went to Kenya and Malta and how do you think that influenced your musical taste and your playing?

CR :: 
I guess I got lucky...my mom was a music major in college and we had dozens and dozens of instruments laying around the house....from the piano to trombone to bassoon to flutes, concertinas and guitars and everything in between. She was a music lover and no real follower of one style or another and I ended up the same. I realized after high school that there were only two kinds of music: Good and Bad. And the bad music all seemed to involve being constructed for commercial purposes and had therefore been bleached of soul and feeling in pursuit of fame, dollars, or trend. 



My family also traveled a lot when I was younger. We went to mexico 2-3 times a year there for a while, when I flew air freight I was all over the Caribbean and central America from Mex on down to Nicaragua. I heard some DAMN good music in all those places. When we went to Kenya I was 28 or so and I first heard soukous there which is a very positive, happy, repetitive style. Also heard Tanzanian hip hop which back then was called Bongo Flava. Discovered Lebanese hip hop on a trip to Zanzibar during ramadan. Just got lucky with that stuff I guess. I love funk and funk is in everything good.

RS :: Your mom is an actor as well, right? She's had small parts in a few films. It sounds like your folks raised you to be curious and inquisitive.
How old were you when you started to play guitar?

CR :: She's been a few movies...she's in Bernie and has a few scenes with Jack Black and Shirley Maclain, she was in an animated movie called Waking Life as a tango dancer. My folks did leave me to my devices and since we didn't have a TV I had to entertain myself. My oldest friend David O'Hearn (who is on the new album playing bass on Lyrics By J-Dub) showed me how to play the first lick from Purple Haze when we were 12 and that was all she wrote.


RS :: Do you play any other instruments or is the guitar it for you?

CR :: 
I'll play anything with strings, but right now that's guitar and bass. Have a beat up old Slingerland kit and Cedric gave me a couple lessons but I haven't gotten to where I'll play in public...or in front of anyone for that matter.

RS :: 
Speaking of drums, you've had sort of a revolving door when it comes to drummers. How'd you hook up with JJ Wilburn? Isnt this like a long distance relationship you two are having? The drummers you've had before have been great but y'all seem to have a real tight musical connection with him.Tell us about Mr. Wilburn.  


CR :: JJ is the damn BOMB! I met him June of '12 when he came through playing drums with Lightnin' Malcolm. Through a series of circumstances involving big dogs, pretty ladies, and a huge snake...he ended up staying at my house a few days. Well, my kids adopted him and the feeling was mutual and by the time he left he was part of family and I don't mean that as an expression. Anyhow I asked him to play drums on a couple tracks on Like A Apple and they sounded awesome, and it was purely intuitive, he'd never heard them prior to pushing the record button. So when the offer to tour Australia again came up, I asked if he'd be interested in going with me. 

So we hooked up for our first gig the Saturday night of Juke Joint Festival at Shack Up Inn in Clarksdale and with no rehearsal whatsoever we played an hour and a half set opening for Lightnin Malcolm and Stud. We just click. He's my favorite kind of drummer...a church drummer. He's inventive as hell, intuitive as hell, and a fine human being to boot. We keep it loose but tight at the same time I b'lieve. JJ grew up in Memphis playing drums in his dad's church from the age of 8. JJ's great uncle was Isaac Hayes. JJ's mother was Hayes' niece.

RS :: So it's in him. Where does JJ live? Whats his base? Where's he from?


CR :: He was born and raised in Memphis. When I met him he was living in Hickory Flat, MS with one of Junior's granddaughters. They moved to Potts Camp, MS (where Kenny Brown and Robert Kimbrough live) earlier this year when we were playing Juke Joint Festival back in the spring. He's now split from her and lives north side of NOLA in Covington, Louisiana and it's a DAMN good move for him, plus he's only 7 hours away now instead of 14.


RS :: And tell the nice folks who he's played with.

CR :: David Kimbrough, Robert Kimbrough, T Model, Duwayne Burnside, Garry Burnside, Watermelon Slim, Kenny Brown, Ralph Wallace (unknown Holly Springs badass oldtimer player who passed) Lightnin' Malcolm, Robert Belfour, RL Boyce, Sharde Thomas, etc etc etc and Duck Holmes, of course. 

Here's JJ Wilburn w/ DuWayne Burnside and Kenny Brown:: 

RS :: I see. So you prefer to play with amatuers.

CR :: HA! Yeah man, amateur! Shiiiiiit man, I never met a better drummer and person. He can play Burnside beats, he can play Kimbrough beats, but they cant play Wilburn beats...I'm lucky as hell and proud as hell that he plays music with me.


RS :: Magic. That's the beauty of music, that immediate connection, and if you can connect enough to converse...to LiSTEN...you're bound to make something really special.

How'd Old Gray Mule's Australia connection come about? It seems like you've toured there every year for as long as I've been following you.

CR :: That's it man, and he can TALK with those drums! He's the most dynamic player I've played with and that's not knockin' Cedric or Kinney who are masters at what they do, but I believe JJ is the master of what HE does. 

The first three albums were released through a not-for-profit indie label based in Adelaide and we were brought down in 2011 to play the Backwater Blues Festival and were hooked up with a tour by Chris Russell of Chris Russell's Chicken Walk. If it weren't for him we wouldn't have had near as much exposure down there. We're headed back under this time for the Wangaratta Jazz and Blues Festival followed by a month long tour with Chris again!


RS :: That label is Stobie Sound? How did you happen to connect with them? And isnt not-for-profit indie label an oxymoron? Any plan to record with Chris Russell? Y'all sound wicked together.

CR :: Nah a not-for-profit indie label is truth in advertising! And yep that was Stobie Sounds. It's weird man, somehow Stobie, CW Ayon, Mississippi Gabe Carter and I all stumbled on each other at the same time through the damn'd interwebs when Stobie was making a tribute album to Big Joe Williams. Coop and Gabe were both on it and I wasn't . As for recording with Chris, it's an inevitability, but I have no idea when. Our tour schedule in Oz this November is looking very very busy. We're hitting all states but Northern Territory and Queensland this time, even heading down to Tasmania so I doubt we'll have the time to hit the studio unless it's one of those miracles....which seem to happen fairly regularly. Fingers crossed man.

RS :: How's playing Australia compared to Austin, or The Shack-Up Inn? Do you find that people are people or...? 


CR :: Oh there is NO comparison man! The Aussies are awesome. They show up early, pack the place out, go nuts, buy merch, and enjoy themselves! It's like America pre internet when folks still went out and had fun. Shack Up is like that too, especially during JJF.


RS :: Tell us about your set up. Do you use a few different guitars set up/tuned differently or are you a one guitar guy? What about amps? Do you use pedals? How long did it take you to arrive at the sound you were looking for?

CR :: I use two guitars. One is tuned standard but dropped a whole step to D, and one 5 string tuned to Open F. You'd have to pry both of them from my cold dead hands too man, I'm never letting go of either! One of 'em is a Frankencaster I put together out of parts and the other is my yellow Squier. I love cheap guitars because they're hard for crackheads to pawn! As for amps, in the States I play a late 70's Bassman Ten which is a violently clean amp and I have to use pedals with it to get it to drive. Down Under I have a 64 Bassman head that's been stuffed into a Fender Princeton cabinet so it's a single twelve combo. 

As for pedals, I have my overdrive, a univibe and an octave pedal to get the low end. And it took FOREVER to find my sound, but I've got it now, I'm happy with it and feel like it is adaptable to a variety of styles. Malcolm and I have been trading sound ideas back and forth for awhile and I have some stuff he suggested and he has some stuff I suggested...pretty cool to have a peer to share guitar secrets with.


RS :: You've worked with Lightnin' Malcolm, Cedric Burnside, the sons of Junior Kimbrough. How did you get together with them? And will you be doing another Junior Kimbrough birthday party this year?

CR :: Lightnin' and Cedric I met by going to every show they played in Austin. I met David Kimbrough when we brought him, and his brother Kinney down to play TC's in Austin with us at our first album launch...still our best Austin show too. We did two Junior Kimbrough birthday parties but when TC's shut down, the vibe just wasn't there in Austin anymore so we quit after two. Wish we could throw em every year, but haven't found a place in Austin that feels right. Plus David lives in AR now, and Kinney is in MS so logistically it's difficult as well.

RS :: Kinney played drums on one of your last albums, too. How do you approach a new album? Do you record songs all in one go, or when you feel you've got something ready? Also, you had some drama occur while finishing the new album, No Sleep 'til Memphis. What happened?

CR :: Kinney played on the second album "40 Nickels For A Bag Of Chips". No two recording projects have been the same so far in terms of planning or execution. Since I haven't had a drummer who was permanent (until JJ Wilburn) it was largely dependent on who was available and how broke I was. The album w/ Kinney was recorded in less than 2 hours, Like A Apple was recorded over the course of about 5 months whenever folks were coming through town. 

This last one No Sleep was recorded in the middle room at my house so we wouldn't feel rushed, but we got rushed anyway And yeah there was some drama during post production which has NEVER happened before basically involving the complete mental meltdown of the guy who was mixing it. Ultimately my oldest friend and his brother were able to salvage some rough mixes from the session, and I combined them with two tracks we recorded in Leland, MS with Jimmy Duck Holmes and an unreleased track from Like A Apple in order to have enough to release for this upcoming Oz tour.

RS :: What was it like recording with Mr. Holmes? How did you arrange it so far as meeting him and getting him to play with y'all? The track Howlin' that you did with him is such a standout on an album of standouts. It's one of my favorite tracks that he's done as well.

CR :: Yeah man, that's one of those miracles I was talking about that seem to keep happenin'. I met Duck when he came to Austin for SXSW in 2011. Coop and I were his roadies and he offered us a chance to play at The Blue Front. So we played with him there in Bentonia, MS the Friday night of Juke Joint Festival, and our paths crossed a few more times in between. JJ and I had a three night run at Shack Up with Lightnin' and Stud this past June and I asked Duck if he'd be interested in recording a couple tracks with us and he suggested we meet up at Studio 61 in Leland

It's another of those things where folks just click. We recorded 3 tracks, all of 'em improvised, with Howlin' being phenomenal. It was very hard to listen to that song the next day and realize it had been recorded the day before, it sounds so ancient. Duck came down to Austin to play Antone's with us for the CD launch party and damn if we didn't end up being his band for the night. Improvised our way through a two hour set and it looks like we'll be doing more of that after we get home from Australia in Dec.

RS :: It does sound ancient...yet modern at the same time. Timeless. IT's like T-Model said, "Like a apple on a tree, hangin'."

So let's talk influences. Have you always played strictly "blues" (whatever that is) or did you start out on the rock? You don't seem to be a strict blues purist by any means, and that shows on the new album with tracks like the groovy blues atmospherics of Rose Laccoon, and the raps on My Lyin' Ass.

CR :: Naw, not at all. I've played everything except modern country at one point or another. Not necessarily played it all live, but EVERYTHING has been played at my house. But real down home old school blues and black power era funk always seem to end up in whatever I'm playing. Gotta say though in the interest of full disclosure I am a "strict blues nazi purist" when it comes to MY definition of what blues is, and what hill country blues is more specifically, but usually just keep that to myself (and edge out the back of the club when what's going on up there doesn't match up).

So for my style of music in Old Gray Mule you have the usual suspects of RL, Jr, Wine Jones, T-Model and Spam era T-Model, plus some Tinariwen style west African drone, P-Funk, Bootsy, old school hand clap foot stomp gospel, and the guys who broke me into the whole genre Cedric Burnside and Lightnin Malcolm.

RS :: 
What is your definition of what the blues is?

CR :: Here's one of my favorite Kinney Kimbrough quotes:

"Everybody talking about this kind of blues that kind of blues or some other kind. Ain't but one kind. And either you feel it or you don't, either you can play it, or you can't."


So to me blues is timing, dynamics, and subtlety. If you can play with those three things, you can communicate what you are feeling. If you can communicate what you are feeling, then you are including everybody in the music and at that point the folks listening become participants not spectators. If you get them to move, if they are seeing things in their mind's eye, if you change their feelings from bad to good then you can play it. When I'm around folks who can play that way, it's a damn religious experience. If the music is just a vehicle for them to show out, I'm out.

RS :: And I'll be right behind you, Charlie. Like Rev. Thomas Dorsey said , " The blues ain't nothin' but a good woman feelin' bad. You got a good woman, and she feelin' good, get her to feelin' good. Say Amen somebody." Feelin'. Not playing show and tell. 
It's about that feeling, that vibe, not necessarily a strict 1-4-5 pattern with repeated lines...the usual, often boring stuff people think of when they think of blues. You're anti-Blues Hammer weedlyweedly souless bluez wankery. That's my biggest gripe, too.

CR :: Blues IS feeling. It's like anything else, as soon as you confine it within a structure it stops living. It's like seeing a lion at the zoo, and a lion out in the wild. The zoo lion is predictable and safer, without those bars you feel danger. You FEEL. 


There's always a place for swagger and showing off in blues, but from where I sit that cannot be the main focus. One of the things that attracted me to this style other than the absolute funkiness of it is that to me it comes across as very unselfish. It's about dancing and sweating out the bad shit.

RS :: 
Exactly. Blues is freedom. You listen to a groove like John Lee Hooker's Homework. It's not a strict blues by any means. But I'd imagine you could play that anywhere in the world and folks would get down. They couldn't help themselves. It's in 'em, and its got to come out.

CR :: 
Yep. Exactly. Just like jazz used to be.

RS :: 
 Could you talk about the cover art for the new album- your nod to the late, great T-Model Ford. Tell me about that and your thoughts on Mr. Ford.

CR :: The album cover is a straight up tip of the hat to T Model and Spam. In my opinion they were the most powerful blues duo ever. I was lucky enough to play with T a few times, matter of fact the first gig I ever played in Mississippi was at Club 2000 in Clarksdale opening for T. Been to his house, drove him around, sold his merch for him...stuff like that. Can't say we were close friends, but I loved him very much. We dedicated the last album to him, and when we saw him last April at the Juke Joint Festival, you could tell he wasn't gonna be around much longer...so one last tip of the hat. And T passed during the post-production of this album. 


RS :: So, i'd like to finish up with a quick track by track run down of the new album...maybe you can tell us a little something about each song?

CR :: Song by song eh?

Funkyard Dog/Stay With Me

Funkyard Dog is just a lil' instrumental jam, kinda Memphis-y, threw a little Born Under A Bad Sign bassline in there at the end. Then there's a churchy interlude, and we go into Stay With Me. Stay With me is my version of a gospel song called Walk With Me. I heard a lady named Lorraine Madden sing it acapella one time, and it stuck in my head something FIERCE. Believe I sent you that vid a long while back. Anyhow, Meredith Kimbrough sings it, and it's beautiful.

Back In The Day

This is my T Model tribute song. We were lucky enough to debut it in front of him back in 2011 at a gig in New Mexico, and he seemed to enjoy it. He was rockin' out playing air guitar on his cane and just beaming for the whole song. My buddy CW Ayon is singing on this one

Molly Dell

This is RL Burnside's tune Alice Mae reworked to be about my wife. And it's my first time singing on my own album so y'all be nice!

Do Like Henry Ford -
We recorded a few tracks in Leland, MS with Bentonia, MS blues legend Jimmy Duck Holmes. He's got a juke style like nobody else and a voice I wish I could emulate. I've played with him a few times, and seen him live a bunch as well and what struck me about this session and the gig at Antone's where JJ and I were his band for the night....that unlike his one man gigs, when he plays with us the sunglasses come off, he closes his eyes, tilts back his head and sings his heart out. It's amazing. He is in my opinion the greatest living bluesman and I'm proud as hell to have recorded with him

Cryin And Crawlin

My take on an RL Boyce style groove with some light hearted lyrics thrown in like he might have done. RL is another under appreciated talent, and I wish his albums would come out!

Howlin

To my ear the absolute standout on the whole album. Completely improvised, first and only take. Duck is incredible on this song

My Lyin Ass

Our version of Lightnin Malcolm's badass tune. We extended it, added a rhythm break, bass, and two rap sections Manateemann on the first and dR.K@0s on the second. Groovin tune

Lyrics By J-Dub (NBY)

This was absolutely spontaneous. We didn't even know the mics were on, so this is just JJ, my oldest friend David O'Hearn and I jammin' out. JJ is riffing lyrics about a phone call he got from his girl the night before...couldn't hear himself because he wasn't wearing headphones...we couldn't hear him over the drums. It was just a fun jam. Cedric Burnside and his crew were sitting in the front room watching us play while we were all waiting to go to the gig at Antone's that night. Kind of a miracle tune. It's about 4-5 Junior Kimbrough songs rolled into one

Rose Laccoon

This was a song I wrote in Adelaide Australia one morning, after some good friend had to go home. We were staying in a mansion that had been built in the 1800's and we'd played a show there a few nights previous but the stage, sound and lights were all still set up so when we'd finish a gig, a bunch of folks would come back to the mansion with us and hang out all night long. We'd play music, drink beer and just chill. The first night I played this at the mansion it was about 4 and it's so calm a song that this girl named Rose Laccoon curled up by my feet and went to sleep with the biggest smile on her face. So the song got named for her. Lightnin Malcolm is on drums for this one and it was recorded during the sessions for Like A Apple On A Tree, but was unreleased. One of my favorite night songs to play.

RS :: 
Thanks for taking the time to do this, Charlie. I really appreciate it! Anything else you'd like to say to the good folks who might read this?

CR :: 
Good Lord, Rick...thanks for the interest! And backatcha. As for a parting shot I'd like to say I'm the luckiest man I know, and I deeply appreciate everybody who's bought a record and come to a show. Wish we toured more and got to meet more of y'all!

RS :: 
Thanks, man. Anything JJ wants to throw in here?

CR :: 
Man he's still asleep! Don't want to speak for him but I've heard him say more than once how grateful he is for the love we get at shows and after shows. It's a very positive vibe out there y'all and we both appreciate it!

OLD GRAY MULE will be touring the hell out of Australia and its surrounds
starting at Wangaratta Jazz and Blues fest Nov 1-3 and going non-stop til Nov 28, 2013. You can find the tour schedule HERE.

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